00:00:00.000Yeah, we knew we needed bail reform, but did anybody know that we needed it to the point where all we're trying to do is hit the obvious points to protect ourselves?
00:00:08.960No violent offenders out there. Nobody can provide surety who's got a crime.
00:00:13.060If you've got a history of violence, if this crime is a violent crime, I mean, really, these seem like very basic points, Paul.
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00:01:26.480uh to talk more about it paul micucci joining me thanks so much hey mike when i say joining me
00:01:31.880really i'm joining you because you've taken a deep dive on bail reform which is what we're
00:01:36.820talking about today the feds dropped it about a week and a half ago now and uh we're going to
00:01:42.340take a closer look at it today yeah just before they go on summer vacation you know on the 18th
00:01:47.080they dropped this uh c14 um which is very interesting because it really prompted my
00:01:53.820uh research on to how many people have committed homicides on bail oh yeah so i dove into it i was
00:02:05.100very curious an interesting starting point yeah you know and i so i went back i started diving
00:02:09.960i'm looking at trying to find 25 stats trying to find 24 none trying to find 23 guess when the last
00:02:17.360time we reported the number of people on bail that committed a homicide no idea 2022 there were
00:02:25.280256 individuals charged with homicide while on bail or conditional release accounting for 30
00:02:33.440of the cases that year that's incredible yeah and we just stopped we just dropped that stat
00:02:39.920well of course it got too high yeah you know and that happens you know recently i don't know if
00:02:44.640you've followed this but stats canada laid off a bunch of people so what happens with stats canada
00:02:50.720as you look at kind of the ebb and flow of uh employment as soon as the stat becomes too
00:02:56.000difficult for the government to deal with we just lay off that group or lay out that division
00:03:01.520and then off it goes that watchdog is now gone right so if you look at it we have about we have
00:03:07.440about uh 2025 we had 788 victims to homicide okay so it's roughly stayed fairly flat you know it's uh
00:03:18.4801.91 per hundred thousand population which it's funny when we do report the number everyone always
00:03:24.800says oh that's a low number compared to the us which is roughly three point something okay
00:03:30.240compare that to the us for me it's half okay right so if you look at it we're roughly half of what
00:03:35.280the u.s is so that's the stat we always throw on the table but we don't focus on the fat fact that
00:03:41.520the number includes a third of the people that are out on bail that do commit the crimes of murder
00:03:48.240so and you know then i then i went back and i actually looked and and you know the one that
00:03:52.640came to mind the one that popped up was one that i think pierre polyev um always refers to and this
00:03:59.200is the the young lady in uh in brampton that's killed by her partner who was out on gun charges
00:04:09.440so he was given bail he had a violent past he was given bail um and uh it's paul henderson
00:04:16.880and flo bellman uh basically he's saying that the court protected um this person let them out they
00:04:26.160committed the crime they were mad that they were in there for partner violence got out and shot
00:04:31.440their daughter and you know we just hear that time and time again and you know being familiar with
00:04:36.880peel i went dug into it and i said okay what happened out of that like what was the result of
00:04:42.080that well the the police uh crew or the police chiefs from peel all came together and they came
00:04:48.800up with a set of recommendations and this was took a while was in 2025 um you know and it was
00:04:56.320just interesting because the recommendations were review and expand reverse onus provisions for bail
00:05:01.760in cases involving uh violent crime serious offenses and organized crime these are these
00:05:08.320offenses include car thefts home invasion human trafficking and drug smuggling they wanted to
00:05:14.080actually have more money into jails and policing well that made sense because they know there's a
00:05:19.840backlog um and basically uh they wanted to prioritize victim safety in bail and release
00:05:28.620decisions right so that's currently not in there which we're going to talk about in a minute
00:05:32.920because prior to c14 your ability to get bail was based on the definitions it's uh three categories
00:05:40.700Right. And so they didn't have that in there, which I thought was just bizarre in my mind.
00:05:45.840In the new reform version of this bill that's been put forward, it's interesting because I took a look back and in just in March alone, the conservatives put forward bills that are very, very, I would say really more detailed than what came out in this bail reform.
00:06:09.980I'll give you one. Bill C-246. Make sure sexual predators receive consecutive sentences so each
00:06:16.080offense is recognized and punished. That was thrown out. Bill C-220. End leniency for non-citizens
00:06:24.000convicted of serious crimes and ensure deportation instead of special treatment. That one got voted
00:06:31.440down. Bill C-243. Stop yearly parole hearings that force victims' families to relive the trauma
00:06:38.300again and again jail not bail so just even those three in the last year prior and of course i think
00:06:46.220i recall when pauliev came out with this these suggestions on the basis of the recommendations
00:06:51.580of the chiefs of police i i think that at that point the liberals were like don't worry about
00:06:56.620it we're already working on something they did they did every time he was either before or after
00:07:01.260them but you know mike and i don't know if you mentioned it 274 did you call up 27 because i know
00:07:06.540No, that wasn't on my list because it's a little earlier.
00:07:08.540So 274, this is the one that died on the order paper.