True Patriot Love - April 29, 2026


Is Canada’s Democracy Already Broken？ ft. Liam DeBoer

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On this episode of the podcast, we are joined by our good friend and long-time colleague, Nick Paquette. Nick and I discuss why we believe that Canada does not have a functional democracy and why we should vote for the floorcrosser.

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00:00:00.000 yeah i guess we can start with the democracy portion that we're talking about um we're on
00:00:10.800 now nick yeah okay uh yeah the democracy portion where canada does not have or does not represent
00:00:17.200 a functional democracy depending on who you ask and i'm definitely interested to hear your take
00:00:21.920 because i would agree with that statement but i want to know why maybe you think that or you heard
00:00:26.800 that yeah so definitely just over watching the last five to ten years of uh the election cycles
00:00:37.600 the important note to start with would be 2021 so back in that day there was the big winnipeg
00:00:46.560 lab scandal where it was found that there was at least two people within our highest security
00:00:52.800 biolab that were working with the chinese military on gain-of-function research even sending live
00:01:00.880 viruses such as ebola over to the wuhan institute of virology very interesting you do not know what
00:01:08.640 you're talking about it is knocking sorry i couldn't resist that um and so when that story
00:01:15.600 is crazy it's a very crazy story that most people in canada have never really heard about uh outside
00:01:22.000 of canada the same and when that scandal was coming through parliament in the liberal government was
00:01:29.040 being pushed to bring documents forward they shut down parliament they ended up even trying to sue
00:01:38.080 the speaker of the house and then they called that random snap election in 2021 where we were like
00:01:44.320 oh okay i guess we're having an election nobody was really calling for it and because what happens
00:01:49.600 when you call an election is it shuts down parliament and essentially recycles everything
00:01:53.920 and like all the bills come off and so forth all the topics everything all works get washed
00:02:00.880 and so the 2021 election we think about elections in a democratic nation as our way to hold
00:02:10.280 accountability that was called in order to skirt accountability uh so the election ended up
00:02:17.900 actually inverting its purpose of accountability. And then you fast forward to 2024 of October is
00:02:27.380 when the Green Slush Fund started being exposed, where the Liberals were using the Sustainable
00:02:35.140 Development Technologies Canada to shovel money into Liberal-friendly businesses. The estimates
00:02:42.680 are as high as $330 million out of the billion-dollar annual budget
00:02:47.700 were put into conflicts of interest
00:02:50.700 and not even following the proper protocols and paperwork, et cetera,
00:02:55.540 for okaying these projects.
00:02:58.260 Then, again, the Liberals, when they were being pushed
00:03:02.060 to bring forward documents on the slush fund,
00:03:06.920 they shut everything down and then held throughout,
00:03:11.900 because this was again in october and then went away for christmas recess over that time is when
00:03:19.660 the calls for trudeau to step down uh were coming about and even his own caucus was in revolt and
00:03:28.220 then trudeau prorogues parliament steps down as party leader rather than calling a federal election
00:03:36.620 Because then what ended up happening is what we saw where, okay, we can re essentially install a prime minister being Mark Carney, who was Trudeau's economic advisor since 2021, formally, and then Carney calls a snap election after being a prime minister.
00:03:57.100 And essentially, they bait and swapped us for Trudeau to Carney. And so our elections at this point, at least for the last two, have been exercises in avoiding democratic accountability. And this is now where we're at here.
00:04:15.260 And so there's tons of different scandals as well throughout all of that with those elections, whether it be recounts that are the mathematical equivalent of going in the Liberals' favor to winning the lottery seven times in a row.
00:04:33.360 uh there's also other aspects where there was 120 000 ballots that weren't counted there was the
00:04:40.920 terabon riding where one uh ballot by was that was supposed to be for the bloc quebec law
00:04:49.060 wasn't registered because the elections canada was making mistakes on the mail-in ballots the
00:04:57.100 addresses right the addresses i remember that and that one vote that didn't get counted which was
00:05:02.440 legitimate would have switched it and so obviously that was one of the part of the by-election
00:05:06.860 but just across the board there's about 50 to 100 different scandals in the last 10 years that
00:05:13.300 should any single one of them on their own 50 to 100 yeah is realistic for sure there's dozens and
00:05:20.940 dozens that i've read about and all the all the perfect examples that you just gave doesn't even
00:05:26.200 include the floor crossers which is i think the most recent and most egregious example of i don't 1.00
00:05:34.120 know canada has become some north african country where run by some guy in a red beret you know what 1.00
00:05:41.160 i mean like if you think of the stereotypical warlord that like no matter where your ballot
00:05:45.640 goes the guy in the red beret and the big sunglasses like wins every time because it
00:05:50.440 doesn't matter who you vote for like they decide who you get and it feels like that's where we're
00:05:54.920 out for sure especially especially with the floor crossings too and even 75 there was a recent poll
00:06:01.820 done by angus reed where 75 of canadians believe that if somebody crosses the floor that there
00:06:07.220 should be an immediate by-election triggered obviously that's not the case um and this idea
00:06:13.060 too because you'll hear liberal party defenders say things like well people vote for the individual
00:06:21.280 and that individual even carney said this afterwards those individuals are still voting
00:06:25.560 with their conscience and so there you're you're still being represented by who you you elected
00:06:31.180 and it's like it's not true uh party discipline in canada is 99.6 percent of the time mps vote
00:06:38.360 with their party and that's actually baked into our entire system is because the whole idea of
00:06:43.520 confidence is that if you don't have uh unity within the party then you don't have confidence
00:06:49.680 in the party or its leader.
00:06:52.300 And so voting with the party
00:06:54.520 is baked into Canada's system.
00:06:57.440 And so how can you tell me
00:06:59.660 that somebody switching parties
00:07:00.900 is now going to go vote
00:07:02.020 nearly 100% of the time
00:07:04.180 with that other party
00:07:05.620 that this is their conscience?
00:07:07.340 It's not.
00:07:08.260 Do you think that it should be a feature
00:07:10.420 or a bug,
00:07:11.920 whoever you want to look at it,
00:07:12.820 of the Canadian system?
