True Patriot Love - Mass Liberal Exodus？ Carney's Cabinet Shakeup & Bi-Election Fallout!

00:00:00.000 Hello there, I'm Jim, he's Paul. It's been quite a week in Canadian politics with the return to the

00:00:17.400 House of Commons from Mark Carney and the Liberals and the return of Pierre Polyev.

00:00:21.860 And days after the return, there was a number of announcements of prominent Liberal,

00:00:26.120 basically household names in this country, cabinet ministers, announcing their departure to take on

00:00:32.020 some pretty plum jobs, Paul, around the world. Oh yeah, for sure. And you know, coming and going,

00:00:37.320 you know, Krista Freeland, we thought was gone, then she came back and now she's gone again,

00:00:42.060 but she's not gone, right? So apparently she's gone, but she's going to keep her seat.

00:00:47.360 I don't know how that works, Jim, but I think, you know, hopefully someone will question that.

00:00:53.420 I mean, her job she's leaving for is the special envoy to Ukraine, right? It's in the hopes that

00:01:00.860 when the war ends and they rebuild, that Canada has a help in, in, you know, the trades and companies

00:01:07.460 and investment rebuilding Ukraine. I'm not sure a job of that magnitude, how you can continue to be

00:01:12.640 an active member of parliament and serve your constituents by trying to rebuild Ukraine.

00:01:17.700 It seems like a big job, right? It seems like a big job. Um, considering what are we into Ukraine for?

00:01:25.300 Oh, we mean money-wise? Yeah. We're well over 25 billion. Are we not now?

00:01:29.700 Yeah. So we're, you know, it, it seems like a lot of money to, to manage, quite frankly,

00:01:34.840 make sure it's going to the right place. And, uh, currently, and then to your point down the road,

00:01:40.060 uh, as everything gets hopefully resolved and, you know, we come to conclusion on this war, uh,

00:01:48.120 that she get involved in, uh, rebuilding the country, uh, helping the country. And also,

00:01:53.840 hopefully we reach some partnerships, right? Absolutely.

00:01:56.860 We're a significant contributor for the size of Canada. The amount of money we put into this conflict

00:02:01.300 or war, uh, has been significant. I hope, you know, we, uh, are there at the table participating

00:02:07.060 in contracts, construction, um, importing, exporting, all those good things that come

00:02:13.700 with a relationship based on the, the goodwill that we gained during this, this terrible time.

00:02:19.860 And I totally agree that we have to be at the table, Paul, but that, that was followed

00:02:24.300 shortly by a series of dominoes in Mark Carney's cabinet. Bill Blair, the minister of national

00:02:30.620 defense is going to lead to become the new high commissioner of the United Kingdom, but we're

00:02:35.100 not done there. Jonathan Wilkinson, the former energy minister has been offered a job in Brussels

00:02:40.940 as an ambassador to the European union. He's considering it. Steven Gilbo is going to leave

00:02:47.020 at a yet determined post, but he's going to stay on until October 19th. So he can get his full pension.

00:02:54.220 What's happening, Jim, where are they all going and what? So they just, so let's get it. They wanted

00:02:59.020 to go through the election. They wanted to get the party, uh, get the seats they elected, get the seats

00:03:04.060 they need. Um, which they did, you know, it's got a really healthy minority. Um, and then

00:03:10.300 pulled a parachute. It sounds like a golden parachute, Paul. So to me, it seems like, um,

00:03:16.460 the Carney cabinet is going to have a new look. And I hear this from so many people. Well, you know,

00:03:21.580 Mark Carney's like a conservative and there's going to be an old school Mulroney conservative slant to the

00:03:27.420 new look liberal Carney cabinet, right? Where a lot of these former cabinet ministers were the

00:03:33.580 Justin Trudeau type liberals. And I'm not sure Carney has a lot of patience and time for that.

00:03:39.260 And that's not the vision he has for the country over the next few years.

