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00:00:00.000 Thanks for joining us. Today we are breaking down Bill C-3, a law the government says fixes a

00:00:05.520 long-standing injustice and critics say quietly changes what it means to be Canadian. It removes

00:00:11.300 limits on citizenships passed through families born abroad, restores so-called lost Canadians, 0.89

00:00:16.920 and introduces a new test for having a real connection to Canada. Supporters call it

00:00:22.180 fairness, skeptics call it citizenship by paperwork. So what actually has changed and

00:00:27.260 why is it sparking so much debate? I was lucky enough to convince Mark Morris, TPL contributor,

00:00:32.980 lawyer, entrepreneur, and all-around good guy, just to chat this through with me. Let's get into it.

00:00:44.480 Patriotic means looking up for each other and fixing things together. True patriotism is being

00:00:51.280 in a country you love, surrounded by people you love, and great weather. Being a patriot is being

00:00:56.020 a part of your community and caring for it. It doesn't matter who you are or where you're from,

00:01:00.600 patriotism is the one thing we all share. It's okay to be critical of government and still be

00:01:06.580 a patriot. It's gratitude to your country. Of course I'm a patriot. I'm Canadian. It's my home. Well,

00:01:12.640 actually, true patriot love is the mission. Mark, thanks for taking the time to chat with me today.

00:01:22.600 You know, it's interesting because you and I, before we start recording, there's a million things

00:01:26.020 we could talk about. And you're one of the most knowledgeable guys, really with a focus on this

00:01:31.400 nation that I think we have the pleasure of bringing on regularly. So thank you, man. I really

00:01:35.660 appreciate this. I actually similarly appreciate it. I have to tell you, I know politically we may go

00:01:42.540 down different paths, but I believe that one of the strengths of Canada has always been the ability

00:01:47.460 of various people to talk, come to consensus. And as long as there's reason on both sides,

00:01:52.620 generally we're able to derive solutions and move forward. And I've always appreciated the fact

00:01:59.500 that, you know, you guys are trying to deliver a broad variety of views. And I'm very grateful for

00:02:05.600 being here. Yeah, no, listen, we can always have discussions, right? I mean, even if we don't agree,

00:02:10.360 it's so funny. You and I were chatting just before we recorded the show. And at the end of our chat,

00:02:16.140 I thought, this is why we do this. I just learned so much. And in upcoming shows, I promise you we'll

00:02:22.260 get Mark back in on the topics we were talking about. But doing business with Asia is a great

00:02:28.040 topic. Mark, let's pencil that one in for sure. It's my favorite topic to talk about, actually,

00:02:33.560 because so few North Americans actually quite understand the magnitude of what's taking place

00:02:38.200 out there. You know, generally, Canada has been able to rest on its laurels for many, many years

00:02:43.900 because all we needed to do was look to the states because they were the world's leader. But they're

00:02:48.200 no longer the world's leader in so many different areas. I mean, they're still the world's leader in

00:02:54.040 certain areas, but not for the vast majority. And when you go to China, and when you actually see

00:02:59.700 what's being worked on, on the basis of technologies, tech stacks and everything else,

00:03:04.460 it opens your eyes to the fact that the world is kind of moving beyond North

00:03:08.200 America. And that itself is a discussion that should be had over and over and over on every

00:03:12.860 channel. All right, let's, let's make sure that we pencil that in. Meanwhile, I should also point

00:03:18.120 out I think we're politically aligned now because I also vote for the rhinoceros party. So but today

00:03:24.780 we're actually and I appreciate this. This is what happens. We sit down as a group and I'll pull the

00:03:29.520 curtain back a bit. We sit down as a group weekly and sometimes biweekly to see what's going on in the

00:03:34.400 news and what's mattering most to Canadians. And we pick the stories that we're going to do in the

00:03:39.800 topics and guests and it all gets lined up. At the end of that, there's usually two or three stories

00:03:44.320 that we still want to do that haven't been assigned to anybody. And our producers pick up a dart and they

00:03:50.840 put their back to the list and choose who's going to do the topic and a potential guest that will align

00:03:57.920 with it in some way and have a good discussion. And that's how you and I land on Bill C3, the new

