True Patriot Love - April 17, 2026


Is Canada Rewiring Its Global Alliances? ft. Mark Morris


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Mark Morris is a lawyer, legal expert, international business guy, and international man of mystery. In this episode, he joins us to talk about the challenges Canada is facing with trade with the United States, trade with allies around the world, and the challenges facing the Canadian economy.

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00:00:00.000 Mark Morris is a lawyer, legal expert, international business guy, and international
00:00:10.320 man of mystery, and of course, a go-to for us here at TPL Media. Mark, thanks for being here.
00:00:16.200 Oh, it's a pleasure. I'm glad to be back.
00:00:18.580 You know, it's interesting. We often talk about legal things and constitutional things,
00:00:23.320 and sometimes even financial things. But this time, we have a little bit of a focus that I
00:00:29.440 think is important to look at. We have had a lot of issues with tariffs, which was our last
00:00:36.260 discussion with you, and Kuzma on the horizon. Will that get renegotiated? And in between those two,
00:00:43.620 our prime minister has been all over the world doing some sort of business that seems to resemble
00:00:49.840 us lining up with new allies. Do you think that Canada's repositioning with new allies around the
00:00:57.700 world? Well, look, anyone who says that there's not a change in circumstance since Trump got
00:01:05.320 elected is defying reality. Clearly, Canadians have had a sea change in the way that they are
00:01:12.480 perceiving themselves within the alliance structure that was the world. And a good
00:01:18.220 portion of that is, of course, a reevaluation of the relationship with the states. But to be clear,
00:01:24.100 it's somewhat of a pragmatic one to my view. It's not people rejecting the fact that the United
00:01:30.700 States are our brethren and that they are our closest ally and that we will one day again be
00:01:35.280 friends and that at some point the current state of politics will be at an end and the traditional
00:01:40.440 friendship that existed between Canada and the United States won't continue. I think people
00:01:44.980 recognize that. But I think they also recognize what John Turner had to say during the free trade
00:01:51.480 debates, you know, 20, 30 years ago, which is that overt dependence on the United States to
00:01:58.380 the exclusion of others makes us uniquely vulnerable within this globalized economy.
00:02:05.000 And we are indeed experiencing that. I mean, at the end of the day, at the whim of one man,
00:02:10.360 seemingly an unstoppable man, because his party and the pillars of institutions that we have
00:02:17.520 always understood the United States to possess are not stopping him from acting in ways that are
00:02:23.300 somewhat lawless. Well, because of that, and because he's turned his attention on traditional
00:02:30.640 allies, Canada, with its 70 plus percent dependence upon the United States exporting and importing
00:02:37.980 stuff, sees a unique vulnerability. And as a result, I think people are incredibly scared.
00:02:43.480 and Carney, to his credit, has identified that that weakness is something that can be buttressed
00:02:49.960 by new allyship across the world and has been seeking to establish that properly, in my view,
00:02:58.300 over the course of the year that he has been in power. He's been recently rewarded with the
00:03:03.320 majority government as a result. Yeah, that was, and by the way, we're doing this podcast on the
00:03:08.940 heels of that announcement last night. We have a majority government here in Canada, and Mark
00:03:15.160 Carney, by and large, receiving a great deal of support, just had his liberal convention,
00:03:21.880 came off with barely a hitch, and he seems to be steaming ahead. You know, one of the questions I
00:03:28.940 had was, this is sort of a question that relies on two parts to the answer. One of them is
00:03:34.740 economically we've had to find new trade partners we've had to start to look within to see what it
00:03:40.580 is we need to do as a country to start to compete and then on the other side we have nato that is
00:03:47.780 you know a source of demand from trump right now and uh something that he seems very disinterested
00:03:55.380 in overall yeah well trump has if you ask me and we'll see how this plays out trump loves to tell
00:04:06.180 people he doesn't have the cards because trump was the person who kind of held the or america
00:04:11.860 was the place that held the world economy together but unbeknownst to trump and vance and the like
00:04:17.540 they didn't hold the same cards that they thought in fact there's a lot of structural
00:04:22.180 weaknesses if you undergird the fundamental pillars of the American system. Let me give you
00:04:27.580 an example from Canada's perspective. If one just takes a look at the traditional Canadian-U.S.
00:04:34.040 relationship that existed during the Biden years, you would have seen a Canada that was wholly
00:04:39.120 dependent. That is to say, 77% of our exports were going to the United States. And if you were a
00:04:46.440 bully, and Trump, let's be very clear, is a bully, you would look at that and say, wow, there's 0.98
00:04:51.480 something that I can put and exert pressure on, surely they'll bend to my whims because they need 0.99
00:04:59.880 me more than I need them. But underneath the surface, a very different reality exists.
