True Patriot Love - Is NATO Breaking In Real Time？

00:00:00.000 on april 4th 1949 in the aftermath of world war ii the north atlantic treaty organization was

00:00:10.720 formed in brussels belgium belgium a country that was partially liberated by the canadian

00:00:15.680 army of world war ii and canada is a big part of nato but the future as nato as we know it

00:00:20.720 is very much in doubt with the crazy musings of president donald trump the united states

00:00:25.840 to talk more about it as always paul micucci paul how are you hey jim how are you very good um my

00:00:31.480 father uh full disclosure served 33 years in the royal canadian air force and took part in many

00:00:37.200 nato exercises during the cold war in the 60s and 70s and has been a big part of the military

00:00:43.820 for many countries not just the canadian military since inception you know it's interesting and and

00:00:50.960 you know, NATO's on its 77th anniversary. It was April 4th. And on April 4th, Donald Trump came out

00:00:57.180 in disgust and said, you know, that they had failed to unite behind the United States for

00:01:03.240 the opening of the Strait of Hormuz and that, you know, he would be looking at leaving NATO.

00:01:09.320 And I was like, oh, wow, that's a that's a different approach. He had said that before,

00:01:14.280 but, you know, Marco Rubio, everyone was rallying kind of behind him to say, you know,

00:01:18.640 how dare they not come to our defense and you know a lot of people were like oh you know that's

00:01:25.060 new and i said well it's not new you know since dwight eisenhower the u.s has complained that

00:01:31.560 other nations have not contributed their fair share into nato it's been an ongoing

00:01:36.320 since the inception you know saying you got to put your two percent into it and we've kind of

00:01:41.960 been culprits in canada right absolutely for years for decades we've underfunded uh our nato

00:01:49.180 commitment and now finally we're starting we're saying uh we're stepping up yeah we're at the two

00:01:55.320 percent yes and climbing yeah with some major uh infrastructure work being done major procurement

00:02:01.940 and a major upgrade in the people in the military both in the regular and reserve yeah well and it's

00:02:08.720 important you know if you look at and i'm going to jump over to the u.s side for a minute and come

00:02:12.820 back to canada but you look at the iran war and what's going on now and you know trump is he's

00:02:18.780 strategically i think on his sixth plan you know which is no plan which is no plan but he's bouncing

00:02:24.980 from plan to plan right he starts off and he says you know people of iran unite uh leave your homes

00:02:31.140 and fight in the streets no one did it because they're all gonna die he bombs he bombs their

00:02:36.720 leadership you know destroys you know the the supreme leader and and his his group uh then he

00:02:44.600 says okay people come out and revolt again they don't come out right still not realizing that

00:02:51.620 there's a a uh infrastructure uh that's beneath the top commanders he goes in and he bombs the

00:02:59.520 heck of it he says okay i've destroyed your navy i've just you have no air force surrender not

00:03:05.860 realizing quite frankly that to your point jim which you kind of told me on a show a couple weeks

00:03:10.820 ago listen they have tunnel cities in iran so they were smart enough to realize that they couldn't

00:03:16.120 have everything on ground they went underground right so they've got a massive amount of arsenal

00:03:21.540 in the mountains in the tunnels yeah which i you know you were the one who kind of flagged me on

00:03:25.800 i've been more i've been watching shows i've been reading about it like holy cow like you know

00:03:30.280 they're uranium they're enriched uranium is hidden you know four stories underground you think about

00:03:36.380 it you know they're building iceberg homes now so you know that's the one where it's deeper yes so

00:03:41.240 it looks like a bungalow right a friend of mine a friend of mine did one and he called me and said

00:03:45.500 why don't you work why don't you pitch in with me on this project i thought he was nuts but he did

00:03:50.000 it and he and it is four stories underground and it's pretty cool yeah i wouldn't want to live in

00:03:54.980 it truthfully but yeah but you think about it if they're building homes and living in those why

00:03:59.160 wouldn't why couldn't you do it you know and build the underground city so they they do have the

00:04:03.460 underground cities that hasn't worked so they bombed the heck out of it then he said okay right

00:04:08.620 on this date we're gonna get rid of your energy we're gonna cut off all your power of roads

00:04:15.560 bridges all that stuff we're gonna bomb it you're gonna be done it's the end he conceded didn't do

