True Patriot Love - Protest Parks & Productivity： A New Idea for Canada？

00:00:00.000 Okay, well you'll find them in Victoria Park in Hong Kong. You'll find them in Singapore. You'll

00:00:05.440 find one in the UK and in the Netherlands. What we're talking about today might get the bristles

00:00:11.840 up on the back of your neck or you might be cheering, but there's rarely a mid-ground on

00:00:16.580 this one. We're talking about protest parks today on TPL Media. All right, let's get into this.

00:00:26.340 joining me to talk about protest parks paul micucci thanks so much for taking the time on

00:00:30.820 this one paul yeah protest parks mike and i'm gonna add one another one yeah marathon miles

00:00:36.660 okay or kilometers as we say in canada but i really wanted to add that because i do want to

00:00:41.320 talk about that too because it really does fall in the same category in my mind now might not be

00:00:47.120 to others okay but i want to talk about it yeah before we start the show and to kick off the show

00:00:52.380 i really want to remind people something because i'm going to bring it up a number of times

00:00:55.500 The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which is the it's the intergovernmental body that takes a look at all developed countries in the world.

00:01:06.500 Right. So they've issued a warning that Canada is going to fall out of the productivity ranking.

00:01:15.460 So basically it's going to be out of the 38. It's going to be number 39 in productivity in the world over the next three decades.

00:01:25.500 wow so that's what it's saying it's issued the warning i say it on a number of shows

00:01:30.500 so startling fact actually that we got there i mean it is a fact if you think about how

00:01:36.620 how we ended up there even at 38 from where we were even just a few years ago uh and now here

00:01:45.700 we are uh continuing to fall no that productivity i think dovetails nicely with what we're talking

00:01:51.300 about it does you and i had a discussion one day now i have to tell you uh listen buddy i've taken

00:01:56.660 credit for this a few times but as you reminded me this morning and it's true yes we get talking

00:02:01.460 about traffic and the congestion in major cities uh that is associated and frankly the inconvenience

00:02:08.500 in some case violence and uh the continued ongoing protests that go on in toronto congesting our

00:02:15.940 lives and uh i don't know how it came up but at one point you said why don't we just have a place

00:02:22.100 where we could do this where the protests can take like we'll create and we started to talk

00:02:26.880 about creating protest park i like to call it democracy park okay democracy park okay we'll

00:02:32.780 call it democracy park we can call it whatever you want but you know we went through months uh

00:02:37.760 throughout the winter where people were uh down at city hall they were on all the roads in the

00:02:43.820 downtown core of toronto they were out west they were protesting everything that was going on in

00:02:49.460 the world from other countries that have nothing to do with well very little to do with canada

00:02:54.800 quite frankly other than the people who are from that country live here and we we at some point 0.95

00:02:59.940 and we still do think it's fine to block off major roads arteries highways for an issue that is 0.58

00:03:08.220 It's non-related to Canadian challenge, let's talk.

00:03:14.200 And so it's a consistent, you're right.

00:03:16.700 I mean, and let me frame that.

00:03:19.080 We live in a country where everybody from around the world is welcome.

00:03:23.120 We have a very diverse nation of people.

00:03:26.260 We look out for one another.

00:03:27.920 The reason that we are this way is that we have this view of the world.

00:03:31.380 Canada is rarely involved in anything that is, you know, strike intensive or offensive to another nation.

00:03:40.520 This is really not the place we necessarily need to be shouting at the top of our lungs on behalf of somebody else's problem.

00:03:50.200 Right. No, no. And a lot of people would say, quite frankly, it's my right.

00:03:55.960 Absolutely.

00:03:56.600 Which, you know, and then I went to, I said the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

00:04:01.380 So I went to it, and there's several cases on this.

00:04:04.080 So this has actually been something that we've looked at in Canada

00:04:07.080 for, you know, 50, 100 years.

00:04:10.200 We've been through different cases on this.

