Justice Across Canada - TPL Media Crime Update
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On the heels of the shooting at the U.S. Consulate in Toronto, the Toronto Police Service investigates the involvement of two 19-year-old suspects in the murder of constable Mark Pinizzato, who was shot in the neck responding to a 911 call.
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Fentanyl is on the move, $150,000 worth of it at a time in just the average person's car.
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That's $150,000 worth of fentanyl and crack cocaine.
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Just moving around with somebody willy-nilly enough to fall asleep in their car.
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all right thanks for joining us tplmedia.ca and i'll recommend that you check out tplmedia.ca
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slash local because the likelihood is that we have a local version of what we're doing right here
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in your hometown today once again a check on crime across the country and joining me to do that
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paul micucci thanks for the time paul thank you mike uh all right let's uh let's take a look at
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our rundown uh of course the uh the talk of canada and most of the world right now uh is the tragic
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shooting of uh mark pinizzato uh here in toronto an officer etf uh shot in the neck uh responding
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to a call yes of a shooting at the u.s consulate by by interesting so the the men implicated in this
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are two 19-year-olds, one in the hospital and one still on the loose, right?
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Nicholas Bennett and Zara Jabi, I think, is still on the...
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You know, a lot of people are asking over the weekend as you're moving around,
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people are saying, who are these two men who did the shooting at the consulate?
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you know where are that what are they tied to internationally is now another question do they
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have a family are they uh locals it's interesting nicholas bennett and zari zara jabi how did they
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meet each other yeah that is a great question where do they come in connection with each other
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how do they befriend each other why the u.s consulate where that's the other thing people
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are asking like how does the u.s constant play into any of this i i've yet to meet a lot of 19
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year olds who have much interest in the u.s consulate and now there's also ties of course
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to uh international terror uh potentially through hezbollah which is i read that i read that by the
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fbi so the fbi says that they've intersected a bunch of phone messages um arrested uh one of the
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leaders actually in the i think it's in the u.s right taking uh basic claiming uh that they were
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behind the shooting of the u.s consulate so now it's kind of so now is this this one's really
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spinning all over the place and while we have somebody at large we're still not fully up to
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speed on what the motive was here and if there was uh well and you pointed out earlier this is
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an interesting time in toronto we have an international sporting affair going on that
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is drawing people from around the world that is already a security concern and now we've got
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somebody shooting at the u.s consulate that might be associated allegedly potentially associated
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with hezbollah funded out of iran right and and murdering a constable uh with a beautiful family
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we also we're all heartbroken over the weekend you know condolences to them but i think this
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deserves now a deeper dive more questions need to be answered and we need to go back
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and and i think have a real introspective look at what this is and going back to where do they
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get the weapons why do they have the weapons how do they know each other they steep they keep
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stealing different cars so when i was coming in here the team did some research and they basically
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seemed to be um tied to uh a couple shootings previously in stolen cars uh one is at a jiu-jitsu
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gym yeah this nicholas bennett not a good guy by the looks of it yeah march 25th shooting occurs in
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an apartment building near eglinton avenue that wasn't that was one of them although nobody was
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shot yeah they found that uh the shots had been fired and 19 year old nicholas bennett was later
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charged with firearms offenses now i mentioned to you on the way in mike i've seen so these
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emergency task force crews um just unbelievable how they they meet up and usually meet up in a
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designated location they so they pick a point a meetup point um and they actually all come together
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they drive in in cars and vehicles they get out their let's call them their swat fans show up yep
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they gear up they put on all their garb i've had them actually one of my businesses i've had them
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use the business several times i've been there a couple times when they're there um it's very
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you know i'm always looking at the cameras and all of a sudden all these big armored vehicles
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show up that's an amazing yeah they get out they put on all their uh all their gear bulletproof
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all their guns everything and then they disappear they go to do their uh raids or and then they
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come back and uh they uh i guess they they unpack they get back in their cars and they go back to
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work i think back to their normal gigs it's really amazing to watch what they do and no they're an
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amazing uh skill set um the opp has a training center and uh swat facility i guess tactical
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facility near us uh where i live and uh what what they're capable of doing is is quite remarkable
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and they are uh the guys you put right in the line of fire in these scenarios uh on a four
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unfortunately but in this case you know the terrible thing is how they knew they were coming
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or where they were prepared or whatever happened whatever weapons they had you know hadn't in their
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uh possession they were firing and they he got hit and you know that those are the questions i
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i think we have to ask at this point the who you know who are they why are they there that's the
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thing is i'm starting in my mind i'm like two 19 year olds don't we don't really know how they know
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each other why are they together in an apartment in north york well here's the thinking of the fbi
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when do they connect so an fbi criminal complaint alleges that uh in a record telephone recorded