00:04:04.360 birth rates, birthright laws of citizenship for Canada. Thanks, Mark. I appreciate it. Let's talk

00:04:09.960 about this. No problem. I should caveat by saying this is not my expertise, right? Real estate, Asian 1.00

00:04:16.960 business, that type of stuff I'm in. This one here I have opinions about, but it's not what my day to day

00:04:21.700 is. That's a great way to start this because also not an expert, just an opinion. And frankly,

00:04:27.020 I just wanted to talk through this with somebody because I think that there are some outcomes from

00:04:33.600 this that are not desirable, yet there's real good reason in some ways to do it. Bill C3 is in effect

00:04:40.520 now, as I understand it. And, you know, the critics are arguing people becoming Canadian citizens who

00:04:47.480 have never lived in Canada is just a weird notion. But the truth is this has been done by other

00:04:53.620 countries, Britain, for example, and other countries for a long time.

00:04:59.740 Well, you know, it's interesting when we we have a discussion about immigration,

00:05:05.020 about new litigation, new legislation or anything else. What's really interesting is

00:05:10.300 that we have over the past 10 years just gone through possibly Canada's first failed

00:05:15.400 immigration experiment. Canada has always seen immigration as a huge benefit. And in fact,

00:05:21.400 for most of yours in my life, immigration was, in fact, something that bolstered the bottom line,

00:05:27.880 we had very selective criteria for who actually became a Canadian. Canada needs more people,

00:05:33.760 so long as those people were educated, so long as those people came with assets,

00:05:37.900 so long as those people were young, that we could go into what the criteria were. We saw them as natural

00:05:44.680 assets. And of course, what we saw under the last government was more particularly than any other

00:05:52.120 area, possibly a failure of immigration policy. I don't think that there's any denying this. You can

00:05:58.600 support whatever government you want, but you have to call balls and strikes. And boy, did the Trudeau

00:06:04.200 government screw up immigration? And perhaps it's impacting so many other things at the same time. I

00:06:11.160 mean, even creating polarity within our own country that we've never seen before.

00:06:20.840 Yeah, totally. I mean, the political ramifications of it were astounding. So let's just go over what

00:06:26.360 happened before. Because it may very well be illustrative to what it is we're trying to do

00:06:32.680 going forward. So what we did, where we got screwed up, is Canada kind of rested on its laurels. And it

00:06:39.480 said, all immigration is good immigration. And it empowered bad actors in the form of colleges that

00:06:47.400 weren't really colleges. They were called colleges, but they were anything but, you know, like a barber shop

00:06:52.040 or whatever it is. And so long as you were enrolled in one of these programs, then Conestega College,

00:06:58.280 and I'm going to pick on them because Conestega happened to have been the worst offender by far.

00:07:02.440 So screw it. They went down that road. Let's use their name. Conestega College and others, many, many 0.75

00:07:10.520 others, realized that there was a huge revenue source in promoting degrees, that they would be able to

00:07:17.640 hire people to go to the small farmlands of India, and say, you want to become a Canadian,

00:07:23.880 well, let's teach you how to be a barber. And suddenly, Conestega College became a pathway to

00:07:30.040 citizenship, which meant necessarily, not that you were importing hairdressers or anything else. In fact,

00:07:36.200 if you were importing young, you know, eager hairdressers, that that's great. Like, not everyone

00:07:43.800 needs to be a lawyer or a doctor or anything else. Like, if you have youth, if you have drive, if you

00:07:48.440 have, okay, no problem. But that's not who we're importing. By the way, likely if you're checking the

00:07:54.600 boxes that create good citizenship immigration, they're not likely coming here to be barbers.

00:08:02.840 I'm just being honest about that. There's way too much to be invested. Yeah, like after all,

00:08:07.080 how many people should be in barber college, right? Yeah, that's the reality. Yeah, it is. It is the

00:08:13.080 reality. And, you know, the federal government let this go for two, three years, during which time

00:08:19.160 there was a mass explosion where suddenly Conestega College and its ilk were able to determine that

00:08:25.560 they could get farmers in India to give them their life savings, have them come to Canada,

00:08:32.520 live in areas like Brampton where there were living eight, nine, ten people in a basement,

00:08:39.320 which explains what the housing, that was the first effect, was the housing boom.

