True Patriot Love - [Sneak Peek] Bail Reform, Crime, and Canada’s Prison Capacity Crisis

00:00:00.000 Yeah, we knew we needed bail reform, but did anybody know that we needed it to the point where all we're trying to do is hit the obvious points to protect ourselves?

00:00:08.960 No violent offenders out there. Nobody can provide surety who's got a crime.

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00:01:09.120 do and today we're taking a deeper dive

00:01:11.120 on a topic that we started during

00:01:12.720 our crime update last week

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00:01:20.260 we give sort of an overview of what's going

00:01:23.080 on crime wise across the country

00:01:25.080 and this was on that list

00:01:26.480 uh to talk more about it paul micucci joining me thanks so much hey mike when i say joining me

00:01:31.880 really i'm joining you because you've taken a deep dive on bail reform which is what we're

00:01:36.820 talking about today the feds dropped it about a week and a half ago now and uh we're going to

00:01:42.340 take a closer look at it today yeah just before they go on summer vacation you know on the 18th

00:01:47.080 they dropped this uh c14 um which is very interesting because it really prompted my

00:01:53.820 uh research on to how many people have committed homicides on bail oh yeah so i dove into it i was

00:02:05.100 very curious an interesting starting point yeah you know and i so i went back i started diving

00:02:09.960 i'm looking at trying to find 25 stats trying to find 24 none trying to find 23 guess when the last

00:02:17.360 time we reported the number of people on bail that committed a homicide no idea 2022 there were

00:02:25.280 256 individuals charged with homicide while on bail or conditional release accounting for 30

00:02:33.440 of the cases that year that's incredible yeah and we just stopped we just dropped that stat

00:02:39.920 well of course it got too high yeah you know and that happens you know recently i don't know if

00:02:44.640 you've followed this but stats canada laid off a bunch of people so what happens with stats canada

00:02:50.720 as you look at kind of the ebb and flow of uh employment as soon as the stat becomes too

00:02:56.000 difficult for the government to deal with we just lay off that group or lay out that division

00:03:01.520 and then off it goes that watchdog is now gone right so if you look at it we have about we have

00:03:07.440 about uh 2025 we had 788 victims to homicide okay so it's roughly stayed fairly flat you know it's uh

00:03:18.480 1.91 per hundred thousand population which it's funny when we do report the number everyone always

00:03:24.800 says oh that's a low number compared to the us which is roughly three point something okay

00:03:30.240 compare that to the us for me it's half okay right so if you look at it we're roughly half of what

00:03:35.280 the u.s is so that's the stat we always throw on the table but we don't focus on the fat fact that

00:03:41.520 the number includes a third of the people that are out on bail that do commit the crimes of murder

00:03:48.240 so and you know then i then i went back and i actually looked and and you know the one that

00:03:52.640 came to mind the one that popped up was one that i think pierre polyev um always refers to and this

00:03:59.200 is the the young lady in uh in brampton that's killed by her partner who was out on gun charges

00:04:09.440 so he was given bail he had a violent past he was given bail um and uh it's paul henderson

00:04:16.880 and flo bellman uh basically he's saying that the court protected um this person let them out they

00:04:26.160 committed the crime they were mad that they were in there for partner violence got out and shot

00:04:31.440 their daughter and you know we just hear that time and time again and you know being familiar with

00:04:36.880 peel i went dug into it and i said okay what happened out of that like what was the result of

00:04:42.080 that well the the police uh crew or the police chiefs from peel all came together and they came

00:04:48.800 up with a set of recommendations and this was took a while was in 2025 um you know and it was

00:04:56.320 just interesting because the recommendations were review and expand reverse onus provisions for bail

00:05:01.760 in cases involving uh violent crime serious offenses and organized crime these are these

00:05:08.320 offenses include car thefts home invasion human trafficking and drug smuggling they wanted to

00:05:14.080 actually have more money into jails and policing well that made sense because they know there's a

00:05:19.840 backlog um and basically uh they wanted to prioritize victim safety in bail and release

00:05:28.620 decisions right so that's currently not in there which we're going to talk about in a minute

00:05:32.920 because prior to c14 your ability to get bail was based on the definitions it's uh three categories

00:05:40.700 Right. And so they didn't have that in there, which I thought was just bizarre in my mind.