00:07:15.240 Like, should we be able to do that
00:07:16.960 without triggering?
00:07:17.640 Like, they're not breaking any rules,
00:07:19.100 technically by doing this i think it's a joke i think you should have to at minimum become
00:07:24.700 an independent or or the by-election or whatever like you should know you should not just be able
00:07:28.940 to switch teams without some kind of consequence or or election or repercussion what like what are
00:07:33.740 your thoughts on this oh yeah i think i think especially in canada we need to rethink the
00:07:39.980 entire government structure uh even down to our charter is obviously isn't good enough if what we
00:07:49.340 watched over the last five years happened even things like the freedom convoy all right they
00:07:54.460 invoke the emergencies act to completely quash it it's deemed unconstitutional nothing happens
00:08:02.700 but even to like a book that you put on my radar that i ended up reading uh by andrew coin right
00:08:08.620 the crisis of Canadian democracy, even CBC reporters are looking at it going, there is
00:08:15.460 structural issues with the Canadian democracy. And it doesn't even, to me, that issue isn't
00:08:23.400 partisan, because it even comes down to elections. So for instance, we all think that our votes all
00:08:30.820 count equally. Well, if I'm voting in a riding that has 300,000 people, then my vote is worth
00:08:36.760 one in 300,000. If I live in a writing where there's 10,000 people, then my vote is one in
00:08:42.700 10,000. And so it's completely off weighted depending where you are. And so that's why I
00:08:48.160 think at least I am a little bit of a realist in the sense where I think this is how democracy
00:08:53.960 actually functions. I think it always has been this way. I think things have always been extremely
00:09:00.000 shady. And we're just now because of the mass amount of information we have access to, we're
00:09:05.760 learning that it's functioning this way so i don't think it's necessarily that we're losing losing it
00:09:10.640 but when it comes to that general idea of the average person on the street what they conceive
00:09:18.880 of as democracy this isn't it yeah no i agree with everything you just said um i think we're at a
00:09:26.240 point now where it's about to sort of tip in one direction or the other and i have my own thoughts
00:09:32.840 about Carney and whatnot and his book and everything that's we're run by a central banker
00:09:38.600 who believes in digital currencies and the places that that can go and how we're cozying up to China
00:09:43.360 at a rate that's kind of unprecedented um like where do you think this is going to go like if I
00:09:49.080 forecast five years 10 years out on the trajectory that we're on assuming nothing changes or little
00:09:54.360 changes where like what what path do you see us on or where do you see us ending up well I think
00:10:00.200 geopolitically just around the entire world we're seeing lines reshifted because
00:10:07.440 forgive me while i do about a hundred year history here uh before world war ii it was a
00:10:14.680 multipolar world there was many different superpowers that no one superpower could rule
00:10:19.620 them all to say right they was you'd have your frances your uk your russia and so on japan at
00:10:26.700 that time as well, America. And so power on a global scale was dispersed between many different
00:10:34.000 actors. After World War II, we entered a bipolar world between America and the Soviet Union. You
00:10:41.640 had two major empires on the world stage and all other nations fell under essentially the authority
00:10:47.820 of one of those. It was pick a side or... Who were on the same side at that time, by the way,
00:10:52.240 right history or watch the standing ovation of the ukrainian nazi right not realizing that russia
00:10:59.100 and u.s were on the same team in that war and that's that's actually why i think to america
00:11:03.820 decided to and this is just pure speculation on my end but i think that was part of the calculation
00:11:09.300 when it came to dropping the atomic bombs on japan was looking at it going like we want to
00:11:14.400 send a message to the people we know that we're about to take an adversarial stance across and be
00:11:19.340 we are still the big dogs. But then after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991, we entered a
00:11:27.860 unipolar moment for the first time in human history where there was just one superpower,
00:11:33.500 America, on the world stage that could essentially dictate whatever they wanted in terms of foreign
00:11:39.000 policy. There was nobody powerful enough to stand up to them until China started escalating.
00:11:44.880 And then they started to challenge essentially American hegemony on a global scale.
00:11:52.620 And now we're starting to see as well that world fracture more and more.
00:11:57.320 And we're heading back into a multipolar world where you do have, you see Russia trying to make a play for, to essentially have its sphere, carve out its sphere of influence in Eastern Europe.
00:12:08.760 That's what the Ukraine war was.
