True Patriot Love - Inside Canada’s Secret Post-Politics Money Pipeline

00:00:00.000 okay so there are better jobs than even being in federal politics i think yes it's post politics

00:00:11.400 in the canadian government where you get the great jobs and make the big money yeah i think

00:00:15.680 you're right uh just this morning reading in several uh newspapers and i see you've got it

00:00:20.680 up there uh there's been a bunch of shifting of positions and some new announcements uh under the

00:00:27.640 carny regime so we should give credit where credit is due brian lily of the toronto sun had a first

00:00:33.920 at all the rumors are basically melanie jolie will be leaving politics to become canada's ambassador

00:00:40.340 to paris france yeah pretty good job oh i'd say it is absolutely i mean it's probably the cushiest job

00:00:47.860 politically diplomatically a canadian can have maybe i'm wrong so no christia freeland takes it 1.00

00:00:53.200 to the next level she's still the mp for rosedale in downtown toronto she's already been appointed 0.99

00:00:59.220 the special envoy for the reconstruction of ukraine and then she's been named the new ceo of the roads

00:01:06.960 trust that hands out the road scholars to academics around the world every year the one thing i've

00:01:11.980 always said about christia freeland is she's a multitasker uh and the best part is she she's 0.98

00:01:17.120 staying on as an mp till at least july 1st of 2026 is she still getting her mp pay oh that's what i was

00:01:23.480 going to ask you it sounds like three paychecks going yes yes wow so this is the thing and yeah

00:01:28.980 brian lily thank you for giving us a topic to talk about today because it led us down the rabbit hole of

00:01:34.920 okay politics is pretty cool but is it even about that are you just going are you just putting your

00:01:40.840 four or eight years in or you know maybe no oh no mike no no no no no that is the appetizer to the

00:01:48.460 main course it seems like it might be right it's the job post-politics that is the entree so really it

00:01:55.220 just puts our politicians in a position to be networking for future endeavors uh and we everybody points

00:02:01.040 at mark carney you you you're brookfield and and you're making all these deals for yourself

00:02:05.480 kids stuff it's nothing wait till you hear this okay so let's go through some of the jobs okay and

00:02:12.720 then you stop me if you think i've made any mistakes um i have to credit lack of show prep on this one if

00:02:19.040 i've got any details wrong please forgive me it looks like uh an ambassador which this to me jim is

00:02:25.380 like this is one of the jobs you can have out there and it's it's on the books we all know it's paid and

00:02:31.300 stuff like this as we go through the list of some of the post-political jobs they're they're a little

00:02:37.280 less it's a little murkier well and think of some of the countries you're the ambassador to france

00:02:42.600 maybe to costa rica maybe they're ambassador i'm the ambassador to australia oh that's pretty cool

00:02:51.280 beautiful country great weather yeah good relations with canadians and australians not a physically

00:02:57.600 tasking job well let's let's look at the job it pays about 180 to 250 a year and i believe that

00:03:03.440 it's closer to 250 cash in the bank oh yeah but that's just the start okay then you get a government

00:03:08.380 pension that continues on if you're already getting it your pension continues no and no uh no effect on

00:03:13.380 that you get an international housing allowance and this the most part dwarfs what you get paid a year

00:03:19.540 by and large because to stay at the most prestigious hotel in paris for example which i think is the

00:03:26.300 posting of our ambassador yes it's got to be in the neighborhood of ten thousand dollars a day i'm

00:03:31.840 just guessing uh i believe no it probably is a monthly thing uh probably realistically the building

00:03:38.700 10 to 12 grand canadian a month i think it's got to be more than that have you rented a hotel in paris

00:03:45.140 before yeah i have it's got to be crazy expensive jim and i i don't think it's like just a hotel room so

00:03:50.620 max 25 grand a month okay 25 grand a month is pretty significant that's more than the salary

00:03:56.220 then you get a staff a driver and then you get a cook and we'll get to that in a second you even

00:04:02.960 get security okay you get travel perks diplomatic community yes how badly can you be a behave on a

00:04:10.460 quarter million dollars a year if she goes to a nightclub yeah not saying she would she she might 1.00

00:04:16.140 it gets out of hand it pushes someone and the the gendarmes show up the french police oh no no it's

00:04:23.420 like the scene for lethal weapon diplomatic immunity take me back to my beautiful hotel in the oh sorry

00:04:29.980 sorry madame julie sorry here you go i think that i read in the uh brian lily article there that the

