True Patriot Love

00:00:00.000 Today on True Patriot Love, I'm joined by Jonathan Harvey, and we're going to talk about MAID.

00:00:11.080 Right? Not a great topic.

00:00:12.540 No, it's terrible. It's nice to see it, but it's terrible that we're talking about MAID.

00:00:15.480 Yeah, it is.

00:00:16.880 So we just, you know, before the show, we started talking about the acronym.

00:00:20.340 Yes.

00:00:20.920 Right, which I've always hate acronyms in this case.

00:00:23.840 So medically assistance in dying.

00:00:26.340 Yes.

00:00:26.620 So medical suicide, really.

00:00:30.100 Essentially is what it is.

00:00:31.240 Yeah, so let's call it what it is, because MAID, quite frankly, makes it sound comforting and caring and take care of you, right? 0.72

00:00:39.400 And I think, you know, we use these acronyms sometimes to soften what we're really doing.

00:00:43.640 It's a branding tool, in my opinion.

00:00:45.180 Yeah.

00:00:45.500 But it's dark.

00:00:46.080 I mean, the reality of this program is I think nearly 100,000 people in Canada have been killed through this program since 2016.

00:00:53.560 Yeah.

00:00:53.680 So it's anything but warm.

00:00:55.300 It's anything but caring.

00:00:57.580 Well, let's jump into some stats here, because I was absolutely shocked.

00:01:03.060 We're second in the world for deaths from MAID.

00:01:06.460 Second in the world per capita.

00:01:08.400 Per capita, yes.

00:01:09.180 But we are leading the way in raw numbers by 65% annually over the Netherlands.

00:01:14.960 Really?

00:01:15.240 Yeah, so the Netherlands are just under 10,000 a year, and we now crossed 16,499 was the number in 2024, which I imagine is probably closer to 18,000 or so in 2025.

00:01:25.560 So it just keeps growing.

00:01:27.360 Oh, yeah.

00:01:27.560 It's like one of those.

00:01:28.180 So we just kept going, and it's increasing.

00:01:32.280 The leading cause is cancer.

00:01:35.160 So they say that 63% of the cases that come are cancer cases, which we're going to do a show on cancer.

00:01:42.140 So I won't go too far into cancer.

00:01:43.900 But here's my pet peeve on that one a little bit, and then you can tell me to be quiet and move on.

00:01:48.760 My pet peeve is preventative, then.

00:01:51.740 Yes.

00:01:52.240 Like, if we know 63% of these people are coming to MAID because they have cancers that they know are going to kill them, the average age is 77 for people who use the MAID system.

00:02:03.300 We barely do anything preventative or talk preventatively about cancer in Canada.

00:02:08.760 So we've kind of put that on the back burner.

00:02:10.660 We know it's the number one killer of Canadians, but yet we still keep progressing along and not doing anything progressive, diet, health care, MRI.

00:02:22.760 Nothing proactive, you know, to get in front of it.

00:02:25.860 But we keep seeing it growing on the back end now.

00:02:28.400 Yep.

00:02:28.900 Yeah.

00:02:29.300 Which drives me nuts.

00:02:30.640 To me, what makes it worse is so originally we had something called Track One.

00:02:34.780 Now, Track One MAID program was for people that were terminally ill.

00:02:38.560 You had to have a certain number of days left to live effectively to qualify for the program.

00:02:44.920 Right.

00:02:45.320 And then in 2021, through Bill C-7, we opened up something called Track Two.

00:02:49.320 Okay.

00:02:49.800 Now, what that is, is that allows people to apply for and use MAID if they're not terminally ill, but if they're uncomfortable, if they have some other health issues.

00:02:58.420 Basically, you can look at a compound effect of saying, well, their life's not great.

00:03:02.220 And that's effectively enough to do the job.

00:03:04.040 But it has to be illness related, right?

00:03:05.820 So Track Two now, what it did was it lowered the age.

00:03:08.800 So prior to Track Two, the average age of MAID in Canada was 80.

00:03:13.080 And now it's, now you said it's down to 77.

00:03:15.440 Yeah.

00:03:15.540 Anybody using Track Two is actually closer to 75, if that's their way out.

00:03:19.800 Okay.

00:03:19.920 But what's alarming is most people, like the majority of them, just say that they feel like a burden on those around them.

00:03:25.500 And this is why they take this way out, which is, which is pretty dark.

00:03:28.660 Yeah.

00:03:29.320 Well, you know, we were looking, it's interesting.

00:03:31.480 So we were trying to dig through kind of one of the younger cases.

00:03:35.060 And we came across a gentleman, a young gentleman, 26, Keanu.

00:03:39.700 And, you know, his mother was all over social media.

00:03:42.820 Yeah.

00:03:43.180 Talking about the fact that he'd been born with type 1 diabetes.

00:03:47.320 Yeah.

00:03:47.880 He had gone blind.

00:03:49.400 Partially blind in one eye.

00:03:50.600 Partially blind in one eye and so much in the other eye.

00:03:52.940 And, and he had had depression.

00:03:55.860 Yeah.

00:03:56.260 He actually qualified for two.

00:03:58.700 So he, he qualified in Ontario in 2022.