00:04:12.660 And, you know, it's interesting.

00:04:14.260 The Supreme Court basically ruled that you could park your car

00:04:19.960 in the middle of the road as a protest.

00:04:24.680 How's that helpful?

00:04:26.460 Right?

00:04:26.640 but then they overturned that in the the years later and for remember when they actually it was

00:04:35.360 in toronto there was a group living in the park and it was downtown and it was in james square

00:04:41.460 and they called it the eviction of occupancy toronto i don't know if you remember this

00:04:45.700 remember that yeah they went in and evicted them saying yeah you can protest but you can't take

00:04:53.220 possession of private property in order to protest so that's the fine line here that we're talking

00:04:58.800 about so yes you can protest and it's everyone's right to impede public space in which to do it

00:05:05.600 well that's a yeah that's a fine line so in this case they went and set up shelters homes you know

00:05:10.660 they they were homeless they went and actually set up places to live and they said that this is

00:05:14.900 a protest it's not a it's not any i recall that was the that's right that was and i think the

00:05:20.120 ruling said okay then you have to leave at the end of every day right protest cannot you know

00:05:25.520 extend itself that lengthy period of time right so back up to parking your car on the road so now

00:05:31.620 you go out and you actually park your car in the road or you start to walk down the road you stop

00:05:36.520 traffic everything else have you taken possession of that road it's a good question so that's the

00:05:43.340 this is the fine line that's sitting out there to be unruled upon right now yeah that is a blurry

00:05:48.240 area it is a very blurry area and we haven't challenged it quite frankly and i think we need

00:05:53.320 to do now going forward um the there have been several times through g20s g7s when uh politicians

00:06:03.080 and national world leaders have come to canada and we've created protest parks right now to to

00:06:11.340 make sure that security was in place for those nationals visiting right so the the crazy

00:06:18.100 part about this is when we did actually set them up and we did actually search people's bags and

00:06:23.460 things to make sure they could get into protest park the courts came back and said it was an

00:06:28.540 unlawful search okay so there's still issues that we have to we from our charter of rights and

00:06:35.280 freedom still have many outstanding issues that we need to address here so you know starting the

00:06:40.400 show i wanted to make sure that i addressed that because i didn't want people yelling at their

00:06:44.960 you know uh device saying you know this guy doesn't know what he's talking i get it like i

00:06:49.200 get that um this still has to be resolved and we're not talking about taking away people's

00:06:54.800 freedoms so i want to make sure we're we're totally crystal clear on that mike we're talking about

00:07:01.440 setting up areas for people to go safely to uh clearly outline their opinion to protest

00:07:10.720 whatever they want to say uh similar to i think you brought up at the aunt said hyde park yeah

00:07:17.140 have your you know what you can you you you can come to that park you can uh say what you want

00:07:25.340 to say you can bring as many people as you want to bring has been an influencer in uk politics

00:07:33.260 since they started it right now no it also has clout right it has clout it has restrooms it has

00:07:43.440 policing it has security it has surveillance it's it's a safe zone to basically protest and to state

00:07:51.080 your opinion i mean if you're a protester you want to be in a safe environment anyway i would assume

00:07:55.040 we all do sure of course you're not a protester you don't want to be impeded by the protest i

00:07:59.700 think this is i mean this stems from some very basic human uh consideration right yes okay i'm

00:08:08.420 i'm happy to hear about your concerns yes or i'm i prefer not to hear about your concerns i have my

00:08:15.300 own right but a protest just launches it onto you yes while you're trying to get to work or trying

00:08:22.800 to pick the kids up or you know trying to get a doctor's appointment in the day uh in a city

00:08:27.460 that's already very congested protests tend to exacerbate that horribly right well listen if we

00:08:36.260 were if we were a top top performing productive nation i may be thinking about this a little

00:08:42.000 different i guess and we had protests every day going down the middle of the city but still we

