True Patriot Love - April 28, 2026


Is Organized Crime Taking Over Canada’s Streets? [Weekly Crime Update]


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00:00:00.000 They arrest these guys. Within 12 hours, the exact same operation is being detected within the same area.
00:00:06.620 So whether they are so easily able to re-
00:00:09.380 No, no, this isn't just two guys in a basement putting a plan together.
00:00:12.280 This is an organization that is attacking Toronto and attacking the civilians.
00:00:21.820 Thanks for joining us. This is TPL Media.
00:00:24.780 I'm Mike Palmacucci, Brady Wedham, and this is your crime drill down for the week.
00:00:30.000 We'll do this every week, and you'll see it in clips.
00:00:32.640 And throughout the week, you'll find us covering off using different clips from this show.
00:00:37.320 But definitely make sure that you subscribe for this one as we keep an eye coast to coast on what's happening from a crime perspective.
00:00:45.920 Let's start with the headlines rundown, guys.
00:00:48.780 There's been a lot going on this week.
00:00:51.080 Yeah.
00:00:51.760 Tow truck drivers in Toronto seem to be at war.
00:00:56.440 Again.
00:00:57.240 Again.
00:00:57.640 Yeah, for what, this is the third or fourth time?
00:01:00.340 I don't know.
00:01:00.760 How many arrests now?
00:01:01.620 Are we over 100?
00:01:02.380 We're over 100 arrests, yes.
00:01:04.020 And several police investigations and actual, they did an entire project that revolved around
00:01:12.960 it just a year ago.
00:01:13.960 And here we are back on the streets with two tow trucks on fire 30 minutes from each other
00:01:21.340 and then shots fired in a suburban neighborhood over that same dispute.
00:01:27.640 it's interesting that this, and we're going to dive into this,
00:01:32.600 this is one of our deeper dive stories for today,
00:01:35.200 but you guys must be feeling the very same way that I am,
00:01:39.360 that this just seems like it will not stop for some reason.
00:01:44.480 This is definitely out of control.
00:01:46.280 This has been going on just before COVID and seems to be a weekly occurrence
00:01:50.420 in the tow truck world and the GTA.
00:01:52.540 I don't know what's going on.
00:01:53.740 I know that there's a whole underground economy being built off of this,
00:01:56.680 And I can only imagine that's what's feeling this to be happening every single week.
00:02:01.140 Yeah.
00:02:02.360 More than five years, and we don't seem to have an answer.
00:02:05.480 That's the point.
00:02:06.680 Seriously, like seriously, more than five years.
00:02:08.860 And we're still here.
00:02:09.980 And we're starting to see that so many of these crimes are now part of the bigger organized crime picture.
00:02:17.220 Oh, yeah.
00:02:18.040 They are based on enormous amounts of money being claimed through tow truck jobs and pickups.
00:02:25.280 and we'll talk more about that later in the show,
00:02:27.540 but certainly worth mentioning off the top.
00:02:30.540 Yeah, there's a tow truck war going on in the GTA
00:02:33.620 and other parts of Canada, I'm sure, are to follow.
00:02:36.760 Next on our list, high-tech crime,
00:02:39.700 cybercrime hitting Canadian streets with SMS blasters.
00:02:43.800 Yes, SMS blasters.
00:02:47.000 Oh, sure, easy for you to say.
00:02:48.140 Yeah, I know.
00:02:48.780 They run out of vehicles, and what they do is they kind of blast by you
00:02:52.240 and steal your info all within a second.
00:02:55.280 It's absolutely wild.
00:02:57.160 And it sounds to me like they can do this fairly unattached to the Internet.
00:03:03.080 It seems to be a direct connect with your phone through SMS.
00:03:10.000 These are the good things and the bad things that come along with something like Starlink.
00:03:13.780 Yes, you can take your mobile and your data everywhere,
00:03:16.260 and you can have a server with you on the road in the back of a van,
00:03:19.360 but it also can lead to things like this.
00:03:20.980 You're running around with an operational cube van
00:03:23.600 that is basically a giant scamming machine.
00:03:25.960 And we've heard about this going on in L.A.
00:03:27.620 We've heard about this going on in New York for a couple of years now,
00:03:29.900 but it seems like this has brought its way up to the GTA in Canada.
00:03:33.180 So this is something that we have to look forward to happening here in the summer.
00:03:38.000 Definitely, they need to create some sort of tracking device to take down these trucks,
00:03:42.160 because if they know that it's happening and there's technology to do this,
00:03:45.540 shouldn't there be technology that can kind of counteract it?
00:03:49.000 Now, I wouldn't disagree.
00:03:50.420 Here's the frightening thing.
00:03:51.400 They arrest these guys. Within 12 hours, the exact same operation is being detected within the same area.
00:03:58.380 So whether they are so easily able to read.
00:04:01.460 No, no, this isn't just two guys in a basement putting a plan together.
00:04:04.020 This is an organization that is attacking Toronto and attacking the civilians.
00:04:09.520 Well, your truck is literally a tower, right?
00:04:11.900 It is.
00:04:12.360 Your truck is driving around like a mobile SMS text trailer, stealing your information.
00:04:18.860 and quite when they get out they get another truck they get another set of uh computers
00:04:23.700 they're back in the truck but even cloning but but literally could you not follow them to where
00:04:30.640 they go when they get out and find them again like i don't know it just doesn't i'm sorry i'm not
00:04:35.220 trying to over there's a parking garage someplace with another van standing where they were parked
00:04:39.160 if you just get out of jail and like drive over get back into the new van and start driving like
00:04:43.300 i'm like come on guys like well you got to figure out if you're letting them out within 12 or 24
00:04:47.940 hours and they're going back to work again and you're catching them multiple times yeah that's
00:04:53.780 i mean and what does that say to the community they're going to get to the point where they're
00:04:58.080 going to steal the detective's phone and clone his phone and say no no there's no one here in
00:05:01.900 the parking lot they're going to get to this point and i know it sounds like a joke but in reality is
00:05:06.000 this technology is moving so fast and it seems like the authorities aren't keeping up with it
00:05:11.520 as quick as they need to be well i think it's hard i mean how can we keep up with the i mean
00:05:17.280 we're working with government budgets, government processing, government approvals. There's a court
00:05:23.720 system that you have to use, you know, all of these technical approaches that the police have,
00:05:29.100 I think are limited somewhat by the courts. And then when they do catch the guys, what happens?
