True Patriot Love - March 12, 2026


Is AI Fueling Propaganda？ ｜ The War In Iran

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As the war in the Persian gulf rages on, sometimes it s hard to separate fact from fiction. What is a deepfake and what is a verified video or audio coming out of this war? To talk more about it, we were joined by Mike and Brian of T-fell Media.

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00:00:00.000 as the war in iran rages on sometimes it's difficult to separate fact from fiction what
00:00:09.380 is a deepfake and what is actual verified video and audio coming out of this war in the persian
00:00:15.600 gulf to talk more about it thrilled to be joined by our team mike a big part of the team at t-fell
00:00:19.840 media former military veteran brian insta brian how are you very well thank you sir how are you
00:00:25.080 good good we were just talking off the air that it's there are so many people not just everyday
00:00:31.740 people but media members being fooled by the bots and the deep fakes what's going on in the persian
00:00:38.340 golf in the strait of hormuz it's unlike anything i've ever seen before brian yeah so i can i can
00:00:44.620 speak to this from personal literal uh writing a piece about this back in 20 probably 2019 it might
00:00:52.520 of in 2020 at that point where I was I don't know if it ever got published or not to be honest I
00:00:56.780 don't think it did but the intelligence community was very deliberately tracking the amount of
00:01:02.920 potential for national security incidents with deep fakes the specific example that was referenced
00:01:08.680 um in some of the reporting that I'd seen was a a lip-synced version or lip-sync maybe is not the
00:01:15.560 right word but sort of a dubbed fake video of Vladimir Putin uh sending out some kind of
00:01:21.780 emergency broadcast that he had launched a nuclear strike against the us and there was
00:01:26.020 x number of minutes or you know what i mean an hour or whatever to for us to respond to this and
00:01:31.360 that was back in 2019 i think and the realistic depiction of this was pretty scary back then like
00:01:38.380 it was it was kind of you could kind of tell that maybe it wasn't 100 real it was a little bit
00:01:43.520 grainy so so maybe who knows but now you know what i mean i i like even trained the trained eyes is
00:01:50.400 having a hard time, including myself, watching something and knowing that what I'm looking at
00:01:55.020 is a real person or a real story or has any credible information, you know what I mean,
00:01:59.780 that can be backed up. So it's very important. And I've kind of already said this, that people
00:02:03.920 double, triple check sourcing, do not single source anything. This is a serious, serious
00:02:10.100 concern. And the consequences could be quite large if, again, like a nuclear strike type
00:02:16.260 announcement was uh was deemed credible it's uh quite wild to me the other day i was flipping
00:02:22.260 through uh social media and i noticed that cnn had a a sort of a an indicator that said that it
00:02:29.780 was verified i've seen that yeah because a similar clip and they even referenced it a similar clip
00:02:36.180 had come out that was slightly altered uh but made the clip completely different yeah another
00:02:42.420 one that I saw was a B-52 bomber being paraded through the streets of Tehran, pretty much
00:02:49.780 intact. And I'm just guessing that if a bomber came down, that we would have heard something
00:02:56.600 about that. But it was very convincing. I mean, it looked very convincing. Just passing
00:03:03.520 by, you might think to yourself, wow, they took down one of the bombers.
00:03:06.640 maybe they finally learned how to build the entire plane out of the black box material and
00:03:12.580 it crashed and is completely it's completely intact probably not is my guess but what that's
00:03:18.820 a good point the black box always survive why don't we create the whole plane like that yeah
00:03:24.760 well right it's a good point thank you Brian that was that was a comedian's joke I heard that years
00:03:28.920 ago I can't take credit for that but uh the the problem is from the again intelligence nerd
00:03:34.580 perspective my couple years that i spent there and just getting sort of a a grip of what we were
00:03:39.860 being trained to do and how to recognize patterns and that kind of thing is that the mainstream
00:03:44.180 legacy media and there's a lot of youtube and independent journal independent journalism that
00:03:49.300 i would also consider mainstream with all the sponsorships and and money and all the things
00:03:53.620 behind the scene like it's hard to tell now who isn't biased or influenced to some degree what
00:03:58.020 are the motives of this person what are my motives like what am i in this for right so
00:04:01.620 So that most people, I tend to believe that don't get past the headline or even the very beginning of an article.