00:04:20.960 the end of civilization he is exactly didn't do that so that plan failed they said okay ceasefire

00:04:26.760 let's talk that lasted what one day yeah yeah really one day yeah that didn't happen so now

00:04:33.680 we're we're kind of back so where do you go from here because now it's pretty hard i guess you

00:04:41.260 could try to go back they're talking today apparently i i guess iran which seems to have

00:04:46.300 a lot more leverage now could come back and say well you know now i want this this and this and

00:04:53.180 i'm not going to get rid of my uranium i'm not going to do this i'm not going to do that he

00:04:57.120 could concede but then he's lost so eventually he he either has to bring ground troops in

00:05:02.320 so he's kind of at that point where he's got to bring ground troops into the straight uh

00:05:06.540 cargo island he's got to try to uh secure it you know which as you knew and i've talked about

00:05:12.840 uh the land mass and the rough terrain that you have to actually uh move through and you you have

00:05:20.000 to encounter when you land on the beaches and when you try to overcome is horrific it's a hard

00:05:26.600 landmass right horrific casualties for anyone sent there right now casualties are tough like

00:05:32.720 and you know i listened to a show the other night it's a very good show and there was a professor

00:05:36.700 talking about uh the perception of casualties for americans which is much different than us

00:05:43.940 it is it is so it will it will in essence unite the country so you know the first mass amount of

00:05:51.480 casualties that whether when do they happen if they happen if they do try to go into the ground

00:05:57.340 and they try to take over the uh you know whether it be carg island or the strait yes is going to

00:06:03.180 have uh interesting effects on he he thought 40 percent of americans 40 percent of americans will

00:06:11.260 unite and want to be there because they won't want their people have to died for nothing.

00:06:16.400 Okay. Interesting. Yeah. Which is an interesting, interesting thought. 60% who are against it will

00:06:21.340 probably always be against it. You might convert some back, but it's kind of the Vietnam syndrome 0.78

00:06:26.200 now, right? It is for him. So he's going out and he's saying, I need people to help me from other 0.93

00:06:32.000 countries under NATO. You know, he's kind of using NATO, NATO support. I need people to help me come

00:06:38.440 because I might have to put ground troops on the ground

00:06:40.840 to actually take control to get the straight open again

00:06:44.540 to do all these things.

00:06:45.440 It's a very interesting and terrible conundrum that he's in, right?

00:06:48.960 But he doesn't understand the inner workings of actually how NATO works.

00:06:52.480 After 9-11, the Institute of Article 5, America was attacked.

00:06:58.020 Right.

00:06:58.420 The trade towers in the Pentagon was attacked.

00:07:01.440 Yes.

00:07:01.820 And Canada and Britain and all those other countries

00:07:05.580 went to afghanistan and suffered casualties working with the americans that is how the whole

00:07:11.880 concept behind nato was formed right but this is this is not america under attack this is america

00:07:17.540 doing something and then asking oh by the way you got to help us well wait a sec that's not how it

00:07:22.120 works right right and i think you know it's interesting because not only has he done that

00:07:26.820 with nato but he did it was with his own congress right you're supposed to go to congress ask to go

00:07:31.080 to war get a war budget all that stuff since obama presidents have kind of bypassed that right

00:07:36.140 presidents have now gotten to the point of where they actually uh there's a constitutional issue

00:07:40.660 in the u.s yeah on whether or not you have the power to do it and whether you don't how you get

00:07:45.140 funding and all that stuff so you know in his case he did similar to what other presidents done he

00:07:49.680 just went and asked later and briefed later and did yeah yeah which is causing a challenge with

00:07:54.920 nato it's different i agree and nato has it's it's very interesting because article five you

00:08:00.800 know i thought i went back and i thought to myself what is article 5 i remember article you know

00:08:05.560 during 9 11 uh so i started looking looking through my documents and trying to figure out

00:08:11.620 what article 5 was so article 5 has a process right so and the process is very interesting so

00:08:18.920 basically when a member is attacked the country attacked brings the situation to the north

00:08:26.540 Atlantic Council to NATO, principal political decision-making body. So they basically come

00:08:32.740 and they bring it to the Council of NATO, the 32 nations, and they say, we've been attacked.

00:08:38.160 They deliberate to see if it qualifies as an armed attack. So there's a process to this.