00:03:42.700 So, so pre-planned, you think this, you know, a little suspicious, right? So we go through an

00:03:48.460 election, we get here and also, and so are these positions already been promised? Is this something that,

00:03:53.900 you know, was in the works, uh, months ago and we are just kind of hearing like, it's like,

00:03:59.740 oh my goodness, this is just popped up. It's difficult to believe this just came

00:04:03.980 out of the woodwork during lunch on Tuesday, that they're going to make a decision Wednesday

00:04:08.220 to offer you and I, these plump posts across Europe. And it continues, David Lamedi,

00:04:12.940 Carney's current principal secretary, which is a pretty prominent job in the prime minister's office,

00:04:17.820 will be given a top diplomatic post, possibly replacing the very, very capable Bob Ray as

00:04:24.620 Canada's ambassador to the United nations. Yeah. I saw that. Who's done it. Bob's done a pretty

00:04:29.180 good job. Very good job. And I think you got to take your hat off to him. Um, I know he was a Trudeau

00:04:34.300 guy, right? So, and so that might've came to hurt him in the end, but, but, you know, I thought he,

00:04:39.900 uh, represented us, uh, us very well at, you know, uh, the UN and, uh, I don't know if he can fill his

00:04:46.940 issues right now. So my question is, as a Canadian with all these people leaving their

00:04:52.220 post in the liberal cabinet to take on these international positions, that would obviously,

00:04:57.660 would it not mean a series of by-elections and different ridings across the country?

00:05:02.700 Yeah, I guess so. They couldn't have been, you know, and this is an interesting, so if I'm a voter

00:05:06.700 in the ridings, so I have to ask myself, you know, did I get a fair shake with my vote? You know, did we,

00:05:14.620 you know, elections aren't cheap, right? So, you know, this is something we take seriously because

00:05:19.180 of just number one, the cost. I'm always harping on costs, but you know, we went through that. It

00:05:24.860 took time, energy, money to do it. All these people went out, took the time, voted for the

00:05:30.380 party they wanted the time and the person they voted for is gone. So now new person in the riding,

00:05:35.980 new by-elections. And if it's not a by-election, why isn't it a by-election? So here, my question,

00:05:41.900 you know, this was one, you know, with Freeland, right? We just hit it on at the beginning of the

00:05:47.980 podcast. So if you're not going, you're going to stay and you're going to stay. So she said,

00:05:52.860 I'm going to stay and not run again. So she's going to be vacant. She's going to be gone. She's

00:05:58.060 not going to show up. She's going to be, well, like, what was, okay, great. So you're not going

00:06:02.220 to represent your riding. You're not going to have the time. We're going to have a designated

00:06:06.860 inner spot. Don't you think it, okay. So, you know, and this is, you know, uh, uh, uh,

00:06:12.700 pure poly, you know, the conservative leader comment, where are you? So that's fine. These

00:06:19.100 people stepped down. Where are you at the table saying foul timeout what's going on? Like, again,

00:06:26.220 you know, we have lots of time for witty dialogue, right? But sarcastic jokes and put downs. Exactly.

00:06:36.300 Right. So we have lots of time for it, but, but where are we, when it comes to these issues? So,

00:06:41.900 you know, whether it be, uh, Blair Wilkinson, Gilbo, you know, Freeland, um, the PMO, uh, Lamenti,

00:06:50.140 uh, David Lamenti. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so as all these people started to disappear,

00:06:54.940 um, whereas he's saying, okay, timeout, you know, let's run the by-elections. Let's go

00:07:02.620 to me and then setting up a structure, uh, to actually get into the by-elections to try to go

00:07:08.860 win those seats. So would be the natural reaction that I'd be having as the opposition leader.

00:07:15.100 And Paul, Pierre Pauly have mentioned it right off the top when he's returned to the house of

00:07:19.900 comments, thanking Mark Carney for the expediency of having the by-elections so he could get back.

00:07:25.820 So he should reciprocate and return the favor and say, I am open to immediate by-elections. Yeah.

00:07:31.980 So the people in these respective writings have a chance. He cannot stand in the way. He can't,

00:07:37.820 uh, pull off any kind of crazy political stunts. He has to do the right thing for the good of the

00:07:41.980 country to make sure they have quick, speedy by-elections in each of these writings.