00:04:02.360 Okay. 0.63

00:04:02.940 And what they did was they, they rescinded the, they rescinded the offer effectively because of backlash, because his mother was like, are you insane?

00:04:10.080 He doesn't, he should not qualify for this.

00:04:12.300 These things are all manageable.

00:04:13.480 And he's in his, he was in his mid early twenties at the time.

00:04:16.120 So what he did was, and this is a problem for me, instead of there being some sort of federal registry, he just went over to BC.

00:04:23.060 And then qualified.

00:04:24.200 And then they just carried through the process and that was it.

00:04:27.360 He was gone.

00:04:28.000 So now his mother is, is very much up in arms and rightfully so. 1.00

00:04:32.300 This is wrongful euthanasia, right?

00:04:34.100 At 26 years old, the kid had his life taken from him.

00:04:36.740 And she said that he was obsessed with this, which to me tells me he was also suffering some, from some kind of mental health issues to be obsessed with the MAID program in any way.

00:04:46.480 But yeah, it just shows you kind of where the program is going.

00:04:49.480 And it's kind of back to your point earlier.

00:04:50.900 You said like, we're not doing anything proactive, but what we are doing is we're expanding access and reach of this program to go well beyond terminal illness.

00:04:59.440 So it's, it's just going to keep getting worse and worse and worse if we don't kind of correct course here.

00:05:04.400 And I don't know if you, if you've seen this yet, but in 2027, they'll be opening up or they're on schedule to open up something called track three.

00:05:13.280 That's anyone with mental illness can now qualify with, with mental illness alone as the, as you're predicated upon.

00:05:20.620 Yeah. So what's crazy is they're already lining people up that have Parkinson's, a few other things that are just, you know, issues that are well considered mental illness, mental, anything that's kind of in that realm.

00:05:35.360 So, um, and yeah, they're lining up to, to be killed, you know, post 2027.

00:05:39.380 So it's going to get a lot worse.

00:05:40.820 So, you know, this is interesting and you, a couple of points that you made, Jonathan, the Ontario, Quebec and BC make up 85% of the case.

00:05:48.920 So people from there make up 85% of the cases.

00:05:51.800 Right.

00:05:53.080 Which is crazy.

00:05:54.180 If you think about it.

00:05:54.880 It's insane.

00:05:55.280 Right.

00:05:55.460 Quebec right now.

00:05:56.180 So it is the, um, fifth leading cause of death, death, I believe in Canada, 5% of all deaths in Canada came from the maid program. 0.94

00:06:05.520 Um, but in Quebec, it's actually 7%.

00:06:07.860 So more people do this in Quebec.

00:06:10.520 Yeah.

00:06:10.860 Per capita.

00:06:11.500 Yes.

00:06:12.100 Which you think about it, probably you always think of Quebec being highly religious.

00:06:17.080 Yeah.

00:06:17.480 Yeah.

00:06:17.840 Right.

00:06:18.080 Right.

00:06:18.900 But there's no kick, like, you know, remember the abortion, you know, anti, you know, pro pro abortion issue, you know.

00:06:26.760 Roe, uh, all those things, all those crazy cases.

00:06:29.820 But, you know, you look at that and you think to yourself, man, there were a lot of cases on this, a lot of controversy still in the States.

00:06:35.800 That's one of the election questions that goes every year.

00:06:38.700 You know, what's your stance on abortion.

00:06:41.480 Right.

00:06:41.640 And it's always one of those controversial.

00:06:44.760 This just seemed to pass.

00:06:46.600 This went through and it, and even in a, uh, what I consider a religious province like Quebec is the highest.

00:06:54.620 Right.

00:06:55.060 And it's, it's interesting you say that there's another woman.

00:06:57.280 I think she just went by Mrs. B.

00:06:58.900 If I remember correctly, uh, she was around 80 years old and she had, she looked into, uh, getting made because she was suffering from a couple of things.

00:07:08.460 And then she pulled back herself and goes, you know what, for religious reasons, I don't want to do this.

00:07:13.680 This was an Ontario case.

00:07:15.480 Right.

00:07:15.760 Um, however, even though the original doctor said, okay, we're not doing it.

00:07:20.460 Another doctor said, we're not doing it.

00:07:22.060 A third one for, I don't even know why this person was approached.

00:07:25.760 A third one was approached and it was done online.

00:07:28.440 Not even in person 48 hours later.

00:07:30.800 Even though the woman did not want to do it, they had her life taken.

00:07:34.620 Really?

00:07:35.160 Oh, the program's a mess.

00:07:36.220 The program, there is over 450 cases that what they're considering, um, maybe malpractice would be the word.

00:07:42.820 In the last five years for MAID in Ontario alone, that they're, I, that the problem is this, they're like sort of looking into it.

00:07:50.980 They openly admit that there's 450 cases over five years that have been, or are being considered malpractice.

00:07:58.060 There doesn't seem to be any accountability here.

00:08:00.400 Well, the, the interesting thing.

00:08:01.520 So I went back and, you know, legislatively, I was curious because I, I'm thinking to myself, I don't even remember MAID.

00:08:07.640 I don't even remember the program.

