True Patriot Love - July 26, 2026


MK Ultraļ¼š The One That Started It All


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00:00:00.060 Yeah, that was a little strange, right?
00:00:02.580 We're not talking about using criminals.
00:00:04.380 We're not talking about using willing patients that sign up for something like this.
00:00:07.900 We're talking about people that had no idea that this was going on and
00:00:10.780 they were drugged, they were doped, they were duped, and they were researched.
00:00:20.180 Well, allegedly this program ended around the time that I was born.
00:00:23.960 However, the echoes of it have filled the hallways of our minds ever since.
00:00:28.980 mk ultra who started it why did they start it and uh allegedly it's done but is that really the
00:00:36.680 truth uh to talk to me more about this today our very own resident tin hat wearing brady wedham
00:00:42.800 thanks buddy i'm the resident crackpot of uh tpl media apparently oh you know what i'm sorry i uh
00:00:48.580 i didn't realize they updated your uh your bio yeah next time i promise so mk ultra was a real
00:00:53.500 thing might yeah uh so when did this start um the 60s yeah you want to do you want to run down just
00:01:00.580 in case anybody watching has never heard of mk ultra because surprisingly i thought everybody
00:01:04.380 knew about this until we took it into the newsroom and we kind of threw it around the room and a few
00:01:09.560 people didn't really know what mk ultra was or is well uh in prep for the show because sometimes
00:01:14.520 you'll get me into these shows and i'm like wait a minute there's a planet named zoltron uh and i
00:01:20.120 do my homework and find yeah there is one so in doing my homework here's what i found out i didn't
00:01:25.500 want you to take me by surprise yeah it's it did operate through the 60s it started in 1953 and it
00:01:30.520 ended in the early 70s and the reason for that is because it became part of an investigation into
00:01:37.240 intelligence abuses when watergate uh came on online all of the files apparently from k ultra
00:01:46.040 were destroyed, save for about 20,000 that were in the accounting department.
00:01:51.300 But it gave us sort of a glimpse at that time into what they were doing.
00:01:56.220 And, of course, well, you know, what were they doing?
00:02:00.060 Well, they were doing a lot, Mike.
00:02:01.700 Yeah, check this out.
00:02:02.840 Here's just a list of...
00:02:04.680 This is what we know from the files that we found.
00:02:07.440 We do not know what they were doing that never was declassified or destroyed.
00:02:12.000 Yeah, because the accountants don't get all the information, do they?
00:02:15.060 They just get the expenses for the mixture for LSD.
00:02:19.200 Okay, so here's what they did.
00:02:22.140 Around the time that they started this,
00:02:24.460 there was thought that Russians and, you know,
00:02:27.340 adversary countries, Korea, North Korea,
00:02:30.800 they had the ability to mind control people, 0.75
00:02:34.500 to hypnotize them, to get information out of them,
00:02:37.680 to extract details about very sensitive info.
00:02:42.560 If you look at some of the files that were found from the closing of the Nazi party, right, and the Reich, they were doing a bit of this research themselves.
00:02:52.440 They were doing a lot of crazy research.
00:02:53.980 We've talked about that before, everything from the Nazi bell to experimenting on human beings and people who had passed away in bodies and things like that.
00:03:01.100 But they did have a big portion of their research that was in the same category.
00:03:06.600 Okay, so here's what they did.
00:03:08.580 And we'll get into who started it and why they created it.
00:03:11.080 I'll let you take that over.
00:03:12.080 But essentially, the CIA was the basis for this operation.
00:03:19.560 As far as we know, yes.
00:03:20.080 The Soviet Union, China, and North Korea had discovered techniques for brainwashing, they thought.
00:03:25.880 Now, they started their own program with hypnosis, sensory deprivation, sleep deprivation, electroshock, drug cocktails, and psychological conditioning.
00:03:36.100 and, you know, to various degrees of results, I would assume.
00:03:43.740 Perhaps the strangest, I think, one that came out documented
00:03:48.460 the CIA rented apartments in San Francisco and New York.
00:03:51.320 Sex workers were paid to lure men back.
00:03:54.020 The men were secretly given LSD,
00:03:55.860 and CIA officers watched through one-way mirrors,
00:03:59.720 and the goal was to observe how unsuspecting people reacted to acid.
00:04:06.100 to lsd and and that's by the way this is legit that actually is on record this is documented
00:04:11.200 this is on record this was something that they know um they've not only spoken to some of the
00:04:15.340 former uh gals that were involved yeah but there's there's been reports of some of these johns going
00:04:21.640 even up to the building and jumping off afterwards right so there's been many a report um this is
00:04:26.920 well documented that's something that we all know is true and they were involved with it so
00:04:31.780 if you know anything about MKUltra, this isn't
00:04:34.580 new news to you. No, I mean, in fact
00:04:36.620 I think it came out at one point
00:04:38.160 there was a whole committee
00:04:39.680 based on trying to shut it down
00:04:42.500 that, you know, followed
00:04:44.560 the Nixon, the
00:04:46.600 Watergate scandal. Thank goodness for Watergate
00:04:48.460 depending on where you were standing on it because it 0.55
00:04:50.520 did actually shine a light on this. It did
00:04:52.700 actually. It was wild. They said that they
00:04:54.140 uncovered illegal surveillance,
00:04:56.680 assassination plots,
00:04:58.620 domestic spying, and
00:05:00.240 mk ultra all in that same uh investigation and uh you know they found out that millions and
00:05:07.620 millions were spent by the cia trying lsd produced uh only to find out that they nothing worked
00:05:15.600 nothing that this did allegedly had any real effect on uh cia work lsd produced unpredictable
00:05:24.040 effect hypnosis had limits people were difficult to reliably control uh even when you had control
00:05:30.760 of the mind and there was no evidence to show that the cia created dependable manchurian candidate
00:05:36.180 style uh agents as it were but the goal was to have those things hopefully work and uh they
00:05:44.460 let's get into the before we even get into um what they did and what they didn't do why
00:05:50.740 Why would the CIA want to be able to create a Manchurian candidate?