00:05:09.080 Canada, by not moving up the value chain, to be clear, Canada hasn't done a stellar job of moving
00:05:14.520 up the value chain of manufacturing. That is to say, we still primarily produce raw components
00:05:19.820 that we're pulling from the earth, oil, gas, minerals, potash, whatever it may be. We don't
00:05:25.860 refine it. We just export it. Well, the thing about that type of export is that there are other
00:05:31.980 players in this world economy that are far larger with consumer appetites than even the United
00:05:36.940 States. And I'm thinking particularly of China, but others. And if all we're doing is exporting
00:05:42.320 raw materials, and if those raw materials are somewhat unique to us, because they are, like we
00:05:46.980 have an abundance of materials to the extent that others do not. Well, by tariff in Canada,
00:05:53.500 what you do is you actually have Canada redirect to other markets. And those markets are more than
00:05:59.920 willing to absorb Canadian products because there's always been a traditional need for it.
00:06:04.060 We've just gone to the United States because it's cheaper due to transport. So a good example of
00:06:09.260 that is the aluminum. I mean, after all, Quebec relies on aluminum and steel production because
00:06:13.360 of its cheap hydroelectricity. When Trump went ahead and cut out the aluminum, Asia was all too
00:06:20.100 happy to take over every single one of those contracts. And now that the aluminum cannot be
00:06:25.140 produced in the United States because of power, because of minerals and everything else, they want
00:06:29.220 it back. They can't have it back. Those contracts are gone. Canada is no worse off. The United States
00:06:34.600 is significantly worse off. The same as with lumber. Trump takes a look at all the green and
00:06:39.140 says, we have lumber too. But critically, they don't. They have very limited softwood lumber,
00:06:44.780 whereas we have very plentiful softwood lumber. And softwood lumber matters because it's used
00:06:49.160 for a building. And if you cut off our softwood, Japan, Korea, China, everyone is ready to take 0.96
00:06:55.500 these things. Yes, there's a bit of extra transport costs, but those transport costs 0.83
00:06:59.120 pale in comparison to the tariffs that Trump chose to impose. And suddenly we found amongst
00:07:04.360 ourselves in Canada, that the weakness that we all thought that we may exhibit, we actually did not
00:07:10.660 have to a significant degree. And you're seeing it in job numbers. Yes, we've had one or two bad
00:07:15.580 job reports, but overall, we've had massive job growth. Whereas in the United States, which has
00:07:21.620 imposed tariffs, they have had negligible, if not terrible job growth, sometimes zero band.
00:07:28.560 the bureau of labor statistics out in the united states is now a manipulated entity as are most
00:07:35.600 government entities now in the states unfortunately the rule of law there is is is to see is reclining
00:07:41.200 and the way that they've done it is they always announce job statistics that are now massively
00:07:46.260 revised downward one month later and so everyone in the markets are learning to not actually absorb
00:07:51.740 the bureau of labor statistics when they first come out but you have to wait a full month until
00:07:55.420 you get to see real statistics so it doesn't embarrass trump and the administration but if
00:08:00.300 you take yeah i think it's i think it's also pre-loaded with other criteria that wasn't there
00:08:04.540 before and uh extrapolations they're manipulating data but the true data is evident to everyone and
00:08:11.740 we can all see it which is that uh their job market is in peril their inflation is going up
00:08:18.540 um the fact that the gas inflation hasn't even kicked in because the strait of her moves works
00:08:23.340 by ships that basically go at the speed of a bicycle. And as a result, the oil transports
00:08:28.640 that were coming to North America haven't even stopped yet. We haven't even experienced the
00:08:32.720 decline. And gas is a full dollar higher than when Trump was elected. And remember, it's not about
00:08:38.560 your cars. It's about the fact that petroleum is a raw input for almost every single thing that is
00:08:42.840 created in the economy. And so it's going to have massive inflationary effects here as well,
00:08:47.960 but there particularly. All of these factors are suggesting that America's perceived strength,
00:08:56.520 where it thought it could outlast others, are actually a weakness, and that by removing itself
00:09:00.220 from a global system, it actually is tangibly hurting itself and the rest of the global system,
00:09:05.600 which continues to trade, actually more fervently than ever, with one another. China is trying to
00:09:11.480 preserve, Iran is acting, Iran, the moolahs are acting as a guardian of sanity, sitting there 0.94
00:09:18.880 saying, we're ready to keep the straight open to our friends who pay, like, granted, you have to 0.81
00:09:25.920 pay now. And, you know, now they're going to get billions and hundreds of billions of dollars as
00:09:30.460 a result of this most recent action. But my point is, keeping the global trade system going,
00:09:37.800 watching TPP being resurrected by Kearney in Canada
00:09:42.320 and trying to ultimately expand,
00:09:44.880 watching Canada make trade deals with India,
00:09:48.760 with China, with Korea,
00:09:50.780 watching China sit there and say global trade is important.