00:08:09.280 I don't even remember the certificates of it.

00:08:10.780 I don't like, I'm trying to think, did I ever remember that?

00:08:12.920 Did I have, I probably read it and I probably thought, oh, that's because I grew up, uh, only thinking that the place they could do this was Switzerland.

00:08:20.680 Right.

00:08:21.180 That was kind of how in my, my day, but you know, 2015, the Supreme court rules that criminal prohibition on physically assisted dying violated the Canadian charter of rights and freedoms.

00:08:38.300 So they overturned it.

00:08:39.620 Yep.

00:08:39.860 Right.

00:08:40.220 The Supreme court went to the Supreme court, uh, Carter versus Canada.

00:08:44.820 And then they said the court gave the parliament one year to create a new law.

00:08:49.760 I don't know why they gave them the timeline.

00:08:51.440 I don't know why they were so adamant to move forward.

00:08:54.740 Yeah.

00:08:55.040 2015, the Trudeau era.

00:08:57.480 Yep.

00:08:58.040 Yeah.

00:08:58.580 Right.

00:08:59.000 So this was something that was on their mind.

00:09:00.920 Obviously they wanted to move this forward.

00:09:02.700 Um, as you mentioned, you know, bill C 14 comes in and we're often right now, the vote, this is interesting.

00:09:12.000 I thought this is because I went back to the vote.

00:09:13.800 I'm thinking, okay, bill C 14, I should, I should have remembered this.

00:09:17.560 It passed in the Senate 44 to 28, pretty resounding.

00:09:22.120 Yeah, that is then it passed.

00:09:25.420 It passed, I think, and I'm trying to find it here.

00:09:27.760 It passed one.

00:09:30.220 Oh, here it is.

00:09:31.020 It passed the house one 86 to one 37.

00:09:34.200 That's also pretty strong.

00:09:35.760 That's also a lot of support.

00:09:36.940 That's bipartisan support.

00:09:38.280 Yeah.

00:09:39.340 Yeah.

00:09:39.780 That's surprising to me.

00:09:40.660 I think that this was sold as compassion.

00:09:42.940 Right.

00:09:44.040 And I think people were convinced that that's what it was.

00:09:46.080 And I'm going to be honest with you.

00:09:47.340 Maybe that is what it, what it was originally planned to be.

00:09:52.380 You know, in 2016, they had just over a thousand deaths via maid.

00:09:56.960 Um, I don't think you could have asked anybody that voted for it,

00:10:00.120 that they would have seen 10 years later that that number exploded to 20,000 a year

00:10:04.160 and included people that were not terminally ill.

00:10:06.620 And now we're on track to let people that have mental illness. 0.94

00:10:09.060 I don't think people saw that as the path that it was on.

00:10:12.020 Like you said, they were doing it in Switzerland when you were younger and it never decayed.

00:10:15.780 It never, it never turned into what it is today in Canada.

00:10:18.980 So I went to, I went to the stats in Switzerland.

00:10:20.820 You were going in the same path I went.

00:10:22.960 So I'm thinking to myself, okay, I grew up, you know, since 1942, they did this in Switzerland.

00:10:28.440 I'm thinking this has to be a huge number.

00:10:30.980 Now, Switzerland, small country, it's like 8 million, 10 million people.

00:10:33.900 It's a small country.

00:10:35.000 So I'm thinking, okay, it's going to be, you know, uh, a fourth of ours or whatever.

00:10:40.340 Right.

00:10:41.160 It's 1700 people and they allow outside people to come in and get it done.

00:10:45.840 Right.

00:10:47.340 So not, not all the people getting it done are even from Switzerland, but it's only 1700 people.

00:10:52.880 So I'm thinking, oh my goodness, like we're at 16,000 with primarily from three provinces and there's 1700 and they've been doing it the longest, probably they're, they're the most experienced at it.

00:11:06.800 Yeah.

00:11:07.400 And no one's saying like, no one at some point is saying time out here.

00:11:11.000 Yeah.

00:11:11.380 Because they seem to have reasonable guardrails.

00:11:13.920 Yeah.

00:11:14.400 Right.

00:11:14.700 Like, that's what it is.

00:11:15.540 Like, you know, we look at this originally, I think it was looked at as like an alternative to palliative care effectively.

00:11:20.880 Right.

00:11:21.400 Yeah.

00:11:21.660 You know, instead of fentanyl and morphine, they basically just take your life that day and that's the end of it.

00:11:25.740 Now, it's actually quite a brutal process.

00:11:27.700 It's nowhere near as peaceful as palliative care.

00:11:29.960 I think if people knew what it was, they would be pretty turned off by it.

00:11:33.960 But anyway, that's probably a conversation for another day.

00:11:37.160 For me, what's driving it in Canada, when you look at the numbers are cost savings.

00:11:41.980 That's effectively what this is.

00:11:43.660 You know, they have said that this program is going to continue to expand.

00:11:46.580 And there was one report and it's, it wasn't verified, but it wasn't really refuted either by the government.

00:11:53.340 One report said that between 2027 and 2047, we could see up to 14 million people taken by this program.

00:11:59.000 That is bananas.

00:12:01.580 14 million people.