00:05:34.780 Bail. Bye. And it's sometimes it takes up 15 to 40 days just to break encryption code inside of
00:05:41.320 WhatsApp. So if it only takes them two days to cause a scam, but it takes us anywhere from 15
00:05:45.400 to 40 days to find out that they did the scam like i said i think we need a little bit more technology
00:05:50.280 um advancements inside of our our police system well you know we just did a job fair which i'll
00:05:56.040 talk about further on the show we had 500 kids come out to it so we attended this job fair
00:06:01.080 uh and we we got a bunch of resumes but sorry it was 2500 people came out wow and most of them have
00:06:09.720 tech backgrounds so most of them went to school for some uh i.t training in some shape or form
00:06:16.520 so you know the police maybe it's hiring tech experts now right maybe the composition of who
00:06:25.400 we're hiring has to change that becomes pretty inclusive when you think about it if you're
00:06:30.440 now looking for people that are in you know tech savvy really technicians on the force
00:06:37.000 maybe that opens up jobs to people that have certain disabilities physically that otherwise
00:06:42.640 wouldn't be able to get on the force that have huge potential to be or located outside of the
00:06:48.120 city they can work remote for uh the gta and that kind of a thing yeah you're right maybe we do need
00:06:52.720 to kind of open up uh a bit of the hiring process and bring in more tech people and try and figure
00:06:57.540 out some of these solutions and create some sort of uh technology to counterbalance things like an 0.58
00:07:02.220 MSM, yet again, easy to say.
00:07:05.180 Go ahead, Brady.
00:07:06.260 SMS blaster rolling around town.
00:07:08.500 You think that they would have thought that one through?
00:07:09.620 I think I messed it up every time because it used to be MMS.
00:07:12.400 Now it's SMS.
00:07:13.880 I think we could just call it messaging.
00:07:15.780 But, yeah, the actual technology itself being harnessed in this way.
00:07:19.240 And now it's also being tied to what the police potentially think is an organized network.
00:07:26.420 In other words, what are they doing extracting this?
00:07:28.920 You know, mobility, anonymity, and digital infiltration is an easy way to execute crime.
00:07:37.620 If we have any tech-savvy viewers watching, please leave a comment to let us know what we can do to kind of penetrate this scamming system.
00:07:44.960 Also, tell us what we missed.
00:07:46.360 I love when tech people help us out with that because we can only be as tech-savvy as we read.
00:07:53.720 This was a little, quite a disturbing undertaking right now.
00:07:58.920 um in hamilton as an investigation goes on into a brazen daytime shopping mall shooting that is
00:08:07.220 so multi-layered uh brady i know you've been following this one yeah jackson square at about
00:08:12.800 5 p.m there was a uh a 14 year old um that walked into the mall and shot another 16 year old
00:08:21.660 allegedly um with a sawed off shotgun and uh the young 16 year old was rushed to the hospital and
00:08:28.680 uh, passed away on the scene. So now, uh, right away, the police started, uh, a process that you
00:08:34.020 don't very often see in Canada when it, when it is somebody that they're searching for and they
00:08:39.520 are a young offender, generally speaking, the name is not published, but the police use that
00:08:44.440 in this case as a tactic, essentially to say, look, we are going to release the name of this
00:08:48.660 individual because they are at large, uh, yield, you know, wielding a weapon and are dangerous in
00:08:54.860 public place and thank goodness uh as of the 26th of april uh that that young person had turned
00:09:00.300 themselves in so so much to unpack here yeah well cultural wars right that's what we're seeing
00:09:08.900 you know no shock uh you know we we uh for young people we continue to show the pathway
00:09:18.800 here in canada protests weekend after weekend yelling screaming blocking streets talking about
00:09:28.120 other countries other issues we just we just keep the disrespected on that fire authority is being
00:09:35.580 so disrespected during a lot of these protests right and i get it if they're pushing back on you
00:09:40.520 you're going to defend yourself but if they're not pushing back on you why are you screaming at
00:09:43.640 our police officers calling them you know every name under the book like you go to you get a
00:09:48.640 nathan phillips square on the weekend and there's always a group there with you know the the swat
00:09:54.020 team or the protest team from uh the toronto force standing there uh just taking abuse hour after
00:10:01.440 hour yeah and we seem you know to be okay with it i don't really don't understand why we are or
00:10:06.320 quite frankly we all go to go downtown for dinner and we're sitting in traffic because someone
00:10:11.220 decided to block every street in toronto and protest something happening and and across the
00:10:16.260 world. And we sort of seem to think that's okay. I don't know why we think that's okay, but we've
00:10:23.560 grown to. Especially in youth, there's so much absorption of that very noise that is not based
00:10:33.200 in discussion, is not based in reason, is not based in anything real except the last post,
00:10:40.100 the last website, the last 4chan, the last Reddit interaction that they had that kept getting them
00:10:47.240 fired up and fired up and fired up without discussion, without understanding. And I know
00:10:52.540 that sounds soft, but there is no other method to keeping peace in this country when we have
00:10:58.520 so many nationalities and so many people that came here with, you know, issues from their own
00:11:06.520 countries uh squabbles from their own nation and towns and even villages that are now arising here
00:11:13.740 and it's easy for people to rise up against each other but to see this in broad daylight yeah felt
00:11:22.080 like a protest yeah felt like uh an act of more than anything else um i guess you know time will
00:11:30.040 will give us probably a better idea of why this was just taking place but there has been multiple
00:11:35.260 reports that um this is this is a war coming not from canada this is a war being brought over um
00:11:42.860 from a different place and it seems like a lot of these kids seem to be hired right by by different
00:11:49.340 groups organizations um we had talked about it previously before that information if you're under
00:11:55.540 the age of 17 is kept very quiet your your record is kept uh private unless there's obviously special
00:12:01.420 circumstances but the majority of the time your record is kept private it is not public and when
00:12:06.120 you turn 18 a lot of that record is wiped uh in a way is wiped so you're seeing a lot of organized
00:12:11.980 crime and a lot of organized groups hiring these kids that are very influential uh and very easily
00:12:17.900 to manipulate to go and pursue things like shooting someone in broad daylight and another kid
00:12:23.100 these are two lives that are now ruined that hadn't even started yet access to weapons you
00:12:29.920 know we just did a gun buyback show yeah yeah i mean what more proof do you need from that
00:12:35.420 perspective we'll dive in on this story a little deeper i wanted to share this one and we'll do
00:12:40.360 that before the end of the show uh talking about really what has happened here in hamilton uh
00:12:45.940 but you know one of the things i wanted to just kind of add to our list today a story that