00:08:44.720 It's not just doesn't happen. And they decide what they can do to help.

00:08:48.680 Consensus is reached. Yeah. So it has to be unanimous. Right. So it's the 32 nations have

00:08:55.320 to agree that basically article five applies and then a single person can block so this is very

00:09:02.820 interesting so this and it's very hard to do and then each member at that point can then choose

00:09:08.920 uh how they participate right right so because not all of them are as strong not all of them

00:09:16.200 have big militaries not all of them have the same resources or have the stomach to send that many

00:09:20.440 people over to potentially die or politically yes politically have the thing so then then okay so

00:09:26.780 then it gets formed you get a military body together that military body is controlled by

00:09:33.780 the u.s yes right so once they go to ground the u.s and and i have it here somewhere but

00:09:40.120 they they refer to as the supreme allied commander of europe yes sacker yeah sacker which is uh a u.s

00:09:46.780 general yep right so right now the way this is going and the way this plan is going there's no

00:09:53.200 one in nato has any interest whatsoever in being involved and being led into this by absolutely not

00:09:59.700 the u.s so that that isn't on the table it's not happening so nato de facto is really disintegrating

00:10:07.620 on its own but this this is not a nato issue this is an america issue and that's where trump is

00:10:13.980 really confusing a lot of people in america paul that this is not the trade towers in the pentagon

00:10:20.580 being attacked and thousands of innocent americans dying under attack that's that's a completely

00:10:25.600 different thing but it can't seem to differentiate between the two well i think again you know that's

00:10:31.240 the this is the developer psychology you know and i bring this up on a lot of shows developers you

00:10:36.980 know when you meet a developer it's always interesting because a developer is only you

00:10:40.720 know it's i i i i you know they're big risk takers you know you think about it i'm going to go build

00:10:46.720 a tower the tower is going to be 51 stories you know the number of risks that go into that it's

00:10:51.780 got to be millions of them it's insane right you know the liability the structural the you know

00:10:58.460 the financing risk the the unions the union risk the worker risk the liability the personal

00:11:04.260 liability the financial liability if you don't sell enough units rent enough units all that stuff

00:11:09.460 it's a wacky mindset right you have to be a little off-center to do it we're seeing that

00:11:15.280 with the condo market in canada right now right yeah well exactly right but you almost you know

00:11:20.780 it's it it almost takes a um and i'm not trying to i'm not trying to be too rough on developers

00:11:26.480 but you almost have to be a little off-center a lot of center right you actually get you really

00:11:31.840 do i don't want to use any bad terms you know what i mean it's it it's a different risk tolerance

00:11:37.300 that a normal person would not be able to absorb well obviously they're they're they deal that so

00:11:42.900 often it doesn't affect them physically and emotionally like anyone else in that kind of risk

00:11:47.300 like oh i can't take it i'm out well and you know what it's interesting because in my lifetime most

00:11:53.380 of the the people i've met or had uh business dealings with that do that for a living usually

00:11:58.740 have some pretty uh pretty big issues on the side let's put it that way yeah they usually struggle

00:12:04.340 with a lot of things so it's just because no matter how good you're at it no matter how much

00:12:09.860 risk tolerance you have it does wear on you and quite frankly the fact that you could be out of

00:12:15.460 business and bankrupt on the next project and wiped out every single time it is hard to manage

00:12:21.380 how could it how could it not affect a human being it's your family it's your it's your

00:12:25.300 reputation it's every project is like the first project and every project has the opportunity

00:12:31.380 to destroy you so now this is the psyche of the person you know talking to us about article five

00:12:37.300 and you know how he's getting along with nato so when he looks at it he's looking at okay

00:12:42.500 i funded nato i have the most uh military personnel in nato when we go to a conflict

00:12:48.740 you know article five only has ever been called based on an american initiative so he's kind of

00:12:54.020 looking at it from the eye perspective and he's coming forward and saying okay you know because

00:13:00.100 it happened before you guys should join me and you should support me in this because without us

00:13:04.980 it's going to cause iran's going to get a nuclear bomb they're going to use it on someone

00:13:09.620 and kite frank because their instability and that's the rationalities using why right now if

00:13:15.220 if there was an aircraft carrier in the persian gulf not doing anything and the americans hadn't

00:13:21.140 bombed iran yes there was no war and the iranians shot missiles and blew up the aircraft carrier