00:04:37.260 uh accommodations are right down the street from the uh royal palace in uh in paris we were on a bit of

00:04:44.940 a family tour it's it's a spectacular building in the nicest part of downtown paris uh have you got

00:04:51.180 kids well you can bring them with you there's an allowance for them there's a clothing and school

00:04:55.500 allowance for them to be in a secure private school not only that but let's just say that you're in

00:05:02.620 paris and you don't like the food let's just say you don't like the food in that case jim explain to

00:05:11.980 us what happens for these people they they need to get the comforts of home after all don't they

00:05:16.380 so my father was god rest his soul was in the royal canadian air force he was ground crew

00:05:21.820 in three or four times a year out of cfb trenton they have what they call supply flights and they

00:05:29.100 fly to the canadian embassies and consulates around the world with pre-packaged pallets of supplies

00:05:35.740 requested so you are the ambassador to australia and you say i'd really like smarties swish la and

00:05:44.140 other canadian delicacies that you can't get in australia everything else and other needed supplies

00:05:49.260 for the consulate and the embassy then the ambassador are loaded up in a pallet and flown by

00:05:54.620 the canadian air force as they hop around the world to the different embassies and they deliver it to

00:05:59.660 the embassy i can see somebody on the chance de lise yeah serving our ambassador i got tidbits

00:06:08.700 uh here is your chalet sauce

00:06:13.660 so that's yeah it sounds like the best job on earth actually uh sorry i just want to interrupt

00:06:19.500 for a second now um i think about our great late great ambassador ken taylor right who smuggled americans

00:06:26.780 out of iran in the height of the revolution and saved their lives he was an actual hero absolutely

00:06:32.620 yeah you don't have to worry about that when you're in the ambassador of france living in paris

00:06:36.540 you're not smuggling you're not risking your life every day no in fact you're probably just

00:06:40.620 sticking your head out the door on some saturday mornings and demanding more crepes more crepes

00:06:45.340 wait a sec do i have the fish proven cell today it's it's a really big i can see this life

00:06:51.180 being amazing okay so who gets this job former cabinet ministers yes uh senior mps and really

00:06:58.380 people who were uh covering the ass of the pm that's that in in all seriousness so the the government 0.62

00:07:07.180 the pmo office the prime minister they are thanking someone who went above and beyond to help them stay 0.75

00:07:15.340 in power be in power and do the work for the government because sometimes certain cabinet

00:07:21.180 ministers and mps really do a lot of extra work and this is their thank you here you go now you're

00:07:27.420 the ambassador to costa rica enjoy the next 10 years well the other thing that you get with this travel

00:07:32.780 perk is that you do have to travel to other embassies around the world on behalf of your embassy wherever

00:07:37.340 you are it does sound like a really great way to eat and see the world so i recommend my coach no i

00:07:45.180 don't believe you are actually jim i think that they put the ambassadors and high commissioners uh

00:07:49.580 closer to the front i i will also uh recommend this as a job so i'll put this in a pile of jobs i think

00:07:55.820 and also i should point this out bob ray just announced his retirement from one of these key

00:08:01.500 postings yes he just wrapped up and actually bob ray did a phenomenal job representing the country

00:08:06.300 as a canada's ambassador to the u.n yeah he just recently wrapped it up you could think what you

00:08:12.540 want about bob ray his politics and that his tenure as our ambassador to the u.n was exemplary he was

00:08:20.620 represented the nation with pride and it's an unfilled position so now all eyes are on what member of

00:08:27.020 the carny government will be given this post as if they decide to leave government i think i might apply

00:08:32.220 yeah uh okay what's the human ambassador for canada it's another one two phrases we'll never hear again

00:08:39.820 um here's another position that i think is a really lofty one but also kind of on the books once again

00:08:46.460 as we go deeper here we're gonna we're gonna realize a lot of these are really high-paying cheeky

00:08:53.180 positions financially lucrative senate appointment okay so this is technically another political

00:08:59.100 appointment but treated as a retirement job generally speaking you only have to meet a few

00:09:02.940 times a year right and it's 164 000 a year to do it you get full federal benefits federal pension uh

00:09:09.580 accrual for the time that you're there paid travel you get a staff driver security and uh you know

00:09:16.940 basically who gets it party fundraisers uh former ministers and high-profile mps this is if you don't

00:09:24.700 get an ambassador job and the pm didn't like you that much you might end up you know that might be

00:09:30.620 a job you could get as a high-profile canadian yeah i'd probably see you more likely as a senator