00:12:51.100 disturbed me out of barry ontario a young international worker was found dead in a park
00:12:54.800 near her home there's timeline gaps it's totally unclear of the cause of death and there's all
00:13:01.980 these questions authorities are now trying to determine whether foul play was involved
00:13:06.500 the reason that I put this on the list is because the phrase young international worker found dead
00:13:13.960 really resonated with me this is a young lady that is far from home here doing work here with a
00:13:22.640 purpose. And now her life is extinguished with really no instant explanation. We have no answer
00:13:29.660 to what happened. Yeah. We're going to, there's so many uninterested questions in an event like
00:13:33.720 this that I don't know if we're ever going to get these answers. Right. But suspicious deaths
00:13:39.320 always sound weird, right? The name suspicious is suspicious, but this one's a little bit
00:13:45.460 different. This is a young girl that was here on a contract that has no idea the dangers that
00:13:51.780 were actually surrounding them they're here to work they're here in a beautiful place called
00:13:55.180 canada and you'd think that they would go home area basically a nice community barry yeah and
00:14:00.200 they would go home with nothing but good stories and success um and now they don't even have the
00:14:04.440 ability to go home i don't want to place any aspersions or or cast any sort of doubt on whether
00:14:11.140 barry is a wonderful place but you might recall the mayor recently declared a state of emergency
00:14:16.120 to encampments uh and uh violence in the parks they had also had a problem with the water from
00:14:24.200 the encampments uh there was arson issues going on to people burning the encampments things like
00:14:29.160 that yeah remembering you know barry is the headquarters for uh the opp yeah yeah so you
00:14:36.460 know it is i i've spent time there i've built properties there you know at one point it was
00:14:42.300 beautiful city very uh very very safe quite frankly because of all the local police officers
00:14:48.060 that live there so it still is it still has a high composition of police force in the city so
00:14:53.660 so the question becomes what is happening to this city i think you have to ask yourself and then why
00:14:59.500 are these incidents happening in a city you know where they shouldn't be happening and and then
00:15:04.300 this city is also so representative of so many other cities across canada that are starting to
00:15:11.900 experience this kind of outrageous tragedy. Yeah. You know, based around drug problems in
00:15:19.620 the community, potentially based on, you know, uh, theft and, and just a rise in crime overall
00:15:26.580 based on drugs. I was going to say, I think this is a, this is a drug thing in Barry. Um,
00:15:33.880 that was one of the reasons why the, the state of emergency was declared. Um, when you see
00:15:38.720 encampments and you start seeing these
00:15:40.600 cities getting taken over by people 1.00
00:15:42.780 that are less fortunate, I guess is the best
00:15:44.760 way to put it. Brady, they pulled the tents apart
00:15:46.580 and there was automatic weapons, there was drugs,
00:15:48.600 there was cash, there was
00:15:50.440 a crime syndicate going on within
00:15:52.600 that. They're creating little Chazes. Remember 1.00
00:15:54.600 Chaz? Right? That was created
00:15:56.660 in the United States and it was this little street
00:15:58.600 and it was taken over and it was his own sovereign little
00:16:00.620 nation and people started dying and there was chaos
00:16:02.540 and by the time it even started
00:16:04.820 and they called it Chaz, it was torn down
00:16:06.740 because it was already a problem. And it sounds
00:16:08.620 like a lot of these encampment cities this is what's happening and it sucks because like like
00:16:12.580 paul said barry and collingwood and that surrounding area just beautiful place yeah yeah watching the
00:16:19.480 decay and then seeing it underlined by this sort of thing okay uh these and more crime stories
00:16:24.620 throughout the week but let's dial down now if you guys don't mind there's a tow truck war going on
00:16:30.460 here in canada and uh we need to look a little deeper into this let's do that now in brampton
00:16:35.940 three tow trucks were set ablaze overnight in the span of 30 minutes. No one was injured in
00:16:41.180 these fires as police work to piece together if they are connected. CTV's John Musselman reports.
00:16:47.340 The time stamp on the security video is just after 1 a.m. It shows two tow trucks on fire,
00:16:53.160 one in the driveway, the other parked on the street in front of the home. At one point,
00:16:57.700 you can see a resident and a neighbor backing their vehicles out onto the street away from
00:17:02.600 the flames both trucks were fully engulfed when firefighters arrived on the scene near airport
00:17:08.120 road and eagle plains drive okay let's dive a little bit deeper on one of the topics that we
00:17:14.560 talked about today and that one to start us off is the tow truck wars that we are experiencing here
00:17:20.140 in the gta uh which has a long history now frankly of occurrence it's not in the last two weeks no
00:17:29.380 it's not in the last two months it's over a long period of time now every time i open up my phone i
00:17:35.120 see another video whether it's from the mainstream media or it's just an instagram post or something
00:17:40.560 like that of another tow truck on fire how many tow trucks now are we talking give me a rough
00:17:46.000 estimate hundreds hundreds hundreds right so now we've had a hundred tow trucks burnt out
00:17:51.700 yeah don't you think at some point someone would said well i think there's another issue going on
00:17:57.440 here right because you know to someone's point before the show you know arson's a weird crime
00:18:03.260 anyways we get it right you know because why would you do it if you weren't trying to intimidate
00:18:07.760 someone so now we're burning tow trucks across uh you know the nation last week before covid two
00:18:16.180 in a matter of 30 minutes i know and it's just like okay so we're the messaging is going on i
00:18:23.120 Yes. Right. See, like back in my day, you had arsonists, right? These guys who went nuts and
00:18:28.580 they just fueled off a fire. They loved it, but they'd burned down an old barn that no one has
00:18:32.660 been in for 40 years, right? Just to get them thrilled. This is different. It's a violent
00:18:36.880 tool of crime now. Yeah. Right. So, you know, so why do we use arson? One of the reasons why
00:18:42.960 evidence is gone, right? You use any sort of evidence is gone. It's, it's much easier than
00:18:48.160 shooting somebody and you have a weapon to find and, and bullet fragments and things like that.
00:18:52.240 Well, you have to get a weapon to start with.
00:18:54.140 When you light something on fire, the majority of the evidence is gone if you did your job.
00:18:58.880 It's not something that you do when you're confronted with somebody.
00:19:02.340 So you do it, you throw that Molotov cocktail over the fence or at the vehicle when it's not in use or whatever, and you're on your way.
00:19:10.860 Yeah.
00:19:11.300 So my first inkling, you know, if I'm the police on this one, I'd sit down and say, okay, there must be something else going on.
00:19:18.480 Well, the police did that, Paul.
00:19:20.600 They did that a few times so far.