00:13:26.500 and 3 000 u.s sailors died they need to have a case to go to brussels belgium to nato and said look

00:13:32.420 we had an aircraft carrier not doing anything look what they did they attacked us that's different

00:13:37.780 it is different but you know and and the article four which usually leads to five which is a

00:13:43.060 consultation it's been enacted a few times right the syrian turkish conflict the uh conflict uh

00:13:51.300 in Turkey before there's been in Cyprus, right? In Cyprus. Yes. It's been, I think it's been,

00:13:56.340 uh, five or six times it's been, uh, in Poland and Russia and Estonia. Um, it's been invoked

00:14:04.020 with the Russians. So article four has, he kind of bypassed all that, right? So he didn't do any,

00:14:10.660 just like his Congress, he didn't do any pre briefings. He didn't go to NATO and do any

00:14:14.260 consultation. He just went straight into it. Right. And then, you know, that, that was always

00:14:18.740 the you know the uh israeli you know uh conversation with the uh prime minister and the president

00:14:28.020 netanyahu when they started you know the fact that he called them up and said that he was going to

00:14:33.620 you know eliminate the supreme leader and everything else i got into a whole terrible

00:14:40.900 sequence at the beginning of how it started because it wasn't communicated clearly how they

00:14:45.540 were going to enter into this war yeah so it got off on on the wrong foot communication wise um and

00:14:51.780 then not going to nato but now it really has disintegrated on its on its own right it's it's

00:14:59.620 actually made its way to where nato because it's supposed to be an alliance is disintegrating and

00:15:06.020 trump doesn't have to leave he doesn't have to say goodbye to nato he can just say i'm not going

00:15:12.740 going to fund it as much i'm not going to participate in much he has the ability not

00:15:17.040 to participate on any level anymore i still think nato lives even after all of this paul

00:15:21.760 but maybe in a different form maybe it evolves into something different than we had known it

00:15:27.260 okay and germany right now is going through their biggest military spending quite frankly since

00:15:34.080 world war ii oh yeah poland has already beefed up their military france all these countries in

00:15:40.440 the scandinavia are doing the same thing so and canada's going through their expansion with the

00:15:45.860 military so the nato alliance even if the u.s takes back and has a junior partnership in it

00:15:51.920 they'll still say look we'll still support each other and we'll we'll do our best on our own now

00:15:56.860 whether or not it's successful i'm not sure but i think nato as the concept because of the ill will

00:16:03.980 towards trump and america it will stand up it will stay it'll be there but they'll be like we'll just

00:16:09.220 do it on our own yeah yeah and i really think you know when he says he's going to leave nato i don't

00:16:15.060 think i think that's a bluff i don't think he has to leave nato i think all he has to do quite

00:16:19.360 frankly is go quiet and nato to your point will have to restructure to adapt without them

00:16:25.820 that means significant you know where the prime minister is going right now i think he foresaw

00:16:32.420 this i think he knew at some point this was going to happen and you know he's making some bold moves

00:16:37.880 get our spending for military up which i think is is really important and you know it's interesting

00:16:43.400 because uh i mentioned uh on another show i was uh uh at a job fair we're doing a show on this job

00:16:50.280 fair um and right across was was the canadian army uh and the navy a recruiting setup a recruiting

00:16:59.800 setup across from where we were situated in the in the job fair and it was busy right like really

00:17:06.600 busy there were about 2 000 people came through in about three hours i have to say half of the

00:17:11.880 people that came through were filling out a information sheet to get more information on

00:17:17.880 joining the military in canada and i need to tell you the truth i was i was happy well i was happy

00:17:23.640 because most of the people that came through this job fair which i'm going to talk about another show

00:17:27.480 were really disconnected from society you know they were you could tell that they they they

00:17:33.320 they were showing up to the job fair without a tie without a suit without uh resumes not doing

00:17:39.560 research on they were really lost individuals who had who had unfortunately got to a point in life

00:17:45.080 where you know they just need some discipline and some support to get them back into play

00:17:51.000 to understand the the the nuances of of how to deal in business and in life well and mark carney

00:17:58.600 to his credit and david mcginty's minister of national defense now with their changes

00:18:03.560 once these young people at the job fair if they get into the navy or the army and they go through