00:08:47.360 were logistically moving goods shipping producing and we were at the top of our game i'd say have on

00:08:55.100 it right you can protest the way where my opinion on this and a business owner i'm i'm starting to

00:09:02.300 sympathize on a number of levels with the people in the downtown core with with us actually who

00:09:08.720 are on the outskirts of toronto who are now spending two and three hours trying to get

00:09:13.740 somewhere because someone's decided to hold a game hold a marathon hold a protest and now we

00:09:20.920 is totally impeded from getting anywhere in the city and that business owner who's mortgaged their

00:09:26.220 life secured every asset they have to get in business is now out of business for a weekend

00:09:32.000 a week or a month and to me that's it's intolerable and quite frankly it's unacceptable at this point

00:09:39.300 right now we have the world cup here in toronto uh vancouver has it i just came from there just

00:09:44.900 the construction and setup in Vancouver for the World Cup has created such a congestion

00:09:50.520 in Vancouver and such a detour scenario. In Toronto, there's a whole core area closed

00:09:58.120 that is mainly a thoroughfare for a lot of traffic in Toronto, and it's plunked right

00:10:04.600 there in the middle. This morning, a drive that would normally take me about 40, 43 minutes,

00:10:10.020 yeah an hour and 43 minutes that's insane so now i walk in the door i sent you a text from the road

00:10:17.800 saying i will arrive enraged and sure enough you know you there is uh you know all joking aside

00:10:24.100 there is that feeling when you get out of the car and you're like now i'm i gotta be at my

00:10:29.400 meeting in two minutes i'm not ready yeah so it impedes that in the workplace people are showing

00:10:35.120 up late and and the people that are going to these jobs are second guessing going 45 kilometers to a

00:10:42.880 job because it's going to take them two hours each way yeah add in protest to that seems a little

00:10:48.620 inconsiderate yeah yeah it reminds me you know i mentioned on another show late 80s early 90s

00:10:53.880 in order to get downtown i had an office in the downtown core of toronto we used to have to start

00:10:59.340 out at five in the morning so the only way to get downtown because i needed my vehicle was to start

00:11:05.100 out at five in the morning to get there by six so you get in by six and then you would work till

00:11:11.180 seven so you would miss the traffic going home to keep your efficiency up so to keep your

00:11:15.500 productivity you had to extend your work hours 12 hours yeah 12 or 13 hours a day yeah yeah which

00:11:21.820 by the time you got home quite being an hour an hour on each side you're 14 to 15 hours

00:11:27.020 it's a tight day we wondered why there was such cocaine problems in the 80s

00:11:30.540 I think we understand 12-hour days.

00:11:33.420 But now, here's some of the things.

00:11:36.320 And if you don't mind, Paul, I'll give you a couple of the places.

00:11:38.700 Because we're not, this was a good idea.

00:11:41.360 But right away, the first thing our research team does is go,

00:11:43.940 and this happens a lot.

00:11:45.780 You guys, what are you talking about?

00:11:47.880 Oh, my God, I found one here.

00:11:49.480 I found one here.

00:11:50.280 And sure enough, it's true.

00:11:51.800 You mentioned one.

00:11:52.700 Hyde Park, 1872, they began doing this.

00:11:55.960 Yeah.

00:11:56.420 And it seems to be the place to do it.

00:11:58.880 When they leave and have protests, the police in London say that when it's outside of Hyde Park, the possibility for somebody being injured, the safety factor drops immensely.

00:12:11.900 The possibility of somebody being trampled, the congestion of traffic, it all is way too much for the city to handle when it happens in Hyde Park.

00:12:22.280 Usually the media shows up.

00:12:24.400 Usually there's a microphone in which somebody can hear what's going on.

00:12:27.720 There's some order.

00:12:28.420 There's washrooms, as you point out.

00:12:30.480 There's the ability for people to put a whole day in there comfortably making their point.