00:12:03.660 Well, yeah, that's a big number.

00:12:05.220 That's huge.

00:12:05.620 That's a huge number.

00:12:06.480 That's crazy.

00:12:07.100 But the thing is, I started thinking, why would they be doing this?

00:12:09.660 And then I looked into it in 2020, I believe it was 2020 or 2021, they basically said, we saved $150 million by providing maid care instead of palliative and other care.

00:12:23.760 So then you kind of do the math and you go, okay, well, about 10,000 people had their lives taken that year.

00:12:28.520 So we're talking about $15,000 of savings per person.

00:12:31.980 And then you look at our, you look at our deficit, you look at our cost, our spending issues, and you go, oh, if they can throw 15 million people on that list, well, now you're saving hundreds of billions of dollars.

00:12:42.200 Now it starts to make a little more sense.

00:12:44.600 Well, yeah.

00:12:45.260 And then you look at it, you know, it's interesting because there's eight, we do this on our budget show.

00:12:49.840 There's roughly 8 million people over, I think it's 8.1 million people over 65 today.

00:12:56.220 They're talking about that going up over 10 million, 2035, 2036.

00:13:01.120 Yep.

00:13:01.980 So, you know, we see that, you know, number of new Canadians going down as far as births, number of older Canadians going up.

00:13:09.820 So we see the curve reversing, right?

00:13:11.560 The two are going in different directions.

00:13:14.160 Low productivity, we're a country, we talk about this on almost every show we do now, and we bring it up constantly.

00:13:20.100 We're a low productivity country.

00:13:23.440 Yes.

00:13:23.700 Our productivity needs to increase to sustain.

00:13:26.100 So we know these things are happening.

00:13:28.260 May comes in and it starts to ramp up.

00:13:31.980 We don't have any more money for it.

00:13:34.800 What can we do more for health care?

00:13:36.260 I guess we could build another three hospitals.

00:13:39.460 We're building these mega hospitals anyways. 0.82

00:13:41.880 Cripes, you know, every time we have an issue, it's let's pay them more.

00:13:46.020 Yeah.

00:13:46.360 Let's build another hospital. 0.99

00:13:47.580 But we don't realize the system doesn't work.

00:13:49.800 Yeah.

00:13:49.980 It's effectively putting a Band-Aid on a broken leg.

00:13:52.160 Yeah.

00:13:52.440 We throw more money at the medical health care system.

00:13:55.760 Than anything.

00:13:56.280 Yeah.

00:13:56.540 Than anything we have in Canada because we don't want to address it.

00:13:59.060 We know what it is.

00:14:00.000 We know how broken it is.

00:14:01.100 Yes.

00:14:01.160 We know the doctors are a mess.

00:14:03.220 We know all that.

00:14:04.000 We know the billing is a mess.

00:14:05.180 We know the functioning of it is a mess.

00:14:06.960 We know all of that.

00:14:07.900 But we want to ignore all that because it's votes.

00:14:10.540 Yes.

00:14:11.020 And we want to do this thing where we say, okay, hey, citizens, you know, we're going

00:14:15.240 to give you another hospital, right?

00:14:18.040 Which is great because a bunch of construction guys get a bunch of work and, you know, it's

00:14:21.920 good for the economy.

00:14:23.080 The secondary benefits.

00:14:23.780 Yeah.

00:14:24.060 It throws some jobs.

00:14:25.240 It makes a bunch of guys, you know, who build hospitals really happy because that's a very

00:14:29.220 specific niche to do.

00:14:31.280 And there's only so many companies that can do it.

00:14:33.180 So it makes them super happy.

00:14:34.860 I get it.

00:14:35.640 But what does it do for palliative care?

00:14:38.100 It does nothing, right?

00:14:39.060 A hospital is not used for palliative care.

00:14:40.800 They don't do huge palliative care centers.

00:14:42.940 You know, they're starting to do a few of them here and there, but still it's pretty

00:14:46.660 small.

00:14:47.260 So the overall plan is going in that direction.

00:14:51.260 But Canadians seem to be okay with it.

00:14:53.760 That's what I can't figure out.

00:14:54.720 Like politicians have already said, okay, you know, unanimously they agree and went through,

00:15:00.300 but they keep letting you expand.

00:15:02.920 So now you're track three you're talking about, you know, so now I don't take care of myself

00:15:10.340 or I just have bad genetics quite frankly.

00:15:13.040 And I come down with Parkinson's, but, you know, I went through it.

00:15:17.060 So, you know, I, you know, personal story, I went through it with my mom.

00:15:20.600 Right.

00:15:21.240 But she was pretty happy.

00:15:22.440 She went eight years, you know, and things declined and the last couple of years were

00:15:26.400 rough, but overall, you know, I had someone who, you know, still spoke to me, you know,

00:15:32.320 I got two minutes at the end, you know, a day where I, she would have a really lucent

00:15:40.820 conversation with me about something in the past.

00:15:43.180 But you know what?

00:15:43.920 I love that.

00:15:44.700 Like the fact that I got it was worth it.

00:15:47.660 You know what I mean?

00:15:48.360 And I, you know, I don't know how she felt, but she wasn't in pain.