00:09:54.560 Everyone, you have predictability in us.
00:09:57.140 We're watching the rest of the world
00:09:58.360 continue on the track of increased globalization
00:10:01.080 that America set out for 80 years,
00:10:03.900 that America has course diverted
00:10:05.760 doesn't mean that other people are following and indeed other people aren't seemingly following
00:10:09.920 and so the pain that is being experienced in america may end up being may it's still too
00:10:15.200 early to tell may end up being a unique experiment in that country alone as the rest of us continue
00:10:19.520 to prosper through free trade which ultimately benefits everyone that used to be a conservative
00:10:23.760 precept by the way that used to be a conservative principle um you know mark you kind of raise a
00:10:29.200 point as you talk about uh the the us putting itself in a sort of isolated position at the
00:10:35.360 the moment that it was meant to be a power play. We're in a position right now, I guess, as the
00:10:42.120 rest of the world to find allies. And we understand now at this very moment, it's come into clear
00:10:48.240 focus that we are at war and it's an economic situation. Yes, there are bombs being dropped
00:10:57.520 and missiles being sent. But really what's at the heart of this is economics. We've seen the
00:11:04.000 economic fallout from this. We are predicting what the economics are ahead of this. And
00:11:10.800 now having allies means having trade partners. It's almost like where that used to be separate
00:11:18.660 almost of one another. We see now how integral it is that we have allies that are also our trade
00:11:26.660 partners. You know, it's interesting because trade has driven civilizational advance since
00:11:32.920 the 1200s. The country that trades the most with the world becomes the world power. Now,
00:11:39.200 the definition of trade can be rapacious, stealing everything from India and bringing it back to
00:11:46.040 Great Britain. But the point is goods moving back and forth, whichever country, the Dutch
00:11:51.380 facilitated it through the East India, through the Dutch East India Company. The French facilitated
00:11:59.020 it until Louis XVI. The British facilitated it throughout the 1800s. The Americans facilitated
00:12:05.880 it for the... And now we're seeing the rise of China, which frankly facilitates trade better
00:12:10.120 than anyone else. To remove yourself from the system that has proven itself since the 1200s
00:12:15.520 to be the source of global power is folly. And the Americans seem intent on relearning that
00:12:23.660 lesson. Let me give you an example of the obvious benefits that America
00:12:32.340 held prior to engaging in its current course of action. Because I know we're going to talk about
00:12:39.880 NATO. People love to, and the American, Trump particularly loves to say other people aren't
00:12:47.600 paying their share when it comes to military and defense. And that is very true. Like, let's be 0.98
00:12:55.700 very clear. We have massively underinvested in defense. In this country particularly, it's
00:13:00.020 embarrassing. Canada's military tradition, just give a shout out to the veterans, Canada's military
00:13:05.360 tradition is one of incredibly proud service, but also aptitude. In World War II, we were known as
00:13:11.920 the premier fighting force pretty much of the world, largely because our land was untouched
00:13:17.740 and we were able to build up our capacities in ways that, you know, Europe couldn't.
00:13:21.260 But still, and this is true, by the way, when we fought as the British in 1812 on forward,
00:13:27.500 we've always had a proud fighting tradition.
00:13:29.720 And our veterans in Afghanistan and in Iraq, they did us proud.
00:13:34.340 Like, even though we were massively underfunding our military at that point, they did us proud.
00:13:38.940 We have a military tradition that we as Canadians should be very proud of and, by the way, should rebuild because the military is actually very important for the past.
00:13:47.600 And it's also, by the way, an amazing employment force.
00:13:50.680 It's a great way to create national projects.
00:13:53.660 It inspires us in many ways to do better around the world.
00:13:57.880 But this is my point.
00:13:58.800 My point is that there was a tradeoff that was made with the United States and all allied nations, which is, hey, America, you can provide your forces for everyone.
00:14:07.740 And we in turn will use American military tech stacks. We will involve ourselves in the F-35.
00:14:14.560 We will involve ourselves in the Patriot batteries. We will involve ourselves in what Trump wants to
00:14:19.660 call the golden dome, whatever it is, doesn't matter. We will put our money into that so that
00:14:25.380 we don't need to start from scratch and we can use your platforms. By Trump's singular comment
00:14:33.040 that one day they may not be so friendly so we could turn off the F-35s, suddenly every single
00:14:38.560 person realized that actually dependence upon the American military platforms are really problematic.