00:18:07.960 boot camp and they're an entry-level private position it's 52 000 a year yeah benefits and

00:18:14.120 and food and you know like right now they're like where else am i going to get that and then to your

00:18:19.400 point they're going to learn decorum and respect and proper etiquette and discipline along with

00:18:26.360 the trade they're going to learn for a few years and have some money in the bank when they leave

00:18:30.680 yeah well you know it's interesting jim because you know we're talking about spending upwards of

00:18:35.880 five percent of our gdp on military right so yeah a substantial increase which equates to about a

00:18:42.120 118 billion dollars it's staggering it's it is staggering money but that really uh will cause us

00:18:49.000 if you look at 20 of that going towards uh personnel because you need people you know you

00:18:55.240 can't you can't fly anything you can't dig anything you can't uh you know operate any machine or

00:19:01.560 whatever without people in some shape or form right um whether it's a joystick or whatever

00:19:06.760 yeah but you do need people so that translates into about 300 000 people so you know in canada

00:19:13.720 right now we're about 70 000 uh full-time in the military 30 000 reserves we're about a hundred

00:19:20.280 thousand strong give or take yes you know correct it's changing it's growing which is good we've

00:19:24.520 done other shows on it so you need about you know triple the number of people you have now

00:19:29.880 the us now which is very interesting which has the same conundrum they're a lot bigger like a million

00:19:35.240 people with consultants and reserves and yeah regular time so they have a big body in the us

00:19:40.280 you know a lot bigger nation 10 times ours so they have way more people they're actually starting to

00:19:46.520 do their draft sign up database that's right so all men 18 to 24 correct yeah so what they're doing

00:19:53.960 is before um they didn't keep track of where all men 18 uh and up were yeah now you're actually

00:20:00.960 getting automatically submitted into a database your your zip code and where you're located and

00:20:06.160 where you live and so all that data is being compiled and they're doing that now uh they just

00:20:11.420 passed the legislation under the big bill that uh trump did and they're actually starting to compile

00:20:17.420 that so by the time they get to the midterms in november they'll have basically have that full

00:20:23.300 database and they call and they're outwardly calling it the draft database right right and

00:20:29.140 it's interesting you know i've been there's many articles coming out in the u.s right now

00:20:33.200 about the redeployment of criminals into the military which is something they did in world

00:20:41.220 war ii and vietnam the fictional movie a dirty dozen yeah but that did happen where or you would

00:20:48.100 go to court and the judge would tell you you can do this much time in jail or you can go to the

00:20:52.860 marines or the army and the canadian army did the same thing of world war ii as well right well and

00:20:58.540 the u.s are starting to to actually seriously look at it again to increase their numbers because they

00:21:03.820 know they got to get they if you know this issue they're having right now in iran not having enough

00:21:08.860 people not being able to get ground troops to go you know that's a challenge right so they're trying

00:21:14.320 to figure that out they're looking at it i think it's a big mistake because they had the draft

00:21:19.260 until 1973 and nixon got rid of it because it was so unpopular yes people were riding on the

00:21:24.780 campuses of america member yeah in kent state and shooting yeah you know co-eds and forrest gump

00:21:32.080 right forrest gump yeah and so they went to an all volunteer tier military in canada historically

00:21:37.780 has been you volunteer yeah you join the branch of the military you're not drafted into it

00:21:43.260 and i think that that would i don't think that would ever fly in canada forcing people to join

00:21:49.020 the military and i don't think that's even even on the table no one's even thought about that but

00:21:53.200 that shows you how desperate america must be for the military because they often say paul all their

00:21:58.520 branches they're short staffed on every branch navy air force army and marines they they're short

00:22:04.120 people you know it's interesting so i'm at this job fair so and and uh we might not be forcing it

00:22:10.780 directly right but are we forcing it indirectly so and this is the interesting thing right so

00:22:17.020 sometimes you know you don't have to come out and say you're doing a draft but you can create a

00:22:21.760 draft because you know when i'm standing there and i'm looking at all these long young kids not

00:22:26.080 all of them are young either some of them were older gentlemen who were over there signing up

00:22:30.020 uh i watched one girl sign up they all cheered she actually signed up to go nice oh nice that's

00:22:37.000 great and everyone was cheering it was like a nice moment she she was there for an hour and she

00:22:41.340 finally you know made her decision nice you know submitted her app and everything and everyone was