00:15:52.000 She wasn't unhappy.

00:15:53.420 She wasn't doing all those things that I worried about.

00:15:55.680 Like she was fine.

00:15:58.380 She was a happy person with, you know.

00:16:01.600 Right.

00:16:02.260 Yeah, of course.

00:16:03.020 Yeah.

00:16:03.160 I mean, they're using it like they're lining people for Alzheimer's, dementia as well.

00:16:06.240 And it's all, again, what are we doing preventatively?

00:16:09.380 What are we doing to try to make people's lives better beforehand?

00:16:11.580 And it seems that we just don't care.

00:16:13.120 And if you look at, if you reverse engineer the system, like you said, it seems that they're

00:16:17.040 not really, they're not really considering any other path.

00:16:20.040 That's why I don't, I actually genuinely don't think it'll be 14 million people between

00:16:25.120 2027 and 2047.

00:16:26.680 I don't.

00:16:27.540 I think it can be several million, maybe up to five.

00:16:30.160 But the fact that they haven't refuted that to me tells me that they're on one path.

00:16:34.180 And like you said, they're not building these large palliative care centers.

00:16:37.120 We have an aging population.

00:16:38.540 It's only going in one direction.

00:16:40.240 And it seems that people are becoming okay with this over time because there's a slow

00:16:46.080 drip of new information.

00:16:47.520 It's, it's slowly increasing slowly.

00:16:49.720 I mean, relatively speaking, you know, they're, they're slowly increasing the track from one

00:16:54.900 to two to three.

00:16:56.080 Now, I don't know if you remember this about two years ago, they were trying to push for

00:17:00.820 track three.

00:17:02.120 They were going to let people with mental illness apply for MAID, but there was actually significant

00:17:06.080 pushback.

00:17:06.740 Yes.

00:17:07.100 People in society were like, no, no, no, this is way too far.

00:17:09.840 We've got to stop.

00:17:10.540 So what they did was, yeah, they pushed off to 2027 where it's apparently supposed to

00:17:14.740 be rubber stamped.

00:17:15.540 Now I know that's not how it works.

00:17:16.980 There will be some sort of debate and conversation.

00:17:19.180 However, if you have a majority liberal government, it will be rubber stamped.

00:17:22.560 Oh yeah, this definitely is an initiative that they've, they want to get behind and they

00:17:27.640 feel needs to happen.

00:17:28.860 Yes.

00:17:29.440 So, but it's interesting and, you know, some things I think we could do now.

00:17:33.980 So I looked at it and I, the first thing that came to my mind was age restriction.

00:17:38.080 Yeah.

00:17:38.660 So like, okay, I get it.

00:17:40.400 You know, you're on this path.

00:17:42.940 Allowing an 18 year old to enter the system to me is just bizarre.

00:17:48.240 Insane.

00:17:48.880 Yeah.

00:17:49.180 To me, it's like, what, who is thinking, you know, so this gentleman who's, who's 26.

00:17:56.380 Right.

00:17:57.420 The sad part of that is technology might've caught up with them.

00:18:01.420 That's how I see things.

00:18:02.520 I think anything that's wrong with you today, if you're under 50, there's a good chance 1.00

00:18:05.400 it'll be solved in the next 10 years.

00:18:07.020 Exactly.

00:18:07.520 Right.

00:18:07.700 Like, so like, you know, I know he was down and he was depressed and things weren't going

00:18:12.480 well, but quite frankly, you know, just saying like, you know, hang on till, hang on

00:18:17.340 till you're 50.

00:18:18.520 Right.

00:18:19.100 And if by 50, it's still not like, and I don't know if 50 is the magic age.

00:18:23.160 No, no, but it's a good place to start.

00:18:25.060 Why not?

00:18:25.400 Why not make it 50? 0.70

00:18:26.260 But 18 to me seems ridiculous.

00:18:28.360 I don't know.

00:18:29.080 And when this thing passes, I'm, I'm shocked when I read through it, that that was even a

00:18:33.840 consideration.

00:18:34.480 Cause right away, if I'm sitting in the legislature, I'm sitting in the house and that comes across

00:18:38.320 my desk, I'm like 18. 0.99

00:18:40.560 Are you, are you crazy? 0.97

00:18:41.800 Like make it 65, what used to be the retirement age. 0.98

00:18:45.020 I'm actually, that's the number I would have picked.

00:18:46.440 Yeah.

00:18:46.760 Yeah.

00:18:47.020 Like peg it to something that we can kind of, you know, say, and, and at least we're,

00:18:52.260 we're, we're using a rationale for it.

00:18:55.540 But the fact that we're allowing like, um, which people who have no experience in life.

00:19:01.440 Of course, when you're 18 years, your brain's not, especially as a man, your brain's not 0.86

00:19:05.020 fully formed until you're in your mid twenties.

00:19:06.820 Well, even this gentleman, this gentleman never, I don't think he ever had a job.

00:19:10.260 No.

00:19:11.000 Right.

00:19:11.240 So unfortunately, quite frankly, his life experience was probably minimal, minimal, a little bit

00:19:16.380 of school.