00:14:46.960 And that's the reason that our spending has gone up from 0.8% of GDP to over two. It's because not
00:14:54.760 only are we massively investing in actual guns, bombs, and everything else and training, but we
00:15:01.760 are now also creating the raw infrastructure that America basically provided as a sunk cost.
00:15:07.920 And we have to build that up ourselves now. And so do every allied nation. So does France. So does
00:15:13.040 Britain. So does Germany. We're all realizing that we need to spend money. But that money comes at a
00:15:18.840 direct cost to the United States, because we were subsidizing their military. Every person was
00:15:24.840 subsidizing their military, because the military in turn was subsidizing trade routes, global peace
00:15:30.100 and everything else. When Trump announced he's no longer going to do that job, when Trump said,
00:15:34.240 you're on your own, fellas, what he did was he gave everyone the incentive to ultimately say,
00:15:38.960 well, that's fine. But if you're not going to provide the raw sunk costs, we now need to spend
00:15:42.940 on our sunk costs. And that explains Carney's recent decision that, hey, 70% of our military
00:15:49.140 spend was going to the United States, no more. Why? Because now if America's not going to protect us,
00:15:53.920 well, let's build our own economies. Let's build our own resources. We've done it before.
00:15:57.620 We are very good at it. We're a military nation when we want to be, and we will be again.
00:16:02.680 And that's being forced on us. But at the same time, it's something that provides unique opportunity at this time of day.
00:16:09.720 It's interesting that we are sitting here talking about the increase in defense spending, which came out in Carney's budget.
00:16:17.800 By the way, he's suspended that budget and we're expecting a new one.
00:16:21.360 But I wonder if that new budget will have an even larger increase in defense spending.
00:16:29.140 And it makes me think to myself, OK, we're going to participate in NATO properly.
00:16:34.140 Where are we getting this money from?
00:16:36.840 I mean, the dollar is diminishing day over day.
00:16:41.440 We're watching it right now.
00:16:43.620 We are not really equipped to be building anything here in this country that, you know,
00:16:48.720 maybe some of the shipyards have the room but apparently we're already outsourcing it seems to
00:16:53.760 me that we're going to be begging uh borrowing from paul to beg from peter later on and i'm
00:16:58.720 wondering can we just keep printing money to satisfy nato yeah so let me answer that first
00:17:05.600 off i'm going to take umbrage with something you said mike go right ahead actually not following
00:17:10.800 in fact the canadian dollar is showing massive resilience and let me explain why right now i
00:17:15.200 I just looked it up, it's 73 cents to the dollar, which by the way, is a stable and traditional
00:17:20.620 point for the Canadian US dollar at this time. But the reason that it's so impressive at 73 cents
00:17:29.660 is because with the global uncertainty that's recently happened in Iran, the greenback still
00:17:33.860 remains a point of security for the world. Massive amounts over the past two weeks of dollars have
00:17:40.160 been flowing into the American dollar and bond market as security. And yet we're still maintaining
00:17:46.700 a 73 cent. Usually we'd be at 69 cents during perilous times like this. We're at 73. You can
00:17:53.600 expect that if the Strait of Hormuz somewhat cancels out, the stronger dollar that would result
00:18:00.940 from us will be directly tied to the strong oil prices that are expected for the next five years
00:18:06.380 as a result of Trump's actions.
00:18:08.360 High oil prices, because Canada primarily exports raw materials
00:18:12.200 and oil is a major component, directly affects our dollar.
00:18:15.560 You'll remember the last time we were at par, the oil price was spiking.
00:18:20.740 Our dollar is set for a pretty good run,
00:18:23.780 and vis-a-vis other global currencies were really high.
00:18:26.700 Vis-a-vis the United States, the United States still being the reserve currency,
00:18:30.160 is partaking in the benefit of massive global instability.