00:04:09.140 So all you really need now is some type of realistic looking clipping or headline that is designed to target the emotion of the reader.
00:04:19.240 And as we know, through a lot of experts that have come publicly now in the last few years of testifying that,
00:04:25.180 and you guys just did a video on this the other day, like your algorithm is feeding you things that it knows,
00:04:31.060 you know what i mean are going to elicit that emotional response and there's so much money to
00:04:35.900 be made on this rage and and fear porn you know what i mean that's pumped out that uh there's so
00:04:42.080 much incentive to do this like i can't stress enough that people really have to take a lens
00:04:47.660 through what they're looking at and and filter almost everything and not emotionally react and
00:04:52.260 read the actual article to make sure that the headline isn't you know i mean completely out
00:04:56.120 to lunch just to get you spun up over does that does that make sense what i'm saying no yeah no
00:05:00.740 makes total sense and i was thinking brian while you were talking that you know the iranian military
00:05:05.540 has no more air force no more navy they're outgunned but they do have the weapon of deepfakes ai and
00:05:11.620 social media and how are they using that strategically to help them prolong this to their
00:05:17.060 benefit well the same way that every military ever has used uh psychological warfare or the power of
00:05:24.900 propaganda to you know i mean swing the emotion of the civilian population or even the actual
00:05:30.580 soldier morale you know what i mean if you're only bombarded with certain stories of uh like iran
00:05:37.300 released a story saying 160 plus uh young children i believe girls might have been killed
00:05:43.780 with a with a us or israeli strike and the us is claiming this is a false flag and it was friendly
00:05:49.620 fire of the own it's impossible to know i'm not going to pretend like i know exactly where that
00:05:53.860 missile came from i don't know and i think there's very few people who actually do and we're not
00:05:57.940 going to get the real story for months or years if ever of what actually went on and a good example
00:06:02.980 i can give another one of recent was there was a story of a couple ukrainian soldiers that were
00:06:09.700 posted up i think on an island or a very room forgive me i don't have all remember the exact
00:06:13.700 details but they were posted up somewhere very remote i think it was an island and russia was
00:06:17.540 about to move in and they were gonna eviscerate this island with an air strike or a drone strike
00:06:22.180 and the soldiers dug in and said we're not gonna we're not gonna uh we're not gonna give in you
00:06:27.300 know what i mean we're not gonna we're not gonna raise the white flag like you but you have to come 0.95
00:06:31.460 and kill us to take this ground and it got everybody oh my god ukraine you know what i 0.50
00:06:35.860 mean the ukrainian soldiers are so brave and ukrainian soldiers are brave like this is not
00:06:39.460 to take away from that but this story was completely made up it was completely made up
00:06:43.540 and it reached news all over the world it was on all the largest legacy media independent whatever
00:06:48.420 stations and everybody kind of wanted to get behind this story because it was such a good story
00:06:53.780 and like even i i believed it for a certain maybe a day or two you know what i mean until i until i
00:07:00.600 dug into it or basically just stopped listening but i to be honest i forget where your original
00:07:06.820 question was but it's like no but they're using it strategically to help them help them as a as
00:07:12.180 a military uh like you say to convince the iranian people convince iranian military that hey look at
00:07:18.360 we're doing yeah you know it's interesting to me the uh the internet is out they've they've
00:07:24.120 disconnected the internet there's no real means of uh average everyday citizens connecting uh with
00:07:31.240 any ease and i wonder if that is to combat some of the potential propaganda that would come into iran
00:07:38.440 from the rest of the world uh certainly you know maybe strategically put their merits militarily
00:07:43.960 But you raise a really interesting point before when you say, you really need to look at your sources. And I will tell you this, in looking for examples of video, such a huge list came up almost immediately of deep fakes that had to do with military from around the world in the last three months.