00:19:17.200 He probably struggled with school because of some of, you know, trying to work and he was

00:19:21.040 probably taking special education to get through some of the challenges he had, which was bumming

00:19:26.160 him out.

00:19:26.460 Right.

00:19:26.720 But, but, you know, you look at all the brilliant people in the world, you know, uh, but Charlie,

00:19:30.920 all the people that you were, that were blind or had disabilities, they went on to do brilliant

00:19:35.660 things.

00:19:36.140 Yep.

00:19:36.340 And you're like, my goodness, like giving up on these people at such a young age.

00:19:41.580 Um, and, you know, at certain ages, you know, in your twenties, I don't, I don't know

00:19:46.620 many 20 year olds who don't go through some form of depression.

00:19:51.040 For sure. 0.99

00:19:51.620 The twenties suck, right? 0.91

00:19:52.780 You're figuring your life out. 0.99

00:19:53.960 You're not really, your, your emotional capacity is pretty low.

00:19:57.060 You don't have enough experience.

00:19:58.140 And it's like the first time you go through anything, it can be devastating.

00:20:00.860 The fifth time you're kind of like, oh, okay, been here, no stress, but it's like, you're

00:20:04.520 doing a lot of firsts through your twenties.

00:20:06.440 So to say that that's enough of a metric to call it quits is insane to me.

00:20:09.820 Oh yeah.

00:20:10.680 No, no.

00:20:11.280 Well, you know, and, and quite frankly, you know, in your twenties, uh, you're really going

00:20:17.820 through a lot of, uh, biological changes, right?

00:20:21.140 Your, your mind, to your point, you're going to work, you know, you're trying to figure

00:20:25.340 out, uh, how to deal with different forms of authority.

00:20:28.580 You're trying to figure out how to make income.

00:20:31.160 You're, you know, all those things are happening to you.

00:20:33.560 And on top of it, if they get sick, they're trying to figure out how to manage their independence

00:20:39.640 versus their parents.

00:20:40.620 There's so many things happening.

00:20:41.960 You're overcoming adversity.

00:20:43.220 Yeah.

00:20:43.600 That's the thing that I don't think people realize.

00:20:45.440 And I think this is your point.

00:20:46.640 And I totally agree with you.

00:20:48.720 Life is all about overcoming adversity.

00:20:50.560 That's how you become a much better and more complete human.

00:20:52.880 That's how your life gets better.

00:20:54.340 As you face challenges, you overcome them.

00:20:56.360 You put more tools in your belt, and you're just a more capable individual with more versatility.

00:21:01.000 But now what they're saying is, as soon as you meet adversity, we're willing to call

00:21:05.020 it mental illness, because let's be honest, they call everything mental illness these

00:21:07.800 days.

00:21:08.300 And then once you qualify under mental illness, well, now you can just take your own 0.99

00:21:11.480 life. 1.00

00:21:11.980 Catch you later.

00:21:12.920 This is insane.

00:21:13.700 This is categorically insane.

00:21:15.900 And there's no way this should be happening.

00:21:17.420 And I hope in 2027, enough people push back.

00:21:19.660 I hope there's a strong support from this side, the way we feel, to say, hey, look, we

00:21:23.620 need other guardrails here.

00:21:25.980 We need a stopgap measure, because this is ruining the country.

00:21:29.920 So does three definitely doesn't go forward?

00:21:32.320 Like, in my mind, pushing back means three doesn't go forward.

00:21:35.740 That's my feeling as well.

00:21:37.140 Right.

00:21:38.040 What happens to two?

00:21:39.500 So track two.

00:21:40.160 So track two is death is not reasonably foreseeable.

00:21:43.940 So this is the one where you've kind of been in pain for 10 years.

00:21:47.180 This is this gentleman we're talking about.

00:21:49.260 You know, he had type 1D of a diabetes.

00:21:51.300 His vision was going.

00:21:52.500 And so he went to BC, and that's how he had it done.

00:21:56.120 So, like, how do we...

00:21:59.220 How do we curb it?

00:22:00.640 Well, does track two go away?

00:22:03.720 Well, track two was done through Bill C-7 in 2021.

00:22:07.000 They'd have to do some sort of formal process to repeal it in some capacity.

00:22:11.280 I don't know what the political will is to do that.

00:22:15.420 I don't know.

00:22:15.880 I don't know what it looks like.

00:22:16.860 Because, you know, when you look at it from a pragmatic perspective as a politician, what

00:22:22.720 infrastructure do they have to provide support for those people otherwise?

00:22:26.340 And to your point, not great.

00:22:28.260 So I don't think you're going to see a lot of pushback because I think people that are

00:22:31.660 in looking at their political career and, you know, looking at advancing their political

00:22:36.580 career, if they make decisions that make taxpayers put more money towards something, what does

00:22:42.840 that look like for a politician?

00:22:44.080 Generally bad, no matter what it is.

00:22:46.140 So if repealing track two or changing it or increasing the guardrails means that this

00:22:52.220 number gets lowered significantly, and therefore that cost gets put on to taxpayers in some

00:22:57.120 other capacity or some other degree, and it's significantly more, how are you going to get

00:23:01.580 politicians to jump on board?