00:18:33.400 um and as a result huge dollars are flowing in right now i have a feeling that i think though
00:18:39.080 that our dollar is being propped up right now by the increase in oil uh per barrel it is out of
00:18:45.400 alberta and i wonder if okay so you know the u.s has all of these options likely on oil moving
00:18:53.740 forward they're looking at venezuela they're uh you know bullying their way around the world trying
00:18:58.920 take whatever oil or make whatever oil deals they can they're the biggest buyer of our raw product
00:19:05.400 i just wonder if what we're looking at by the way over the last couple of days is an increase in the
00:19:09.960 dollar but we were decidedly headed that way and if the effects of this war haven't really taken
00:19:16.920 effect yet we might find ourselves there in as little as 30 days so so first off because we're
00:19:23.720 only talking about the dollar now you asked a whole bunch of other questions i don't know why
00:19:26.040 we got on that sorry about that no problem but first off the dollar is directly reflective of
00:19:31.720 the oil price because we're a petrodollar that's that's what we are like i'd love to say that we're
00:19:36.440 an economy of brains and brawn and manufacturing prowess and everything else but we're actually 37
00:19:42.360 million people in an 8 billion person world and all we have is land and resources and so the
00:19:48.040 petrodollar directly affects us but it is expected that the petrodollar now will have or the
00:19:56.040 oil price will be spiked for a very long time and when i say a very long time i'm talking about
00:20:01.400 several years not several months which means that given the reality of our goal
00:20:06.520 yeah given the reality of our dollar we are simply put going to see a higher canadian dollar as a
00:20:13.160 result because again the way it works is that in order to buy canadian oil you have to buy
00:20:19.880 canadian dollars because we then will sell it to you and so that's what props up the dollar fine
00:20:26.120 as regards to the fact that the united states has other sources who cares oil is a global price
00:20:33.480 it doesn't matter if the market goes up our price is based on texas sweet crude right
00:20:39.240 it's based on texas street sweet crude sure but texas sweet crude is in turn based on the global
00:20:44.680 oil price which is impacted by the i got you okay right and as a result it doesn't really
00:20:49.160 matter where the United States is getting their product from. China wants our product. So if we
00:20:54.580 have to put it on a tanker and get it out there, great. People are still ready to pay the dollar
00:20:58.600 value. Moreover, India is now desperate for our product because China is a bit different than 0.53
00:21:04.160 India. China has over the past five, six years actually reduced. I'm not talking about reduced
00:21:10.440 its growth in fossil fuels. Last year, it reduced its total fossil fuel consumption.
00:21:18.900 And it was the second year it did that in a row. Look up the stats. It's very interesting.
00:21:23.520 And the reason that they did that is because, don't get me wrong, they still are producing
00:21:27.580 coal and they're still doing all their stuff, nuclear, but they are massively producing
00:21:33.520 renewables. And they're not doing it because they're good people, by the way. I want to be
00:21:37.700 very clear about this. They're not sitting there singing kumbaya, holding hands and saying we care
00:21:42.460 about the environment. I'd love if that was the case. Environment is my thing. That's not what's
00:21:46.440 going on. What's going on is that they don't have domestic sources of fossil fuels outside of coal.
00:21:52.240 And as a result, they see it as a source of strategic disadvantage and massive vulnerability.
00:21:57.260 The reason that they've invested in solar the way that they've invested, and the reason that 0.98
00:22:01.000 America doesn't give a shit about solar is because America sees its future in fossil fuels because 0.96
00:22:06.660 it has a lot of them. China, which has none of them, and by the way, has no water either, 0.98
00:22:11.520 sees a much bigger problem. And it realizes that renewables are the only way forward through
00:22:16.080 its security advantages. And it made that deal about 2011, 2012, when it massively invested in
00:22:23.120 solar. The efficacy of full solar rose to 35% efficacy, which means every single electron of
00:22:29.660 sun that comes from the sun, 35% of it is converted into electricity at the present time.
00:22:34.300 and they've now been able to generate huge huge huge quantities to the point where they're no
00:22:39.540 longer as dependent upon oil as they once it's incredible you see the you see the fields that
00:22:44.820 they've built i mean it's miles by miles isn't it i pointed out to you the tibetan field last
00:22:50.380 spoke and i told you there's a 500 square kilometer tibetan field for solar that is
00:22:55.680 generating one i think it was one terawatt of energy which is by the way the united states
00:23:00.620 consumes 1.2 terawatts in total on a given year and they're generating one terawatt i mean check my