00:19:22.740 Now, I don't want to shock us on this, but they have done some investigating on this.
00:19:27.400 Yeah.
00:19:28.800 In 2020, York Region Police did something called Project Yankee.
00:19:33.660 Now, do you remember that one?
00:19:35.960 A large-scale York Region Police investigation into tow-related organized crime.
00:19:41.360 Dozens charged in connection with staged collisions, insurance fraud, and violence for territory.
00:19:49.360 The main one that came out of that was the insurance fraud.
00:19:52.200 It drove up how much you could get by being the first on the scene, thereby fueling for the first time some of these wars.
00:20:01.040 In 2022, Etobicoke tow truck arsons in the West End.
00:20:06.780 You might recall that, guys.
00:20:07.800 That's one of the ones that sticks out in our mind.
00:20:09.920 Multiple tow trucks and storage lots set on fire overnight in Etobicoke.
00:20:13.560 Investigators linked the fires to retaliation between rival operators.
00:20:16.980 and what they did was they would just try to cripple the fleet and that was the reason for
00:20:22.880 arson there that if they got enough fire going on enough of these vehicles they would be the first
00:20:27.700 on scene for a period of time establishing territory and gentlemen long or the long gone
00:20:32.140 are the days of you know i had a few businesses downtown hamilton during the mid-2000s and you've
00:20:37.380 seen a lot of this going on record shops cannabis stores people would firebomb shops there was
00:20:42.720 usually crime and gang oriented um more of a syndicate kind of a thing like hey you didn't
00:20:47.420 pay your tax here so we're going to burn your place down you get a couple warnings and extortion
00:20:50.940 kind of a thing but this seems way more organized than just a small group somewhere this is like
00:20:56.000 happening way too much well in territory so it's kind of interesting so i guess someone thought
00:21:02.700 that this only had to do with the fact that you wanted the tow truck territory i don't i think
00:21:08.480 there might be a little bit more to it yeah come on now like you know like i know tow trucks are
00:21:13.100 expensive i get it you know a tow truck can cost anywhere to 400 000 i was just gonna say half a
00:21:18.240 million for a really really nice one yeah depending if it's a you know a heavy tow uh vehicle or
00:21:23.360 whatever but so did we really think that they were actually doing these fires because you know
00:21:29.900 someone moved their tow truck company into scarborough or into mississauga or into i believe
00:21:35.720 that's what it was that was the first impression like as i remember 2018 2019 we were talking
00:21:41.500 about that that's how they they played it out but you know i remember sitting actually on the couch
00:21:45.740 you know during covet and watching and you know they would say that and i go oh come on no one
00:21:49.520 could believe that like seriously no one it was kind of weird are you serious anyone believe it
00:21:54.420 doesn't have anything to do with drugs guns and and racketeering or whatever like that's crazy
00:22:00.660 Like the fact that that's what we're saying and anyone, did they think anyone is actually believing that?
00:22:06.440 Well, in 2024, 2025, Project Platinum brought us a more clear view.
00:22:13.020 Just before that, by the way, in 2023, you might remember in Scarborough, there was a triple shooting over what they thought was tow truck territory.
00:22:21.380 So we ratcheted it up from arson to guns.
00:22:26.240 And then Project Platinum 2024-2025, over 100 charges laid involving extortion, arson, shootings, and fraud.
00:22:35.560 Major multi-agency police crackdown was built just to target these truck networks across the GTA.
00:22:45.360 And it exposed how organized crime uses violence through the tow trucks now, that they are having turf wars for what seems to be much more than just picking up a vehicle.
00:22:58.800 The other thing that has happened is it was closely tied in many ways to a group that was and apparently 150 police officers were involved in the investigation into this.
00:23:12.000 But recently, the potential murder of a prison guard.
00:23:16.140 Yes.
00:23:16.460 Oh, I remember this.
00:23:17.740 Which has gone quiet now, right?
00:23:19.560 We don't hear much about it.
00:23:20.760 It was the big, that's the one where they went driving over the lawn and then they intersected the group that was going to kill him on his front lawn.
00:23:28.560 And well, and then we had all the bus and then the police chief came out and said, you know, I'm sorry, this is embarrassing.
00:23:34.700 And then it went across how many went from this four or five different police forces were involved in it.
00:23:41.280 It was a bunch of different precincts.
00:23:42.900 Insiders were giving the information of where police were going and there was some retired police involved.
00:23:49.560 Well, apparently it was really easy for them to network information because of their access to police on the scene.
00:23:56.080 Right. And through, you know, and obviously they've been linked to other fraud associated with the police, you know, over the last four or five years where, you know, the police are guiding tow truck, you know, people who've been in a collision to use a certain tow truck.
00:24:17.200 they're recommending people and it becomes a very high paying gig for the tow truck drivers and
00:24:22.840 probably for whomever's directed them that business well the whole the tow truck industry
00:24:28.900 seems like it has been somewhat taken over by a very odd group let's take away all the wars between
00:24:35.220 the tow truck companies themselves if your car gets towed or your truck gets towed right now
00:24:39.900 in the gta you don't know where it ends up that sounds corrupt as well i remember back in the day
00:24:45.500 in the 90s when you parked on the side of the road in Toronto
00:24:48.220 and your truck got towed, you walked down to the local tow truck place,
00:24:51.420 the closest one, usually was about 20 block radius,
00:24:54.260 somewhere around there, and you got your car and you left.
00:24:57.260 Now it may take you up to 45 days,
00:24:59.420 and then they're going to charge you a fee for holding it there.
00:25:02.360 It takes a month for them to get a hold of you,
00:25:04.200 and by the time you go pick up their car or you go pick up your car,
00:25:07.180 they're going to auction it off because you don't have enough money
00:25:09.440 to pay for the storage fees.