00:08:45.240 And at the end of the day, academic experience had nothing to do with it. In fact, you'll recall,

00:08:50.840 but a couple of years ago, just at the end of COVID, there were a whole bunch of protesters in

00:08:55.320 Canada saying, how can you fail me? And the professors were saying, well, because this is not English.

00:09:00.200 And they would hold up a piece of paper, and it didn't even have an English word on it.

00:09:03.400 And they said, that's not the deal. We're not here to produce English. We're here to give you our

00:09:07.160 tuition. And you're here to allow us to get citizenship. Like they knew what the deal was.

00:09:11.880 Everyone knew what the deal was. The federal government turned a blind eye for three years,

00:09:15.880 during which we had hundreds of thousands of people come and find a path to citizenship.

00:09:21.160 And they happened to have been the wrong people, the people who were very different than what we've had

00:09:25.320 before. But more importantly, because they came in in such volume, they also disrupted hugely

00:09:33.160 our real estate markets. They disrupted our low end, first time job markets. Like if you're 60,

00:09:41.800 my daughter's 16 years old, she just got a job at a coffee shop. That has been made market. And to some

00:09:46.680 degree, we all get our first job, right? You do your work, you sit there, you put on your apron,

00:09:49.880 you say, hey, what can I do for your order and everything else? Well, if there are 500,000 new

00:09:55.160 people that are coming into the country, and they're all going for those same jobs, we're denying 1.00

00:10:00.520 our youth as well, that ability. And so what I'm getting at here is, it's instructive for us to look

00:10:06.440 at the last several years, and the mistakes made by Fraser and the Trudeau government,

00:10:13.560 as they opened up the doors to citizenship with reckless abandon, whether by intention or not,

00:10:18.200 doesn't matter. All that matters is results. That's that we're adults. That's all that matters

00:10:21.960 in this world, what happens, not what you want. Well, so moving forward, I think you're right.

00:10:27.400 As we take a look back, anything we do with citizenship needs to be done with real care,

00:10:33.000 with, you know, better attention to it. Giving people citizenship outside the country

00:10:40.760 is an extension of that in a big way. Yes, it is. And if I may, just for one second,

00:10:46.920 just before we go on to see three, one of the huge ramifications of this immigration policy that

00:10:55.160 was uncontrolled for three, four years, was that Canadians turned against immigration,

00:11:00.600 that Canadians politically said for the first time, oh, hells no, like, this is this is not my Canada.

00:11:06.600 I mean, it didn't matter which camp you came from. It was just the experience overall of Canadians,

00:11:12.040 wow, we've really overdone it. Right. Everyone, everyone felt that regardless of party. And and

00:11:17.400 that was that was a new sentiment for Canadians across the board. And all of this is to say,

00:11:22.920 who we select into our country is of critical import. And we should always because we're Canada,

00:11:30.680 and because we're privileged, and because we have a country that people want to move to, regardless of

00:11:35.320 what you may see on Twitter or X, whatever. The truth is, there are places in this world that are

00:11:41.640 terrible. And there are people who are trying to come to Canada. And this is a promised land for them, 1.00

00:11:46.760 especially by the way. And we can talk about this if you like, there are so many Americans who are now

00:11:52.920 seriously moving to Canada for the first time. I've never experienced this, but I'm in the real

00:11:56.920 estate market. I can't even tell you how many Americans are now looking at the Canadian option.

00:12:01.000 We have a lot of opportunity here. We have a lot of opportunity. And we should be selecting from the

00:12:06.040 best, the brightest, the smartest, and the most promising. Because lost in the immigration morass 1.00

00:12:14.200 of the past several years, in addition to everything else was our innovation.

00:12:18.200 One of the biggest problems we have in Canada is we no longer have an innovative economy.

00:12:22.440 It's really stagnated in that we don't really I mean, I think that there's a certain focus by

00:12:26.520 this new government under Carney to have a focus on that. I don't know if it'll deliver in time to

00:12:33.800 meet the rest of the market globally. But I think you're right. And you know, you just raised some

00:12:40.760 thoughts in my mind as we started talking about this. When I was a young man, if somebody immigrated

00:12:45.640 to Canada, I was proud that they came here. You're gonna love it here. Welcome, you're gonna have this

00:12:51.800 experience. Don't worry about it. We're very accepting. We're very tolerant as a as a nation.