00:08:09.140 They look very, very believable, Brian.
00:08:11.560 It makes me wonder, you know, will we as media out there now really take that extra step to let people know that we have verified, that we have done as much as we can to, you know, verify the veracity of what we're seeing?
00:08:28.960 Because that seems to be a new responsibility in my mind of the media that is out there conveying this.
00:08:34.720 like I don't know exactly what you know what I mean you think you can do or we can do to stop
00:08:42.620 it it's like this stuff is getting so realistic it's become almost impossible to tell what's real
00:08:48.260 and what's not so I don't think it's the fault of any one person or any one network for reading
00:08:53.960 something and you know what I mean going down a rabbit hole on it the best thing to do would be
00:08:58.220 to go down a rabbit hole on it to make sure that what you're seeing is not fake but I to be honest
00:09:03.280 i'm kind of at a loss here to recommend anything other than looking making sure you can find two
00:09:09.340 three four five plus sources to corroborate this information and if that's the case then
00:09:14.220 there's a good chance that it's at least trending in the direction of real or something that
00:09:18.340 resembles real um that's wild yeah like you were at a place now where okay you're doing your best
00:09:25.260 to find out what's real that is a new era of propaganda but what when brian alluded to the
00:09:32.740 ukrainian story and i'm thinking now that this is a weapon brian for a military
00:09:38.260 have a department of your military creating these for morale for different purposes to raise
00:09:43.540 awareness and maybe raise foreign investment for your military you can use these deep fakes as a
00:09:48.340 military to your benefit yeah for sure like this this like i said this is as old as war dropping
00:09:55.940 back in the day they would drop pamphlets you know what i mean around the town saying uh you know
00:10:00.340 what i mean one crusade or another is for this reason or for that and you got to get behind the
00:10:04.660 righteous cause because we're the good guy and they're the bad guy or whatever like this there
00:10:08.180 is nothing new about this it's just the degree to which they can churn out hyper realistic
00:10:13.460 depictions of things that are terrifying and emotion stirring as is unprecedented so like
00:10:18.820 nobody really knows how to i want to give an interesting example here of a channel on youtube
00:10:23.700 the channel is called money over history um and there's an asian gentleman with glasses that is
00:10:30.840 the uh sort of sort of narrator of this of this channel it's got almost 50 000 subscribers which
00:10:36.600 i think is interesting the video that i'm looking at is called iran claims 220 u.s soldiers killed
00:10:43.000 in 24 hours u.s deploys nuclear command plane so you can imagine upon having just scroll yeah like
00:10:52.440 just scrolling past this headline you're gonna think oh my god the u.s is covering up um dead
00:10:58.280 soldiers like i find it hard to believe that 220 u.s soldiers families would not be asking for
00:11:04.820 you know what i mean where their where their kids are where their husbands are where their parents 1.00
00:11:08.880 are whatever but if you if you watch this link it's it's it's pretty realistic it's not the best
00:11:15.420 ai bot video i've ever seen but it's also definitely not the worst and if you if you
00:11:19.940 watch this and you think oh my god like I'm watching this new uh scoop that's uh CNN or
00:11:26.400 nobody has yet and it's it's like this thing is completely made up as far as I can tell this is
00:11:31.020 a completely fabricated story it's full fake news or whatever and people are somehow it has 50,000
00:11:37.780 subscribers of people those are many of those are probably other bots and that's a whole other thing
00:11:41.520 I can get into in a minute but yeah this is like it's gotten to a level that's scary and people