00:12:36.620 Another one, Hong Lim Park in Singapore.

00:12:40.380 They created this designated protest and demonstration area known as Speaker's Corner in Hong Kong

00:12:45.580 so that citizens can hold peaceful demonstrations.

00:12:49.520 And it was based on having a predictable location.

00:12:52.740 In other words, we're all going to meet here.

00:12:54.700 We know that that's where we're going to do this.

00:12:56.360 we can plan this properly far in advance if need be or we can react quickly and know what the

00:13:02.340 facility is uh easier policing people wanted that you don't want to have a protest and the

00:13:08.160 anti-protesters showing up causing a problem uh and of course number one on their list was traffic

00:13:13.300 was such an issue for this sort of thing um that the cost to the city to manage it and cost to

00:13:18.760 businesses was too much and one last one i'll give you in hong kong victoria park now um they've had

00:13:25.720 issues uh at this park yeah however uh they've also had very few issues at this park uh the ones

00:13:33.680 that they had were a little bit um you know the one of the freedom park movements was an issue

00:13:39.440 there but aside from that they say by and large it's also worked out very well for them in the

00:13:44.640 netherlands we see them and in different parts of the world people are really considering this and

00:13:48.560 it really has to do with congestion more than anything more than safety more than you know

00:13:54.280 trying to curb the first thing people say paul what's the first thing i heard this morning at

00:13:59.500 breakfast when i brought this up oh you're curbing people's freedom of speech well that's not the

00:14:06.320 intention yeah so it's interesting um you know the the strong angles on this that you get that

00:14:12.820 it's a really good point the first one when i when i went and found out different opinion on it now

00:14:18.280 call it the captive audience um doctrine is a trojan horse for censorship okay explain so

00:14:26.120 basically you know i'm going to put you in a pen so they call it a pen people who are against it

00:14:31.480 call a pen protest park they call it a pen so you're going to pin me in and you're going to

00:14:35.320 censor me because you're going to know who i am right so you're going to identify me you're going

00:14:41.640 to create a bubble zone you're going to restrict my rights i find this bizarre that's really weird

00:14:48.440 so we we live in a free country where people get to say what they want we have freedom freedom of

00:14:53.320 speech freedom of rights if if you need to protest on a street and conceal your face and conceal

00:15:01.720 your identity and conceal what you say i don't want to hear it so i don't want to hear what you

00:15:07.160 have to say and i don't want you to block my street at that point you know paul you raise

00:15:10.440 a really good point so if that's your if if you're kind of if you're arguing with me saying i don't

00:15:16.920 want to be put in a park because that you know you're going to censor me i i just can't understand

00:15:24.200 that quite frankly because then you don't want to then you don't want to publicly view your uh

00:15:29.160 you don't want your opinion publicly heard yeah no i agree with you that that feels like a shady

00:15:34.120 way to take your message to the world right if you don't want to get to a microphone and say

00:15:37.960 what you want to say then don't protest and also if you need to do it every day it's obviously not

00:15:46.120 effective no so do something more effective plan something make it effective make get your message

00:15:53.720 out once effectively yeah well that and that's great quite frankly here's the great thing too

00:15:59.640 media will be set up there yeah there's so there will be there will be places for media to plug in

00:16:05.240 to film to record there will be places there'll be restrooms there'll be uh concessions there'll be

00:16:12.840 emergency services if anyone has a heart attack or gets sick there'll be all kinds of things set

00:16:18.360 up there you know hopefully quite frankly here's here's the next thing mike i do not want my tax

00:16:25.640 dollars going to your protest or your marathon or your bike-a-thon or your run i i just don't want

00:16:34.680 it now most i think most people i mean there's there's a small group of participation that goes

00:16:39.960 on in most of these things that the mass pays the price for now if you were going to do a marathon

00:16:46.360 and we had a marathon location and a marathon route that wasn't going to and we consistently