00:12:10.220 you're seeing China start eyeing Taiwan and these other Asian nations you're seeing Trump try to
00:12:17.760 essentially close off North America to the entire world whether that be through Panama and Greenland
00:12:23.560 in established American dominance in the western hemisphere and so to circle back to your original
00:12:28.840 question about where does Canada go I don't think Canada gets to decide its future as much as
00:12:36.440 depending how things shake out with those superpowers will decide who canada essentially
00:12:44.300 falls under in terms of like a middle power essentially who their biggest ally is i kind of
00:12:49.780 agree that we're kind of waiting on the sidelines to see who's victorious in a very sort of
00:12:53.940 switzerland moment of we're gonna yeah we're gonna go with whoever ends up being the victor
00:12:59.020 um that was really interesting you said some stuff earlier too before we got into this and
00:13:04.360 we went down a lot of holes about the sort of the igo role in it since world war ii as well like
00:13:09.620 all these international government organizations that are uh these fractures they seem to be
00:13:15.280 benefiting from these fractures do you think that this is plan like do you think this is some sort
00:13:19.800 of master puppeteer act causing these fractures or is this a byproduct of the instability that
00:13:26.500 the world's always seen that we kind of would end up here and now people are trying to capitalize
00:13:29.900 on it or maybe some combination of that the way that i always put it is like i think people in
00:13:37.280 certain power centers have plans that doesn't mean everything goes according to plan um but i do think
00:13:45.260 that there are multiple different blocks like for instance the ccp is is a massive block then you
00:13:51.860 have the international organizations like the un and the who and the wef and they're starting to i
00:13:58.860 think panic because now that america is pulling away from those under trump they're starting to
00:14:04.800 realize that their entire leverage is gone like you don't have an enforcement mechanism as a on
00:14:10.640 the international stage if you don't have america behind your back um and so i think all of these
00:14:17.220 different factions are trying to push things in a beneficial way for for their power base
00:14:25.760 um but what we see unfold in reality is like the essentially the sum total if they're on the
00:14:33.380 opposite side of the uh the equal sign with all of the different uh the mathematical equations
00:14:39.580 then what we see and what we think of as reality is on the other side of this is all of these
00:14:45.360 different plays coming together and that's what we see is largely feels like chaos yeah definitely
00:14:51.800 since 2020. I don't think I woke up to much of, if not really any of this and the role that Canada
00:14:58.380 had or any of these other powers that you mentioned until the seams started to go in 2020,
00:15:05.940 at least working in the intelligence environment and kind of seeing that a lot of the things that
00:15:10.220 were going on didn't make any sense logically or sort of practically. Why are we doing these
00:15:16.420 decisions? They don't really seem to benefit the country. And then it's like, oh, of course,
00:15:19.660 it was never meant to it's meant to benefit the few who are able to sort of enforce them
00:15:23.500 um and like full tinfoil hat you know what i mean the hong kong protests in 2019 all of a sudden
00:15:29.540 there's a huge virus that makes the whole country like there's so many things there's so many threads
00:15:33.560 to tug on uh it's almost sort of a never-ending rabbit hole of of um conspiracy theory nonsense
00:15:40.300 and like one of my favorite sayings is the difference between a conspiracy theory and the
00:15:43.900 truth is about six months yeah um so now we're looking at this iran situation and all of the
00:15:51.500 supply chain implications of that i'm there's there's countries in asia europe uh sort of all
00:15:59.080 over the i'm sure parts of africa i can't name any specifically but now there's they're rationing
00:16:04.580 gasoline and oil because these they're the supply has been severely diminished like where do you see
00:16:09.800 this going and is this is this part of the overall sort of plan or is this just another byproduct of
00:16:15.600 this chaos no i think i think it's a byproduct of chaos mostly um like for instance i think that
00:16:25.400 the green energy and the net zero push was a psyop by china on western nations because if you look at 0.52
00:16:34.660 china they're completely dependent like they've got yes they they do produce power through uh 0.93
00:16:41.860 solar through wind they're going on that push um even to their they're building more and more coal
00:16:47.780 plants but if you look at from a nation building in a nation strategic geopolitical scale there are
00:16:58.420 are certain things that are highly important and one of those is energy and so if you could weaken
00:17:05.140 these other nations by getting them to essentially commit energy suicide then that's massively 1.00
00:17:12.500 beneficial if you're china but i do think that we are now being forced into a world where these 0.95
00:17:19.460 countries realize that it's not practical um the ev stuff and the solar and wind um it's not going
00:17:30.980 to be enough to power your manufacturing base if you need to create tanks to roll off to because
00:17:36.900 we're more and more conflict is is happening and so i think reality is going to smack a lot of those
00:17:42.500 delusional policies in the face um that doesn't mean i don't think that the people in charge might
00:17:48.580 be unhappy that those things are going that way um but i do think that they are going to be forced
00:17:54.820 to correct course for sure um i i i don't think it's a coincidence that we are becoming super
00:18:04.260 friendly with china in the middle of all this and now we're just signed a deal to i believe it's
00:18:09.700 import or manufacture their ebs here like i had a long conversation with gary clement some of it
00:18:15.780 it on camera, some of it off, but even on camera, he was saying using Chinese technology, uh, within
00:18:22.600 our border is begging for espionage. Like there's no way that these devices are going to come here
00:18:28.820 with the super advanced tech and everything that goes into an EV, like Tesla, for example, you
00:18:33.120 know what I mean? And the ones that are coming out of China are just as, if not more advanced and
00:18:36.680 even more affordable to appeal to more people. We're going to be sitting around, driving around
00:18:41.960 in literal spy boxes you know what i mean they're probably listening to everything we say and coming
00:18:47.640 from an intelligence background that breeds a certain level of paranoia for me especially from
00:18:51.960 the cyber side like i do not see a way that this goes well for canadians and it's really hard for me
00:18:59.160 as a rational adult to identify anything other than sort of malice behind these decisions like
00:19:07.080 Like how many mistakes can someone make in a row with a policy or an idea until it becomes, okay, I don't think this person has our best interest in mind.
00:19:15.980 There's something more to this.
00:19:18.280 And I don't know exactly what your thoughts are on all that, but I become more and more sort of weary and skeptical and paranoid sort of by the day as this stuff goes on. 0.92
00:19:27.760 I don't think it's a good idea to bring Chinese EVs here, not because, you know what I mean, of Chinese technology is any inferior.