00:07:46.540 Yeah. You think given you're a minority party. And you can't have it both ways. You can't get 0.71

00:07:52.140 a quick by-election for yourself and then stand in the way because it's the liberals. That's,

00:07:56.860 that can't fly. I mean, he's on shaky ground to begin with right now at the beginning of this

00:08:01.340 new cabinet and this new session, Paul, and whether or not he survives the leadership

00:08:05.580 review in the new year remains to be seen. But this is going to be a real, a litmus test

00:08:11.660 for Pierre Pauly have way more than Mark Carney for these by-elections.

00:08:15.500 How do the conservatives fare? The, the cons, a lot of the perception in the country is

00:08:21.260 I kind of like the conservatives. I'm not sure I like Pierre Pauly have. So that's going to hurt

00:08:26.380 them. And if they lose all these by-elections and the liberals and a mixture of other parties

00:08:31.260 end up retaining seats, then what does that say about Pauly have in his long-term future

00:08:35.580 in the conservatives as the party leader? Yeah, no, I agree. You know, I was a little disappointed in,

00:08:40.700 you know, Nick, we have a clip sort of, of the beginning of the, you know, when they,

00:08:45.660 when they went back to the house and, you know, maybe play it for a minute, you know, take a look,

00:08:49.900 but you, you know, just the dialogue between the two leaders. My mother taught me never to be late.

00:08:56.700 So please forgive me for my late arrival to the session. I had some meetings with extremely important

00:09:03.260 people in East Central Alberta, Mr. Speaker, um, after which, uh, I was honored to be elected by the

00:09:08.780 great people of Battle River Crowfoot. I thank, I thank the great Damon Kirk who made it possible.

00:09:16.860 And I thank the prime minister for calling a prompt by-election. I wonder if one day he might regret

00:09:22.860 that decision, but in a spirit of good faith, I wonder if he agrees that our goal should be a Canada

00:09:28.940 where hard work is rewarded, where food and homes are affordable, where streets are safe,

00:09:33.260 where borders are solid, where we're all united, we're a proud flag.

00:09:38.460 The great honorable prime minister.

00:09:43.020 Mr. Speaker, uh, I'm sure I speak for all parliamentarians and

00:09:46.860 welcoming the member for Battle River Crowfoot back to the House of Commons.

00:09:51.820 Uh, he may notice, uh, a few things have changed, uh, since he was here last.

00:10:04.780 The largest women's caucus in Canadian history.

00:10:07.980 And a spirit of collaboration that was shown in the opening session, including in the passage of

00:10:25.180 the Build Canada Act and the Projet de Loi du Bloc Québécois en ce qui concerne...

00:10:31.180 And the Bloc's bill, uh, in terms of protecting supply... 0.83

00:10:34.700 No. So, you know, then this went on and on and on, and honestly, it really replicated a little bit

00:10:41.420 of WWE for the first, you know, session and, uh, and not even a good match.

00:10:46.860 No, not even a good match, right? You know, no one got hit with a chair.

00:10:49.660 No, it wasn't WrestleMania. It was like a sidebar.

00:10:52.140 It was a sidebar. But, you know, we, uh, again, the critical issues at hand, we, you think we would be

00:10:59.820 more, uh, serious in our discussions and not spend the first day making glib comments, you know,

00:11:09.820 asking them if they understood, you know, the quiz, or I'm going to give you a quiz.

00:11:15.900 You're going to answer a question. You know, you know, we, we've been through this and then

00:11:20.300 going back and forth about campaign slogans, we're not in campaign mode.

00:11:25.660 So I, I think that's going to be a challenge, right? I've said that in a couple other podcasts.

00:11:30.780 I think the challenge right now is if you want to be a leader one day, or you want to be the

00:11:35.740 prime minister one day, you have to act prime ministerial, right? So you have to start presenting

00:11:40.620 yourself with, uh, and people with options. You can say what you want about Mark Carney.