00:12:58.680 We may, it may take some getting used to the weather. I mean, I've heard Canadians apologizing 1.00

00:13:05.160 to immigrants in the last two or three years. I'm sorry, your experience has been this.

00:13:10.520 Nobody intended for it to be this way.

00:13:12.360 And I wonder in Ontario, particularly exactly. Yeah, like Ontario, Vancouver had very similar

00:13:19.080 experiences, I think, in that regard. But yeah, I think that certainly in Ontario, we have a scenario

00:13:25.560 where you have to feel bad for people who thought they were getting to a new life. And it was a clear

00:13:31.960 cut path. And it's not what's interesting about immigration post World War Two in North America

00:13:38.280 is after World War Two, all of the money of the world was basically floating between Canada and

00:13:43.960 the United States. That's it. That's where the assets were. That's where the money was. The money

00:13:48.920 multiplier effect was taking place there. The factories were being built there. The jobs were there.

00:13:54.040 This is where everyone basically was able to seek out new life. Now, we are no longer in that same

00:14:02.680 privileged position. In fact, there are many other areas of the world that are experiencing the same

00:14:08.680 rise in the 50s. They're now experiencing it elsewhere. And so what that means is, whereas

00:14:15.000 before we never needed to compete with talent, we were just able to select for talent, we're entering

00:14:20.280 into a much more competitive field from an immigration perspective, where a Chinese person can honestly

00:14:26.680 look at China. Granted, there's a whole bunch of political reasons why you might not want to go to

00:14:30.600 China. And I could go into it. But, you know, when you're young, you're trying to support a family,

00:14:35.160 you're trying to become rich, you're trying, you know, I felt that you we've all run through this.

00:14:39.400 Well, do you think that your time is going to be better spent here in Canada,

00:14:43.160 or in Guangzhou with 72 million people in the greater area of Guangzhou, where they are flying

00:14:49.640 around now in drones? Where is your future? Vietnam is a future. 1.00

00:14:55.320 As the rest of the world develops, places that were less desirable, have more to offer.

00:15:02.680 The elevation, you're saying the elevation, overall of countries that we thought, I mean,

00:15:07.240 you know, another one that comes to mind is Ethiopia, that, you know, China has made a big deal of making

00:15:11.880 that a very large tech and development and manufacturing hub. And it's changed the course

00:15:19.000 of the future of that country. Well, we have not only and therefore their immigration to Canada,

00:15:24.440 we have Indonesia, which is a viable, amazing economy on fire, India, economy on fire, China,

00:15:32.200 don't need to speak about that. Vietnam, don't need to speak about that. And the traditional G7,

00:15:38.200 all especially America is looking less and less appealing with every single passing month. And so

00:15:47.240 we have to start putting on our prom dress. This is no longer I'm in sweats, you're going to want to

00:15:54.360 take me out on a date anyways, because I'm the hot one. And that's what we were dealing with for many

00:15:59.160 years. We now need to care, we now need to structure an economy. And we now need to think very seriously

00:16:06.200 about those people who are coming into our country, make sure that they're innovative

00:16:09.720 to their core, and make sure that they are bringing the skills that Canada will need as it goes forward

00:16:16.280 in this new multipolar world. And with that, this is a discussion.

00:16:22.440 Yeah, well, I think that this is actually, this is a great point. And so now as we look at citizenship,

00:16:29.000 Bill C-3 seems to create a little bit of, well, you know what, I think that it, like I say, I think

00:16:35.960 that it's a very mixed opinion, almost on a 50-50 basis among the people that we've talked to here

00:16:41.880 in the studio and beyond over the last couple of days about this. But it is a very important key

00:16:50.760 thing for us to think about. How are we going to treat citizens abroad? Are we going to allow them 1.00

00:16:57.880 multi-generational? This does allow that. Second and even third generation Canadians. What do you 0.99

00:17:02.840 think the impact of that is for those that are kind of lost Canadians? I mean, it does repatriate