00:16:51.560 use that and we built it for that i think you'd get more marathons i think if you had a protest

00:16:55.960 park you'd have more meaningful messages here's the great thing mike right go 40 minutes go to

00:17:01.160 highway six or go outside of any majors go to calgary right go 40 minutes outside cal i don't

00:17:06.600 know if any of you been to calgary lately or go to go to st john's quite frankly go a half hour

00:17:13.240 outside the major city yeah you have fields and fields of free space that you can have beautiful

00:17:22.440 marathons runs bikeathons you know guess who's there paul the entire population exactly they're

00:17:29.720 not in the core yeah get well and the nice part is you get out of the city you have a nice time

00:17:35.800 we bring economic impacts positive economic impacts to smaller cities quite frankly you get

00:17:41.880 to see uh outside of the urban sprawl that you live in so they're all good things about this

00:17:48.120 and you don't congest the city you don't cause that poor small business owner from losing if you

00:17:56.600 run a business for those of you who don't and if you work with the government or you you know you

00:18:01.240 work for someone you got to sympathize with small business owners who only have 52 weeks a year to

00:18:08.760 make it often only 12 hours in a day there's 250 000 some odd new startups of small businesses a

00:18:16.520 year in canada there's 200 000 dissolutions or bankruptcy of small businesses in canada they

00:18:23.400 happen right it goes it's almost equal the number of businesses coming in and out of canada every

00:18:28.280 year it's a large number quite frankly and you know sorry if i got the numbers slightly wrong

00:18:34.520 but you know i'm doing it straight from remember but you know these people are living on an edge

00:18:39.800 these people have are trying to create an economy that creates jobs creates economic stimulus

00:18:48.040 financing it is what keeps our nation alive and the productivity of those businesses needs to be

00:18:56.280 heralded and pushed forward not blocked so if you want to do any of these things so if you want to

00:19:02.760 hold that protest you can go to protest bar quite frankly pay your fee you know pull your permit

00:19:09.400 you can get a 30-day permit fee right a permit you go down you pay your permit you get your group

00:19:15.960 together you all pay your fees you go in you use the park you're recorded you know quite frankly

00:19:23.000 we should have a something where they can actually get their own video we should have a company

00:19:27.400 hired to actually film their own protest video if for them so you know they can do some editing so

00:19:32.840 they don't look so brutal because all the most of the time they're shooting it off their phone

00:19:37.640 is they're running you know a bunch of them have their phones up and they're chasing each other

00:19:41.720 around the streets if you want to legitimize your your cause to have it at protest park sorry

00:19:47.060 democracy park democracy park at democracy park paul micucci democracy park we're going to call

00:19:53.200 it because trump i don't want him getting his name on that he puts it everywhere uh definitely not

00:19:57.960 here if uh if we had that scenario and like i do want to paint the picture on something right

00:20:04.680 people want to protest in the streets because it's a disruption correct right without a disruption

00:20:10.340 you can't get now we've also done something man i started thinking about this last night as i was

00:20:15.940 thinking about this topic disruption needs to be the catalyst for change no it used to be activism

00:20:22.980 activism was the the the catalyst for change now we encourage and we we uh all hail the disruptor

00:20:30.740 have you heard that phrase oh he's a disruptor that's a disruptor we don't need disruption we

00:20:36.500 We need activation.

00:20:38.260 Well, the interesting thing, Mike, so that was my second angle on this one,

00:20:42.640 which came up, was protest pens, as they call them.

00:20:47.040 It actually radicalizes dissent rather than manages it.

00:20:51.320 So think about that.

00:20:52.100 That's just what you said.

00:20:53.320 It's a little bit crazy, right?

00:20:54.600 So if I can't radicalize my protest, it's not worth doing.

00:21:00.100 Well, come on now, right?

00:21:01.560 Are we adults or are we adults?