00:11:46.460 He comes across as prime ministerial in the house of commons. And when he speaks and right now in this

00:11:52.540 country, the economy, um, building homes, the home, the unhoused, uh, trying to kickstart the housing

00:11:59.340 industry, healthcare. I mean, the laundry list of issues and food insecurity and on and on it goes,

00:12:06.300 but instead of going for the cheap soundbite, present solutions, present ideas that benefit all

00:12:12.540 Canadians, not just votes for your back pocket. Exactly. And you know, we're doing, uh, you know,

00:12:17.740 on, I'm not going to, you know, toot our own horn, but, uh, we're actually looking at the pillars,

00:12:23.580 right? The nine pillars and, and whether it be housing, whether it be immigration, whether it be

00:12:27.820 defense, um, we're looking into the stats behind those. So like he, he's got ample information to

00:12:35.100 pull those stats and to go to those sessions and put them on the table and say, how are we going to fix

00:12:41.740 it? Here's what I recommended when I ran for your position, right? If you don't want to do that,

00:12:49.020 how do we do it and how do we measure it and how do we figure out the success? And now quite frankly,

00:12:55.820 you know, and I'm going to go back to the prime minister from it. We might be feeling a little bit

00:13:00.540 of, uh, on his team, uh, people who are now ready to jump ship because they're from the Trudeau

00:13:08.460 philosophy of government. And this is different. This is different. And quite frankly, he's got

00:13:13.260 his own challenge internally, keeping a group of people that got him to the, got him to the party,

00:13:18.940 um, got him elected. And now they're saying, Hey, I don't want to be part of this. And now he's got a

00:13:23.500 backfill with a group of people who want to be part of it. Um, so, uh, again, attacking him right now,

00:13:31.580 not a good idea for the country because quite frankly, you're not going to get an election.

00:13:36.300 There's no way you're going to get the minority governments usually go from 18 to 24 months.

00:13:41.980 And they're a strong minority government and they're a strong minority government.

00:13:45.260 Let's be serious right now. The block, right. It's kind of funny. I was, I was reading it the

00:13:50.540 other day and I've seen it in a couple of different sources. The, the, the block and the provincial

00:13:55.340 block, uh, the federal and provincial parties share the same people. So for costing reasons,

00:14:01.740 for costing reasons, right? So the parties use the same, you know, kind of admin use the same

00:14:07.580 people. So quite frankly, given there's going to be a provincial election and it's happening

00:14:12.220 relatively soon, there is no way, even for this crazy budget that we're going to see, uh, November

00:14:17.740 4th, there's no way they're going to actually look to look for a non-confidence or to vote it down

00:14:22.700 or do anything crazy. So they're just going to let it go through. So, you know, quite frankly,

00:14:27.260 it's going to happen not in 2026, would it be a federal election? No, no. So, so quite frankly,

00:14:33.020 if I'm, you know, again, criticizing, having these discussions all, you know, you can say it once or

00:14:39.260 twice, listen, we need a budget. We all get it. Hey, we, we get it. We get it. You need to get

00:14:45.580 some by-elections done because you just lost a group of people. And quite frankly, the democratic

00:14:51.420 process of our government is that you hold a by-election and we fill the seat as soon as possible,

00:14:56.700 as soon as possible. So, so whether, and, and, you know, he's going to say, I want my party to win

00:15:01.020 because quite frankly, I want to gain seats. You know, you did it. Maybe, maybe it was, you know,

00:15:06.620 you did do this before the election and these people were promised this after the election,

00:15:11.900 they've stepped down awful quick. So it does look kind of, it wouldn't be the first time,

00:15:15.420 it wouldn't be the first time or the last. So quite frankly, that's happening. So let's get to it.

00:15:19.900 Right. Like, and, you know, get out of campaign mode, get into, hold your by-elections, move

00:15:25.820 through those, have the outcome and then get some solutions on the table. And I think that's.