00:23:08.380 numbers because i'm not an energy expert but i remember reading these numbers they're just
00:23:11.820 astounding whatever they are it doesn't matter so mark but to this end i mean my point is this my
00:23:17.180 point is china's not dependent but india hasn't made that transition yet and neither has uh brazil
00:23:23.580 and neither has a whole bunch of other countries and all of them are massively dependent and all
00:23:28.300 of them need our product. So on that note, do they then become allies of ours? And the reason that I
00:23:35.180 ask this is because we're seeing what dependence on oil means around the world and how it impacts
00:23:41.420 humanity. Do we start to sell to the Chinese market? Does that upset the US when we're
00:23:49.020 diverting and doing business with China when they would prefer that we don't? I mean, 0.75
00:23:54.060 Trump has made it really clear that we shouldn't be doing as much business with China as we're
00:23:57.980 doing and i just wonder if our economic ties to other countries now will strain our relationship
00:24:05.180 with the us sure meaning we've got new allies and we're upsetting our largest ally sure well
00:24:13.740 first off it's worth calling the kettle black i mean the united states on a gdp basis does far
00:24:20.140 more trade with care with china than canada does far more okay yeah way way way way more on a per
00:24:26.940 person basis they do way way more so for them to sit there and say you can't work with china
00:24:32.140 is just the the height of hypocrisy and can be pointed out in real time to them at all times 0.60
00:24:38.620 but it's shocking that they won't hear that but well i mean it's true they don't want to hear
00:24:43.740 what they don't want to hear but it doesn't change the reality um the really interesting
00:24:50.700 part here is your question okay well what formulates the basis for new friendships
00:24:57.980 and i'm going to go back to the 1200s what formulates the basis for um new friendships
00:25:04.780 actually it's not the 1200s it was um uh it wasn't until free trade came about
00:25:11.900 that trade itself became mutually beneficial it wasn't beneficial for the indian subcontinent
00:25:18.300 that that that that multiple hours of china or for any of the conquered territories that people came
00:25:27.180 in scrubbed their land clean of treasure and and and uh and and riches and took it back to their
00:25:33.980 country that was trade that wasn't beneficial trade right since free trade i think that was
00:25:40.140 called plundering but that was called plundering since the advent of free trade that benefits both
00:25:46.220 sides and i mean there's classic economics that bears this out and it's the whole thing that
00:25:50.060 trump doesn't want to understand but the idea is that it's not a zero-sum game trump trade is
00:25:54.620 something that can ultimately expand the pie meaning that both parties benefit a conservative
00:25:59.020 a traditional conservative audience understands this very well this is the whole basis of
00:26:03.340 our global economy and to that end if you're asking where the new ally ships will lead all
00:26:07.980 All you need to really look at is where the growing trade routes are, because where the growing trade routes are, there is more of a pie that both of us are eating from.
00:26:15.300 And the more we both eat together, the more you sit together with someone and have dinner, the more friends you make.
00:26:20.720 I mean, that's what it is.
00:26:22.080 And the rest of the world is continuing to expand its pie.
00:26:25.000 And the United States has decided to take its pie and go home.
00:26:28.080 Okay, fine. 0.97
00:26:29.460 So if you're wondering where our new traditional growing allies are going to be, I mean, no one in Canada is stupid enough to say the United States isn't going to be a massive. 0.89
00:26:37.980 massive part of our life forevermore. They will. In the same way, by the way, that someone who has 0.89
00:26:43.980 three kids with someone and is getting a divorce cannot possibly say, this person is not going to
00:26:49.520 be part of my life. They're obviously going to be part of your life. That's it. You have to learn to
00:26:53.440 live with it. You have to learn to deal with it. And to the extent that, by the way, that we're
00:26:56.540 having perhaps a fight, we probably won't even end up divorced. We'll probably end up remembering
00:27:02.440 that this was a poor time in our relationship and we'll recover with better leadership and
00:27:06.700 everything else. All of that's true. But in the interim, we're eating pie with other people and
00:27:12.320 we're developing new relationships. Some of those people that we're eating with and going on dates
00:27:16.480 with are pretty sexy. Yes. Tell me the sexy list of our current dates in your mind. 0.99
00:27:24.220 Well, let's, I mean, let's just take the growing powers of this world. So there's a couple of
00:27:29.940 growing powers. There's India, very clearly a growing power. Brazil, very clearly a growing
00:27:36.740 power. China, very clearly a growing power. Those are the three. Oh, and then I would have I would
00:27:45.460 add long term, obviously, they're going through a bit of a rut. But the Middle Eastern countries