00:09:36.780 and then an ambassador okay well you know what jim let's uh i'll look that in a different pile over

00:09:41.100 here maybe indeed's got a listing a link or something on linkedin i'll take a look yeah

00:09:44.860 jim what i just found out indeed there's a set of appointments bro you have to apply uh crown

00:09:54.460 corporation a board member or chair is another job now that is the now next to me next ambassador that

00:10:01.020 is the sweetheart job well it's part-time yeah often one meeting per year for 55 grand the chairs

00:10:06.860 make between 100 and 180 000 a year some rolls add a per diem of uh 850 a day that's their per diem

00:10:17.100 yeah we have to eat jim what do you want to do you want to go with that lunch uh benefits travel

00:10:23.580 of course you've got tons of influence in energy finance transportation art and telecom if you are in

00:10:29.900 one of these all positions because that's really where we are and who gets this okay hold on to your

00:10:36.220 hat are you ready around corporation ministers could be a former prime minister how about this

00:10:42.940 former cbc board members yeah i've heard of that hmm uh so you could end up appointed to via rail

00:10:49.580 canada post cmhc which i don't even know if i'd want to be involved in that and the export development

00:10:56.140 corporation of canada these are some of the crown corps that you could sit on and by the way you can

00:11:01.420 sit on several and now mike i take umbrage with your cynicism toward that job they have to meet

00:11:06.620 once a year that is true my apologies but they'll get that they'll get 850 dollars i think for a

00:11:12.060 couple of days around that to make the uh make the pain go away now meanwhile i have friends in media

00:11:16.780 who sometimes travel on 40 and 50 a day per diem nick what's our per diem i can't remember i think

00:11:22.220 it's like 50 80. this is 0.0 it's got the big goose egg up sorry about that producer nick is hungry

00:11:34.540 you know what he could do a costco with 850 dollars never mind per diem nick carpe diem okay

00:11:42.220 uh okay uh this is where it starts to get mucky in my mind and your influence in government starts to

00:11:48.940 really pay off and this is not so much on the books although many of these are public companies

00:11:54.540 uh corporate board of directors in the private sector once again often zero meetings to one meeting

00:12:00.940 per year maybe quarterly between 75 and 250 000 per per board but think about why they do that mike so

00:12:11.420 you're mike wickson yeah a three-term mp in mississauga yeah just for for sake of argument

00:12:19.660 you were a cabinet minister in transportation so now a logistics shipping company board of directors

00:12:27.820 a big one puts you on their board of directors you're worth your weight in gold because you have

00:12:33.660 influence and ties in insight to how the government and regulation works that can really help the company

00:12:39.420 and let's be honest one cabinet minister takes a call from the last cabinet minister by the way if

00:12:46.380 i'm a cabinet minister don't if and you're a former cabinet minister in my position don't call me i'm

00:12:50.700 not taking your call but nobody mind your own business but so i'm i'm the ceo of the company i put

00:12:56.300 you on the board yeah because i know that hey could you reach out to members of the current sitting

00:13:01.900 government and ask them this question we would like to know before we go ahead with this or we want in on

00:13:08.460 this bid we want in on this infrastructure plan before we spend our money on this do we have a

00:13:13.580 chance it is a point of uh credibility you get travel prestige access many former ministers

00:13:19.020 sit on multiple boards oh yeah so you could be making two or three million dollars a year just

00:13:23.020 sitting easy some exceed a half million dollars a year from combined roles anybody with economic

00:13:28.540 finance energy or foreign affairs files which doesn't mean you're an expert in those areas

00:13:33.500 because many mps are drinking from a fire hose it's interesting um i had the benefit of speaking

00:13:40.220 with deb schulte recently brilliant politician fantastic and and uh you know a leading canadian

00:13:46.140 politician in my mind but she described the minister's position as drinking from a fire hose

00:13:52.540 constantly day and night because industries are massive and the knowledge base of these people

00:13:57.580 people is almost marginal by comparison but in the technology so she has a background in health

00:14:05.260 care right the technology and health care is changing daily whether it's a i computers energy

00:14:12.540 there isn't a a facet in our society now which isn't growing in leaps and bounds all the time and

00:14:18.300 there's constantly trying to keep up yeah and of course if you're the energy minister likely

00:14:23.180 you're not a a nuclear physicist like no you're a lawyer from a riding and you got appointed this

00:14:30.300 or yeah so now you're brought into this realm and you're given this connectivity that's kind of um

00:14:37.740 you know above and beyond what corporations normally can get the other thing that it gives these