00:11:47.560 really need to be aware that this is inundating their feed non-stop all day every day and that
00:11:54.320 is very intentional and this is absolutely a strategy to keep people afraid and just toe the
00:12:01.340 line and and i'm looking at the page right now and he did a video three days ago that has almost
00:12:07.480 275 000 views and it was claiming iran fired a mach 15 hypersonic missile at israel to take out
00:12:17.560 a target and the video and the graphics it would be very difficult not to realize that this has been
00:12:23.800 completely generated through ai material brian yeah exactly it's it's crazy yeah i don't know
00:12:30.600 thousand views right yeah and it looks so real and it looks like it's sourced and has graphics
00:12:38.520 and i mean the whole image of the guy could be thick as well i think yeah i think it is i think
00:12:44.600 it is i was gonna say i don't know that that's even a real human being on camera there right
00:12:49.640 so it's and it's an ai generated individual with ai generated visuals and facts of a supposed
00:12:56.840 mach 15 missile that iran fired now they do have a lot of drones and missiles but this could be
00:13:03.560 another psyop as you mentioned brian a a way to get people thinking that oh maybe iran's not
00:13:09.120 losing after all so who's behind this guy yeah that's a good question i don't know it could be
00:13:15.400 it could be china it could be north korea it could be russia those are the three biggest
00:13:20.820 the three biggest players that I saw in the cyber operations community even even Iran actually to
00:13:27.960 a certain degree had a pretty capable cyber ability back in 2019 so but again like some
00:13:35.420 loser in his basement with the right software could have spun this up in a few minutes so who
00:13:41.260 who do you think might be behind this guy China Iran North Korea Russia probably one of them or 1.00
00:13:50.480 any idiot in his basement with advanced software capability yeah so that's almost like uh you know 0.98
00:13:58.000 individualized terrorism possibilities right there but the count you you reference brian and 0.95
00:14:04.100 you talk about who's behind it almost 50 000 subscribers 8 million views since december
00:14:09.860 a lot of people are being sucked into this content probably but those those views and
00:14:16.040 those subscriptions can also be sort of, quote unquote, faked to a certain degree with follow
00:14:21.580 for follow, those type of things. These computers talk to each other. It's so much more advanced
00:14:26.600 than since I've been out of the game in 2019. And that's why I want to tell sort of a quick story
00:14:30.820 of some of the things that I was exposed to in the cyber intelligence community realm, where
00:14:35.440 there was a lot, a lot of reporting on how many bots and trolls and actual farm, they call them
00:14:42.780 bot and troll farms where there's just thousands upon thousands of people and then thousands and
00:14:47.920 then tens of thousands and thousands of bots maybe even hundreds of thousands of bots that exist to 0.92
00:14:52.760 just essentially shit post or post things that are deliberately inflammatory that have absolutely no 0.95
00:14:58.960 bearing on reality that are just designed to make people annoyed afraid you know what i mean addicted 0.99
00:15:03.680 to this content and basically cause sort of social unrest and at the time when i'm reading this
00:15:08.920 reporting from, again, China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, these countries are very capable and they
00:15:13.360 can churn this stuff out 24 hours a day, seven days a week, because a lot of the time it's
00:15:17.700 automated. I couldn't really understand from a strategic perspective, because that's the
00:15:22.340 environment I was working in. What does this mean at a strat level, 50,000 foot level? What does
00:15:27.340 this mean for the allied nations? What does this mean for the people that are consuming it?