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telephone call al-sadi claimed responsibility for the toronto u.s consulate shooting on behalf
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of an iranian link group called uh herkat ashab al-yamin al-islamia sorry if i've said that wrong
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but terrorist group uh canadian investigators begin probing whether the local shooters
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were hired by or tied to this broader network that took responsibility for this now whether
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it's just them taking responsibility that happens too sometimes it does yeah but you're right what
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19 year olds just want to take a shot at the consulate the same guys who shot at a uh brazilian
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jujitsu gym for some reason and took part in a sort of low rent um housing facility shooting
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uh at another time they sound like thugs but now there's this tie to terrorism is this terrorism
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finding and scouting these kind of people out these young misguided youth that want this kind
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of lifestyle and saying to them hey here's some money we'll put it in your pocket now go this time
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go shoot at the consulate you'll probably get away with it too well this is the why like really you
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know the who what when where why I think now why is why has this happened that's the question on
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people's mind and and you know given there's such a tragedy occurred I think we need we need to get
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the bottom of it and if it is happening then why is it happening and where where specifically is
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it happening in the country those are the things that i think we need to talk about and address
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uh to your point you know we're going through right now you know one of the bigger soccer events
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the world will see i think it actually is ranked at north america is the number one uh they're
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saying it's the number one uh populated viewed event in the world but we should be making sure
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we're understanding what's happening in the places they're coming to uh the response to
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pines that are being killed was a procession through the streets of toronto by most of the
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emergency emergency services on duty at that time drawing some criticism that they might have left
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security at fifa a little unattended at that moment in that area that more on that i'm sure
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will come up this is uh an interesting story only in the sense that there's two of them in ontario
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right now we've had a major series of uh firearms drug and cash seizures in ontario toronto what
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began as a driving well disqualified investigation of the jane and finch area resulted in the seizure
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of firearms fraudulent license plates illegal drugs and over 170 rounds of ammunition 180 000
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bucks in cash you know traveling around with 180 000 worth of cash in your car
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seems like a well that's like a very that's loose change by the look of it if you're if
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you're rolling around in the car and it's in your glove compartment and obviously there's more where
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that came from so they got that uh suspect on numerous weapons and trafficking charges then
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in thunder bay on june 5th officers found a man and this is wild we uh i was actually making my
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way through the country uh up in that area at the time and this came up it was so uh at first blush
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it's kind of funny but listen to this on june 5th officers found a man asleep behind the wheel
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with the vehicle running being there another time in my life many years ago uh a surge of the
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vehicle yielded over 115 grams of suspected fentanyl and over 587 grams of crack cocaine
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with an estimated street value of 150 000 bucks a 49 year old brampton man was charged now why was
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he asleep at the wheel well as i pointed 115 grams of fentanyl found in the car so here's a lesson
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to criminals uh don't don't use your own stock if you can avoid it yeah boy driving all the way up
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to imagine how dangerous that was this is three major points here yeah one is fentanyl's on the
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move 150 000 worth of it at a time yeah in just the average person's car it's not
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yeah that was that's 150 grand worth of fentanyl and crack cocaine just moving around with somebody
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willy willy-nilly enough to fall asleep in their car yeah what's going on at the major levels oh
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yeah well and and you know heading all the way up to thunder bay quite frankly so he arrived in town
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passed out they found him sitting in the car over the weekend i don't know if you've noticed but
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the number and i'm not even going to get into traffic fatalities and traffic accidents but
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the number of traffic fatalities continues to just skyrocket yeah and again you got to come up to i
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know i know we don't none of us love speed cameras none of them love all these things there's got to
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be something that that actually starts to trigger you know speed racing things going on did you see
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the guy this week and the opp pulled over doing they were just talking about pulling people over
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driving too fast yeah and they pulled somebody over doing 167 kilometers an hour yeah well
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exactly but there's got to be there's got to be markers on the highway on all the 400 highways or
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across canada on the major highways that quite frankly will trigger if you're going more than
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150 or 1 140 or something there's got to be something we got to set a benchmark where
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okay now we know that someone on that highway is moving at a high clip yeah and we we we pay
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attention to it because it turns from a traffic violation to an emergency yeah it has to be
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that only makes common sense like we i don't think anyone would argue against that i think
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i i saw you know red light cameras we've seen the push okay yeah speed cameras we've seen the
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pushback yeah speed cameras for for you know dangerous driving i think no one would push
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back no i wouldn't push but i don't think you would get much push back on that uh because they're
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the uh and frankly the people that it's a criminal act but there's something wrong when you're driving
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you know just short of 200 kilometers an hour yeah in the general flow of traffic i mean this was
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midday that they pulled this guy over doing this yeah uh yeah all right uh moving on uh