00:17:10.040 a lot of people. Well, let's talk about lost Canadians. Where are the vast majority of Canadians

00:17:14.840 lost to? US, I'm going to say. There you go, US. And why is that? Because you fall in love,

00:17:21.160 because they have better weather, because I have my timeshare, whatever it is. You have relatives,

00:17:25.560 I have relatives. Canada, the US, we're interchangeable. Generally, people even come

00:17:29.800 to Canada, and then they see Canada as a way stop over to the United States. There it is. So when

00:17:34.360 we're talking about restoring lost citizenship, if we're truly talking about the actual effects,

00:17:39.720 there is a high likelihood that the vast majority of that effect will affect Americans seeking to

00:17:46.200 return to Canada, which, by the way, is a real factor growing because of the politics that's taking

00:17:52.840 place down south. I would assume. Yeah. Now, I know this sounds odd because you don't hear about

00:17:58.680 this yet, but my day job is a real estate lawyer. And we don't have a tremendous amount. We do like

00:18:03.720 over 100 deals a month. So it's enough to have a pulse on the market. It's not overwhelming, but

00:18:08.680 it's mainly Ontario. The amount of people who we have that are coming back from the States to Canada

00:18:13.720 is five fold increase. Now, granted, it wasn't very much to begin with. So I don't want to make this

00:18:18.200 look like we're dealing with huge numbers. Five fold from zero is still zero, right? So you have

00:18:23.160 0.01. Like, like, let's be clear. But you're seeing a noticeable noticeable increase. And the

00:18:29.320 reason they all say the same, which is political instability. I don't want to raise my kids. Here

00:18:34.120 we go. So if we're talking about repatriation, what we are talking about is repatriation of people who

00:18:40.440 share similar values to us, who share similar languages to us, who share similar economic theories of

00:18:48.680 of political organization. And to that end, unlike certain repatriations, this repatriation may very

00:18:58.600 well go simply like if we are able to pass something like this, and if the States continues to devolve

00:19:04.600 into something with greater and greater political uncertainty. And by the way, it doesn't matter if

00:19:10.280 you want to agree with that or not. So long as a portion of the Americans believe that, and the left in

00:19:15.480 America believes that, then that's going to be the portion that comes. So we're not having a debate as

00:19:19.720 to whether or not that's the case. It's clearly the case amongst a segment of that economy. And that

00:19:25.480 segment will overwhelm the Canadians because we're 37 million and they're 300 million. So even if you're

00:19:30.920 talking about half the country that feels that way, that's 550 million as against our 337. So what

00:19:35.880 we're talking about is we're talking about repatriating people with similar values, with similar

00:19:39.960 education, with similar economic theories, with similar political understandings, with an

00:19:44.360 appreciation of the rule of law. In other words, you are looking to take in to Canada people who

00:19:50.360 would naturally fit in in the first place. And so it's not to my mind, in aggregate,

00:19:56.360 the worst thing to explore. I'm not saying I've thought through this in great detail.

00:20:02.040 Yeah, no, no, I kind of sit with you on this. It feels good to have some choice of the citizens

00:20:09.720 that we will bring back here because they were already naturalized born Canadians or had Canadian

00:20:17.240 citizenship. I think the danger comes on the other side. And maybe, Mark, you can refute this.

00:20:24.200 First of all, some people will take a Canadian passport or a Canadian citizenship and apply

00:20:33.080 it to a passport. And our passport is revered worldwide. If we start handing out passports

00:20:39.080 to people who are living in other countries and they're taking advantage of it, how long do we have

00:20:45.880 before our passport becomes devalued or more restricted around the world? It's occurred in other

00:20:53.640 countries. I mean, of course, there's been countries that have commercialized their passports in the

00:21:00.360 past. But that's one of the dangers I think people are worried about. And then just having this status

00:21:05.960 rather than a real connection to the country. Well, I think in order to answer that question,

00:21:10.760 I think we have to think about the reason why the Canadian passport is a respected entity. Is it

00:21:15.560 respected because of the quality of people we have in Canada? Or is it respected? And this is an

00:21:20.360 important question, because if we're to answer this, we have to think about this. Or is it respected

00:21:25.320 because of the values that Canada exhibits on a world stage going forward? Like, for instance,