00:19:34.340 i think it's actually probably arguably better maybe some of the stuff i've seen i think it's
00:19:37.700 byd is the company that makes yeah that makes sense like they're amazing from what i've heard 0.99
00:19:42.420 so it's not that i'm trying to crush chinese tech it's like i just don't think it's a good plan to 0.98
00:19:46.740 bring it here um and i guess that those are my thoughts but like do you think that there is
00:19:54.900 there's weight behind any of these arguments like are these are these lifetime sort of gary clement
00:19:59.540 for example lifetime law enforcement guys spend a lot of time you know i mean undercover looking
00:20:03.060 at bad people does that tend to skew decisions to a negative because they've lived these lifestyles
00:20:08.100 or is this a rational reasonable argument to make of the trends that we're seeing and the patterns
00:20:13.780 that are being put together no i think it's very very reasonable and i think our ruling class for
00:20:20.020 sure say the laurentian elite types the the montreal toronto and ottawa across whether it be
00:20:28.100 the business side or the politicians all of this i think they are very very very china friendly
00:20:34.020 they have been especially on the political front back to about the 70s but especially in the 90s
00:20:40.340 uh the canadian businesses started going very heavily into the chinese market and
00:20:48.980 we've always been opening ourselves up even back in the 90s there was the very controversial
00:20:55.540 Sidewinder report where CSIS and the RCMP collaborated and agreed that yes, China is
00:21:04.020 using every inch of business that we give them in order to create more and more geopolitical
00:21:10.540 leverage over Canada and essentially play a long game over the decades to have more and more
00:21:16.660 influence. Mao even once said, we've now got a friend in America's backyard. That's what they've
00:21:21.940 always looked at it as for China. He's referring to Trudeau's dad. Yeah. Yeah. But he was also
00:21:28.360 just talking about Canada in general, that Canada is now very friendly. And that was obviously
00:21:34.540 happened under Pierre Trudeau led the charge on that. I believe Canada was the first under Pierre
00:21:40.640 Trudeau to recognize the PRC as a legitimate government in the world. And so I think these
00:21:47.960 are very, very reasonable, especially when you take into consideration China's motives. They 0.57
00:21:53.220 openly state that they want to be the dominant world superpower by 2049. They look at what
00:21:59.560 happened throughout the 1800s with, say, Britain taking control of places like Hong Kong and the
00:22:09.360 opium wars and that devastated China back in the day. They look at this as a way to essentially
00:22:16.640 get payback on the West for the embarrassment that we put China through in the 1800s. And so
00:22:22.940 I don't think that any of this is just general economic calculus in terms of, oh, it's good for
00:22:29.980 business, it's good for your business and blah, blah, blah. I think there is on the opposite end,
00:22:34.780 especially coming from China, I think there's a very strategic purpose for all of it.
00:22:39.540 And it crosses the aisle too. It's often at least portrayed by, I shouldn't say often,
00:22:45.720 but i've seen it portrayed many times as a liberal issue but this this crosses like we've had a couple
00:22:51.400 conservative governments that have done as much or more you know what i mean their ability like
00:22:56.280 under harper for instance to uh reduce barriers you know what i mean in trade and making business
00:23:02.920 more appetizing here for them and um the more and more that i read about this and how many names
00:23:08.200 keep being redacted from all these reports of folks that are insiders that are directly benefiting
00:23:14.040 from this and then asking to expose it like cesus i think it was side one to report that cesus made
00:23:21.240 that was that sort of embarrassed ottawa and was essentially buried in the column commission i
00:23:25.880 believe was after that and it's just it's time after time people uh and and the folks at cesus
00:23:31.320 as much as um i i may have uh brought up some of their deficits in the past on different podcasts
00:23:38.120 especially with gary but some of the folks a lot of the folks that are doing really good work and
00:23:42.680 they're able and they're sort of doing it with handcuffs on because the moment they sort of
00:23:47.640 their intelligence gathering and their expertise quite literally and what they're
00:23:52.200 they're best at doing is exposing some of these these these loopholes that are being exploited
00:23:57.400 and the individuals responsible they're just they're just uh muzzled and then nothing comes
00:24:02.520 of it and it's like well why are we doing this why do these organizations exist if to just do nothing
00:24:08.040 and then more or less embarrass the people that release it and then they kind of have to quietly
00:24:11.880 resign or take a payout and kind of go away. This has happened multiple times over the last couple
00:24:17.640 decades. And to me, it's as a former member of the military, as a Canadian, as again, like a
00:24:23.700 rational adult, this seems this trend is concerning. And finding your channel and meeting
00:24:31.220 you and John last year and doing your show, like super inspired me to come out and say the things
00:24:37.060 that I did on your show and then now since then. So thank you very much for that. It was really
00:24:40.760 cool to to sort of relive this last year you know what i mean kind of on my own side of the camera
00:24:46.360 um maybe i'm rambling a little bit no no but uh i i like i agree with everything you just said
00:24:52.680 and your ability to recall details is impressive and it's it just seems like there's way too many
00:24:58.280 things going on at the same time for this to be a coincidence and i don't really know how
00:25:03.720 we sort of steer out of it other than identifying it and trying to find some level of accountability
00:25:09.160 do you think there will be any like going back to the winnipeg lab incident like the stuff just goes
00:25:14.600 away and nobody really ends up going to jail nobody ends up losing their job there's like
00:25:19.240 really nobody ends up doing really anything negative minus the people who actually did the
00:25:23.480 work and then are sort of quietly told to leave and then their careers kind of destroyed do you
00:25:29.080 think we'll see accountability do you think this is ever going to see daylight i don't think we'll
00:25:33.800 ever see accountability in the sense that we want to see accountability like i the amount that i know
00:25:40.600 about the canadian political class at this point like nothing would ever feel truly justified until
00:25:48.600 i see people behind bars i don't think that's going to happen though i don't think that's
00:25:53.080 that's very realistic but that's my level of accountability is like i could probably
00:25:57.320 50 to 100 names off the top of my head of these people deserve to be in jail mine too
00:26:03.640 that's where i go with that but on the other side i don't think our trajectory is set in stone
00:26:09.400 because even as i was mentioning and i don't i don't think this is a certainty but let's say
00:26:15.400 america is successful in carving out the north american hemisphere and nothing happens on this
00:26:22.280 side of the world essentially going back to the monroe doctrine which was pre-world war one area
00:26:28.520 which that was like official american establishment of we have a line that we do not cross we don't
00:26:36.760 get involved at all in your foreign conflicts um but you come across this line and start
00:26:42.840 messing with things over here like we're gonna get pretty uh pretty pretty forceful pretty quickly
00:26:48.680 And so if they reestablish that doctrine and take complete control over North America, let's say they do end up making a move on Greenland and you have all of these shipping routes, then at that point, who Canada wants to trade with isn't really up for debate.
00:27:09.880 It's who does America allow us to trade with, because even as you're seeing it right now with, say, the Strait of Hormuz, right, if Iran or America, now they're both trying to close it down and stuff, but they can make a point.
00:27:25.700 If you control that geographical area, you go, it doesn't matter whether China wants oil from a Middle Eastern country or not.
00:27:31.900 If you can't get it through this area, you don't get it.
