00:07:01.820And Canada and Britain and all those other countries
00:07:05.580went to afghanistan and suffered casualties working with the americans that is how the whole
00:07:11.880concept behind nato was formed right but this is this is not america under attack this is america
00:07:17.540doing something and then asking oh by the way you got to help us well wait a sec that's not how it
00:07:22.120works right right and i think you know it's interesting because not only has he done that
00:07:26.820with nato but he did it was with his own congress right you're supposed to go to congress ask to go
00:07:31.080to war get a war budget all that stuff since obama presidents have kind of bypassed that right
00:07:36.140presidents have now gotten to the point of where they actually uh there's a constitutional issue
00:07:40.660in the u.s yeah on whether or not you have the power to do it and whether you don't how you get
00:07:45.140funding and all that stuff so you know in his case he did similar to what other presidents done he
00:07:49.680just went and asked later and briefed later and did yeah yeah which is causing a challenge with
00:07:54.920nato it's different i agree and nato has it's it's very interesting because article five you
00:08:00.800know i thought i went back and i thought to myself what is article 5 i remember article you know
00:08:05.560during 9 11 uh so i started looking looking through my documents and trying to figure out
00:08:11.620what article 5 was so article 5 has a process right so and the process is very interesting so
00:08:18.920basically when a member is attacked the country attacked brings the situation to the north
00:08:26.540Atlantic Council to NATO, principal political decision-making body. So they basically come
00:08:32.740and they bring it to the Council of NATO, the 32 nations, and they say, we've been attacked.
00:08:38.160They deliberate to see if it qualifies as an armed attack. So there's a process to this.
00:08:44.720It's not just doesn't happen. And they decide what they can do to help.
00:08:48.680Consensus is reached. Yeah. So it has to be unanimous. Right. So it's the 32 nations have
00:08:55.320to agree that basically article five applies and then a single person can block so this is very
00:09:02.820interesting so this and it's very hard to do and then each member at that point can then choose
00:09:08.920uh how they participate right right so because not all of them are as strong not all of them
00:09:16.200have big militaries not all of them have the same resources or have the stomach to send that many
00:09:20.440people over to potentially die or politically yes politically have the thing so then then okay so
00:09:26.780then it gets formed you get a military body together that military body is controlled by
00:09:33.780the u.s yes right so once they go to ground the u.s and and i have it here somewhere but
00:09:40.120they they refer to as the supreme allied commander of europe yes sacker yeah sacker which is uh a u.s
00:09:46.780general yep right so right now the way this is going and the way this plan is going there's no
00:09:53.200one in nato has any interest whatsoever in being involved and being led into this by absolutely not
00:09:59.700the u.s so that that isn't on the table it's not happening so nato de facto is really disintegrating
00:10:07.620on its own but this this is not a nato issue this is an america issue and that's where trump is
00:10:13.980really confusing a lot of people in america paul that this is not the trade towers in the pentagon
00:10:20.580being attacked and thousands of innocent americans dying under attack that's that's a completely
00:10:25.600different thing but it can't seem to differentiate between the two well i think again you know that's
00:10:31.240the this is the developer psychology you know and i bring this up on a lot of shows developers you
00:10:36.980know when you meet a developer it's always interesting because a developer is only you
00:10:40.720know it's i i i i you know they're big risk takers you know you think about it i'm going to go build
00:10:46.720a tower the tower is going to be 51 stories you know the number of risks that go into that it's
00:10:51.780got to be millions of them it's insane right you know the liability the structural the you know
00:10:58.460the financing risk the the unions the union risk the worker risk the liability the personal
00:11:04.260liability the financial liability if you don't sell enough units rent enough units all that stuff
00:11:09.460it's a wacky mindset right you have to be a little off-center to do it we're seeing that
00:11:15.280with the condo market in canada right now right yeah well exactly right but you almost you know
00:11:20.780it's it it almost takes a um and i'm not trying to i'm not trying to be too rough on developers
00:11:26.480but you almost have to be a little off-center a lot of center right you actually get you really
00:11:31.840do i don't want to use any bad terms you know what i mean it's it it's a different risk tolerance
00:11:37.300that a normal person would not be able to absorb well obviously they're they're they deal that so
00:11:42.900often it doesn't affect them physically and emotionally like anyone else in that kind of risk
00:11:47.300like oh i can't take it i'm out well and you know what it's interesting because in my lifetime most