00:25:11.640 So there's a bunch of corruption going on inside of the tow truck industry
00:25:14.300 that goes deeper than just you would have thought okay that's what we're talking about here but no
00:25:18.640 because project platinum basically uh police uncovered how some tow truck networks were
00:25:25.280 operating as part of a broader organized crime groups and they weren't just competing for
00:25:29.600 business they were using it as a cover to you know commit fraud uh drug trafficking uh contract
00:25:38.720 violence so if you think about it if you want to contract somebody maybe a tow truck is the one to
00:25:44.120 do it there we you know tow trucks can be any place at any time everybody accepts that that's
00:25:48.940 a possibility so making them vehicles of you know mules as we've referred to them before or you know
00:25:56.020 delivering violence to a neighborhood the the you know we witnessed that tow truck uh experience
00:26:02.580 the other night where there was two tow trucks set on fire then went to the suburbs with firearms
00:26:08.480 were shots were fired yeah so it is a much bigger thing than just throwing
00:26:13.760 Molotov cocktails which is very bad it's actually now Project Platinum has
00:26:19.160 defined it as the link to organized crime for fraud drugs and violence where do we
00:26:27.740 stop this it seems you know if I had to figure out complexity of crime this
00:26:35.180 doesn't seem to be on the top tier no it's not it's not a deeply buried digital crime of some
00:26:41.940 sort this is not cybercrime these are tow trucks driving around so to me it seems fairly simple
00:26:47.160 there's a licensing piece right yep so you know because they're licensed companies with
00:26:53.160 business addresses that are actually easy to find and to get a hold of them then the second thing is
00:26:59.460 there's let's call it raids quite frankly you could do rolling raids and actually just pull
00:27:05.020 truck drive pull tow trucks over for you know uh six months spot checks going to the companies
00:27:13.180 that where they're headquartered this should be something to me this should be something we should
00:27:17.780 be capping off pretty quick right this isn't well it sounds like a five-year program right the more
00:27:22.840 we discuss the more we realize that there's a bunch of people involved that may be stopping
00:27:26.500 that from happening well it feels like it i mean project platinum involved hundreds of charges and
00:27:32.820 very few of them stuck well yeah i guess but it just keeps going on and on and on it's a very odd
00:27:39.240 you know we were looking you think you'd switch industries you honestly you think if the the tow
00:27:44.940 trucks were identified it would go to the taxi business and then if the taxi business was
00:27:49.320 identified it would go to the trucking business the delivery guy something yeah this they haven't
00:27:54.660 even bothered switching businesses that's how bizarre it is like okay okay we're not even gonna
00:28:00.300 we're not gonna sell the tow trucks now and get out of it and then go to another industry we're
00:28:04.760 just gonna keep doing it the same news because no one's stopping it's like what yeah i mean we're
00:28:09.140 talking shootings arsons uh extensive investigations just in ontario and by the way guys it's not just
00:28:16.640 happening in ontario it's happening in quebec it's happening in vancouver it's happening in
00:28:20.760 Alberta. It's happening in major parts of the country where tow trucks are part of the day-to-day
00:28:27.180 traffic. One of the craziest things that we found out trying to research a bit of this leading into
00:28:31.340 it was there's loopholes inside of the licensing. There's loopholes inside of... Now I will be fair
00:28:37.180 as we did our investigation and I went down the loophole potential and I'll explain what that
00:28:43.760 loophole was. The only time you don't have to register a tow truck or a tow is if it's coming
00:28:48.340 from outside the province however that does preclude you from operating within another
00:28:53.840 province so i did find that out but i was still leaves it still leaves a window though it doesn't
00:29:00.200 only because you have to be licensed and if you are registering a tow between one province and
00:29:04.840 another you're required to actually register that so then you register so when you get back after
00:29:09.040 the tow you've registered when with your company and and okay so i guess maybe that loophole doesn't
00:29:15.800 exist i will hold on a second as we discuss it yeah a lot of honesty is required here this is
00:29:22.120 what so there's loopholes paul getting back to it there's loopholes inside of these licenses that
00:29:26.280 seems like um there's a bunch of things that are stopping the spot checking there's a bunch of
00:29:30.820 things maybe people involved that are stopping from an investigation actually taking place properly
00:29:35.760 we keep seeing pictures and i'm telling you if there wasn't a fire i don't even know if we'd
00:29:39.600 be hearing about it i think it's probably a combination of bail reform required and
00:29:43.340 And actually, actually combating this.
00:29:46.820 Yeah, diligence of spot checks, you know, licensing just seems it goes on and on.
00:29:53.660 But we don't want to do anything.
00:29:56.440 It's very difficult for us to monitor this.
00:29:59.760 Already we're saying, Paul, you just said to me, what happened to that case?
00:30:03.420 That was less than 30 days ago we were talking about this.
00:30:06.960 Yeah, it's gone from the news.
00:30:08.340 I don't know.
00:30:08.860 I guess we'll hear when it goes to court.
00:30:10.560 When it goes to court, it'll be a few years from now.
00:30:12.720 It won't have any relevance to people in that moment
00:30:16.940 and between here and there, what's going to occur.
00:30:19.380 Well, we'll keep an eye on it.
00:30:20.800 Coming up next, we're going to talk about a really terrible crime
00:30:25.600 that occurred this weekend in Ontario that we hope not to see duplicated.
00:30:30.680 But we'll talk more about what happened in Hamilton
00:30:33.740 with the shooting of a young teen.
00:30:36.760 Hamilton police are searching for a 14-year-old suspect
00:30:39.480 accused of shooting and killing another teen at Jackson Square last night.
00:30:44.340 The victim has been identified as 16-year-old Nabil Escafi of Hamilton.
00:30:49.560 Police say an interaction occurred between Escafi and two suspects outside of the mall.
00:30:55.040 That continued inside near one of the entrances and ended with the 14-year-old allegedly pulling out a firearm
00:31:02.880 and shooting Escafi, who collapsed inside a nearby cell phone store.
00:31:08.060 Hamilton police are waiting for judicial authorization to release the teen's name and photo.
00:31:13.080 They're also looking to speak to the other suspect.
00:31:16.620 All right, guys, this is a tough one.
00:31:18.560 A young life extinguished, taken by another young life in the most violent fashion, in broad daylight, in a shopping center with many people.
00:31:32.920 Yeah.
00:31:33.500 Jackson Square Mall downtown Hamilton had a very scary incident happen inside of their mall at about 5 p.m.
00:31:41.880 On the 24th, a teen suspect reported at 14 years old, ran in with a sawed-off shotgun, and took the life of a 16-year-old.
00:31:51.200 A lot here.
00:31:52.680 Starting with how does a 14-year-old get a sawed-off shotgun, that one comes to mind right away.