00:27:34.960 And so I think something similar could happen in North America when it comes to Canada. And so, yeah, our class definitely wants to get cozier and cozier with China. But if America can seal this off and just go, no, you don't, then we don't have a choice. And so that's maybe a silver lining is that maybe our hand will just get forced. 0.92
00:27:56.600 um forced in what way just in the sense where let's say it's even ev manufacturing in
00:28:04.880 you know canada manufacturing chinese evs well if america doesn't allow that that stuff to flow
00:28:13.820 through their waterways into canada then our decision to make a deal with china doesn't matter
00:28:18.960 if we can't actually fulfill our end of the deal because i think that's that's what you're going
00:28:24.080 to see happen over the next couple of years is essentially spheres of influence being carved by
00:28:29.480 superpowers, namely Russia, China, and America. And anything that happens in that zone is up to
00:28:36.340 one of those superpowers. It doesn't matter whether a middle power from Eastern Europe wants 0.98
00:28:40.860 to trade with a middle power in North America being Canada, it's whether America or Russia
00:28:46.300 will let it happen. And so that's the way the world has always worked up until the international
00:28:52.180 uh level after post post world war ii where we did kind of try to globalize everything but
00:29:00.080 that would we're very much reverting from that and so i think we're going back to the old ways
00:29:05.460 yeah that makes sense i i want to mention something i forgot to mention a few minutes ago
00:29:11.620 with regard to the espionage stuff um when i first got placed into my role as a as a
00:29:18.980 cyber intelligence analyst, one of the first stories that I was told to read up on and become
00:29:23.640 quite familiar with because of quite literally it's fell within my bailiwick was the infinitely
00:29:29.680 brilliant decision by D&D to move their headquarters from 101 Colonel Bai, which is right next to the
00:29:36.120 Rideau Centre Mall, sort of in downtown Ottawa near Parliament, to Carling Campus, which is the
00:29:42.060 next Nortel building. And for those not familiar with what happened to Nortel is Huawei, a Chinese
00:29:48.460 company had hacked into their networks to steal ip through uh remote uh cyber means but also
00:29:56.700 plate somehow physically placed actual listening devices inside the building to eavesdrop and
00:30:05.500 again literally steal information steal passwords whatever they were doing
00:30:08.940 uh and then the canadian military leadership decided that we should move top secret conversations
00:30:14.620 into this building that had been already compromised
00:30:18.760 to the point of where Nortel no longer exists
00:30:22.080 and was Chapter 11, you know what I mean,
00:30:23.780 because all their IP was stored.
00:30:24.820 Which is so crazy to think about
00:30:26.240 because Nortel at one point had 70%
00:30:29.420 of the world's telecommunications,
00:30:31.940 essentially information going through Nortel.
00:30:34.440 They were the dominant world leader in that space
00:30:38.900 and then completely wiped off the map.
00:30:42.160 And yet immediately afterwards,
00:30:43.560 you see in a very short period of time and then you see Huawei take over and with very similar
00:30:48.840 technologies take over that entire market share and yeah so very much that was definitely a thing
00:30:54.880 so so for anybody who thinks that um my tinfoil hat is too big or it's on too tight or whatever
00:31:00.060 there there is reason to have caution here at minimum if not you know what I mean
00:31:06.320 be very aware of and prepare for nefarious intent because it's it it's already been done and the
00:31:13.400 best predictor of future behavior is past behavior it's the entire basis of our legal system you know
00:31:19.500 what i mean when someone is when someone is accused of a crime one of the first things that
00:31:24.280 the attorney will do on the prosecuting side is bring up the the criminal if there is one past of
00:31:28.920 this person they've done x number of break-in-enters before and they're being charged and you know i
00:31:33.960 mean uh on in court for a break and enter it's like well there's 11 convictions in the past you
00:31:38.820 So maybe we should, maybe this is not more than it seems, and this is exactly what it looks like.
00:31:43.940 So I'm not, nothing is universally true.
00:31:46.000 I don't accept anything like that at face value.
00:31:47.760 There's always nuance and gray, but these are huge events that sort of shaped my understanding and essentially the way, and part of my career too in the intelligence space is I went into the cyber, the cyber realm of reading and learning about how much effect a country could have without having to physically place anything, without ever even setting foot in that
00:32:08.800 country just using the unbelievable ability of fifth generation warfare hybrid warfare to
00:32:14.320 have mass psyop influence operation campaigns to um i i just i just heard about forgive me i'm
00:32:23.400 gonna go off on a little bit of it because i think i didn't think this was real i thought
00:32:27.360 this was hype and i didn't think it actually happened but i heard a true story of someone
00:32:32.780 confessed to me just yesterday that there is a canadian child um that i am now aware of who
00:32:41.940 identifies as a cat in a middle school aged uh child that identifies as a cat who has now been
00:32:49.680 given a litter box behind a curtain to do bathroom business in uh within the school like this so that
00:32:58.420 the school is accepting of this to some degree i guess the parents are accepting or encouraging
00:33:03.280 this and like i thought this was kind of just meant to spool people up and those everyone
00:33:08.200 kind of heard of those stories but this is actually happening this sort of suicidal empathy i think
00:33:14.060 it's called of where people just go along to get along until we get ourselves here do you think
00:33:19.560 that we can correct this ship like where is this this this this this child is a couple years out
00:33:24.940 of high school like i don't know hopefully this is a face and this is not doing this to any sort
00:33:30.100 of long-term you know what i mean degree but we're at a point now where the the psyop campaign
00:33:35.420 influence has reached children and is quite literally brain rotting them to believe that this
00:33:40.080 is not only the right thing to do but potentially necessary for their development or whatever however
00:33:45.740 they justify it in their minds uh like where do you think this is going and how like how far down
00:33:51.620 the path of this are we i think ideas function very much like viruses in the sense where they
00:33:59.540 mutate and they attack and they spread they're contagious and so even too when it comes to these
00:34:06.580 kind of things there's that great joker line in in the dark knight where he says uh madness is
00:34:12.180 like gravity all it takes is a little push and so i think the original not everything has to be
00:34:18.660 a psyop it's like the initial push is the psyop everything just starts rolling from there uh and
00:34:24.820 then you just very much like if somebody had a biological warfare it's like once you release
00:34:30.740 the virus that does everything itself after that and so same thing how i see a lot of these these
00:34:36.880 ideas that are attacking the kids especially there is some silver linings to stuff like that too which
00:34:44.520 is hilarious to think about so uh i can even double down on this the the public school i went