00:14:41.740 corporations is it gives their shareholders a sense of security that that company is in credibility

00:14:49.500 and credibility yeah there's i mean let's face it there's not a mistake that they have a certain

00:14:54.540 people pointed on that board and on the website so you click on who are the board of directors and you

00:15:00.060 see not just the faces that looks familiar and their cv associated with it it adds a real sense of

00:15:06.700 you know gravitas they say to the company if you look at this one posting right here right this

00:15:12.860 board of directors member and you've been eight years as an mp right so now you have

00:15:19.500 amassed over you know almost two million dollars in pay with a full pension index pension and now

00:15:27.180 you're looking at a half million dollars a year combining roles on board and lots of good quality

00:15:31.660 cottage time till exactly so your retirement is set you're not bored you're making a great

00:15:36.380 chunk of change you're keeping your influence so the next step out of politics at the federal level

00:15:42.060 so far is a pretty nice water slide to a warm pool uh lobbyist government relations consultant that's

00:15:50.780 another one can pay even more 180 to 280 000 if you're a big firm rain maker you can be making up

00:15:58.460 to a million dollars and it's retainer based now i know media doesn't pay what it used to in this

00:16:03.740 country but i know thomas mulcair used to run the ndp federally yeah is doing quite good work on ctv

00:16:10.460 and you'll see ex-politicians who are on election day or when there's a leadership review and whether

00:16:17.980 they're former cabinet ministers former mps sitting in representing different parties on the different

00:16:23.580 channels and i like their insight because they have insight to each party their how they go about

00:16:29.660 things is quite different how they make decisions their mindset and instead of just i'm up here

00:16:35.900 thinking they're actually giving you the inside information and that's a good side hustle for them

00:16:40.540 after politics i would agree as well um media placement lobbyist uh a guest speaker all of those oh guest

00:16:47.020 speaker uh oh without question i mean in the corporate business world uh to have someone who used to be

00:16:53.900 a cabinet minister say the federal minister of energy speaking at an oil and gas or a mining convention

00:17:01.980 is big deal uh some of the examples that they put out here as um consulting jobs that you might end up

00:17:08.700 with or a lobbyist job yes are you know the the top six helen nolton earns clip uh strategy rubicon and 1.00

00:17:16.220 sussex strategy so big big names big names in canada mps across the board tend to get positions

00:17:23.740 with these uh companies um and really it's just a matter of knowing the bureaucrats that do the

00:17:29.740 business for those industries and i i'm not going to say his name but i know an mp who did a one term

00:17:37.180 and decided no it wasn't for me for family reasons went back into his job before he was an mp but there

00:17:44.860 there is a sacrifice a lot of canadians don't realize you're expected to be in the house certain

00:17:49.900 times and then he's going back home and he's traveling and he's got a family and they can't

00:17:54.620 be there all the time because they're in a certain age in school where they so there is a bit of a

00:18:00.060 sacrifice and for a lot of them they're like hey i put the time in as a member of parliament doing what

00:18:05.180 i was asked of by the government and now i'm going to the next phase of my life now there's a lot of

00:18:10.300 people out here listening and watching right now as canadians struggling struggling as we get towards

00:18:15.420 the holidays this makes me scream actually in my mind i know and but unfortunately that is the

00:18:21.020 world the way it works and we see it in american politics where people post online look at the

00:18:25.980 personal wealth of so-and-so yeah well unfortunately when you're in that level of politics you have

00:18:31.420 access to different jobs different positions different boards you can't just be a regular person

00:18:39.020 okay they're not going to gus the carpenter to sit under the board of directors

00:18:43.420 for esso well okay so now here here's another point that of course comes up mainly with u.s news

00:18:50.460 in the last couple of weeks okay the thing about putting laws in place now that stop you from using

00:18:55.740 knowledge to you know make stock trades some of them are making massive trades and making huge profits

00:19:02.940 so that's wrong i believe it's wrong absolutely it's wrong at what point do we draw the line here on

00:19:10.380 on this in your mind i mean there's no laws and there's no way to get around this

00:19:14.060 and yes you're right many of these people deserve these jobs some don't some do let's be honest but

00:19:19.580 if you're peddling influence only that seems a little wrong to me i you know i'm not sure how you

00:19:26.700 legislate that mike i'll be honest with you no because business and life and everything is relationships

00:19:33.020 and who you know so no matter what your business is you've worked at it 10 15 20 years you've developed

00:19:40.060 a network of people that you know so then you get hired to do things oh hey mike i heard you not