00:22:46.260 cheering and they were doing a big thing and i thought to myself wow that's really cool you know

00:22:49.780 that she's doing it um but you know i'm looking at these kids and i'm looking at these young people

00:22:55.660 new immigrants canadians all kind of mulling around and i'm thinking to myself they probably

00:23:02.240 don't have a spot like they probably don't have a spot in the workforce and you know and because

00:23:07.640 i'm outside of the military i'm talking to them and i'm looking at them and i'm thinking what

00:23:11.600 other option and you know when i lived in the u.s i saw this like i saw a lot of this like i saw a

00:23:17.040 lot of uh very poor urban cities where i'd be i'd be going through the airport and i'd meet these

00:23:25.200 young mostly uh hispanic and african-american guys and i'd always buy them a beer yeah so when i was

00:23:32.640 sitting waiting for the plane i'd say hey come have a beer with me and i'd buy them all drinks

00:23:37.360 you know at the bar by the gate and uh i just talked to me you know and i'm like you know you

00:23:42.080 guys are shipping where are you shipping out to and you know they tell me stories about where they

00:23:45.920 came from and they all came from like the inner city chicago they came from farms in north dakota

00:23:51.200 they came from these places and i think to myself wow like what uh but they see it as a future like 0.74

00:23:56.880 my dad yeah my dad the 1950s high school drop boat uh immigrant family lower middle class to working

00:24:04.640 class. He had very little options but to join the military. Well, you know, it's funny. So I'm

00:24:09.820 sitting there and I'm watching these kids and guess who they look like? I don't know. They

00:24:17.580 look like those kids in the airport now. So I'm sitting there and I'm thinking, wow, I'm seeing

00:24:22.340 this again. Oh, at the recruiting fair. At the recruiting fair. I'm watching these kids over,

00:24:27.600 you know, across from us, you know, doing the thing. And one of the young ladies who was there

00:24:32.720 with us and she's got uh she's not that young but i always call her young she she works she works

00:24:39.120 with us in another company and she has a a son and he's graduated college and nice he's been

00:24:45.240 kicking around but he's been struggling right he hasn't his path has been kind of wayward and he

00:24:50.720 hasn't found where he's going um she says to me quietly she says uh you know my uh steven my son

00:24:58.260 signed up i said good for him it's a great idea good for him and i said so i i brought the the

00:25:06.100 the instructor or the recruiter that was over there at the end of the day as we were wrapping

00:25:10.740 up hey i said you know what i'll buy you coffee go have a coffee with her and he said what do

00:25:15.780 you mean he said go sit with her for a few minutes i said talk to her right because she has all these

00:25:20.340 questions about where her son's going and what he's going to do and she's worried and everything

00:25:24.100 else and he's telling her you know he wants to be this and he wants to do this and he wants to be

00:25:29.060 this in the military she needs someone who can kind of give her some advice smart and start to

00:25:34.900 talk to her and she came back and said oh thank you for that and i said well i'd be asking this

00:25:38.100 if it was my son i'd be asking all the questions you were asking me a few minutes ago but i never

00:25:43.140 served so quite frankly i know no answers so even i spoke to brian estate yesterday we did a show

00:25:48.900 and he said people forget because of the movies they have this misconception that you

00:25:53.480 join the military go to boot camp and everyone's like on the tip of the spear as he said but it's

00:25:58.960 not true it's only a small percentage there are people that learn how to do hvac because that's

00:26:04.280 needed for buildings yeah or they learn how to be a cook or they're learning welding and carpentry

00:26:09.180 and like there's all these trades there that are necessary to support those people at the front

00:26:14.820 line right what did you tell me once for every frontline person there's six to ten people

00:26:20.240 supporting them behind the scenes yeah my dad was ground crew he fixed the engines on the aircraft

00:26:25.240 so he had a team of mechanics to fix the equipment the instruments the engines and everything yeah

00:26:31.140 before the plane could take off yeah exactly so you know you look at it now and you say whether

00:26:35.760 it's direct or indirect but quite frankly we're kind of coming to that point where whatever is

00:26:40.660 going to happen and this is the key moment you know where uh you look at nato and you look at

00:26:45.980 where we're going also you look at us building a military and how we're going to build a military

00:26:51.860 with those people and did you know are they seeing the interesting part is i think what the government