00:11:53.380of the the people i've met or had uh business dealings with that do that for a living usually
00:11:58.740have some pretty uh pretty big issues on the side let's put it that way yeah they usually struggle
00:12:04.340with a lot of things so it's just because no matter how good you're at it no matter how much
00:12:09.860risk tolerance you have it does wear on you and quite frankly the fact that you could be out of
00:12:15.460business and bankrupt on the next project and wiped out every single time it is hard to manage
00:12:21.380how could it how could it not affect a human being it's your family it's your it's your
00:12:25.300reputation it's every project is like the first project and every project has the opportunity
00:12:31.380to destroy you so now this is the psyche of the person you know talking to us about article five
00:12:37.300and you know how he's getting along with nato so when he looks at it he's looking at okay
00:12:42.500i funded nato i have the most uh military personnel in nato when we go to a conflict
00:12:48.740you know article five only has ever been called based on an american initiative so he's kind of
00:12:54.020looking at it from the eye perspective and he's coming forward and saying okay you know because
00:13:00.100it happened before you guys should join me and you should support me in this because without us
00:13:04.980it's going to cause iran's going to get a nuclear bomb they're going to use it on someone
00:13:09.620and kite frank because their instability and that's the rationalities using why right now if
00:13:15.220if there was an aircraft carrier in the persian gulf not doing anything and the americans hadn't
00:13:21.140bombed iran yes there was no war and the iranians shot missiles and blew up the aircraft carrier
00:13:26.500and 3 000 u.s sailors died they need to have a case to go to brussels belgium to nato and said look
00:13:32.420we had an aircraft carrier not doing anything look what they did they attacked us that's different
00:13:37.780it is different but you know and and the article four which usually leads to five which is a
00:13:43.060consultation it's been enacted a few times right the syrian turkish conflict the uh conflict uh
00:13:51.300in Turkey before there's been in Cyprus, right? In Cyprus. Yes. It's been, I think it's been,
00:13:56.340uh, five or six times it's been, uh, in Poland and Russia and Estonia. Um, it's been invoked
00:14:04.020with the Russians. So article four has, he kind of bypassed all that, right? So he didn't do any,
00:14:10.660just like his Congress, he didn't do any pre briefings. He didn't go to NATO and do any
00:14:14.260consultation. He just went straight into it. Right. And then, you know, that, that was always
00:14:18.740the you know the uh israeli you know uh conversation with the uh prime minister and the president
00:14:28.020netanyahu when they started you know the fact that he called them up and said that he was going to
00:14:33.620you know eliminate the supreme leader and everything else i got into a whole terrible
00:14:40.900sequence at the beginning of how it started because it wasn't communicated clearly how they
00:14:45.540were going to enter into this war yeah so it got off on on the wrong foot communication wise um and
00:14:51.780then not going to nato but now it really has disintegrated on its on its own right it's it's
00:14:59.620actually made its way to where nato because it's supposed to be an alliance is disintegrating and
00:15:06.020trump doesn't have to leave he doesn't have to say goodbye to nato he can just say i'm not going
00:15:12.740going to fund it as much i'm not going to participate in much he has the ability not
00:15:17.040to participate on any level anymore i still think nato lives even after all of this paul
00:15:21.760but maybe in a different form maybe it evolves into something different than we had known it
00:15:27.260okay and germany right now is going through their biggest military spending quite frankly since
00:15:34.080world war ii oh yeah poland has already beefed up their military france all these countries in
00:15:40.440the scandinavia are doing the same thing so and canada's going through their expansion with the
00:15:45.860military so the nato alliance even if the u.s takes back and has a junior partnership in it
00:15:51.920they'll still say look we'll still support each other and we'll we'll do our best on our own now
00:15:56.860whether or not it's successful i'm not sure but i think nato as the concept because of the ill will
00:16:03.980towards trump and america it will stand up it will stay it'll be there but they'll be like we'll just
00:16:09.220do it on our own yeah yeah and i really think you know when he says he's going to leave nato i don't
00:16:15.060think i think that's a bluff i don't think he has to leave nato i think all he has to do quite
00:16:19.360frankly is go quiet and nato to your point will have to restructure to adapt without them
00:16:25.820that means significant you know where the prime minister is going right now i think he foresaw
00:16:32.420this i think he knew at some point this was going to happen and you know he's making some bold moves
00:16:37.880get our spending for military up which i think is is really important and you know it's interesting
00:16:43.400because uh i mentioned uh on another show i was uh uh at a job fair we're doing a show on this job