00:27:50.280 of saudi arabia um and uh the uae and others are also equally powerful uh economic forces
00:28:01.880 those are trade allies do you see any sort of defensive allies out there that we are
00:28:08.520 gravitating toward that we might not have before yeah um oh and by the way mexico is also a growing
00:28:14.840 power and that that's very important because we have deep and abiding um disputes and also trade
00:28:24.840 uh with with mexico so let's keep that in mind although it's not growing the same way china is
00:28:29.400 and india is but it's still growing significantly um so sorry mike your question was oh yeah uh
00:28:36.280 these are good trade partners that we're developing but are you starting to see any
00:28:40.280 sort of defensive positioning that we might find in countries where we weren't hanging out before
00:28:45.560 or uh teaming up with or aligning with well there's a very simple reason that we're aligning
00:28:51.640 with the people we are which happens to be north uh in north europe um there's there's actually
00:28:57.960 two major reasons one the arctic's about to open up and we need to have arctic security it's the
00:29:03.800 same reason that trump was trying to go for greenland uh the arctic is everything russia
00:29:08.840 knows it and they're now a dissipated force because of what has happened in the ukraine
00:29:13.000 um but so do the arctic states finland norway sweden iceland us um and so there's a natural
00:29:20.440 affinity of interest that we have given that we see the next 30 to 40 years worth of conflict
00:29:27.320 resolving or really being over establishing that new territory because really it is new territory
00:29:33.480 new routes, new transport, new trade. It's critical. Also, we have an affinity of cultural
00:29:40.400 interest with most of the European countries. After all, we come from there. We have the same
00:29:45.000 culture. We have the same beliefs. We have the same technologies, systems, understandings,
00:29:52.440 languages. So obviously, our natural tendency, if the Americans are out, is to bolster our European
00:30:00.300 allies who seem all too well willing to do a bolstering. But more importantly, and this is
00:30:06.460 not really known by many people, particularly those people who have only paid attention to
00:30:10.800 military materials tangentially. One of the premier powers in this world, military powers in this
00:30:19.700 world is Ukraine. And people don't really appreciate it. But Iran's war is bringing it 0.68
00:30:27.400 into sharp relief and focus. Look, Ukraine has 1 10th of the population of Russia. And they are
00:30:35.380 now in a position where they are not losing a single piece of territory. Moreover, they're
00:30:40.600 bombing the hell out of Russia and Russia can't do anything back. That was the easy one. The fact 0.79
00:30:47.100 is the Americans sent over two aircraft carriers to Iran. Only one is there because it had a
00:30:54.300 washroom malfunction, but actually it was later revealed that Iran pummeled it with it had a fire
00:30:59.420 on board. Yeah. And now it's out of commission for two years. Yeah. That's the power of Ukraine's
00:31:05.600 technology. It's not an advanced weaponry in the form of multimillion dollar drones. It's in the
00:31:12.420 it's in the massive scale up of cheap technology brought to bear. And Iran actually was really 0.99
00:31:22.500 its counterparty, but it was beating Iran because Iran was supplying Russia. We were all supplying 0.68
00:31:27.140 Ukraine. Ukraine has now built up this defense capability, and that defense capability is wanted
00:31:32.300 by the whole world. The Americans are extremely angry at Saudi Arabia at the present time because
00:31:36.660 Saudi Arabia just did a defense deal with Ukraine. America, Trump hates Ukraine. Trump's trying to
00:31:42.000 do business in Russia, and so he's trying to undermine it and destroy Ukraine as a country.
00:31:46.700 They were furious when they suddenly realized that Ukraine, not the United States, was being
00:31:51.660 asked for so i'm able to solicit saudi money because saudi arabia looked at their defensive
00:31:57.500 network and said this is more valuable to us in today's economy i don't need a patriot
00:32:01.100 bed missile battery even though it's better that costs two million i need a drone that costs
00:32:06.620 three thousand and i know that's that's an interesting point because now you're not
00:32:11.660 fighting missiles with multi-million you're not fighting wars with multi-million dollar missiles
00:32:15.900 you're fighting them with drones and and i don't know if you know this uh mark i've never told you
00:32:19.980 this but i have a warehouse uh do you know how many drones i can fit in my warehouse 2000 and i
00:32:26.700 have six warehouses okay exactly and you know i i had a meeting so i i ran a podcast for for a bit
00:32:35.020 and uh i do do writing a podcast and one of the guests on that i had was general ben hodges
00:32:40.060 uh who was commander of the uh eastern european um uh sorry the european uh the american command
00:32:47.100 in Europe. And we had a big discussion about asymmetric warfare, because that's what this is.