00:31:57.880 um and of course how does that how does a 14 year old know how to use a sawed off shotgun how does
00:32:05.040 he know how to saw it off yeah how does he know how to load it how does he know like i don't know
00:32:11.100 my 14 year olds i don't know about you but i have a hard time actually getting them to put the water
00:32:16.900 bottle on the dispenser yeah right actually having the precision to saw off a shotgun and then use
00:32:22.960 it properly a sawed off shotgun requiring a different firing skill of course it's a huge
00:32:27.560 amount of recoil on it um so i was i'm a i was a young limb i grew up in a sport shooting in a
00:32:36.180 hunting home and uh i had a vast knowledge of firearms by by 14 but i wouldn't have known how
00:32:42.180 to saw it off a shotgun to make it safe like i don't know if anybody knows how that works
00:32:46.160 you have so you're a couple inches away from the gun blowing up in your hands did he buy a sawed
00:32:51.380 off did he buy it was it given to him yeah so who sold it to him like so this is the interesting
00:32:56.460 part about and then we're going to talk about the cultural piece of this in a minute but
00:32:59.820 but honestly let's go back a little to the last piece we did where we we talked about the tow
00:33:06.180 trucks okay you know this is a terrible crime this this young man you know he for some reason
00:33:14.680 was motivated to go in and make this shooting happen which is a tough event to do on his own
00:33:21.100 in the middle of a crowd moving at that speed
00:33:25.120 and then exiting and then fleeing and getting away.
00:33:28.720 So you think about all those things, right?
00:33:30.260 That's a tough thing without people seeing him,
00:33:32.180 without people tracking him, without people, right?
00:33:34.700 One of the busiest times a day too.
00:33:36.160 One of the busiest times a day in the middle
00:33:37.680 of a very populated city, right?
00:33:41.080 So he does it.
00:33:41.940 So my next question is, okay,
00:33:43.400 go find the guy that sold him the gun.
00:33:45.940 He will tell you that, and I assume he will tell you.
00:33:48.580 If he doesn't want to tell you,
00:33:49.540 then quite frankly, that's another issue.
00:33:52.380 But he's 14 years old.
00:33:54.180 Getting a 14-year-old to eventually break down and tell you who sold him a gun and why,
00:33:59.320 okay, then that becomes the reason we go to the next person.
00:34:02.220 So to me, it's like a path, right?
00:34:04.740 I don't know why we don't want to talk.
00:34:06.560 You know, we want to disclose his name.
00:34:09.420 I don't want to disclose.
00:34:10.740 Fine, we can disclose his name.
00:34:13.260 Let's disclose the guy's name that sold a 14-year-old a sawed-off shotgun,
00:34:18.300 gave him the ammo and made sure he could shoot it that's the name i want to find now percent
00:34:24.640 that's the name and what why we don't want to find that i have no idea and why we don't ask
00:34:30.040 that question why we don't do press conferences on that question it to me it's unfathomable at
00:34:36.640 this point it is a shared murder in my mind between the person who provided this gun to this kid
00:34:42.120 a 14 year old how long has he had it has he had it since he was 13 how long has he been brewing
00:34:47.160 And the other the other thing that I bring into focus here is this seems to be a highly agitated response that this young man was having to social media, to advanced propagandized discussion about human conflict.
00:35:10.720 we're we're filling minds day in and day out day in and day out with propaganda that shows us
00:35:17.300 beating each other up having polarity global instability this actually looks like part of
00:35:25.320 how society is supposed to operate in some kids minds now if i can speculate and i don't want to
00:35:32.120 create a whole talking point based off of speculation but i think that that young person
00:35:38.640 got this thing a couple days before
00:35:41.380 from whoever hired him to go shoot this person.
00:35:44.420 Do you think this was a hired hit?
00:35:45.480 I think we're seeing a trend of young teens being hired
00:35:49.680 by organized crime and adults, I guess is the best way to put it,
00:35:54.180 to get them to go out and do these things for them.
00:35:57.020 Who puts a hit out on a 14-year-old kid?
00:35:59.260 Or a 16-year-old kid.
00:36:02.220 But that could lead, because we don't know the story of why this happened,
00:36:06.520 like I said, this is all speculation,
00:36:08.120 that could have been a statement for something bigger but okay i get you brady but and i'm
00:36:15.760 but it just seems too much it happens time and time again let's track back to the person that
00:36:22.320 gave them the gun like now let's start going back like i think we have to ask the question now why
00:36:28.100 are why is that not happening why are we not tracking back to the person that put the gun
00:36:32.540 in the hands of this child to go shoot someone and we have to ask it and we need answers now
00:36:37.420 So I think we've kind of all sat around and said, oh, this is people using children to commit murders and to commit assault is terrible.
00:36:47.800 Okay, yeah, it is terrible.
00:36:48.880 Okay, now let's figure out who's doing it, track it back, and stop it now.
00:36:53.800 And highly expose them.
00:36:55.220 That's the other side of it.
00:36:56.540 They're in the shadows.
00:36:58.920 Let's expose them.
00:37:00.000 If that kid says, okay, I got the gun from such and such, most wanted billboards everywhere.
00:37:07.160 Let's get an alert to my phone that we're looking for this person.
00:37:10.700 Let's have society turn against the provider of the weapon, the provider of the violence.
00:37:17.140 I agree.
00:37:17.500 And the reason why I use that speculation is I used to have a friend who had a business in downtown Hamilton, right on King Street.
00:37:24.540 And there was a young 19-year-old that ran in and shot the place up, and somebody lost their life over it.
00:37:30.680 And when that investigation was done, they found out that he was hired and sent there.
00:37:35.460 well it makes sense to use back in 2017 so this isn't anything new right in a scenario but hired
00:37:41.480 so my question hired by an older group hired by who right and who in that group then takes the
00:37:47.720 fall for the hire and then who is just to mike's point who is disclosed public is the adult that
00:37:53.600 did that they would be disclosed yeah you'd think no but but we don't ever see that well i don't
00:37:58.340 understand why let's see their face let's let's let's like this 14 year olds whoever's behind or
00:38:03.960 if there is anyone behind this 14 year old let's figure out who this is like listen and let's just
00:38:09.560 blast them make them culpable make them an example make them an example and then say if
00:38:14.360 you're going to keep doing this here's what's going to happen right but we don't we don't we
00:38:19.500 don't seem to want to for some reason in canada right now we're okay to just say oh yeah that's
00:38:24.980 happening well what do you mean what do you mean that's happening who's doing it who's doing it
00:38:29.720 And who is the adult that actually is behind a sought, to your point, a sought-off shotgun, you know, and getting that all set up, having the discussion, and taking some kid who is playing Grand Theft Auto and giving him that, who has no idea, probably, we don't even know if this kid is a slow kid, if this kid isn't all there.
00:38:48.760 We don't know anything about him.
00:38:49.640 We don't know anything about him.
00:38:50.560 And we're not going to find out anything about him.
00:38:52.140 No, we're not going to, but quite frankly, that needs to be disclosed.
00:38:54.940 And if that's the case and that's what they're doing, you know, is this kid paid?