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another case uh we talked last week i don't know if you saw the episode uh jim and i had a chat
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as we made our way uh across uh to the west coast on the trans canada highway all kinds
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of billboards about human trafficking uh and this one kind of falls into the same category
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an oshawa au pair uh scenario got uh sadly went the wrong way germ regional police have arrested
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a 38 year old oshawa man after an investigation revealed a victim was lured to canada all the way
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way to canada via facebook uh for an au pair job and the victim was sexually assaulted and
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administered a noxious drug search warrant uncovered the drugs electronic devices and
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child sexual abuse materials um wow absolutely uh a terrible case and uh i don't know how they
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made the connection to this au pair but it does kind of point something out this is a lifestyle
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for youth now where they will take a job in another country as an au pair caring for somebody's
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children living in someone's home this is the kind of scenario that really you have to be careful with
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oh yeah uh the background checks must be there i don't know what made it feasible for this person
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to come here and what made them feel safe enough to do it but what a tragic case yeah no you hear
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it all the time you hear these gone wrong quite frankly there there has to be a system set up quite
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frankly that both sides are vetted before so not only not only did the person coming get vetted
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coming into the country but the person they're staying with gets vetted so we don't place someone
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from a abroad with someone who's got a challenge already with criminal activity and then we also
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need to have sort of uh whistleblower things in place where if something does go wrong quickly
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we can mitigate it because you know this person you know are they being held hostage how long
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they're going through this you know they're in a foreign country you know in their mind they
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might be thinking okay i i don't have the uh i don't have the wherewithal to financially get
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out of this home i can't go back i can't go forward right right yeah i'm stuck no you're
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You're right. I think, and human trafficking is a difficult one in that regard often.
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But for this kind of scenario, yeah, to be able to have an escape mechanism or an emergency mechanism,
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I think is something that we need to make people aware of or put into place.
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I was amazed when you guys were traveling how many signs you were shooting
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and how frequently it was being chatted about in the north because you don't hear,
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you hear about it in the major cities as you're crossing Toronto, but not as much, quite frankly.
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there's no signs on it that's no i mean and it was a major thing you could see the trans canada
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highway was this transportation route uh for so many wild things that happen in canada i mean it
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is the means of transportation across the country so enforcing it there seemed like the right thing
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you know i feel badly i wanted to go back paul do you mind if i yeah go back in the in the stories a
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little bit uh this officer valley that was yeah to room valley yeah uh obviously a popular officer
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and uh a tragic case uh do me a favor kind of bring me up to speed on what happened here because
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i'm trying to understand what occurred what actually occurred here yeah uh so he was struck
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it was an 18 year old man he responded to a call he had escaped from the hospital apparently or left
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the hospital um they say that he's being uh uh looked at from the mental health unit right now
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uh but he he responded to the call uh i saw pictures of of the uh the field where it appears
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that he was crushed um by the car being driven by the 18 year old um tragic event i think again
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it leaves a lot of questions unanswered uh you know he's by himself he's in the middle of the
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farm um gets out of his vehicle obviously gets pinned yeah yeah terrible way to die an awful
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awful death but you know again these i think what we're seeing as we look at these and we look at
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these um horrific events that are happening against our law enforcement officers we need
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to delve into them and we need to basically ask those questions who what why where how and how
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did like this person how did they get out of the hospital how do they get back to this farm
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they get a hold of a car obviously keys who gave it to them how are they driving who's reporting
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it those are the things that i think we're all starting to ask the questions because
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we're wondering when you look at the you look at the scene you're kind of asking yourself
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how does this happen yeah that was that was a my first question where you're in a field a car is
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coming you and i talked about this chasing somebody down with a car sounds like a terribly deadly
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instantaneous yeah uh encounter however it's not the easiest thing to chase somebody down
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especially in a field oh and mow them down yeah and hit them it's very hard so um these questions
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and it's unanswered uh and you know why is he by himself why again why yeah why why do we not have
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back yeah you think we gotta these are things out of the car by himself we gotta ask these questions
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like we can't have this happen this the the number of people actually said great things about this
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person is amazing oh he was beloved obviously love it but you know we got to make sure we don't
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these things don't happen again yeah i mean it it this seems so avoidable that one seems so
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avoidable to me in so many ways you know even the pinnissado one we're seeing that this bennett kid
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was arrested on gun charges several times why is he still on the street that's a whole other we you
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know we've been through it on other shows you know but that's that's part of the leak leaky system
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the leaky faucet that we have here is letting these guys back out our bail system is and if i
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was if i was a terrorist group and i needed to hire people who would i go to criminals on the
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street known criminals on the street by name this kid was charged previously with a gun crime