00:05:45.840 In the new reform version of this bill that's been put forward, it's interesting because I took a look back and in just in March alone, the conservatives put forward bills that are very, very, I would say really more detailed than what came out in this bail reform.

00:06:09.980 I'll give you one. Bill C-246. Make sure sexual predators receive consecutive sentences so each

00:06:16.080 offense is recognized and punished. That was thrown out. Bill C-220. End leniency for non-citizens

00:06:24.000 convicted of serious crimes and ensure deportation instead of special treatment. That one got voted

00:06:31.440 down. Bill C-243. Stop yearly parole hearings that force victims' families to relive the trauma

00:06:38.300 again and again jail not bail so just even those three in the last year prior and of course i think

00:06:46.220 i recall when pauliev came out with this these suggestions on the basis of the recommendations

00:06:51.580 of the chiefs of police i i think that at that point the liberals were like don't worry about

00:06:56.620 it we're already working on something they did they did every time he was either before or after

00:07:01.260 them but you know mike and i don't know if you mentioned it 274 did you call up 27 because i know

00:07:06.540 No, that wasn't on my list because it's a little earlier.

00:07:08.540 So 274, this is the one that died on the order paper.

00:07:13.020 Right.

00:07:13.220 It created a strict rule where anyone accused of three or more serious crimes,

00:07:18.720 crimes that carry a maximum penalty of five years or more,

00:07:22.400 would automatically presume to need jail while awaiting making bail highly unlikely for chronic offenders.

00:07:28.860 And the liberals said to that, that's a hollow statement.

00:07:31.560 It's not even a law.

00:07:33.000 It's a very specific thing.

00:07:34.420 three strikes and you're out is a pretty consistent law in a lot of countries now right so the you

00:07:40.140 know here you had the conservatives putting very specific motions in bills and putting them up and

00:07:45.400 putting them up and putting them up so waiting waiting and the whole time as you mentioned the

00:07:50.200 liberal government's saying it's coming it's coming so sean frazier right yeah uh he's the

00:07:55.520 minister in charge of this now sean has a lot of interesting portfolios that he he looked at

00:08:00.640 immigration housing that he he made a horrific mess out of and i think has been duly noted with

00:08:06.220 a lot of people you know he's been given this file and so he kept saying you know it's coming 0.58

00:08:10.840 it's coming well it came just before they left for summer vacation and it arrived do you mind

00:08:16.680 me mentioning it arrived on a friday late in the day yeah there's something to that i'm sorry but

00:08:23.700 if you're expecting the media to cover something that's not the time of the week and the time of

00:08:28.960 day that you do it you do that to avoid scrutiny yeah oh yeah for sure now c14 can we spend a few

00:08:37.080 minutes because those people right i need to unravel that yeah so uh it makes bail harder to

00:08:43.580 get for those accused of repeat and violent offending by creating new reverse onus rules

00:08:48.980 in certain cases meaning the accused must show why they should be released right right that sounds

00:08:55.240 great you know when i read it it's funny i've read this a couple times now you know the other

00:08:59.880 day on the crime show and i've read it in prep and then i read it in prep again today

00:09:03.880 i'm reading it and i'm thinking okay that sounds good right however it it also requires

00:09:12.360 first of all yeah it sounds okay because it's the first thing that they it's the headline

00:09:16.440 yeah yeah violent criminals won't get out on bail they need to prove it to us and okay continue on

00:09:22.840 into this yeah directs police to detain and accuse for a bail hearing when it is necessary to protect

00:09:29.160 public the public including victims and witnesses makes sense right oh of course yeah no another

00:09:36.680 great headline the things that we really expect our government and our law enforcement already to

00:09:41.160 do requires courts to consider more factors at barrett bail hearings whether the allegations

00:09:46.760 involve violence that was random or unprovoked okay so in other words if if you know if you

00:09:54.280 just got attacked for walking down the street then that must be considered makes sense there

00:10:01.080 requires courts to consider whether the accused has numerous or serious

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True Patriot Love - June 26, 2026

[Sneak Peek] Bail Reform, Crime, and Canada’s Prison Capacity Crisis

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