00:15:30.660 And at the end of the day, now with several years, many years of hindsight to be able to look back on
00:15:35.540 the whole point of this operation i don't think necessarily had a goal in mind it was sort of
00:15:41.700 the goal was just to cause this unrest like the goal was to keep people addicted to their phones
00:15:48.000 to make them you know i mean constantly scrolling tic tac constantly doom scrolling uh like the the
00:15:54.120 the mission sort of was just to keep people on their phone watching this stuff i think that
00:15:59.220 that my assessment is they have they achieve that times a hundredfold anything they thought that
00:16:04.480 were going to be able to do but looking back on it from then i didn't really know where they were
00:16:08.960 trying to take it not realizing and that's on me that they had already done it and they were just
00:16:14.560 and covid just poured jet fuel on the fire of how many people were addicted to this fear and
00:16:20.560 doom scrolling stuff that just spun them into an algorithm that kept them constantly afraid
00:16:26.720 do do canada the usa nato countries western europe do they utilize something similar to
00:16:33.600 attack maybe or go against those countries you mentioned like north korea iran russia man that's
00:16:40.000 a good question i i was never exposed to any reporting about what the allied countries were
00:16:46.160 doing to combat it with an offensive cyber posture that's a really good question i would probably
00:16:52.160 guess yes i didn't i was not involved in that i was merely an analyst looking at the reporting of
00:16:56.880 sort of what we were trying to keep an eye on and what it meant for us but i'd be pretty surprised
00:17:01.280 to think that we're not trying to do something similar i just don't think that we have the same
00:17:06.240 level of effect as has been achieved domestically here by these state-backed countries that are
00:17:11.280 trying to cause unrest here because they've definitely caused it and people are just 0.97
00:17:15.040 walking around on edge all the time because they're just addicted to consuming this garbage
00:17:20.000 it's a great point it's a great point it's interesting to me that uh you know israel
00:17:24.560 took over TikTok, for example. So even the control of the platforms on which this is being delivered,
00:17:33.720 well, you know, if you're wondering if the allied nations do it, well, you know, one of them
00:17:38.620 actually owns TikTok. And so my answer to that would have to be, oh, I would assume so. And he
00:17:44.700 even Netanyahu, I think, is even quoted as saying, look, a lot of the battle, a lot of the wars are
00:17:49.860 to be fought online through these platforms and that's where we're going to begin to hit as well
00:17:56.020 and the next thing you know tick tock was uh brought into israel so yes i think that there
00:18:02.580 is that combat from the other side as well well and i've seen brian in the white house
00:18:07.300 and the trump administration producing uh ai type videos interspersed with real combat footage
00:18:14.340 from what's going on in iran to sort of hype up the american people i mean they're doing it
00:18:19.860 yeah absolutely like for for sure they're doing it and that mike you made a great point there with
00:18:23.700 israel hopping on the tick on board with the tick tock thing they're backtracking to the question
00:18:27.940 that you asked me back then i i was interpreted as like are we doing this covertly yeah like
00:18:33.700 it's definitely happening overtly and israel is making no no bones and no shame about how they're 0.73
00:18:39.780 basically bought tick tock and bought the media now to try to pursue their narrative uh which
00:18:44.020 is a whole other thing we could talk we could probably do an entire podcast on our greatest
00:18:47.460 ally but uh yeah obviously we're doing it obviously uh you know i mean israel and those
00:18:52.820 folks are doing it through the means that they're describing but the the covert stuff you know what
00:18:56.820 i mean with these the troll and bot and farms in the background of course we're doing it i just i
00:19:01.460 don't know what to what scale or scope mike well it's a hard uh it's a hard slot out there right
00:19:08.340 now getting through uh what you're seeing online what i would and i never do this what i would
00:19:13.460 recommend is go with the broadcasters and the newscasters that are telling you they're not
00:19:18.900 going to show you uh anything that is on not not verified you know to the end well when cnn had a
00:19:26.340 reporter um i think in bahrain or dubai when a drone attack was coming in and she's live and
00:19:33.460 they got to run to a bomb shelter that seems pretty real brian yeah maybe it is i didn't see
00:19:38.740 that but yeah there's that's exactly the problem of there's so much fake stuff that when something
00:19:44.660 real does happen you also don't believe that now so that's that's again achieving the desired effect
00:19:50.820 of if you put so much fake stuff out there that gets everyone spun up to the point of that they
00:19:55.620 don't believe anything now they're not going to believe the things that are real also again another
00:20:00.100 desired effect achieved it's hard to know what the antidote is for this to be honest with you
00:20:06.100 I would imagine there is technology out there to scrape what is and what isn't AI, but that's not technology the average everyday person has or even the media outlets to decipher what is real and what is not.
00:20:20.240 But I would imagine that's definitely on the horizon, something that you'll see as a new technological breakthrough is, okay, now we can tell you what's fake and what is not.