00:21:03.060 Yeah, I mean, if you have a message and you want to get everybody together,

00:21:06.500 and present yourself like a logical protest with logical ideas and real statements you're not going

00:21:16.180 to do it as effectively through a megaphone on a street while some person's trying to cross a road

00:21:21.820 no you're going to get it with the media in front of you with a microphone and the ability for

00:21:27.300 people to actually surround you safely now think about this for a minute so and this is a very

00:21:31.680 bizarre psychology if you think about it i have to i have to inconvenience a population of people

00:21:40.320 to get my point across yeah so i have to take people i have for the most part i probably can say

00:21:46.960 uh i'm trying to think of all the protests in that i've seen in toronto this year but i'm

00:21:52.640 pretty sure 98 of them quite frankly have nothing to do with me in any way shape or form

00:22:00.720 right yeah the clowns need Cadillacs protests but I get that one I can tell you this last weekend

00:22:07.360 I'm one of my businesses I'm having an event right it's it's in a suburb and quite frankly

00:22:13.600 it was significantly impacted by in this case of what's going on on the soccer downtown yeah

00:22:20.480 quite frankly and we didn't have great turnout no because people don't want to risk well

00:22:26.240 going out here's the crazy thing mike so now the government's decided to use my tax dollars

00:22:33.040 to hold the event to impede my business that's what you voted for so that's what i voted for

00:22:39.820 no i didn't vote for that i didn't vote for that and i didn't vote quite frankly for you to use

00:22:44.260 the money that was voted for in council unlawfully and exceed the budget by 10 times to impede my

00:22:53.160 business i didn't vote for that so you did it you didn't you did that on your own accord you did

00:22:58.920 that out of your own volition so the thing that upsets me about this so much is that as business

00:23:04.200 owners we're a side swipe of this but no be quiet you know we're gonna meanwhile increase your

00:23:10.280 property tax we're gonna increase your all your other taxes quite frankly but you should just 0.78

00:23:16.120 suck it up buttercup run your business even though no one can get to it no one can park by it 0.66

00:23:22.440 and no one wants to leave their home and quite frankly for the poor people that don't have a 0.98

00:23:28.120 business who bought cottages and other events they can't even get out of the city to go visit

00:23:33.000 their cottages on a a terrible weather so far this summer yeah when they've had even good days

00:23:40.360 they can't even make it out to 400 highways or whatever highways and whatever city you're in

00:23:44.840 to make it outside the outskirts of the city so like these are the things that i think we're not

00:23:50.040 we're definitely not thinking about like i to be honest with you paul i think that you don't care

00:23:54.840 and i don't care i don't care what your protest it not that i don't care right i i don't oppose

00:24:00.680 any protest of any kind if you've got something to say yeah let us know but please don't don't

00:24:07.880 impede other people's lives to do it if you need to market find more effective ways to get your

00:24:13.560 message out well the interesting thing is the next hooker the next angle that people bring up is

00:24:18.920 it's a hypocrisy that free speech zone in a free society to have a free speech shown in a free

00:24:25.720 society people say well that's that's bizarre how free is a society locked down by protests

00:24:31.720 exactly well that's the thing so so the the opposite of that is just what you said mike so

00:24:39.080 you're gonna block me to get your way so think of how childish that like my you know uh nephew

00:24:46.120 who's five years old that's a that's a tantrum yeah disrupting that's defined as a tantrum so

00:24:51.960 when he doesn't get what he wants he lays on the floor and he stamps his feet and he doesn't leave

00:24:56.840 it let us leave the house or eat dinner because he wants what he wants right right so what you're

00:25:03.560 you're an adult you're throwing an adult tantrum to block me in a protest manner you're going to

00:25:09.960 have a positive effect with your message on me in an and for the most part in another part of

00:25:15.400 the world that i can never have any impact on so that's what makes me bizarre so when i'm sitting

00:25:20.520 in traffic for an hour you know uh i'm sitting in traffic last weekend get from you know uh