00:34:51.140 to i recently got word that there was up to 20 different uh they call them furries people that
00:34:56.360 identify as as animals uh kids 20 20 and this is a school of like when i was there it was only 120
00:35:02.980 kids so like we're talking a large portion of them but my sister and i were laughing about it 0.98
00:35:09.180 because the teachers are so stupid where they think well we're you know allowing these kids 0.99
00:35:14.780 to be expressive and be their true selves and then my sister's laughing about the fact that 1.00
00:35:20.620 the kids are telling her kids like just pretend to be like one and they'll let you do whatever
00:35:25.740 you want you don't actually have to even do your school work you can just come over here and play
00:35:29.580 and like so for them it's not even a real identity they've just realized well if i pretend to be this
00:35:34.620 thing you let me do what i want i don't have to do this boring classwork anymore and so like the
00:35:40.460 kids are outsmarting the teachers uh but i think there are some too where it's definitely very real
00:35:47.420 um but i think we will it's really a question of whether we'll develop just like a virus whether
00:35:58.060 will develop an immune response to it. Luckily, I do think that the transgender and the more 1.00
00:36:06.040 outlandish stuff like this was a breaking point because all of the social, like, this is a good 1.00
00:36:13.180 way to break it down into exactly what we're saying on a geopolitical level, is that the
00:36:20.080 Marxists, so the communists in the middle of the 20th century, they realized that Western workers
00:36:26.920 weren't able to be radicalized because their life was pretty good it's pretty hard to get people to
00:36:32.280 take up arms against their government if they've got a wife kids house everything's going great
00:36:37.480 they can put food on the table it's like you can't radicalize those people and so what the
00:36:43.260 marxist intellectuals did especially coming out of the frankfurt school at that time they said
00:36:48.200 well okay we need to change our we need to rethink who the proletariat is because it's not the
00:36:53.720 working class anymore and so what they decided was well we can start going after different 0.54
00:36:59.120 cultural groups that we can convince them they're marginalized and then those can become our
00:37:04.440 revolutionaries those can be the people that we get to take up arms and so that's when you started
00:37:09.060 seeing you see so much like even the black panther movement down in the states uh was led largely
00:37:17.840 there was multiple leaders but you had figures like angela davis who was working uh who's being
00:37:23.600 mentored by Herbert Marcuse, who was one of the guys that was coming up of that concept of we
00:37:28.460 need a new proletariat. And so all of these different social groups, whether it be the trans
00:37:35.600 stuff, whether it be the BLM stuff, whether it be the feminist movement in the late 2000s,
00:37:43.140 or sorry, early 2000s, all of this stuff was very much like Marxist fuel for revolutions.
00:37:51.180 and i think the transgender push was the breaking line for a lot of people like you go talk to the
00:37:59.640 average person now they do understand even if they're not courageous enough to speak up against 0.54
00:38:05.760 it if you get them in private the average person is like this is insane um so i do think that is
00:38:13.040 a good aspect of that we've kind of broken that that line of what people will accept whether they
00:38:19.560 will say they don't accept it that's another question yeah there definitely needs to be more
00:38:24.660 folks willing to not necessarily speak out but at least have their voice heard amongst their
00:38:30.720 small community because like that's where the change will be affected if parents start you
00:38:35.960 know what i mean having these conversations and then community groups having these conversation
00:38:39.560 and then towns are getting like all those it has to start somewhere so um another thing i wanted to
00:38:46.060 bring up uh that i that i i think is relevant here too is um the guns the gun grab stuff here
00:38:53.820 that's got so i had a conversation with a career rcmp guy 20 years in kind of thing uh and i i had
00:39:01.680 to ask him what what's your take you know i mean it's like you guys are the ones in theory that
00:39:07.160 are expected to go kind of door to door to be collecting roughly 2 million guns from cans like
00:39:12.500 it's logistically it's an absolute gong show i don't know how or when this is going to happen
00:39:17.300 but it's it seems kind of like a joke but the the the morale or the the interpretation of this by
00:39:27.120 the uniform members that are going to be expected to do this is it is like absolute it's absolutely
00:39:32.460 horrifying like they all think it's insane almost none of them agree like according to my source
00:39:37.760 right so this is again take this for what it's worth but a career person with lots of time in
00:39:42.560 who's had a knows many people uh in the service and it's like but when i when i pose the question
00:39:49.120 how many of these members are willing to say something you know what i mean who's willing to
00:39:54.400 push back or say you know i mean kind of sir no no no one in my platoon no one in this
00:39:59.120 in this detachment whatever is going to be going along with this we all think this is kind of a
00:40:02.080 a joke it's about zero so you have this massive wave of people pushing back who don't believe in
00:40:09.440 this think it's criminally inept and has no traction and shouldn't be action by any stretch
00:40:15.720 of the imagination but are willing to still do it for fear of being part of the out group you know
00:40:23.440 i mean or career implications or obviously financial implications that come with that
00:40:26.820 like this is something to me that is very reminiscent of the covet era which is so
00:40:31.760 recent in all of our memories that everybody just kind of wanted to go along and get along
00:40:36.080 get however many shots they tell you like i was cowardly enough to do the same thing so it's like
00:40:40.740 i don't know where this goes but if we start having rcmp members knocking on your door to
00:40:46.900 collect guns that they don't think is a good idea but they're just going along with it anyway i think
00:40:50.960 we're very close to if not already at a point of no return like this is like when you've convinced
00:40:57.020 the people who are supposed to be protecting you law-abiding citizen like law law-abiding gun
00:41:02.580 owners like nobody bought the not saying nobody buys guns illegally but the people that have
00:41:07.240 registered firearms have done so through legal means and that's why they're registered and they
00:41:11.580 are correlate with an address that this cop will show up to once they start being confiscated for
00:41:16.540 essentially no reason it's such a small fraction i think it's less than five percent of gun crime
00:41:20.500 it's done by registered gun. It's like, it's nothing statistically. So anyway, having a
00:41:27.460 conversation with this RCMP member, hearing that everyone thinks it's a joke and then, oh yeah, 0.67
00:41:31.580 but they're all still going to do it is super disturbing to me, especially coming from a
00:41:36.300 background of military and law enforcement. And like, there's got to be somewhere in the sand
00:41:40.820 that we draw the line. And I think that we're so conditioned as Canadians to just sort of like,
00:41:46.920 this is what we're told to do and we're going to go and do it it just it doesn't it seems very sort