00:05:54.580 Why would that be something that we would look into? 0.97
00:05:56.680 Is it purely just because we want to stay on par with the Soviets or whoever, Koreans,
00:06:02.700 that we're doing the same sort of research? 0.65
00:06:04.260 Or is this something that we felt like, or I shouldn't say we,
00:06:07.280 but the United States and the CIA felt like this would be an asset in terms of war?
00:06:12.020 Yeah, I'm not sure that I believe that they were responding to another nation's threat of this nature, or they just thought that it was, maybe they caught glimpses of it or heard rumors of it.
00:06:27.060 But even that's enough to kind of, in some cases, I would imagine spark, okay, we've got to create our very own program to counter this and be better at this.
00:06:39.200 But where do you draw the line on using civilians?
00:06:42.020 Yeah, that was a little strange.
00:06:43.880 Right.
00:06:44.560 Like, we're not talking about using criminals.
00:06:46.660 We're not talking about using willing patients
00:06:48.500 that sign up for something like this.
00:06:49.980 We're talking about people that had no idea
00:06:51.600 that this was going on, and they were drugged.
00:06:54.800 They were doped.
00:06:55.660 They were duped, and they were researched.
00:06:57.860 Well, you know what's really weird is
00:06:59.200 there are so many movies that are based on this
00:07:01.780 since the 1970s that are based on this mind control.
00:07:08.280 MKUltra is always the name of it,
00:07:10.060 this mind control program is so ingrained in our minds
00:07:16.640 that it's almost hard to believe that it doesn't exist,
00:07:20.480 that it didn't exist,
00:07:21.500 that there aren't unfettered Manchurian candidates out there,
00:07:26.660 that maybe they haven't been used in the past.
00:07:30.060 It seems a little unlikely almost.
00:07:33.580 Highly unlikely.
00:07:34.860 My logical brain would say that that's probably unlikely.
00:07:37.280 Okay, so put on the tinfoil hat.
00:07:38.700 Now, I've given you the official scope of what the CIA says.
00:07:43.280 And that's what we officially know, and that's what, if you look up online
00:07:46.700 to all of the lovely search engines and things like that,
00:07:51.060 and the Wikipedias and the Chats and the Gemini's,
00:07:53.660 they'll all probably tell you that exact same thing.
00:07:55.700 I think I grokked this.
00:07:57.080 No, what's the other one that I use?
00:07:58.940 Perplexity?
00:07:59.660 No, no, I don't back perplexity.
00:08:04.140 Okay.
00:08:04.320 Yet. High perplexity. Advertising inquiries, too.
00:08:08.760 So, yeah.
00:08:10.200 Okay. Now, MKUltra, we're not just doing the show because I convinced all you guys to do it.
00:08:15.540 This has been in the news recently.
00:08:17.440 Over the past month, we've been seeing the U.S. Senate talk to a gentleman named Tom O'Neill.
00:08:23.480 What do you know about Tom O'Neill? Have you ever heard that name before?
00:08:25.420 No.
00:08:25.800 He's an author and a journalist.
00:08:26.900 Sounds like a pseudonym, a CIA pseudonym, to be honest with you.
00:08:30.000 No, Tom seems like he's a lovely human being and very well-researched.
00:08:35.320 So Tom O'Neill is an investigative journalist best known for spending more than 20 years researching the Charles Manson case.
00:08:41.180 His work culminated in his 2009 book, which if anybody has not read it, please get Tom's book.
00:08:46.860 It's amazing.
00:08:48.040 Chaos, Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the 60s.
00:08:51.560 O'Neill did not conclude that MKUltra created Charles Manson, right?
00:08:56.040 So let's just put that out there, and I'll keep saying that again.
00:08:59.140 Instead, he argues that there's enough unanswered questions
00:09:01.300 and suspicious overlaps to justify reexamining the official story.
00:09:06.300 So a lot of people have heard that there's been ties to,
00:09:10.180 we'll throw out a few names, Ted Kaczynski, Charles Manson.
00:09:14.660 We'll leave it there.
00:09:15.700 Those two names have been brought up with MKUltra quite a bit.
00:09:17.840 Anytime you see MKUltra, you see those two names.
00:09:19.880 I know two other names that I've heard you say before.
00:09:23.220 I don't want to get into it.
00:09:23.860 But we'll use those two names because they seem to be the highest profile cases.
00:09:27.260 so we don't know if Ted Kaczynski ever took part of this program it seems to be
00:09:32.600 that he did they were doing research at Harvard they were doing research at a
00:09:37.020 bunch of different institutions but Harvard seemed to be one of the places
00:09:39.260 that they got ended up getting by the way Ted Kaczynski again the unabomber the
00:09:43.260 man who went from being a assistant to professor at Harvard with a great physics
00:09:49.580 degree and a great mind behind him an engineering brain and he understood
00:09:52.580 technology like pretty much no other person at that time he was one of the