00:19:46.860 doing this anymore we would like you to do this part-time and we'll pay you that that happens in

00:19:52.300 every walk of life in the country no doubt about it and i do think it is part of the grease that

00:19:57.260 makes the wheels turn i just wondered to what like you say there's no way to legislate i'm you

00:20:01.900 know then there's other honest ways uh of making it with not that these aren't honest ways but there's

00:20:06.780 very like you say uh more public yes postings that happen like get a book deal a book deal so

00:20:14.940 speaking i've done some writing and done some ghost writing a lot of them

00:20:19.100 say you're they say 10 years or judy wilson raybold wrote a book that was very well read it's an

00:20:24.860 incredible book by the way and and insight so sometimes they'll say hey i got a book to write

00:20:29.820 the publishers will rush at them hey we want your story yeah and then they'll hire a ghost writer

00:20:34.700 to help them assemble everything so they can get it to published as fast as possible so people write

00:20:39.740 it and i think there is now that you're a former mp former cabinet minister a published author then

00:20:46.220 that just helps you post politics because you're also going to be part of the podcast and media world

00:20:51.340 i think that uh top tier and former mps are getting like 250 000 a speech i think you get

00:20:56.700 up to maybe a couple hundred grand advance on a book in canada that is big big money no so but

00:21:03.580 someone like jody to 80 grand maybe someone like jody wilson raybold for what who she was in her story 0.99

00:21:09.180 would have easily got six figures for her book because of in her stature if justin trudeau ever 0.88

00:21:15.100 decides to write a book it would probably be 250 000 uh under trudeau i thought this was interesting

00:21:21.180 under trudeau uh bill morneau became uh he was a former finance minister yeah uh he ended up on

00:21:26.380 the board of directors at cibc one of canada's biggest banks of course and uh he holds other

00:21:32.060 high value corporate advisory roles he's well into the six-figure range uh already and he's barely at

00:21:39.100 politics but let's forget uh not forget bill morneau prior to politics was a seasoned established

00:21:46.940 the financier professional in the country true with deep knowledge and deep contacts in bay street

00:21:53.580 in the financial world in vancouver montreal across the country and then he gets the politics then he

00:21:58.300 becomes a finance minister so takes it to the next level he's what we would refer to as a rainmaker

00:22:03.340 actually exactly so for cibc to bring him on board that to them that makes a lot of sense uh and then

00:22:10.300 the other one christian freeland you uh you mentioned yeah yeah she's uh hosting several

00:22:14.460 positions um she they don't pub and this is the other thing i thought was a little weird her exact

00:22:20.940 salary at the moment is unclear because she's in so many positions so it's it's significant i think you

00:22:27.740 don't have to put a number but put significant between her mp salary her money that she's making 1.00

00:22:33.420 as a special envoy to the reconstruction of ukraine and with the the ceo of the roads commission to handle

00:22:39.820 road scholar i i think each one would be six figures easy you would imagine right right now

00:22:46.140 those all sound like pretty heavy hitting jobs too big time no i don't know that i'd want to

00:22:49.740 be the envoy to the rebuilding of ukraine well it seems like a tough gig it's a it's not an easy gig

00:22:55.580 but the fact that this is where i've been quite critical of all the money we have given ukraine

00:23:01.260 over and over again but in the current economic climate with her influence there if it means that

00:23:07.500 canadian companies and canadian engineers and surveyors and canadian jobs and canadian

00:23:12.780 corporations can make some money on the reconstruction of ukraine maybe we can make

00:23:17.020 some of that money back as a as a nation as a government you would hope that that's built into

00:23:20.620 the deal you'd hope that's baked into the cake whether it's you know infrastructure roads sewer buildings

00:23:28.140 i mean after all the time and effort and money the government gave to zielinski and ukraine during

00:23:32.780 the war if peace is actually coming together and she's there the special envoy for reconstruction

00:23:39.340 it would be a big disappointment as a canadian if we don't get a lot of those contracts i would assume

00:23:44.060 yeah we will and and of course we've missed it on other ones where we've put big money into scenarios but

00:23:50.140 this one has been genuinely documented well enough and refuted well enough that something should uh

00:23:57.980 should come out of it in the way of rebuild contracts you know that's not part of our budget

00:24:03.660 however no putting the money out was recouping it through uh through compensation for rebuild

00:24:09.900 not necessarily there now let me ask you jim of all the cushy jobs you just have been told by the pm