00:41:51.580 of un-canadian but at the same time still towing the line of what it means to be canadian like we
00:41:56.880 don't want to make any we don't want to make any waves we just gonna like i don't know if you have
00:42:01.880 a take on this maybe that's just kind of my diatribe but this is information i came to like
00:42:05.320 within the last 48 hours of having this conversation and i and i'm like i'm stunned i don't know what
00:42:10.080 because i don't want to ream out this person for giving me good intel kind of thing like we're
00:42:14.200 having a good conversation but how do i how do other than being on the show with you how does
00:42:19.920 somebody push back against any of this like what like where where does this end i don't see this
00:42:25.020 everything's trending in a way that's quite quite scary yeah i do i do think just as an individual
00:42:32.620 level and this is why i started speaking out about this stuff years ago especially you know during
00:42:37.640 the height of COVID era was because I realized that it's just it's a dominoes falling thing and
00:42:45.000 that first it's like actually to put it into into military terms it's like it's really hard to
00:42:50.680 break formation that's what it's for but once you've got that initial crack in the formation
00:42:56.940 then things can start to fall apart very quickly and so that's where I look at it where
00:43:02.100 that you've got people that are solidified into these positions where yeah okay it's my uh my
00:43:08.340 career i've got my pension coming up in five five months and nobody wants to be that first person
00:43:13.340 to take that hit but then all it takes is for one person to essentially crack that formation
00:43:19.580 and then things do start to go from there but it's who's going to be the first is the big question
00:43:26.080 And like, even on a personal level with friends and family, like I've had people come up to me now, uh, in, you know, say like, you know, even if we're just having dinner with somebody, I'm, I'm more comfortable saying, I think something is wrong now, whatever, just because I've been able to see you do it.
00:43:42.260 These aren't even conversations I'm having with those people saying like, you need to stick up for your beliefs more, but they just see me stick up for what I believe and then are more inspired to do so. And so that's because I don't think there's an institutional or like a policy you can put in place, especially in the meantime, to get rid of that and that issue.
00:44:04.920 but on a ground level you can actually try to break that formation and so that's really what
00:44:11.560 it's going to take is do people is there enough people with a backbone that are willing to
00:44:15.900 crack that formation so we'll see i don't have a ton of faith in that like if i can if i go back
00:44:22.860 to covet as an example there was a number of toronto officers and peel officers and and just
00:44:28.520 kind of that's the an auto officers that i've just just the ones that i knew personally being
00:44:32.920 exposed to that world and knowing them either before or sort of after that event had happened
00:44:37.600 and a number of people did sort of make their voice heard and they did come out and say
00:44:41.400 they don't agree with this or i'm not enforcing this whatever and like almost all those people
00:44:46.160 were let go so they experienced quite significant you know what i mean uh side effects and
00:44:51.920 consequences to their action of having a spine and finding a spine um so i think that precedent
00:44:57.680 among many other reasons or psychological you know what i mean incentives or disincentives
00:45:03.720 are causing people to like know that or at least believe that if they choose to do what they believe
00:45:10.820 is the right thing it's going to negatively affect them and i think that based on how many
00:45:15.360 specifically tps officers i knew whose careers were ruined i think that's enough of a fear-based
00:45:21.280 motive for people to just keep their mouth shut i i i completely agree and what i would say to
00:45:27.360 those people that are afraid and want to keep their mouth shut is the idea that you will be
00:45:33.080 able to skirt these consequences for long enough. Like eventually it's going to come for you as
00:45:38.860 well. And all right, what's your, what's your option? Sure. You don't say anything. You comply,
00:45:44.680 you fall in line, you follow the orders and you get to keep your job. Maybe you're materially,
00:45:51.320 you don't take any negative effect from it, but you know that you're a coward and your mind will 0.92
00:45:56.940 torment you for the rest of your life like that's your decision it's not oh i say something and then 0.55
00:46:03.140 i might have consequences it's like there's consequences to not saying something as well
00:46:08.300 you get to pick your consequence um and so mine was i would rather i have lost work because of
00:46:15.940 what i do i have faced massive social issues um and so i would but my trade-off is i would rather
00:46:24.620 have the side of my conscience so that when I go to bed at night, I'm not sitting there trying to
00:46:29.660 talk myself out of the fact that I'm a coward. Uh, and that to me is worth more than a paycheck.
00:46:35.980 Yeah. I think that you're the outlier there for sure. I think that the way that you conduct
00:46:42.060 yourself and your belief system is, um, above average, we'll say, and like how much it's above
00:46:48.440 average is hard to say. I think it's a lot. And the, the, the cowardly piece of living with that
00:46:53.720 decision uh hits home with me because of the decision that i had to make in 2021 and then i
00:46:59.160 ended up making something that i absolutely did not believe and thought was complete bs while i
00:47:03.700 was literally while i was doing it but was more of not afraid but just so believing that i worked
00:47:13.500 so didn't want to give up you know what i mean all the work that i'd put in to be where i was and
00:47:18.480 then deciding that i was just gonna do this uh just go along to get along kind of thing and then
00:47:25.520 now the consequences that i'm living with on top of the psychological you know what i mean
00:47:31.380 consequences of of uh making the decision that i made is the the some probably and potentially
00:47:38.800 allegedly will say some of the physical problems that i that i have and like the literal pain that
00:47:44.300 i now have to live with as like there was just a cascading number of health problems that happened
00:47:47.720 immediately but of course it's safe and effective so that definitely didn't happen but um yeah man
00:47:53.020 like you that so that piece that you said there is very it's very close to home for me because
00:47:58.240 that calculus i had decided sort of quickly in that moment being called out go here go get this
00:48:03.120 right now kind of thing i hadn't really done any of that it was more of just like well looking
00:48:08.200 around the room of everybody doing it like you have to do this thing now so and hey it's the
00:48:13.360 same boat for me in the sense where i got the first shot and it was because of social pressure
00:48:20.640 i didn't want to um i didn't know i wasn't necessarily as strong against it at that point
00:48:27.000 i didn't pay as much attention to these things at that time um but i didn't i was just coming
00:48:35.520 at it from the aspect of i didn't feel one way or another about the the shot itself but i just
00:48:42.100 thought I'm very healthy. I'm an endurance runner. My cardiovascular system is like 99th percentile.