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well let's try and get that kid he's still out right i don't know i think that could have been
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avoided uh on to the spy world paul and by the way i think a lot of world doesn't exist no apparently
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not no it's very wide open yeah by the way a lot of these questions that we're asking could easily
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be answered if we still had one thing in this country in many countries that we've long ago
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lost and that's journalism right good point no one's asking the questions right no we're taking
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the press releases and printing those yeah no following up and it does leave well people are
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asking so you know it's interesting as they move around on the weekend people are having
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conversations you know i'm different events and they're talking about it they're talking about the
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funeral processions and the tragedies they are asking the questions they're sitting having a
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beer at night and they're they're but the problem is they're making stories up and i think that's
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the we have to be a little careful that's what i said to it's i was a little offended on the
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weekend with a group that i was with someone said something that happens right they've had a few
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drinks and i said to them hold on right i think you have to ask the questions first i don't think
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you can jump to conclusions of what's going on you know there's a lot of tinfoil hats and
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you're listening to the conversation as they're having a few pops and you're thinking yeah
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you know what uh you guys it's all speculation right but we need we need to we need to tell the
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truth and have that discussion so people don't draw conclusions and that that's what i worry
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about sometimes put a call into uh toronto police this morning uh and uh we got a response back very
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quickly and i'll tell you that that leads me to think that there is the possibility to cover
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these stories we just don't have the journalists out there doing it right uh yeah as you point out
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spy spy spy it just seems to be what we do in canada however we don't want to convict anybody
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for it never this is the third third one you put it at three uh cases patrick
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uh the space agency one was very wild the guy worked for the space agency for how many years
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25 25 years worked for uh space agency um yeah got accused of selling secrets yep uh to china
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to make it uh feasible for them to to make it uh make some leaps in there came back to canada was
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charged and of course exonerated led off by a quebec uh judge cleared of all criminal charges
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okay give me another one so uh federal contractor case same thing uh it's it's almost every case is
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almost the same thing so the second one very similar uh was doing contract national security
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for the federal government we got caught uh leaking information across that he was working on
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uh went to court acquitted let off okay but now we've got one that's got a little bit of profile
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to it i think these two basically got missed uh missed missed or ignored ignored yeah but if you
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know if you if you think about it you know you go back to the days of nortel and cases that we've
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had of companies where chinese have come in you know they write books on it quite frankly we're
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not the first ones talking about it where they came in they set up shop right across the street
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they you know found out all the information on the company sent it back home came back replicated it
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and knocked that company out of business right so now inside of our government we're starting to find
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people who are involved and this one was a real the one you're i know the one you're going to talk
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about yeah this one's a really interesting one yeah this guy william uh madcher uh he was born
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in hong kong by the way and he later became a canadian citizen he worked uh 20 years for the
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rail canadian mounted police yes uh specialized in organized crime so he knew the criminals
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money laundering so he knew the ways financial investigations so he knew what had already been
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put on the books and international policing which is kind of where he took his career after retiring
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he worked extensively in asia and developed relationships with law enforcement agencies
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across the region and he was uh known to be a consultant on financial crime and anti-money
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laundering cyber security and that sort of stuff right now he was he got caught he trying working
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well allegedly this is what they're saying that he was trying to force chinese fugitives back to
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china yeah so people who had for some reason fleet china he was trying working for the chinese
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government trying to force them back using the information that he had gathered as a
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right so and you know there's what they had is they had several emails where uh he was talking
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to fbi colleagues i guess that he had been working with through the rcmb days um and basically
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claim and they prove they the government seemed to have evidence that he was working for the
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chinese government to do that uh kind of using the information he had gathered as rcmp now he
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alleges he was on the up and up uh taking this consulting um and i don't know why he came back
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to canada he seemed to be there for a few years and living a decent life yeah uh but allegations
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centered on activities related to china's operation fox hunt and that of course is them trying to
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find out who's uh taking advantage of the chinese government's money and money laundering and
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corruption um outside of china right now i do say one thing mike that it did pop up in the case when
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you read through the case there were a bunch of wealthy um real estate moguls in vancouver
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that are tied into this that fight frankly uh back in china they had uh allegedly again
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committed several uh fraud multi-million dollar frauds um that they then brought the money here
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bought a bunch of real estate the chinese government was trying to get them to come back
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so there's this one's a pretty muddy one of we kind of fraud on both sides of the border yeah