00:24:17.180 you're not going to be a cabinet minister anymore listen lang i don't know what you were doing for

00:24:21.500 trudeau before but you guys yeah i don't kind of party you were out of here but you got to go and i want

00:24:26.460 to be respectful so what do you want you want to be an ambassador what do you want what do you need

00:24:30.620 there uh lang i like the crown corporation gig because you you only have to work a few days a year

00:24:37.340 and you're gonna get money and you're what what did you say 850 a day per jam you want that 850 a day

00:24:44.140 jim i've seen you eat lunch you are not at 850 a day lunch guy i'm thinking costco they've got like

00:24:50.780 the good big uh um what do you call it the potato scallop potatoes oh i see what you're saying you're

00:24:56.620 going to stock up for the month again i got kids coming home for the holidays it's going to be

00:25:00.780 great i'll be honest with you jim by the time you've got this job going to costco is probably not your

00:25:05.100 number one concern although i know you probably still would be i think you probably still would

00:25:09.900 no but no in all seriousness it is a transition in any walk of life and i don't care what your job is

00:25:16.860 and you know some are they actually go back to being they go back to medicine they go back to

00:25:22.380 law they go back to their previous profession whatever it is some don't some go on these board

00:25:27.500 of directors um it's it's not always fair to me to think that they made that much money had that much

00:25:34.700 influence and now they get this job you're like you got to be kidding i'm struggling to pay the bills

00:25:38.700 but like you say there's no legislation you could put against it no it would probably push up against

00:25:44.860 uh moving our economy forward it's been like this in the country for hundreds of years

00:25:50.540 i think it has yeah all right well listen when i uh what about you what are you going to take i'm

00:25:55.900 going to need a reference for you to apply for a senate appointment you see i think senator wickson's

00:26:00.380 got a nice ring to it oh i love that i did want to be admiral wickson but i'll take senator

00:26:06.060 uh yeah these are all uh good jobs that's uh that is for sure and the influence that comes with them

00:26:12.220 in many cases it lasts a lifetime so now real quick here's the other big story the sidebar to

00:26:17.100 that so if melanie jolie is going to become the ambassador to france live in paris by election 0.65

00:26:22.940 if christia freeland's going to stop being the mp in rosedale by election by election so now that's 1.00

00:26:28.620 an interesting conundrum for mark carney and the liberals who have such a slim minority and are so

00:26:34.140 close to a majority all of a sudden those by elections coming up in 2026 become extra important yeah i think

00:26:41.260 that he he's uh gambling a couple of chips in those uh writings but i think he feels confident

00:26:46.220 that he'll get them back i don't know why he feels that confidence necessarily and i think that a

00:26:52.220 couple of posts a couple of seats there might be room for he might be able to carry a full term

00:27:00.780 with even a finer margin because the conservatives are not pushing back well mike it all depends on

00:27:07.500 the leadership review for the conservatives in the new year there is no sure thing that pier pauliev is

00:27:13.340 still their leader post convention not at all and i hear that uh jenny burn is gone they've uh brought

00:27:18.220 an outhouse to the guy who's really changed the way politics operates in the east coast and has had a

00:27:23.980 lot of success and he pulled off a miracle in newfoundland what they thought was not possible so he has a

00:27:30.700 pretty uh stellar track record is quite respected and maybe a breath of fresh air whether or not

00:27:37.340 that's enough to move the needle is to be decided but the rumors about doug ford's desire to run the

00:27:43.500 federal conservatives they've not gone away he might as well be wearing a bib from red lobster that says i

00:27:50.060 want to be pm well right but so when they have the convention whoever is ends up after all the smoke

00:27:58.140 clears and is still the lead of the conservatives that will take a few months so really as a country

00:28:03.500 carney is in place for a while the things smart you know they still need an ndp leader

00:28:09.740 he has a stronghold based on circumstance he does yeah he does and and the polling showing

00:28:17.660 that yeah the conservatives are close but the gap between pauliev and carney is massive yeah party the

00:28:23.660 the distance between parties shows a more centrist nation i think but leaders it's not even close

00:28:30.540 the leaders are not beloved to canadians no side and so carney's winning by default and that means

00:28:35.340 he's going to be prime minister by default default for months and months until the other sides get

00:28:40.220 their house in order so that's a pretty good gig too prime minister by default yeah is that on the list

00:28:45.580 you know that's still employed okay jim thanks for talking about these jobs man

True Patriot Love - November 28, 2025

Inside Canada’s Secret Post-Politics Money Pipeline

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