00:26:57.700 is seeing is they're seeing not only the need for a military but that canada needs the military so

00:27:03.820 yes yeah that's a great way to put it yeah yeah and then carney to his credit this is the economist

00:27:10.860 in him this is where you know his years of experience realizes oh there's a need here in

00:27:15.220 the workforce there's youth unemployment we have a need to increase the size of the military they'll

00:27:20.960 make money yes like so this is a perfect marriage of the two and in 15 years from now they'll all

00:27:27.100 be pensioned and they'll have trades and they'll be out and running you know i i know it was kind

00:27:32.040 of i felt it a little bit and i understand why they're doing it this week this week they actually

00:27:36.800 switched the age they increased the age of wsb and a few benefit programs uh in ontero to 65 and

00:27:44.900 over oh they did yeah oh the trades and the reason they did is because trades were being cut off at

00:27:49.980 65 and so they were retiring because they you know they couldn't get some benefits to stay going

00:27:55.120 i understand why they're doing it it is a little discouraging because you hope that there was a

00:28:00.320 succession plan for trades that was building and it hasn't right so they need the older people to 0.71

00:28:05.000 keep doing these trades oh yeah they want they want people 65 enough to keep working because

00:28:09.080 they don't have replacement trades which i can tell you that's true wow that's 100 true so you

00:28:15.100 know these are these are just some of the issues we're encountering the military will be a quick

00:28:19.440 way for them to get to those trades get trained up learn and learn where they can make mistakes

00:28:24.260 you know like where a guy who's building homes won't tolerate but they'll tolerate it in the

00:28:29.360 military because they're going to try to get to that guy or gal to a new place another thing i 1.00

00:28:33.600 saw which and i'll just be short on it no please i saw a lot more ladies absolutely a lot more 1.00

00:28:40.680 ladies at the desk so at the recruitment desk there were a lot more ladies i mentioned a young 1.00

00:28:44.900 lady signed up you know they were there and they were trying to get involved and they saw their

00:28:50.020 role in the canadian armed forces which was nice the military and the government to their credit

00:28:55.120 They've done a good job on Instagram and social media, and I've noticed a real trend that they're showing women in different roles within the military in all branches, flying C-130 Hercules, commanding Navy ships, running a military army data center with computer banks.

00:29:14.020 So now these women, the young women who are on social media, because that's what happens, are seeing images of real women in the Canadian military doing real things and thinking, I could do that too.

00:29:24.500 yeah yeah no and then i i saw it right a live example just there in the number and i was shocked

00:29:30.940 because they would go around and then they'd end up there every one of their last visits for their

00:29:35.660 job fair that i was at was over at those two booths and so they're interested you know they're

00:29:41.060 paying attention they're learning yes they learn differently than us which is interesting yeah you

00:29:46.540 know they definitely you know they're learning differently they're learning on their phone like

00:29:49.820 you said through social but you know what nato is being part of nato so as nato shifts and the

00:29:56.220 canadian military builds and the u.s probably doesn't see it as a benefit anymore so you know

00:30:02.980 like trump says you know as long as trump is in now maybe when trump's out you know the new

00:30:08.420 president will start to form a faction but all these things have lasting impacts right so these

00:30:13.980 all the all the the dissension and the the challenges that other countries are having

00:30:19.140 with what's going on right now and, you know, splintering in the coalitions and alliances

00:30:23.820 that originally came with NATO.

00:30:25.840 If those all, you know, disintegrate and they're reformed, they'll reform differently.

00:30:31.160 And that's where Canada has to figure out where they fit in that new, what did you call

00:30:36.300 it?

00:30:36.500 The new sort of a new NATO light, NATO light format.

00:30:40.420 Because think about this, the U.S. election in 2028, by the time, say, whoever is president

00:30:46.280 and they get sworn in January, 2029,

00:30:48.340 we have no idea the state of the American economy.

00:30:51.600 They may not be financially able to put in the amount of resources and money

00:30:57.120 into NATO, what they did before, because once it's pulled back,

00:31:00.080 it's harder to put it back in.

00:31:01.680 Yeah. Yeah. Well, it goes somewhere else, right?

00:31:04.180 It will go somewhere else.

00:31:05.720 And, and, you know, he's,

00:31:07.000 he's trying to actually increase his own military budget substantially.