00:16:50.280fair um and right across was was the canadian army uh and the navy a recruiting setup a recruiting
00:16:59.800setup across from where we were situated in the in the job fair and it was busy right like really
00:17:06.600busy there were about 2 000 people came through in about three hours i have to say half of the
00:17:11.880people that came through were filling out a information sheet to get more information on
00:17:17.880joining the military in canada and i need to tell you the truth i was i was happy well i was happy
00:17:23.640because most of the people that came through this job fair which i'm going to talk about another show
00:17:27.480were really disconnected from society you know they were you could tell that they they they
00:17:33.320they were showing up to the job fair without a tie without a suit without uh resumes not doing
00:17:39.560research on they were really lost individuals who had who had unfortunately got to a point in life
00:17:45.080where you know they just need some discipline and some support to get them back into play
00:17:51.000to understand the the the nuances of of how to deal in business and in life well and mark carney
00:17:58.600to his credit and david mcginty's minister of national defense now with their changes
00:18:03.560once these young people at the job fair if they get into the navy or the army and they go through
00:18:07.960boot camp and they're an entry-level private position it's 52 000 a year yeah benefits and
00:18:14.120and food and you know like right now they're like where else am i going to get that and then to your
00:18:19.400point they're going to learn decorum and respect and proper etiquette and discipline along with
00:18:26.360the trade they're going to learn for a few years and have some money in the bank when they leave
00:18:30.680yeah well you know it's interesting jim because you know we're talking about spending upwards of
00:18:35.880five percent of our gdp on military right so yeah a substantial increase which equates to about a
00:18:42.120118 billion dollars it's staggering it's it is staggering money but that really uh will cause us
00:18:49.000if you look at 20 of that going towards uh personnel because you need people you know you
00:18:55.240can't you can't fly anything you can't dig anything you can't uh you know operate any machine or
00:19:01.560whatever without people in some shape or form right um whether it's a joystick or whatever
00:19:06.760yeah but you do need people so that translates into about 300 000 people so you know in canada
00:19:13.720right now we're about 70 000 uh full-time in the military 30 000 reserves we're about a hundred
00:19:20.280thousand strong give or take yes you know correct it's changing it's growing which is good we've
00:19:24.520done other shows on it so you need about you know triple the number of people you have now
00:19:29.880the us now which is very interesting which has the same conundrum they're a lot bigger like a million
00:19:35.240people with consultants and reserves and yeah regular time so they have a big body in the us
00:19:40.280you know a lot bigger nation 10 times ours so they have way more people they're actually starting to
00:19:46.520do their draft sign up database that's right so all men 18 to 24 correct yeah so what they're doing
00:19:53.960is before um they didn't keep track of where all men 18 uh and up were yeah now you're actually
00:20:00.960getting automatically submitted into a database your your zip code and where you're located and
00:20:06.160where you live and so all that data is being compiled and they're doing that now uh they just
00:20:11.420passed the legislation under the big bill that uh trump did and they're actually starting to compile
00:20:17.420that so by the time they get to the midterms in november they'll have basically have that full
00:20:23.300database and they call and they're outwardly calling it the draft database right right and
00:20:29.140it's interesting you know i've been there's many articles coming out in the u.s right now
00:20:33.200about the redeployment of criminals into the military which is something they did in world
00:20:41.220war ii and vietnam the fictional movie a dirty dozen yeah but that did happen where or you would
00:20:48.100go to court and the judge would tell you you can do this much time in jail or you can go to the
00:20:52.860marines or the army and the canadian army did the same thing of world war ii as well right well and
00:20:58.540the u.s are starting to to actually seriously look at it again to increase their numbers because they
00:21:03.820know they got to get they if you know this issue they're having right now in iran not having enough
00:21:08.860people not being able to get ground troops to go you know that's a challenge right so they're trying
00:21:14.320to figure that out they're looking at it i think it's a big mistake because they had the draft
00:21:19.260until 1973 and nixon got rid of it because it was so unpopular yes people were riding on the
00:21:24.780campuses of america member yeah in kent state and shooting yeah you know co-eds and forrest gump
00:21:32.080right forrest gump yeah and so they went to an all volunteer tier military in canada historically
00:21:37.780has been you volunteer yeah you join the branch of the military you're not drafted into it