00:38:58.800 Like all these things, but we just don't seem to want to have those developed discussions.
00:39:03.980 The defense may be in something that you said earlier, too, though.
00:39:06.620 Maybe they do release the name.
00:39:07.840 Maybe they do, but it's three or four years down the road.
00:39:09.900 One, because the court systems are backed up a bit.
00:39:11.800 Well, they almost released it just to find the kid.
00:39:14.320 They almost released the kid's name.
00:39:15.860 Yeah, almost find the kid.
00:39:16.800 I'm talking about the person who stole the shotgun.
00:39:18.600 If they do track that back.
00:39:19.820 I think right now is the time to say we are looking for this person.
00:39:25.760 They are the most wanted person in Canada right now.
00:39:28.960 They provided the murder weapon to a youth.
00:39:31.380 They are now also going to be charged with the murder of that person.
00:39:36.300 That to me seems like you can't just let youth be the front end on this if that's the case.
00:39:43.080 And if we've abandoned youth to the point where somebody gave or sold this kid that gun,
00:39:47.600 we need to know who they are anyway.
00:39:49.820 Because they're going to do it again.
00:39:51.580 I agree.
00:39:52.120 They're going to use bad judgment again and let a kid go away with a shot off shotgun and do something horrible like this.
00:39:59.520 The other element that comes to my mind is I'm not sure what kind of parenting is involved.
00:40:05.280 And the last thing I want to do is point fingers at parents.
00:40:07.500 But when your kid shoots another kid in a shopping mall, we have to ask, did you not see this coming?
00:40:13.940 did we not see that there was maybe some sign of violence and tendency was there something
00:40:21.300 missed here i think maybe there was at the parenting end well okay so we're talking
00:40:27.000 about culpability is the parent not yeah yeah of course they are right they should be held
00:40:32.640 accountable so they should now be held accountable also shouldn't just be a clean okay your kid went
00:40:37.460 rogue on you and you no no you're you're up now too you're gonna go you're gonna go you're a parent
00:40:42.080 You're going to serve some time now, and, you know, the legal liability against you is, you know, you're going to lose everything.
00:40:49.400 You're going to, there is no get out of jail card here.
00:40:52.680 You're going to spend some time now.
00:40:54.080 You didn't take care of your obligation to take care of your kid, quite frankly.
00:40:58.140 And I think society, I think we have a societal issue here, too.
00:41:02.160 We got to stop, and I know we want to have protests, you know, this weekend.
00:41:06.940 I don't know if you followed what was happening in the downtown core of Toronto again.
00:41:10.300 the downtown core of toronto was with the gardner close was basically and all the events going on
00:41:15.460 plus all the rallies going on it was gridlock everywhere you couldn't move at all in toronto
00:41:20.500 this weekend so we got to stop having these protests about foreign wars and foreign events
00:41:27.340 and foreign this and foreign that we have to stop it because the young people in this country are
00:41:34.120 seeing these issues play out they're seeing people spitting on the police force they're seeing people
00:41:40.060 yell and throw things at each other and for things that are happening in nations that aren't even
00:41:46.480 closely related to us other than the fact that people have immigrated here from that country
00:41:52.220 and there's some here we never used to see any of this we never for years did you ever see a rally
00:41:58.120 even well i don't remember a group of people though like we had we had immigrants before my
00:42:03.360 family's immigrants your family's immigrants they're all immigrants now we have refugees coming
00:42:07.340 in right it's a bit different or claiming refugee status well i also i also is it different because
00:42:14.480 we're letting it be different we're letting it it's different because it wasn't a societal norm
00:42:19.760 to allow people to close streets block businesses shut off things to talk about stuff that is
00:42:25.560 unrelated to the country i you know listen i love freedom of speech i'm all for freedom of speech i
00:42:30.220 want everyone to yell do i want to hear an issue in a country that's not related to canada right
00:42:35.540 No, no, I don't.
00:42:36.740 No, I really don't want to hear about it.
00:42:39.880 Yeah, we don't want to see a list of injuries because of that.
00:42:43.120 No, I would agree with that 100 percent.
00:42:46.020 But we have so many means to protest peacefully and away from each other online.
00:42:51.920 If you want to gather, gather for a picnic, gather for a concert, gather for a festival.
00:42:56.540 But let's show that I agree with you enough getting kids riled up about issues that have nothing to do with impact in their lives.
00:43:04.980 just to give them a feeling of importance and self-righteousness.
00:43:09.220 It's not healthy, I don't think.
00:43:10.720 Well, and we see it in the United States.
00:43:12.460 I'm sorry to cut you off, but with what you're saying about the teachers
00:43:15.420 going in and getting their kids to go out on the front lawns
00:43:18.020 from their schools and protest.
00:43:19.960 What is going on?
00:43:21.200 Come on.
00:43:22.100 Like, we don't want to get to that point, right?
00:43:23.620 Well, think about it.
00:43:24.620 So these two young men, right?
00:43:27.160 Terrible incident, right?
00:43:29.940 They come here, right? 1.00
00:43:31.780 They're trying to learn the language.
00:43:33.440 They're trying to simulate.