00:31:10.700 So he keeps trying to drive that up and drive that up.

00:31:13.180 So if he diverts it and, you know, all those people are hired and the machines are being built and the pyramids already happen, a really interesting time for us.

00:31:21.520 And as you know, as we talked about the midterms, so and we're just a few months away from that.

00:31:26.420 November is the midterms, right?

00:31:28.040 November 3rd.

00:31:29.300 And for most Canadians, we don't pay attention to it.

00:31:31.740 I know sometimes I forget about it and I live there.

00:31:33.940 And then you wait the next day and go, oh, this happened.

00:31:35.920 Yeah.

00:31:37.800 435 seats in the House of Representatives are up for vote.

00:31:40.800 Is that right?

00:31:41.700 Yeah.

00:31:42.440 Oh, right.

00:31:44.220 35 of 100 seats in the U.S. Senate.

00:31:47.140 That's big.

00:31:48.000 Yeah.

00:31:48.640 So this is a big outcome.

00:31:49.800 So whatever comes out.

00:31:51.220 Now, he's looking at that and he's saying, I got to get everything I need to get done.

00:31:57.640 So this is like this push over the summer.

00:32:00.640 Again, you know, we learned this over Christmas.

00:32:02.720 Remember over Christmas?

00:32:03.640 What was the one thing over Christmas?

00:32:05.140 We all went to Christmas and we thought he's not going to go into Venezuela.

00:32:09.540 oh oh trumpy yeah remember remember yeah they worked all through christmas and they were they

00:32:16.300 were trying to go into venezuela on christmas eve but the wind the winds were too high yeah yeah and

00:32:22.080 he had to pull out uh you know to go in and get the president it was unsafe to try the mission

00:32:26.960 it was unsafe so the only reason they deferred and went so then you know a few weeks later we

00:32:31.560 were they were into venezuela we're going to go into the summer he's got he's got the midterms

00:32:37.460 coming up trust me whatever he's going to do with nato not do with nato figure out to go quiet with

00:32:44.420 nato whatever he's going to do in iran he's going to do in this summer he is he is on to it if he

00:32:51.780 doesn't the current republicans in congress in the senate they're toast yeah the democrats will

00:32:59.540 have the hammer and everything exactly americans are so pissed off at trump and what's going on

00:33:04.500 his approval rating is at record lows right now well think think about the pressure to get in

00:33:10.100 resolve iran get out do the hero's walk go back get people to get supportive of him again figure

00:33:17.220 out the figure out his uh domestic economy and domestic issues and get back into a midterm where

00:33:23.140 all those people that i just mentioned are going up for election paul he can't even go through the

00:33:27.940 weekend without creating an ai image of him as jesus healing people how do you expect he's going

00:33:33.540 going to go all the way to november without screwing up if i'm a republican congressperson

00:33:38.020 or senator i'm like there's no way he's not going to blow it for me between now november 3rd right

00:33:43.120 but that you know back to our nato discussion yeah that always speaks to me that the fact that

00:33:48.440 nato for the time being is you just ice it because quite frankly he's not interested it has no he's

00:33:55.640 kind of put it in the rearview mirror now he said they're not helpful i'm not worried about it he's

00:34:00.280 he's off and that you know having spent time with americans spent time with developers

00:34:04.900 he's he's already on plan b or plan c d f g he's already somewhere down the alphabet and quite

00:34:13.040 frankly he's off to the next thing nato is so far in his rearview mirror right now they parked it

00:34:18.340 right i agree so reliance on nato for any shape or form not of interest to him and quite frankly

00:34:25.080 Therefore, NATO over the summer or into the fall is probably a big discussion for Canada.

00:34:32.540 Look, Paul, I'm under no illusions that all the top leaders of the remaining NATO countries

00:34:37.440 and the generals have had private conversations that, look, if something happens, if something

00:34:43.040 kicks off in this country or that country, we'll be there for you, but we have to go

00:34:48.240 into it realizing America might be not there for us.

00:34:51.500 And I'm sure they've had those conversations and they have those contingency plans already in place, Paul.

00:34:57.080 I agree. I agree, Jim.

00:34:58.700 See, that's why we listen. He's got all the answers.

00:35:01.820 Thanks.

True Patriot Love - April 21, 2026

Is NATO Breaking In Real Time？

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