00:23:03.040 In fact, how are you going to get the media to even support that, seeing that they're in

00:23:06.080 lockstep with the government?

00:23:07.960 But I'm with you.

00:23:08.980 But to me, if I'm a politician, this is where the risk gets a little high, right?

00:23:13.620 And I'm trying to do kind of a risk analysis on which side I sit on, right?

00:23:17.840 Because a bunch of people are sitting in this track two category that science may catch up

00:23:22.620 with.

00:23:23.780 So you'd hate to have that stat where you're going to be a little bit more.

00:23:27.120 You know, out of, you know, two million people, 600,000 are sitting in track two.

00:23:33.580 Yes.

00:23:34.720 And in 10 years, you could have saved.

00:23:39.000 Arguably 400,000.

00:23:40.640 Yeah.

00:23:40.820 Yeah.

00:23:41.000 500,000 people.

00:23:42.220 So, and you're going to say, because then quite frankly, now you might say, I probably won't

00:23:47.800 be around by those 10 years.

00:23:49.400 So there's no politicians who won't.

00:23:51.080 But those ones who will and still be in the system and still be alive are going to be

00:23:55.780 like, I'm going to be demonized.

00:23:57.960 Like at some point, like the world's going to say, man, you were like, you were putting

00:24:01.840 these people to death. 0.85

00:24:03.660 And you were allowing them to die when you knew that science might catch up to them.

00:24:09.000 You know, whether, you know, they're going to give them a new spine, whether they're going

00:24:12.520 to give them new eyes, whether they're going to, whatever they're going to do, right?

00:24:15.960 It's coming down that track.

00:24:17.200 And you, you saw that because you got Elon Musk, great.

00:24:20.420 Elon Musk this morning.

00:24:21.700 I was reading some stuff and he's saying money will not be relevant because of AI and not

00:24:28.240 very long.

00:24:29.180 Yeah.

00:24:29.760 So he's now talking about the fact that our concern about wealth is going to be insignificant

00:24:34.100 because AI is going to change that.

00:24:35.940 And it's a whole other show.

00:24:37.480 Sounds nice.

00:24:37.960 It's a whole other show, but he has a whole philosophy and I was trying to follow it.

00:24:41.800 It's a little bizarre at points, but I was trying to follow it all.

00:24:44.700 He's proving himself, so I'll give him the time, but I agree with you.

00:24:46.720 Yeah, but, but, you know, it's interesting that, you know, he's talking about the fact

00:24:50.520 that AI is going to change this.

00:24:52.100 Yes.

00:24:52.940 The fact that we're going to potentially do away with this many people before all this

00:24:58.780 technology gets up and then you're going to be sitting on that side and people are

00:25:01.720 going to say, well, why did you, I think, I think what they're going to have in their

00:25:05.980 favor is they're going to have the, we're playing what ifs right now.

00:25:08.980 We don't have answers.

00:25:09.940 So they're going to say, well, I don't know what if the world ends in a week.

00:25:13.080 Okay, cool.

00:25:13.980 I guess you could say that too.

00:25:15.100 So they're going to play this game of what ifs to justify, I believe, but I think it

00:25:19.740 really comes down to this.

00:25:21.100 How does the media frame the MAID program?

00:25:24.080 That's what I really believe it comes down to.

00:25:26.520 If the, if people, if enough people in Canada get to understand what this program is really

00:25:31.440 doing and how bad it is, I think we could see something change because it will stretch

00:25:36.040 the Overton window.

00:25:36.920 So politicians will go, it's in my best interest today to make some changes.

00:25:40.340 If the media does not take that approach and they continue to run cover for politicians

00:25:45.300 and continue to make this seem like effectively it's better than palliative care, which we

00:25:50.460 know that it's not.

00:25:51.280 If they keep playing that game, then I don't think enough Canadians will understand what's

00:25:56.500 happening before it's too late.

00:25:57.840 And I don't think that they will villainize the politicians.

00:26:00.260 As I mentioned, you and I both know this quite well.

00:26:03.560 Our mainstream media is in direct lockstep with our government.

00:26:06.860 Over 85% of them are funded by them.

00:26:08.600 So I really think this comes down to, and I hate to say it because so many lives are at

00:26:12.280 stake.

00:26:12.760 I think this comes down to branding and messaging, which is pretty dark.

00:26:15.840 Yeah.

00:26:16.360 MAID.

00:26:16.880 Yeah.

00:26:17.280 You know what?

00:26:17.940 It's interesting.

00:26:18.540 And this is where I got to tell you, and, you know, and I'm going to get a lot of dislikes

00:26:23.400 probably on this statement, but I'm going to say it anyways.

00:26:25.620 This is where living in the States, I, there were some things I liked and some things I didn't

00:26:29.940 like, but I actually liked referendums.

00:26:33.580 Agree.

00:26:34.260 100% agree.

00:26:34.720 No, I liked referendums.

00:26:35.940 I'm with you.

00:26:36.440 I think they're a great program.

00:26:37.420 You know, and, and the business I'm in, quite frankly, referendums were quite frequent and

00:26:42.020 they hurt me sometimes.

00:26:43.120 Right.

00:26:43.580 But I actually still respected them and I still liked them because I liked the population

00:26:47.980 to vote on key issues.