00:25:27.960 mississauga to etobicoke which for those of you don't know it is roughly less than a half an hour

00:25:32.840 away from 20 minutes i'm an hour and a half to get one intersection i have to turn around

00:25:37.480 in order to get to my 90 year old father to help him out with something it was a four-hour trip

00:25:43.480 right so i have to go through now i have to absorb that for you because you've decided to ride that

00:25:50.440 bike protest that street run that mile in the middle of my city that i can't get around in

00:25:56.200 anymore and you think that that's rational so that's a rational way of thinking that's

00:26:02.040 think about it you know it's not rational and it's not rational that our politicians

00:26:07.640 can see to it well i was going to say this okay so the politicians let's let's talk about that

00:26:12.920 for one second and this is just off my cuff politicians are going to give in to the protesters

00:26:17.880 every time because they want the vote but imagine that we took that away from the vote right imagine

00:26:25.000 that we said okay you're not going to get the protester vote nobody's getting them because

00:26:29.560 we've made a ruling that we're going to put them in this beautiful park in a part of toronto that

00:26:33.480 is uh designated and zoned for this let's set up for it okay so now you don't have as a politician

00:26:40.520 the ability to say this protest group this uh disruptor group they've got i've got their vote

00:26:47.420 because i'm encouraging them to be in the street doing this to our city if you take that off the

00:26:55.400 table yeah i think that it becomes a tougher battle to get a seat on council yeah because

00:27:02.240 you actually have to go and find other ways to get votes out there you have to go and express

00:27:07.460 fresh change. You have to get out there and be fiscally responsible and all of these things

00:27:12.560 rather than just appeasing a shouting group of tantrum throwers. Exactly. But I'm going to stay

00:27:18.920 away from it. Here's the thing. I'm going to stay away from it. I'm going to kick it up to the

00:27:22.760 Supreme Court or to the federal government or freedom of rights, right? I'm going to kick it

00:27:26.700 up there and hope that it takes forever to get resolved because politically I don't want to

00:27:30.640 address it exactly therefore our productivity slips away slips away and here we are slipping

00:27:37.980 out of the 38 developed nations and we're just watching and we're thinking well that's okay

00:27:43.720 so now i want to bring this up too and you hit on it a few minutes ago i'm not against i love

00:27:50.700 charitable activities i love charities i love charities doing great things and i think they

00:27:56.040 do great things so i'm you know most of activism makes change a large part of my life is is that's

00:28:02.760 raising money for charity so quite frankly it's the cornerstone of what you do every day it is

00:28:07.240 the cornerstone but listen i find it really hard for some of you who are doing these things to

00:28:17.000 stand up or get on tv in the morning and say i got 5 000 people and i'm going to shut a major highway

00:28:24.360 that transports on a daily basis 150 000 to 200 000 cars so you're going to have 5 000 people

00:28:33.160 bike along or do something and you're going to shut it and you're going to disrupt

00:28:39.320 hundreds of thousands of people i really do struggle with that and i struggle with it i think

00:28:43.960 disruption is a has become um it's become a good word it's become a positive disruption

00:28:52.760 oh we're a disruptor we're a disruptor in the industry you know what it sounds to me like

00:28:57.720 you're an outsider it sounds to me like you've got a new idea it sounds to me like you why would

00:29:02.440 you say that you're a disruptor why don't you say that you are an advancer or a thinker i think that

00:29:08.540 that makes more sense right to say that you're a disruptor i don't think having pride in being a

00:29:13.820 disruptor should be encouraged we should be talking about activism okay we need change let's all get

00:29:19.760 together in a place that doesn't disturb society and share our message properly with with some

00:29:25.980 coherence well it's interesting because the the indian did you notice has moved up to markham this

00:29:30.920 year yeah i noticed that yeah i was like hallelujah that makes perfect this might be year two for it

00:29:36.460 is it or is this the first year i think it's the first year but it's a great idea but but you know