00:20:31.320 But in the meantime, we're in the midst of a war in one of the most frightening theaters of war, I think, in the history of mankind, certainly in many, many decades.
00:20:43.440 And here we are unable to really understand it.
00:20:46.080 And if you think about it, we're not that far away from the first color war we saw, which was Vietnam, that really changed the course of that war through the lives of citizens in America.
00:21:00.420 seeing this horrific footage it changed their opinion it changed what happened with that
00:21:06.320 entire war and it changed by and how media is allowed to cover combat and war ever since
00:21:12.120 yeah exactly exactly and that was and that was the vietnam war was another war started off a
00:21:19.440 false flag event misreported in the media american propaganda like the list goes on and on we've
00:21:24.260 probably never been told the truth and people are because of the internet now and the the gift of
00:21:28.720 the independent journalism. We're actually starting now just to try to get a grip of what's
00:21:33.800 actually going on. And we just get inundated with so much other stuff to make it even more
00:21:37.960 difficult yet again. From a Canadian military standpoint, Brian, just to bring a little closer
00:21:43.540 to home, how prepared is the Canadian military to combat something like this or use it to their
00:21:49.580 advantage? I don't, I would say that they're not. They very recently developed a cyber capability
00:21:58.220 for offensive cyber operations to hack into infrastructure you know what i mean secure
00:22:04.580 computers things like that again i'm not a ones and zeros guy i cannot walk you through how that
00:22:08.520 works i just know that we do have capable signals intelligence collection we do have offensive and
00:22:15.760 defensive cyber operations people now as a trade in the military but compared to what our adversaries
00:22:21.260 have been spooling up for the better part of a decade with 10 or 100 times our budget canada's
00:22:26.880 not prepared at the end of the day yeah we're thinking of the enemies using propaganda through
00:22:32.120 deep fake and ai but it's used on its own citizens in many cases uh that came up in my research as
00:22:41.200 well that there's a lot of governments out there that will allow a certain amount of disinformation
00:22:46.440 to happen through this means and that they actually in some terrible cases will use it on
00:22:54.140 their own citizens. That is, I think, a great danger. Well, I'm allowed to reference the,
00:23:01.680 I believe, JCCC, the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms, did that report
00:23:06.340 on the Canadian government using military-style propaganda, PSYOP, to convince people to consume
00:23:12.540 vaccines just a few years ago. The Canadian government is absolutely using military-grade
00:23:18.840 propaganda to convince canadian people to take experimental medicines and this is now documented
00:23:25.160 uh like i don't know what more someone could learn to like wake up to what's going on at home here
00:23:30.760 other than that very stunning report about 10 pages long pdf form that i read on the j triple c
00:23:36.760 that dove into that and if um i believe it's called manufacturing consent i've been trying
00:23:41.480 to hunt down one of the leading experts in this for several weeks now so holding my breath that
00:23:45.720 i can get a hold of her but yeah like there's canadian government will hold no bones about 1.00
00:23:50.360 exposing you to the exact same level of psyop propaganda because they did it over a quarter
00:23:55.080 of a period of two or three years spending almost 750 million dollars to do it you get a great
00:24:00.360 point i mean this doesn't have to be brian hopping on the back of a crystal octopus and floating out
00:24:05.800 of the scene yeah it could be much more by the way if you do that yeah uh that'd be great yeah
00:24:13.000 but having said that it can be much more subtle it can be disinformation that looks official
00:24:18.360 it can be a news report that's coming from a nefarious uh source that you know so i i can
00:24:24.680 see that there has been history of this uh certainly in america we've seen examples of
00:24:29.720 it throughout history um it's a frightening time i mean it was referenced in the um the movie
00:24:37.480 Arnold Schwarzenegger Terminator 2 about the future of AI people laughed it off but AI is a weapon
00:24:43.480 it's become a full reality Brian yeah if I and I want to touch on something that Mike and I talked