00:26:49.860 Agreed.

00:26:50.400 Right.

00:26:51.180 You know, you're going to do weed.

00:26:53.120 I want to hear you.

00:26:54.120 You're going to do gaming.

00:26:55.340 I want to hear you.

00:26:56.480 You know, you're going to do made.

00:26:58.300 I want to hear you.

00:26:59.220 Yeah.

00:26:59.640 Right.

00:26:59.880 But this is kind of crazy that the fact that, you know, this goes in, in a majority government,

00:27:05.880 right.

00:27:07.020 And it just keeps moving along and never gets put on a, you know, do you ever really

00:27:15.480 hear it on a policy platform during an election?

00:27:19.580 Never.

00:27:20.040 Never.

00:27:20.820 And it just comes up and that, that, you know, there should be some things that quite frankly

00:27:24.180 do make it to referendums.

00:27:25.740 And we do, we do put in stopgaps and whether we do it on a provincial basis.

00:27:32.540 I mean, for me, where are the watchdogs here?

00:27:35.140 Well, you know, it's interesting.

00:27:36.200 So separation is now, you know, as we're seeing in Alberta right now, separation has

00:27:41.220 become kind of a referendum issue, right?

00:27:42.880 They put in, you know, we are going to do some votes and stuff.

00:27:45.440 At some point, if we can't do it federally, we should do it provincially.

00:27:49.640 I agree.

00:27:50.220 I mean, we should put in some stopgaps that put a stop to certain things.

00:27:53.600 So my, my cry today is to Ontario, Quebec and BC, sit down and do that, sit down and

00:28:02.340 actually put something in that people have to come to the table and talk about this.

00:28:06.120 Yeah, I agree with you.

00:28:07.140 I mean, and you're seeing that the provinces obviously have a significant amount of power

00:28:10.340 in this to, to utilize and to, and sort of weaponize this program.

00:28:14.080 And we know that because BC has its own set of rules and they allow that kid from Ontario 0.99

00:28:18.620 to go there after being denied to get approved.

00:28:20.740 So obviously there's enough power within the provinces to move the needle in the right

00:28:24.380 direction here.

00:28:24.940 So I, I totally support what you're saying.

00:28:26.480 I think that would be the best approach.

00:28:27.780 And maybe it's something that we make a provincial issue as opposed to federal, because we seem

00:28:31.400 to have lost that fight.

00:28:32.760 Yeah.

00:28:33.040 Oh, I think federally we're done, right?

00:28:34.580 I think definitely in federal politics is, you know, quite fine.

00:28:37.960 Listen, not that they have, uh, well, they do let's, let's put it this way.

00:28:41.780 They have so many issues right now, you know, facing them with, uh, you know, the U S and

00:28:47.500 everything going on.

00:28:48.720 They're not going to get around to this.

00:28:50.100 This is just going to keep going on, you know, people who have, uh, an interest in

00:28:54.320 this are going to keep pushing the agenda when it comes up, they've already voted it.

00:28:58.300 So you're not going to retract your vote.

00:29:00.220 So quite frankly, if, if you've already, you know, if you've been in politics for since

00:29:04.600 2015 and you're still in politics and you voted on this, you're not going to all of a

00:29:08.860 sudden wake up one day and go, I'm going the other way.

00:29:11.020 Right.

00:29:12.020 Yeah.

00:29:13.020 I've made a huge mistake.

00:29:14.020 Yeah.

00:29:15.020 No politician ever.

00:29:16.020 76,000 people are gone and now I'm changing my opinion right now.

00:29:19.220 Probably should.

00:29:20.220 Yes.

00:29:21.220 Because that's not what you should come out and say, that's not what I voted for, but

00:29:25.020 they won't.

00:29:26.020 No, because then you're admitting fault.

00:29:27.240 Not to your point about retracting the program and changing pace here.

00:29:30.240 Um, yeah.

00:29:31.300 It happened because for some people it would be political suicide.

00:29:34.360 So it's tough.

00:29:34.840 It's, it's, it's a very challenging thing to overturn, especially like you said, at the

00:29:38.460 federal level, when they've got much bigger fish to fry and a program that's actually saving

00:29:43.320 them money.

00:29:44.060 So it's, we're in a tough spot here.

00:29:46.500 Yeah.

00:29:46.700 It's just one of many, but we're in a tough spot.

00:29:49.000 Well, Jonathan, thank you.

00:29:50.500 Yeah.

00:29:50.700 I appreciate it.

00:29:51.300 I know you've done a lot on this and, you know, as it progresses and, and, you know,

00:29:55.020 if they do go to three, I'd like to have you back on the show and go through

00:29:59.180 it.

00:29:59.380 So, uh, thank you everyone.

00:30:01.080 And do me a favor comments.

00:30:02.420 This one's really important.

00:30:03.640 Uh, I'm going to, uh, keep this narrative going because I think we need to keep talking

00:30:08.320 about it and please download our app and thank you.

00:30:12.260 All right.

00:30:12.900 Thanks.

MAiD Isn’t “Compassion” Anymore — Here’s Why

Episode Stats

People

Summary

Transcript