00:32:52.160 And asymmetric warfare is the idea that America, you can invest trillions of dollars, but trillions
00:32:58.240 of dollars is something that becomes a vulnerability when you invest that much, if you can take it out
00:33:04.080 with 5,000. And so if you're asking where our natural military allyship is, both because of
00:33:10.280 culture and because of the geography of situation, but above all else, because they are now the
00:33:17.080 premier exporter of the defense that the world needs. It's Europe. It's clearly Europe. China
00:33:22.920 is learning from Europe. India is learning from Europe. People are not trying to buy... 0.79
00:33:29.320 Russian technology is totally discredited. It's always been a joke, but it's been proven to be
00:33:35.400 joke. No one buys commercial. American technology is now discredited because of political leadership,
00:33:41.480 where Trump has basically said we can cut you off at any time. Well, because these tech stacks cost
00:33:46.040 billions of dollars, you don't invest in something where someone is erratic and ultimately can cut
00:33:50.280 you off at the push of a button. So who do you invest in? Well, you invest in someone who is
00:33:54.760 proving that they have a technology that is cheap, easily deployed, and that fundamentally can't be
00:34:01.480 controlled through centralized means and that that that that avails itself incredibly well
00:34:06.840 to artificial intelligence swarms of drones can be controlled through artificial intelligence
00:34:13.400 and this is the new reality that we face so if you're asking where our defensive posture is
00:34:17.960 i think anyone both in the military for the economy and for our culture everyone looks to
00:34:23.400 europe first and foremost then secondary is yeah i was going to say and and beyond that
00:34:29.880 it seems like we're developing relations in japan south korea china right well the reason
00:34:37.640 that those guys are militarily important is because they see benefit in the status quo so
00:34:42.600 it's not that they have the same culture or understanding or desires but what they do have
00:34:47.720 a desire to keep doing is it's been global trade has been very good to china it joined the wto in
00:34:53.720 2001. Look at what it is now. It wants to keep this system going. And more importantly, it will
00:34:59.940 use force to protect it. There's a reason it hasn't attacked Taiwan recently. May still. I don't think
00:35:07.400 it will. I think it's just, personally, I think Taiwan's, even though Trump is there, and Trump
00:35:13.580 won't raise a finger to help Taiwan, China has not chosen to attack Taiwan. And I think the reason
00:35:20.160 that is because it just keeps growing stronger stronger and stronger and stronger and perhaps
00:35:25.040 the best way to take over taiwan tsmc and everything else is just to build out your
00:35:30.480 economy such that you're better and then at that point taking them over becomes a non-issue the
00:35:35.040 reason we're all freaking out is because they produce the nvidia chips and they produce all
00:35:38.240 the other chips that exactly china's china's massively investing in lithography they're 0.88
00:35:43.120 expecting to get ahead of the game um you know like they have the power to produce for the chips
00:35:48.880 all of these anyways the point is you just raised a good point we spend our existence
00:35:54.960 intimidated by the us will they do trade with us will they protect us will they take us over
00:36:00.560 that wouldn't be in question if we just got better right right exactly and look to some
00:36:07.360 degree canada can't become you know let's be honest like like we're 37 million there are 400
00:36:14.480 million like at some point there is a structural limitation to becoming a global power the way the
00:36:23.360 united states is but it doesn't take away from your point which is canada can be way better than
00:36:27.040 it is canada can yeah i mean it can put ourselves in a position where the status quo is that they
00:36:33.360 find us mutually beneficial right that we're not viewed as a drain on their economy that we're
00:36:38.400 productive and supplying things to the world that are desirable to them right well i mean strangely
00:36:45.120 the americans that are actually in business and not in graft understand that we are all those
00:36:50.640 things i mean canada is massively those things for the united states we are a huge benefit to
00:36:55.040 the united states to the point where we are impeding our own growth because we just give
00:36:59.200 our raw materials to them and then we become a consumer economy where we buy out their finished
00:37:04.320 products i mean we're we can do better we can do better you know what mark i want you to be part
00:37:09.760 of my new team i'm gonna start a company called petro canada and we're gonna make petroleum for
00:37:15.600 our own nation what do you think i think it's a great idea and then i think we should ultimately
00:37:20.880 sell it to uh private interests at some point in the turn of a government and then we can all
00:37:26.080 lament we've lost oh you know what let's learn from our lessons previously mark morris thanks
00:37:32.160 sir uh i really appreciate you doing this on short notice you're the guy that we turn to and i hope
00:37:36.800 that you'll be around more as we dissect what's going on around the world uh because you're out
00:37:41.520 there uh your next trip is madagascar you are in asia you're the guy that we know that has more air
00:37:48.000 miles uh than anybody else on our team so thank you i appreciate for being here i want to be clear
00:37:52.960 that's not for business that's because king julian's theme song from madagascar thing i have 0.94
00:37:57.840 young kids played in my ear forever i'm gonna go find that lemur i'm gonna go kick him in the rear 0.64
00:38:03.040 and i'm gonna take my vengeance that's the reason that's the reason for madagascar 0.89
00:38:07.840 i understand i got lion king on my list all right thank you my man my best take care mike
00:38:20.080 patriotic means looking up for each other and fixing things together true patriotism is being
00:38:27.120 in a country you love surrounded by people you love and great weather being a patriot is being
00:38:31.840 a part of your community and caring for it it doesn't matter who you are or where you're from
00:38:36.320 patriotism is the one thing we all share it's okay to be critical of government and still be
00:38:42.400 a patriot it's gratitude to your country of course i'm a patriot i'm canadian it's my home
00:38:48.080 Well, actually, true patriot love is the mission.