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you know uh the chinese trying to get them back to either secure their money or get their money
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there's a lot going on here basic question how much money how much of china's money just goes
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into the wind when they get out there and try and launder it or infiltrate it into certain markets
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and stuff a certain amount of it they're probably chasing going hey where's our money well that's
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the thing you know so part of the model is you know you uh the chinese banking system has uh
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several multiple small banks that actually lend money um to different sources so their their model
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was you know that there's a whole set of fina in the financial world there's books and books and
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books that talk about china's um went to japan basically got uh their theories on economics
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and one of the japanese theories on economics is that they should uh uh decentralize the banking
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system into small banks so they create small funds so you know a lot of us know that the chinese
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construction uh uh company number one number two they gave them they didn't even give them names
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they just gave them numbers right so they funded construction companies across you know the world
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so you used to be in like uh the bahamas and you would someone would be at a project meeting with
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you and they'd say we can get money from the chinese construction company number seven and
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you kind of laugh and go is there a construction chinese company you know construction company
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number seven yeah there's seven to twelve right now right and you're like okay so they're funded
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with cash so part of the chinese model was to decentralize the banking system by sector put
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money into different economies and then reinvest right so that's how the the process worked
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interesting process however once that money gets live right how much comes back yeah right and
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where does it go because all of a sudden if i you know i've been living in china and they give me
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that's a great point a hundred million dollars to go to the bahamas to build a resort
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i'm not going back right i'm not giving the money back right right so they got to go get them to
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chase it so this this guy actually feels like he's a bounty hunter a little bit you know i i was
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reading between the lines on this one and i don't now maybe not a bounty hunter but he's certainly
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he's assisting right he's an investigator trying to get their money back right but apparently so
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now the problem is these people took the money get live in different countries they have power
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money and influence so they start to actually say to the governments that they're where they are
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i'm staying here yeah you know i'm putting money into campaigns i'm doing all this stuff they don't
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want to get involved so now what do they do how do they get their money back so then they have to
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come and try to infiltrate yeah but the interesting about this one at the end of the day i thought
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the interesting thing about this is the federal prosecutors appealed the case so he was acquitted
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let's make this yeah he was acquitted yeah on all charges yeah free to go and then out of the blue
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within weeks i think yeah the prosecution wants an appeal they want to go back to court they think
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that the judge missed some key points in this and they want to go back and retry the case well
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and the interesting thing is uh we're over having discussions with china yeah right so
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the relationship's getting better all of a sudden next thing you know so the the question i guess
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is if you're which is very interesting the next few cases like this that come up are they going
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to get it acquitted i wondered so that's is this over now like i'm thinking maybe these this hat
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trick is uh the last of the hat tricks right maybe this is the message coming back now to
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people abroad who have money that they receive funding from china hey you better pay up because
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they're actually sending people yeah uh you know i think that uh as you take a look at all the
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different crime and uh um you know the various stories that we looked at this week the one thing
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that i will say is that the police service and the investigation element of stuff is at the forefront
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these stories have you noticed this yes like well there's a lot to be investigated in this country
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right now oh yeah it's uh and at the same time we're seeing on these pages in front of us a lot
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of people taking a walk i'll give you an example in our first story uh the uh young bennett
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charged how many times gun offenses and a cop gets shot uh we're looking at actual officers
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getting charged and acquitted of spying of all things uh and you know yeah i guess that's what
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it would be called all of these stories you'd almost think that somebody would have made a stop
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on this three spies yeah three charges against this guy more investigation more action and actual
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jail time i think is required to reign some of this in i don't think any officer any legal
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authority or expert would disagree with that we we let things too willy-nilly here yeah well i think
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coming out of covid we we we got used to it you know we're we're trying to we're softening our
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sentencing we're catch and release with soft everything was softening right you know we don't
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want to be hard on we we put people you know in their homes for so many years so let's be a you
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know a little nicer a little softer a little kinder yeah yeah give them their freedoms back
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that we understand unfortunately at the same time as you mentioned on the highways of of
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canada you know uh we were trucking in massive amounts of illegal substances guns trafficking
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trafficking humans we were there's a there's a very tragic underbelly going on as we were trying
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to soften up our police enforcement enforcement so we're seeing the effects now we are two guys
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in blue shirts with pencils and an eye on the crime we do it once a week uh paul thanks i do
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