00:21:30.040 I don't know if you've ever traveled in Europe, but it's 80 years now since World War II. And

00:21:36.760 none of us fought in that battle. And yet Canada, if you go over to the Netherlands, if you go over to the

00:21:42.840 north, it's remarkable. Right? I mean, because the values are more than the people. They're the

00:21:47.960 actions of the country. And I don't know that that's going to change substantially because

00:21:52.600 Canadian values, whether it's a conservative or a liberal government, Canadian values are

00:21:56.520 somewhat the Canadian values. Yes, conservatives are more nationalistic in certain ways. And yes,

00:22:01.240 they support certain metrics. And liberals are more multipolar. And, you know, like, yes,

00:22:07.640 they have these particularities. But from the outside world, that's not the way the outside world sees it.

00:22:12.440 They kind of see it as Canada, whether you're Diefenbaker times, whether you're Joe Clark times,

00:22:17.240 whether you're Trudeau times. We all understand, like, you like, screw off, you're screwing our 0.56

00:22:23.800 country. But externally, I don't know that our reputation has been impugned in any way. And

00:22:28.680 I think it's on that basis, the value of the Canadian passport relies. But if I may say something.

00:22:35.480 That could change, though, Mark, what I'm saying is that there could be dramatic for the first time

00:22:40.760 in our lifetime, there could be dramatic change to who accepts a passport from a country that offers,

00:22:46.040 and this is not today, but I think down the road it and this is not necessarily my belief,

00:22:51.800 but it is one of the fears that you hear critics saying is that it opens the door to non naturalized

00:22:57.320 Canadians getting passports, therefore making it more difficult for the rest of the world to take our

00:23:03.320 passport so seriously.

00:23:05.560 Yeah, it does. And I understand that. I understand the argument. Like, I shouldn't say it does,

00:23:10.440 but I understand that argument. That argument makes some sense. You know, what I'm experiencing in the

00:23:16.200 world, I don't know if you see it, but I travel a lot. And whereas when I've heard, I'm sorry,

00:23:20.920 my dog, I have an office dog. It's mail time at the office. And my dog is currently yapping away at the

00:23:27.160 mailman. I'm sorry. At least I know whose desk I can find some treats in next time I visit. Okay,

00:23:32.840 that's fine. So if you think about it, we used to be graded entirely by the character of our passport.

00:23:40.840 That's what used to be the case. Like, who are you? You're Canadian. That defined who you are.

00:23:46.040 There are other definitional characteristics to people now when they travel that have nothing to

00:23:50.840 do with citizenship. Uh, and this is in an era of wealth gone mad. Um, you know, what socioeconomic

00:23:58.680 class you belong to, uh, what economic status you bring to the table is to my mind, mattering more

00:24:06.440 and more when I travel. Now, maybe that's because I'm getting older. I'm not sure, but no one cares

00:24:10.760 if you're from Saudi or if you're from Canada or if you're from Venezuela, no one cares if you have 1.00

00:24:16.360 assets behind you. And that's a sad indictment of our system, by the way. I was going to say that is

00:24:22.280 a little saddening to my heart because it is part of what makes Canada, uh, historically, uh, I think

00:24:30.840 even that, that imagery that you painted in our mind about post-war heroism, um, you know what, that,

00:24:38.520 that is part of what is the flavor of Canada as part of that maple syrup. But an ideal world is one where

00:24:45.640 you're judged by the content of your character and not your assets. And, you know, like this is,

00:24:51.080 this is the great, this is the great vision. This is what you want. You want people to be governed

00:24:55.880 by who they are and their actions. Um, and not just by what they have, which for a long time was a

00:25:03.800 singular passport and now is dollars or euros or anything else. Uh, we are definitely devolving into an,

00:25:10.920 into almost what is on an individual level. I think almost a post-national sort of world where,

00:25:18.600 I mean, I don't know about you, I saw what was happening down south. And the first thing I did

00:25:22.200 was I got my kids European citizenship. So my kids are now, my kids and my wife are now foolish. 0.99

00:25:26.760 We just got it, uh, took eight months. And how hard was that? I literally just applied. I got the EU 0.98

00:25:33.640 citizenship and well, I didn't, I'm the only one in my family that doesn't have it, but my, my family has it

00:25:38.440 now. And does that, I'm not going to lie to you. I'm going through the process right now of

00:25:42.840 investigating my Mexican, uh, citizenship and passport because my, my wife is Mexican.