00:48:49.540 Uh, I'm not afraid of, of a cold essentially at this point. Um, so even if this thing is safe and
00:48:57.700 effective, it's safe and effective for something I don't need. Um, and so that was where my mind
00:49:02.940 was at. And, but I did cave to the social pressure, uh, friends pushed me into getting it
00:49:09.740 and i got the first one and i felt very similar as as soon as i walked out of there i was like i
00:49:16.240 can't believe i just did something that i felt was very wrong i felt i could immediately start
00:49:22.900 to feel the self-judgment of going against my own beliefs and then i'm that was my hard line
00:49:29.960 i walked i walked into the house that day i said hey guys uh just a heads up won't be doing any
00:49:34.940 more of those uh no hard feelings don't uh I don't want to argue you guys about this but like
00:49:41.700 just just no not no I'm not moving another inch in that direction and they received it well like
00:49:49.380 we didn't have any any major blow-ups um but what I will say is that much like that courage that
00:49:58.840 I'm talking about just to speak up and actually say something or to push back when you believe
00:50:04.040 you have to, it's not easy. And I don't think it's something I naturally have, but it's just
00:50:11.620 like weightlifting or running in a sense where it's like that first time you do it is extremely
00:50:16.780 hard, but the more and more you do it, you adapt. And so then you can get to that point where it
00:50:23.540 doesn't actually even feel like you're doing anything courageous because you're just doing
00:50:27.760 the thing um and so i it's very much like that it's not that that first decision to to speak out
00:50:35.160 or to speak your mind uh is definitely the hardest it's that first first time you try to put up that
00:50:41.900 barbell it's going to be the hardest uh but every time you go back after that you'll there's a little
00:50:47.240 progress yeah that's actually a great way of looking at it and then you build and you quite
00:50:51.400 literally build up the tissue through that behavior to make that actually decision easier next time
00:50:57.180 Literally there. So your willpower, there's a center in your brain and I'm not a neuroscientist, so I can't name it, but I've heard even Huberman talk about this, that as you do things that you don't want to do, and they have to be things that you genuinely don't want to do, but that portion of your brain actually grows that is associated with willpower.
00:51:18.880 and so it's like that you can just look at it like exercising the the courageous aspect of
00:51:25.460 just going like okay i'm gonna i'm gonna make one move today in the positive direction and then
00:51:29.960 eventually you can get to the point where you're doing the things that are actually
00:51:33.040 beneficial huberman is so good great i i know exactly what you're i think i listened to the
00:51:39.780 exact show you're talking about and he's yeah he's he's just he's so good at giving advice
00:51:44.520 and breaking it down um man we've already we got an hour already wow that was crazy yeah i didn't
00:51:50.920 i didn't even so liam de boer by the way oh it's my reverse it's my it's my first time don't uh
00:51:58.520 don't hold it against me but um man it's always entertaining to talk to you you have such nuanced
00:52:03.960 and well-thought and well-researched opinions i love watching your stuff online i watch it all
00:52:07.560 the time um in case anyone hasn't seen you or heard of you or whatever like where can they find you
00:52:13.240 where can they see more of the interesting ideas and concepts that you yeah so uh jonathan harvey
00:52:19.640 and myself run blender news which is very canada focused you can find us on pretty much any
00:52:26.520 platform for that uh our weekly podcasts can be found on spotify under the blender report
00:52:34.680 blendr and then on the personal more philosophy psychology side of things the stuff that doesn't
00:52:42.840 fit necessarily into the day-to-day news uh that i do through liam out loud uh same thing on pretty
00:52:49.800 much any channels you can find me there liam out loud instagram facebook yeah instagram facebook
00:52:56.120 x sub stack youtube anywhere anywhere you can find content i find a way to put mine on there
00:53:02.760 attaboy yeah oh no but like formally i said it before i just want to say it again like thank you
00:53:07.640 for inspiring like what it's kind of like what you just said like where you it just takes that
00:53:12.660 one step in that direction which was appearing on your show basically for me and then you asking
00:53:17.620 wicked questions that allowed me to sort of ramble on for close to an hour or whatever it was of all
00:53:22.800 the things that i'd seen there's still a ton more to unpack there and we can definitely do this again
00:53:26.140 but you and and john inspired me to do this and i'm i'm forever thankful and grateful because it's
00:53:33.860 it's really cool to watch people that you know sort of personally um in like we were sort of
00:53:40.340 friends-ish before we did anything kind of quote-unquote professionally and it's like man
00:53:44.520 this is such a good idea and more people need to do that not necessarily speak out on podcasts but
00:53:49.300 just have these conversations and i'm again man super grateful and thankful and love what you
00:53:54.420 guys do and that's the reason i'm here so well thank you for doing what you do because yeah again
00:53:59.520 And that's part of the, that's part of the mission is getting, again, not necessarily getting people to start podcasts or whatever, but just feeling more comfortable to stand their ground and not even necessarily have to go on the offense, but just say, I'm not given another inch.
00:54:15.040 And so that, that means a lot to know that that hit home and that that's at least worked in one direction.
00:54:21.900 So thank you.
00:54:23.040 Yes, sir.
00:54:23.960 Thank you very much, man.
00:54:25.220 Thank you.
00:54:25.720 Cheers.
00:54:29.520 Thank you.