00:29:40.500 what i'm like the further up i'm not saying we lose that event a lot of people love that event

00:29:46.580 we didn't lose it it's right over there i know but but right over there is only in all of our

00:29:51.940 cities again we we are the second largest country in the world we have the land out the wazoo we

00:29:57.620 have water out this wazoo we have all kinds of places it's very easy rather than uh hold that

00:30:04.100 those two marathons those six charity events that block off major highways and all our cities from

00:30:09.620 the east coast to the west coast right let's move them out somewhere in the country let's build the

00:30:15.540 pass the bikes lanes safely quite frankly because here's the other thing you know making the case

00:30:22.980 that i want to take you know someone and go along a major highway like take for example in toronto

00:30:28.740 which is full of potholes and crap and obstacles and people can get hurt let's build nicely paved

00:30:35.460 areas where people can go train ride run and do things that are very healthy and create centers

00:30:42.660 that they can actually congregate after and and communally have a drink or have a meal and let's

00:30:49.620 do that on the outskirts of town in a happy manner that it's manageable and we're not blocking

00:30:54.820 everything else i'm all for the charity events i'm all for the marathons i'm all for all the physical

00:31:01.300 you know sports every recreation i love it all do it outside the city yeah and if we do that

00:31:07.860 quite frankly mike we avoid all these things i think if you need to look radical get a radical

00:31:12.340 message communicate it well do it in an orderly fashion i i by the way i think that we could

00:31:17.620 at democracy uh democracy park could have a wonderful marathon uh track around it you know

00:31:24.480 what i i all to your point let's build them separately and you know what let's let's go and

00:31:31.140 and and give towns outside of the major chorus an opportunity to present themselves in the best

00:31:37.780 light so you know this city is known for marathons this city is known for bikeathons this city is

00:31:44.140 known for charity events you know let's spread the wealth a little outside the core get people

00:31:49.220 to kind of move and enjoy we we have buses we have transportation let's move everyone outside

00:31:54.700 i do like the idea of trying to get people to extend the core of enjoyment yeah outside the

00:32:00.340 difficult zone well we build you know it's interesting we build these you know years ago

00:32:05.200 we just had the major core cities yeah and we build these great city halls over time we put

00:32:11.120 massive amounts of money into suburban city halls and infrastructure let's use them and let's use

00:32:18.100 them to declutter ourself the protest park thing quite frankly the protest park can be in the core

00:32:23.280 i understand why the major population by the way it's a fun notion in our mind i mean

00:32:28.100 democracy park sorry yeah democracy park yeah tm okay i just want you to know i've already t

00:32:34.400 merch available now but i mean really this is uh this is really a fancy of ours just just

00:32:40.980 talking about what some of the solutions could be and i would encourage you you've watched this

00:32:46.220 you've heard our ideas yeah i i hope that we've expressed them but this was us blue skying what

00:32:52.000 are your ideas what do you think we should be doing you know is there another idea that we've

00:32:55.520 missed share it with us is there a hybrid of this that would be kind of cool i think that we should

00:33:01.000 We need to talk about something.

00:33:03.560 I'm going to have a protest about this.

00:33:05.240 I'm going to do it on Yonge Street later on today.

00:33:07.800 Park my car.

00:33:08.520 I'll join you, Mike.

00:33:09.320 Okay, I'll see you then.

00:33:10.240 Paul, thanks.

00:33:10.840 This was not a crazy idea.

00:33:12.560 No, no.

00:33:13.420 I'd like to develop it, quite frankly.

00:33:15.300 And I'd like to, again, we need to think of solutions to get our productivity in Canada up.

00:33:22.060 We know it.

00:33:22.960 So we can't keep turning a blind eye, doing the same thing that isn't working,

00:33:27.280 to see all the things that we need to make happen go away.

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True Patriot Love - June 27, 2026

Protest Parks & Productivity： A New Idea for Canada？

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