00:15:31.420 We're at the point now, Paul, as a country, we have to do what's best for the nation

00:15:35.660 to get through this, to get through Trump, to get through, um, the certain economic

00:15:40.460 malaise that we're into and come out stronger. And sometimes politicians have to do what's best for

00:15:47.420 the good of the country, not best for what's going to be the soundbite in social media or the network

00:15:52.700 news at night. Yeah. But we didn't start off that way. And that was the disappointing thing. You know,

00:15:57.100 I think, you know, here's the thing we went through, we went through the summer and there was a lot of,

00:16:02.380 well, we were told that there was a lot of self-reflection on what had happened during the

00:16:07.500 election. Correct. A lot of people were consulted on, you know, why it didn't happen the way the

00:16:13.340 conservatives wanted to and what went right for the liberals. And, you know, we, we heard a lot

00:16:18.140 about that. So then, you know, we start the, everyone sits and we, off we go. We start right

00:16:24.540 where we started off at the end of when, you know, uh, session was closed because quite frankly,

00:16:30.460 we needed a new government. We needed an election. We ended up right where we started. And that's

00:16:35.740 disappointing given where we're at. So let's hope, you know, over the next few weeks, you know,

00:16:40.780 we get the early session jitters, uh, out of, you know, everyone's, uh, you know, uh, holster

00:16:49.180 and we get moving forward on putting together some solutions that work. And, you know, he's talked

00:16:55.020 about the sovereignty bill and he's talked about a bunch of stuff, you know, uh, Polyev let's get to

00:17:01.980 it. Right. You know, it'd be nice right off the hop. You didn't need to say much more. You said,

00:17:05.740 listen, I'm going to be coming. I'm not going to say much today. Uh, I'm going to be coming with a

00:17:09.980 bill with a bunch of solutions to the following 10 things, because all I can achieve right now

00:17:14.940 as a minority government in the next 18 to 24 months is to assist the country to move forward.

00:17:20.060 And don't you think the average Canadian would have a great deal more respect for Polyev if

00:17:24.140 he had done that? Yes. Well, and it's like ability factor would be because it can't, it can't get much

00:17:29.580 lower. Well, let's see. How do we alter? What do we lose? We lost seniors and we lost women. I think, 0.84

00:17:36.860 you know, that we were told that the vote, you know, the votes in those categories went heavy

00:17:41.260 to the, went heavy to the liberals. Right. So we were told that. So how is starting off with the

00:17:45.900 same approach, um, changing any of that dynamic? Do you really think now it does cater to your base?

00:17:52.860 I get it. You know, it does cater to the people that went to the rallies and all that good stuff.

00:17:56.460 It's not going to help them win an election. No, it's not going to help. And so, so quite frankly,

00:18:01.420 keep doing this, you know, through the budget and, you know, I, I started, it's interesting,

00:18:06.860 Jim, you know, cause I, I look at the economic side. I, I like that. I like the numbers,

00:18:11.500 given my background and, you know, the last few days I was looking at everything and I'm listening.

00:18:16.940 I thought, Oh, I'm going to do a, I'm going to do a podcast on the economics of the budget on November

00:18:23.580 4th. Well, I already did one which dealt with, you know, 2024 annual report of the federal government.

00:18:31.100 Um, and it just, you know, broke down, uh, basically the basics of where revenue comes from.

00:18:37.580 And we, we took a look at how, uh, things had changed since 2019 to 2024. So basically where our

00:18:45.580 spending increased, where our revenue flattened, all those good things and where it increased.

00:18:50.140 So we took a look at those when we outlined them to get ready for this budget. And I thought,

00:18:55.180 you know, am I, you know, am I super happy that it's November 4th? No, but you know what?

00:19:01.820 They called the date. So now I think it's up to us to let them put a budget together, present it,

00:19:07.740 go through it. And then, you know, really try to critique where it's good or bad.

00:19:14.140 Do I think there's going to be any outcome to that? I don't think there really will. I think quite

00:19:19.180 frankly, it, you know, whatever the budget gets presented will be approved. I don't think there's

00:19:23.900 any appetite to do anything going forward. And it's a belt tightening budget. They've, they've

00:19:29.180 made no bones about that, Paul, the way that the state of the country that it's going to be,

00:19:33.660 they keep using this term austerity while we, they're not saying that for no reason. They're

00:19:39.100 saying that to prepare us for what's coming. And I think that's one of the reasons they extended the

00:19:43.100 budget to November the 4th to mentally and emotionally prepare Canadians for what's about to drop when they

00:19:48.860 announced that budget that afternoon on November the 4th. Right. Which I think we needed it, right?