00:24:50.640 about yesterday that I neglected to mention sort of at the end there when we discussed the Chinese
00:24:55.520 floating supercomputer signals collection ship that's about 6 000 kilometers away from the
00:25:01.460 conflict that is constantly scanning and 360 collecting as much information as it can helping
00:25:06.300 provide Iran with real-time intelligence to assist them, you know what I mean, in establishing the
00:25:11.700 patterns and learning about how the U.S. strikes, how the U.S. uses logistics to refuel and reassert
00:25:18.740 themselves for the next conflict. This is a Chinese ship doing this, which means that China 0.95
00:25:23.220 is now in real-time gathering copious amounts of information about how the U.S. would launch a
00:25:30.800 modern war and they're able to absorb this information study it learn it plan for the
00:25:36.340 next conflict not only like in addition to providing this intelligence to iran we are
00:25:41.320 basically giving china a front row seat learning to how the allies are going to conduct a war
00:25:46.880 uh whether it's short or who knows how long this is going to go but now they have all the
00:25:51.620 intelligence they need to learn how where our missiles come from where our planes come from
00:25:55.240 how long it takes to reconstitute them what are our supply lines how often do we refuel where do
00:25:59.640 do it like the list goes on and on and china now has all this information aggregated a hundred
00:26:04.760 thousand times over with this floating supercomputer to use this against us in the next one
00:26:10.520 that is frightening mike yeah oh my goodness you know capturing the pattern capturing the means
00:26:16.040 um never underestimate your enemy right brian i mean that's like sun tzu like don't underestimate
00:26:22.840 the capability of the person you're going against that's one of the first things they teach you in
00:26:27.480 uh as a junior soldier uh junior leader when you're trying to write your orders is that the
00:26:33.000 enemy gets a vote too you can design the most eloquent you know what i mean platoon attack of
00:26:38.920 all time where everything's going to go this way or that way and then you get there and the ground's
00:26:42.440 different or the enemy moved or the enemy has more guns than you thought or you walked right
00:26:46.680 into an ambush like it's mike tyson said it best that everyone's got to play until you get punched
00:26:51.160 in the face so you need to the enemy gets a vote too and it's not going to go according to the way
00:26:55.800 way you thought it was you got to be you got to be agile brian thanks so much for talking to us
00:27:01.340 about this i don't know are we wagging the dog i don't know if you remember that movie yes no but
00:27:05.460 that is the real brian instead that is not ai i'm not convinced again i would have again i would
00:27:12.140 have washed i would have washed out all these wrinkles if i if i used
00:27:14.700 so mike when an expert like brian with his depth of experience in the military and out of the
00:27:24.660 military is being fooled by deep fakes and ai of what's going on in iran what's the average person
00:27:31.200 in this country supposed to do well we're all going to be faked out by it well it's so interesting
00:27:35.900 because before the show i i checked with perplexity yes and i asked perplexity is there any way for you
00:27:42.480 to detect ai and it said yes uh you know give me an example yeah and i put one in and it said
00:27:49.780 no this is not ai in fact it certainly was a deep fake so that one experience i had right there
00:27:57.040 now there are other ai checkers out there how effective they are or how infiltrated they are
00:28:02.620 i don't know but it's become beyond what's happening in the persian gulf that any news
00:28:07.200 footage now has to have that chyron that bug on the screen this is verified verified video
00:28:13.900 verified image because everything else we can't believe anymore and as brian said
00:28:19.000 unless you put that there you don't know if that's real or not you know it's really sad to say this
00:28:23.540 but if it's news coverage that looks outstanding i'm pretty much going to guarantee you that it's
00:28:27.280 not real because newsrooms around the world have done nothing but cut step yes so yes when you see
00:28:33.400 outstanding news coverage of something it's probably been captured on somebody's cell phone
00:28:38.160 and sent to the station of the network then it's up to them to verify it so here's here's for people
00:28:44.880 don't understand media in canada around the world sometimes mistakes happen and they'll they by law