00:21:43.260and i think that that would i don't think that would ever fly in canada forcing people to join
00:21:49.020the military and i don't think that's even even on the table no one's even thought about that but
00:21:53.200that shows you how desperate america must be for the military because they often say paul all their
00:21:58.520branches they're short staffed on every branch navy air force army and marines they they're short
00:22:04.120people you know it's interesting so i'm at this job fair so and and uh we might not be forcing it
00:22:10.780directly right but are we forcing it indirectly so and this is the interesting thing right so
00:22:17.020sometimes you know you don't have to come out and say you're doing a draft but you can create a
00:22:21.760draft because you know when i'm standing there and i'm looking at all these long young kids not
00:22:26.080all of them are young either some of them were older gentlemen who were over there signing up
00:22:30.020uh i watched one girl sign up they all cheered she actually signed up to go nice oh nice that's
00:22:37.000great and everyone was cheering it was like a nice moment she she was there for an hour and she
00:22:41.340finally you know made her decision nice you know submitted her app and everything and everyone was
00:22:46.260cheering and they were doing a big thing and i thought to myself wow that's really cool you know
00:22:49.780that she's doing it um but you know i'm looking at these kids and i'm looking at these young people
00:22:55.660new immigrants canadians all kind of mulling around and i'm thinking to myself they probably
00:23:02.240don't have a spot like they probably don't have a spot in the workforce and you know and because
00:23:07.640i'm outside of the military i'm talking to them and i'm looking at them and i'm thinking what
00:23:11.600other option and you know when i lived in the u.s i saw this like i saw a lot of this like i saw a
00:23:17.040lot of uh very poor urban cities where i'd be i'd be going through the airport and i'd meet these
00:23:25.200young mostly uh hispanic and african-american guys and i'd always buy them a beer yeah so when i was
00:23:32.640sitting waiting for the plane i'd say hey come have a beer with me and i'd buy them all drinks
00:23:37.360you know at the bar by the gate and uh i just talked to me you know and i'm like you know you
00:23:42.080guys are shipping where are you shipping out to and you know they tell me stories about where they
00:23:45.920came from and they all came from like the inner city chicago they came from farms in north dakota
00:23:51.200they came from these places and i think to myself wow like what uh but they see it as a future like0.74
00:23:56.880my dad yeah my dad the 1950s high school drop boat uh immigrant family lower middle class to working
00:24:04.640class. He had very little options but to join the military. Well, you know, it's funny. So I'm
00:24:09.820sitting there and I'm watching these kids and guess who they look like? I don't know. They
00:24:17.580look like those kids in the airport now. So I'm sitting there and I'm thinking, wow, I'm seeing
00:24:22.340this again. Oh, at the recruiting fair. At the recruiting fair. I'm watching these kids over,
00:24:27.600you know, across from us, you know, doing the thing. And one of the young ladies who was there
00:24:32.720with us and she's got uh she's not that young but i always call her young she she works she works
00:24:39.120with us in another company and she has a a son and he's graduated college and nice he's been
00:24:45.240kicking around but he's been struggling right he hasn't his path has been kind of wayward and he
00:24:50.720hasn't found where he's going um she says to me quietly she says uh you know my uh steven my son
00:24:58.260signed up i said good for him it's a great idea good for him and i said so i i brought the the
00:25:06.100the instructor or the recruiter that was over there at the end of the day as we were wrapping
00:25:10.740up hey i said you know what i'll buy you coffee go have a coffee with her and he said what do
00:25:15.780you mean he said go sit with her for a few minutes i said talk to her right because she has all these
00:25:20.340questions about where her son's going and what he's going to do and she's worried and everything
00:25:24.100else and he's telling her you know he wants to be this and he wants to do this and he wants to be
00:25:29.060this in the military she needs someone who can kind of give her some advice smart and start to
00:25:34.900talk to her and she came back and said oh thank you for that and i said well i'd be asking this
00:25:38.100if it was my son i'd be asking all the questions you were asking me a few minutes ago but i never
00:25:43.140served so quite frankly i know no answers so even i spoke to brian estate yesterday we did a show
00:25:48.900and he said people forget because of the movies they have this misconception that you
00:25:53.480join the military go to boot camp and everyone's like on the tip of the spear as he said but it's
00:25:58.960not true it's only a small percentage there are people that learn how to do hvac because that's
00:26:04.280needed for buildings yeah or they learn how to be a cook or they're learning welding and carpentry
00:26:09.180and like there's all these trades there that are necessary to support those people at the front