00:25:48.680 Right. And there's so many of us that have traveled for so many different places. Like we are all

00:25:53.880 capable now of getting more than one passport. We're all capable of actually acquiring citizen.

00:25:59.320 I'm just not sure if citizenship has the same rule that it once did relative to other things like

00:26:06.360 money, like status. And that's a sad indictment to be sure, but it doesn't make it any less true.

00:26:12.120 Mark, do you think this is true? Now we talked about immigration spun out of control, which is, 0.83

00:26:15.960 you know, the general feeling out there, I think across the country. And does this feel to you to just

00:26:23.880 be bad timing to be discussing this? Because overall, as you and I talk about it here, the truth

00:26:30.360 is, I don't think it has much impact on us as a nation, but it is a really nice generational move

00:26:38.840 to give people the option to bring their families back to Canada or for somebody who is currently not

00:26:45.480 under citizenship that, that might want to land here as a citizen, uh, participate in a college

00:26:51.800 program, uh, you know, begin their life. And I see that, I see that being a great fit. Well,

00:26:56.680 well, let's, let's consider the fact that there are two times that people would ultimately want to

00:27:02.360 move to Canada, but the vast majority of times that people pick up and move is usually when they're young.

00:27:07.160 That's usually what happens to the extent that we have a bunch of Anglos and Francophones that are

00:27:14.280 now living in France, Britain, and America that had Canadian lineage that may want to come back,

00:27:20.600 that have the resources to come back, that actually say, I have the gumption to set up here and

00:27:24.840 everything else. I don't see that as a bad thing. I think that that might very well attract the right

00:27:31.160 immigrants, the very people that we are looking to actually bring into this country. I think we have

00:27:37.320 to be on guard about the immigrants who bring into this country. I think the past 10 years have taught 1.00

00:27:40.680 us that massively. And when they are of different cultures, that's not to say we shouldn't have

00:27:45.480 different cultures that come to Canada. We absolutely should, but we bring in enough of a single 1.00

00:27:49.160 culture within a very limited period of time. And what you do is you build walls as opposed to

00:27:56.120 being able to actually actually integrate people. Exactly. Integrate. And it's so funny that you say

00:28:01.560 that because, uh, yeah. And, and, uh, here's a good example of what we do here at TPL. You got a

00:28:07.800 conservative and a liberal, uh, agreeing to agree on almost every point here. Uh, but I do think that

00:28:13.880 you're right. It gives us as Canadians, a little bit of pride. It gives us a rung on that ladder of

00:28:19.800 pride that we can step up and say, you can continue to be Canadian. You can come back and be Canadian.

00:28:26.280 Once a Canadian, always a Canadian. We kind of need that patriotic, uh, pride and, and, uh, it's a great

00:28:34.120 way to build heritage in a young country. We're a young country. Heritage is the right word. That's

00:28:39.480 right. And by the way, what, what you should realize in immigration is that those young people

00:28:44.440 who immigrate usually have a higher than average salary that nets to them after 10 years of being

00:28:51.320 here. Um, you know, immigration when done properly has such positive effects on an economy. Let's,

00:29:00.680 let's just take a look at some historical examples because they're fascinating if you think about

00:29:04.680 them. When did America hit its heyday? When, when would you say America hit its heyday?

00:29:09.640 It's industrial. Uh, I'm going to say, uh, post-war, they really came at it, right?

00:29:14.440 Yeah, probably the 1970s, you know, the American dream. Yeah. Yeah. Probably the 1970s was like the,

00:29:19.960 the industrial, like everything was America. All the factories were there. You name it, blah, blah, blah,

00:29:23.960 blah. Just pre-rate it. Um, well, okay. What happened right after World War II?

00:29:30.680 Well, we stole all of the German scientists. All of them. We just took the entire German rocket team. 0.85

00:29:36.680 We took the entire German scientific industry. We took every person who had net worth. We brought 1.00

00:29:41.480 them over to the country. We said, start up again. Here we go. Argentina tried to compete with us,

00:29:45.400 but we were more successful. I was going to bring that out. Thank you for mentioning it.