00:19:53.580 You know, if you look at the 2019 to 2024 numbers, you know, it becomes very apparent. We didn't

00:20:00.140 adjust after COVID, we kept climbing. And so quite frankly, we did need to kind of do some belt

00:20:05.500 tightening in a lot of different areas. But, you know, let's see in November 4th, again,

00:20:13.260 let's hope, and I'm, this is my goal after all this silliness happens and everyone steps down,

00:20:19.100 we figure out, you know, um, what the process is to get these people sort of out of the way.

00:20:24.700 Now they've taken their appointments, um, and to get new people in their seats. Let's hope we

00:20:30.140 actually have a logical approach to how we deal with all these issues. So again, recommendations,

00:20:36.300 suggestions, ideas, ideas, thoughtful ideas, ideas, you know, we came and, and, you know,

00:20:42.060 criticism, I think we had in the last podcast, the first set of major projects that were put on the

00:20:46.220 table were underwhelming, right? We, we all, I think everyone's kind of agreed. And some of them

00:20:50.620 are already in the process anyways. Yeah. Most of them were kind of in the process. I don't think

00:20:54.300 there was a couple that weren't, but you know, they were kind of long-term ones that we had seen

00:20:58.860 before like rail, but, uh, now we have the opportunity to sit back and say, okay, you know,

00:21:05.580 what are the things we can do? What are the things we both support and what are the things we can move

00:21:10.060 forward? And, you know, I thought it was very interesting and I won't spend a lot of time on it,

00:21:14.300 but you know, the U S went into their 45 day review of, uh, the customer agreement, right? So now they've

00:21:24.860 kind of put us on notice. They're going to look at it. So they're actually getting in November,

00:21:29.980 I believe. Correct. Yeah. They're getting a consultation on it. So now, you know,

00:21:33.420 that puts even more focus on the fact that we need some solutions because, you know,

00:21:38.140 I think we all know that's being done for a reason. They're actually moving that forward as fast as they

00:21:43.420 can. Um, you know, probably one of the reasons Freeland is moving on right now is quite frankly,

00:21:49.100 she probably wasn't super supportive of the approach because she did it last time. Right. So

00:21:54.060 I think she's kind of made the decision to move on for a number of reasons and that's probably one

00:21:59.420 of them. And, but that is a big, you know, if you had to look at the deer in the headlights,

00:22:03.820 that's the one that you have to look at now. And I think it would have been best when they actually

00:22:08.940 sat to actually, rather than to make jokes and glib comments, do campaign slogans and sort of all

00:22:16.220 that good stuff would have been nice to actually say, Hey, you know, if you think tariffs are bad now,

00:22:21.660 you know, wait till 2026, when we have to redo this agreement again, and now things are going to

00:22:27.980 really get challenging. So we really need to focus. And here's a format of how we want to do it. Or

00:22:34.220 here's, you know, something tangible that Canadians can really sink their teeth in. Exactly. No more,

00:22:39.820 you know, I don't think we, no more jokes, funny comments, glib conversation, criticism of where

00:22:48.540 we're at. Let's get going forward. Right. Let's, we have to as a nation. Yeah. So I agree. And then,

00:22:54.380 and I hope, and I, you know, I wish these people well, you know, they, they've served, you know,

00:22:59.180 some of them, as you mentioned, waited to get their pension now. So, so they served long enough

00:23:04.700 to get a pension, you know, and, and, uh, you know, good on them. So they did their civic duty.

00:23:10.620 And I think as Canadians, we all appreciate what they did, but, you know, they're moving on to some

00:23:16.300 pretty good, uh, you know, let's call it retirement portfolios. They're not cashiers at giant tiger.

00:23:23.020 No, they're not, they're doing pretty good. They're, they're doing pretty well. Yeah. Um,

00:23:26.540 and so they positioned themselves really great and I hope they are very successful in what they do

00:23:31.420 for the country. Um, but let's get some good people in their seats and get moving on here,

00:23:36.380 here, he's Paul. I'm Jim.

True Patriot Love - September 23, 2025

Mass Liberal Exodus？ Carney's Cabinet Shakeup & Bi-Election Fallout!

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