00:26:14.820line right what did you tell me once for every frontline person there's six to ten people
00:26:20.240supporting them behind the scenes yeah my dad was ground crew he fixed the engines on the aircraft
00:26:25.240so he had a team of mechanics to fix the equipment the instruments the engines and everything yeah
00:26:31.140before the plane could take off yeah exactly so you know you look at it now and you say whether
00:26:35.760it's direct or indirect but quite frankly we're kind of coming to that point where whatever is
00:26:40.660going to happen and this is the key moment you know where uh you look at nato and you look at
00:26:45.980where we're going also you look at us building a military and how we're going to build a military
00:26:51.860with those people and did you know are they seeing the interesting part is i think what the government
00:26:57.700is seeing is they're seeing not only the need for a military but that canada needs the military so
00:27:03.820yes yeah that's a great way to put it yeah yeah and then carney to his credit this is the economist
00:27:10.860in him this is where you know his years of experience realizes oh there's a need here in
00:27:15.220the workforce there's youth unemployment we have a need to increase the size of the military they'll
00:27:20.960make money yes like so this is a perfect marriage of the two and in 15 years from now they'll all
00:27:27.100be pensioned and they'll have trades and they'll be out and running you know i i know it was kind
00:27:32.040of i felt it a little bit and i understand why they're doing it this week this week they actually
00:27:36.800switched the age they increased the age of wsb and a few benefit programs uh in ontero to 65 and
00:27:44.900over oh they did yeah oh the trades and the reason they did is because trades were being cut off at
00:27:49.98065 and so they were retiring because they you know they couldn't get some benefits to stay going
00:27:55.120i understand why they're doing it it is a little discouraging because you hope that there was a
00:28:00.320succession plan for trades that was building and it hasn't right so they need the older people to0.71
00:28:05.000keep doing these trades oh yeah they want they want people 65 enough to keep working because
00:28:09.080they don't have replacement trades which i can tell you that's true wow that's 100 true so you
00:28:15.100know these are these are just some of the issues we're encountering the military will be a quick
00:28:19.440way for them to get to those trades get trained up learn and learn where they can make mistakes
00:28:24.260you know like where a guy who's building homes won't tolerate but they'll tolerate it in the
00:28:29.360military because they're going to try to get to that guy or gal to a new place another thing i1.00
00:28:33.600saw which and i'll just be short on it no please i saw a lot more ladies absolutely a lot more1.00
00:28:40.680ladies at the desk so at the recruitment desk there were a lot more ladies i mentioned a young1.00
00:28:44.900lady signed up you know they were there and they were trying to get involved and they saw their
00:28:50.020role in the canadian armed forces which was nice the military and the government to their credit
00:28:55.120They've done a good job on Instagram and social media, and I've noticed a real trend that they're showing women in different roles within the military in all branches, flying C-130 Hercules, commanding Navy ships, running a military army data center with computer banks.
00:29:14.020So now these women, the young women who are on social media, because that's what happens, are seeing images of real women in the Canadian military doing real things and thinking, I could do that too.
00:29:24.500yeah yeah no and then i i saw it right a live example just there in the number and i was shocked
00:29:30.940because they would go around and then they'd end up there every one of their last visits for their
00:29:35.660job fair that i was at was over at those two booths and so they're interested you know they're
00:29:41.060paying attention they're learning yes they learn differently than us which is interesting yeah you
00:29:46.540know they definitely you know they're learning differently they're learning on their phone like
00:29:49.820you said through social but you know what nato is being part of nato so as nato shifts and the
00:29:56.220canadian military builds and the u.s probably doesn't see it as a benefit anymore so you know
00:30:02.980like trump says you know as long as trump is in now maybe when trump's out you know the new
00:30:08.420president will start to form a faction but all these things have lasting impacts right so these
00:30:13.980all the all the the dissension and the the challenges that other countries are having
00:30:19.140with what's going on right now and, you know, splintering in the coalitions and alliances
00:31:07.000he's trying to actually increase his own military budget substantially.
00:31:10.700So he keeps trying to drive that up and drive that up.
00:31:13.180So if he diverts it and, you know, all those people are hired and the machines are being built and the pyramids already happen, a really interesting time for us.
00:31:21.520And as you know, as we talked about the midterms, so and we're just a few months away from that.