00:29:49.480 And boom, we suddenly 20 years later had a boom. Yeah. I was just in Israel. Um, Israel had a similar

00:29:58.200 experience in 1991, the Soviet union fell. Now the vast Jews being Jews have always somewhat prided 0.99

00:30:07.000 education. And there's good reason for that historically. It's because that makes you mobile

00:30:10.920 by the way. So that actually, you can actually run it. That's actually the reason that Jews are in 1.00

00:30:16.280 diamonds. It's because real estate is because real estate is easily liquidable and then diamonds,

00:30:21.160 you can shove up your rear and then kind of travel wherever you need to go. It's actually,

00:30:24.520 uh, who hasn't done that. Am I right? Mark? Sorry. Who hasn't done that on a Saturday? Anyways. Um,

00:30:32.520 so, um, the be all and end all is when the Soviet union fell, um, there was a huge movement in the

00:30:40.040 eighties to get what were called the refuse mix next out, which were a whole bunch of Jewish, um, 1.00

00:30:45.320 people from Soviet union. And when the walls fell, we, or Israel took in all of these scientists,

00:30:53.320 the entire scientific Russian scientific core came to Israel, this small little country.

00:30:59.000 And then 20 years later, similar to what happened in America, boom, you have startup nation, you have,

00:31:05.560 you have foundational, you have the quarries, you have the Intel plants, Nvidia, you have,

00:31:10.040 there's a reason it's happening there. It's because 20 years ago, they took in all of the immigrants with 0.99

00:31:14.280 all of the actual. So my point is that when history presents itself with opportunities,

00:31:21.000 and when you can take in the right people on mass, if you can do that 20 years later,

00:31:27.160 you are going to have a boom. And it's important to think about that because of the instability that

00:31:33.160 is now taking place south of us. There is one place that the vast majority of Americans will go

00:31:38.520 because their families live in the United States and it's here. And we are now at a position where

00:31:44.520 Carney has smartly, look, he might not like all of his policies, but one of the things he did is he put

00:31:49.080 aside billions of dollars to get American academics and talents and scientific and said,

00:31:54.840 we are Canada, you are safe, let's go. And that is a massive immigration strategy that the Canadian

00:32:00.760 government has adopted, hopefully with the same efficacy as what happened after World War Two and 0.76

00:32:05.160 everything else. Mark, you're a great conversation, my man. Thank you so much for this discussion.

00:32:12.920 I promise we will rebook when you've got a moment. I know you travel a lot, but I would love to talk

00:32:18.040 about a different perspective on doing business in China, because right now it's a very touchy time

00:32:25.480 with our neighbors to the south. And at the same time, our country is looking for opportunity

00:32:31.080 that doesn't exist in the US. Not to cross promote in any way, but I just did Ron Butler's show

00:32:36.280 last week on on my adventures in China halfway through. And I would be more than pleased. I mean,

00:32:43.720 a lot has happened since that show. I'd be more than pleased to speak to you about it.

00:32:47.240 It has to do with geopolitics. It has to do with the future of our economy. It has to do with where our

00:32:51.240 kids are going to find their potentials in the future. And it has to do with Canada's opportunity,

00:32:56.360 because at the end of the day, Canada is we want to claim it's a special place. And it is. We love

00:33:01.160 it. It's O Canada, home and native land and all that. But what we really are is we're a country

00:33:05.960 that takes stuff out of the ground and gives it to other people. And that those people happen to

00:33:10.760 have been the United States for many, many years. And it's changing very, very quickly. And there's

00:33:14.840 another person with a voracious appetite. And so understanding who that person is, how they work,

00:33:19.720 and the nature of politics out there is something I've been trying to educate myself on for about 10 years.

00:33:24.600 And I'd be very happy to speak about it because it's fascinating stuff.

00:33:27.880 I'm going to bring Paul Micucci and we'll talk about it like a group in a round table. And we'll

00:33:31.560 do that in the next week. Meanwhile, Mark, thank you so much. I really appreciate this. Details

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Redefining Canadian Citizenship

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