00:28:51.800 they put the apology whether it's a newspaper article whatever it's a correction yeah but after
00:28:57.200 the fact it the horse is out of the barn people saw the the image they saw the video they read
00:29:03.700 the story and even though the apology has been made after the fact it's too late then because
00:29:09.220 people's minds are like well i saw this thing i heard this it's a good point i wonder psychologically
00:29:14.740 how many times you have to be told something before it's just truth to you or shown something
00:29:20.060 before it becomes reality to you there are a number of urban legends out there that there's a
00:29:26.960 snopes.com which you know verifies or shoots down urban legends but there's a number of them where
00:29:33.420 people are so convinced i've had thousands of conversations people over the years and they
00:29:37.620 repeat the same thing and it may or may not be true but now with the ability and the technology
00:29:43.240 advancing exponentially almost weekly in ai and deep fake it's hard to know what is real and what
00:29:50.300 isn't when the battle is being fought into your eyeballs ears and your senses and then being
00:29:57.160 played on you psychologically that's warfare that affects every single person eventually and mike
00:30:04.000 think about how busy we are in the world and oh i'm going to check my news feed i'm going to check
00:30:08.720 my feed to see what's happening in between work and commuting and shopping and life and then you
00:30:14.580 see something and even though two days later you find out it was fake in your mind look i saw this
00:30:19.740 that the thing blew up that's true it becomes a reference for you well i thought that was true
00:30:24.720 even if at the moment you thought that's got to be fake later on in conversation down the road you
00:30:29.300 might find yourself saying wait i thought that i saw something did you see that building blow up
00:30:32.960 for the missile yeah but jim you know that's not real how do you know i don't know how do we know
00:30:36.880 how do we know now we are not even having a real conversation because the reality of our topic
00:30:43.000 has vanished and the questioning basic visuals basic stories basic everything wondering in the
00:30:50.340 back of my mind now and from every canadian no matter where you live in what your age group you're
00:30:55.260 like is that real and like that's that is scary uh entertainment arts business war footage news
00:31:04.840 footage it's hard to know what is real what isn't so many posts that you see in comments are ai's
00:31:09.940 wrecked the world ai's ruined social media you know so i think that there is a backlash to arrive
00:31:16.800 in the world that says we want reality again and as our producer nick points out some critical
00:31:21.520 thinking is kind of uh overdue at this moment i think among humanity well and critical thinking
00:31:26.880 is is almost a lost art for a huge segment of the population because we do this and it's all we know
00:31:33.520 often in being informed like i'll tell like i'm guilty as anyone i see my buddies i i'm playing
00:31:39.520 hockey later today and we see stupid hockey or golf videos and we share them on instagram 0.86
00:31:44.640 And some may be real and some may be fake, but it makes us laugh. 0.99
00:31:47.820 I have a daughter who has a mini dachshund.
00:31:49.700 We send AI dachshund videos where the dachshund is making dinner with Gordon Ramsay.
00:31:54.120 But it looks real.
00:31:54.980 My phone allows me to take a photo and message it to somebody and doctor it up.
00:32:00.680 My dog has been so many politicians from around the world sent to my family members.
00:32:08.380 It's too easy when a guy at 57 can do that.
00:32:10.940 Right.
00:32:11.240 And Brian mentioned it.
00:32:13.000 some guy in his basement with just a laptop can create stuff that you can't even imagine with a
00:32:18.460 little bit of effort yeah not even it's not even being an expert with just a little bit of effort
00:32:23.400 and a laptop and wi-fi and send it out there and see how the world spins you know you know what
00:32:29.240 we'll do jim just to prove our point i'm going to take a quick shot of you right now okay and uh
00:32:34.740 and uh we'll add this to the end of the video and you'll you'll see the before and right okay
00:32:41.580 and I think you'll be amazed with what you see and thank you and thank you Brian and uh try to
00:32:46.160 keep it real out there because it's getting harder and harder okay let's have a look at what uh Jim
00:32:50.460 before and after see you next time see you