00:43:34.620 they're trying to become a become canadian they're trying to fit in they're trying to go to
00:43:38.620 school they're trying to do all these things the social pressure all the things they're going
00:43:42.620 through and on top of it you know we have a group of people you know yelling and screaming out stuff
00:43:47.980 that's going on back home fights that are amongst people back home it's confusing it's confusing to
00:43:55.100 young brains that probably don't fully grasp any of the concepts and then they're going to school
00:44:01.740 and they're probably not doing so well in school they're probably you know failing the grades are
00:44:06.440 bad well you know we're pushing them through each grade to move forward because quite frankly
00:44:11.600 no one wants to stop them and make them perform to move forward they don't see much of a future
00:44:19.340 it just the outlook is bleak and quite frankly we keep talking about it we want to you know
00:44:24.420 instigate it we want to fund it we want to let them do it it's just not helping it's not helping
00:44:30.340 you're right i remember the school bus on the way home and you know when i was 10 12 the biggest
00:44:35.480 concern we have is getting home to make sure that we've seen saved by the bell at 4 30 and if these
00:44:40.240 kids are going home and they're on a school bus talking about well i think he might be from a
00:44:43.920 different era because it was gilligan's island for you guys there yeah but you know what i mean
00:44:48.540 like the love boat right um but it's the same kind of thing if they're going home on the bus and
00:44:52.180 they're worried about you know protesting downtown toronto when they get home from school they got
00:44:56.680 to make it to the protest this may be a different world that they're living in than i was ever used
00:45:00.160 to you so maybe that's why it's so confusing you know it's it's awful but i told this story before
00:45:04.580 the show and i'm gonna i wasn't going to tell it i'll tell it on the show okay i was going i was
00:45:08.380 going to get my haircut the other day and quite frankly i went into the barber shop and it's a
00:45:13.400 it's a nice family business iraqi uh father and son i sat down and i was sitting on the couch and
00:45:22.540 i was just waiting and i looked over and there's these two kids five and seven uh playing grand
00:45:29.580 theft auto right and i looked and i thought to myself what the heck are they playing five and
00:45:34.900 seven's pretty young to be playing that right so i said to the faucet like should they be should we
00:45:40.920 cut them off and throw a soccer game or something on and he says no no they play it all the time
00:45:46.400 the kids we don't we don't worry about that i said that's why he sat down and i talked to the
00:45:51.300 younger side i said that's a good idea like you think that's you know because we don't have a lot
00:45:58.320 you know we're not used to that level of violence violence right language young kids at that level
00:46:04.740 right so maybe you know you better think through that no no he's dude that's all right kids back
00:46:10.300 home they play all the time and i think wow you know that's that's culturally at that age we don't
00:46:17.180 want to be creating that thought process that says here's how thought here's how adults behave here's
00:46:23.440 how you solve problems here is here's how here's how to get a car here's how to get assets here's
00:46:30.060 how to get a ladies here's how to like all the things that that game is portraying is is is
00:46:35.900 truthfully detrimental to a young brain oh yeah and i remember here we are letting them play it
00:46:41.340 all night long like to the parents your point parents probably are working like this you know
00:46:46.340 this guy the funny thing is these aren't even his kids he was just watching them for a family member
00:46:52.080 Yeah, I guess someone dropped the kids off to go to the supermarket down the street, right?
00:46:56.640 And they went in and changed the video, changed the game, and started playing the game and everything.
00:47:02.460 And I'm like, oh, my goodness.
00:47:03.620 The fact that they know how to change the game, get in, play the game, right?
00:47:08.500 Load the board, get in, start playing.
00:47:10.880 When Ms. Pac-Man used to eat the little ghosts, that didn't make you violent, right?
00:47:15.140 When you're going home and you're playing, like even Mario, jumping on little ducks.
00:47:18.820 Donkey Kong.
00:47:19.960 Donkey Kong throwing a barrel, you're jumping over it.
00:47:22.080 but now we're looking at real wartime games like Call of Duty and Battlefield.
00:47:25.800 Yeah, but by the way, those games still exist for kids.
00:47:28.040 They still exist.
00:47:28.720 And I think it's up to the parents to make sure that those are the ones in front of the game.
00:47:32.440 You're probably right.
00:47:33.380 All right, well, there we go.
00:47:35.840 A tough topic.
00:47:36.800 We'll keep an eye on what's happening in Hamilton as we make a discovery about what happened with the weapon.
00:47:42.280 No, find the person that came with the weapon.
00:47:44.780 And before we get out of here, I know the three of us have talked about this.
00:47:49.800 Political violence.
00:47:50.860 We'll just do a quick quick. Over the weekend, we watched another assassination attempt on a political figure in the United States. Donald Trump was at the press secretary dinner and somebody ran through security.
00:48:06.280 Oh, yeah. When is and when are we going to get to the point where political violence is just understood that it's not acceptable, period?
00:48:13.420 It doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with these people.
00:48:16.080 These are people that are in power or we have voted into power to try and change and better our country.
00:48:21.960 And whether you agree with them or you don't agree with them should never lead to wanting to take their life.
00:48:27.700 Yeah, that's my opinion.
00:48:29.180 No, no, it is.
00:48:29.960 And then bang on.
00:48:30.860 And quite frankly, we got to stop, you know, using some of the descriptors of our politicians that we're using.
00:48:38.380 Yeah.
00:48:38.580 So we can disagree with something a political party does.
00:48:41.420 like you know we can have debate we might not be for uh we're against but to actually come out and
00:48:48.240 start to make allegations and call people fascists and call people all these crazy names we can't do
00:48:55.120 that right because then our the young brains the tormented brains that are in society pick up on it
00:49:01.620 and then they start to believe it right and this this that gentleman who ran like a dart through
00:49:07.960 the radar detectors right he actually was on some type of mission that he had created in his brain
00:49:14.440 and if you look at it the the terrible part of that story is that he was a substitute teacher 0.93
00:49:21.160 who uh did software development so it wasn't he this is a dumb person right no he was a working 0.88
00:49:29.340 member of society who lived with his mother and father in a suburban home didn't have a rough 0.72
00:49:37.900 upbringing, doesn't appear to have had a rough upbringing, a tough go, wasn't homeless, didn't
00:49:42.760 have a tough run. And here he is convinced that that is the right path to take. And that is so
00:49:48.560 sad and so morally demented. And if you, if you were to put yourself in his shoes or sit yourself
00:49:55.260 beside him for a second, I'd say, don't you understand? Like if I could just paint the
00:49:58.220 picture of what happens if you're successful is much worse than what you think is actually going
00:50:02.840 on right now if you went up there and assassinated donald trump yeah the amount of problems that
00:50:10.100 comes from something like that whatever problems you think are going on right now multiply that
00:50:14.520 by a hundred unfortunately the people that find themselves in that position of god maker there's
00:50:19.940 not logical thinking they have their own logic that that means that uh you know their their
00:50:25.340 part of the mission is just to execute that part of the mission and society will take care of itself
00:50:31.280 uh definitely a disturbing bit of business uh and and once again it comes from politicizing
00:50:39.580 everything it comes from extreme name calling extreme uh battery of people's uh personas
00:50:47.940 you know i i'll be honest with you i'm not the biggest fan of donald trump but it's not because
00:50:52.480 of what he's doing necessarily it's because of the way he's brashly behaved and i'm canadian
00:50:57.520 but that does not mean that i have to take a political position that says he's destroying
00:51:04.300 the world or he it just seems like a a really ridiculous notion that we let people feel this
00:51:11.180 way yes and with all you know as a christian i believe that we shouldn't be killing anybody i
00:51:17.220 don't care who it is why um death is not your choice to make um whether you're a political
00:51:22.780 leader or you're somebody that disagrees with the political leader let's uh just stop the death
00:51:26.620 Mr. Christian, I thought you were a progressive druid.
00:51:29.960 I made that up.
00:51:30.940 I don't even know if that's a thing.
00:51:32.580 It's about that time, guys.
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