True Patriot Love - June 30, 2026


The Iran Update 06 24 26 - What's Next?


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In this episode, Mike and Paul discuss the Iran MOU, and how it affects Canada and the rest of the world, including the impact on oil prices, trade with Iran, and the impact it could have on the global economy.

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00:00:00.000 We've been in a technical recession now, but we've been in a technical recession with the bump in oil prices.
00:00:06.660 So where does that leave us without the bump in oil prices?
00:00:09.240 We're about to find out.
00:00:14.460 Hi, thanks for joining us. This is tplmedia.ca. I'm Mike, and today the topic, well, it is what everybody's talking about on a global front,
00:00:23.880 an MOU that has been drawn up by the U.S., presented and negotiated with Iran.
00:00:29.360 and today we're going to dive a little bit deeper into that topic to find out how this directly
00:00:35.240 affects Canada and to do that of course Paul Micucci who does the deep dive on the numbers for
00:00:40.980 us always and beyond I appreciate you doing this because you've gone through this almost every
00:00:47.700 section of this MOU yeah and you've looked at it from a number of perspectives kick us off Paul 0.93
00:00:54.040 what do you think overall this has done globally what do you think that this mou is going to do 0.87
00:01:03.080 to the economy of the world oh my goodness well the world changes it forever you know and we 0.96
00:01:09.600 talked about this on other shows mike it changes uh how transportation logistics happens throughout
00:01:16.080 the world the global powers who secures what nation what nations eventually take over other
00:01:22.300 nations it is it basically causes a chain of reaction which will impact every continent
00:01:30.780 in the world every country so but you know i'm really really focused right now on canada because
00:01:36.220 of course we live here and what impact it has on us and how we are so oblivious to the impacts i i
00:01:44.300 am shocked that actually this summer everyone's just going off on summer vacation after this and
00:01:50.860 when i looked at it i thought am i missing something you know should we be more focused on
00:01:57.180 how this is going to impact us because i think we thought okay you know the the u.s for all intensive
00:02:02.700 purposes that are pulling out they've lost they've decided to back down and go come home and last
00:02:09.020 night even you know it was interesting i don't know late late in the day yesterday the senate
00:02:14.300 voted the u.s senate voted 50 to 48 with a bunch of republicans turning uh the to make the vote go
00:02:22.860 through um empowering the wars act which is interesting that basically says he has to stop
00:02:29.020 you you have to come home now you have to come home now which you know of course they're saying
00:02:33.260 i have veto power because this is the house bill it's gone to the senate the senate finally passed
00:02:38.460 it and he's saying no it won't have any impact it makes my life more difficult but i'll still get
00:02:44.060 this mou done i'll still get the agreement done um but i don't know right it's it's it's kind of
00:02:50.620 crazy because senator um wicker who is the armed services committee chair roger wicker from a
00:02:58.140 republic from mississippi um i saw was tearing up the mou and just disgusted at how it had in his
00:03:06.220 mind had uh downgraded or uh made epic fury look like it was nothing and then now he's asking the
00:03:15.180 really big question is where does the 300 billion dollar reconstruction fund money come from which
00:03:21.420 is right now unanswered that's on the table who makes up that money within minutes of this uh
00:03:26.700 occurring uh in the senate floor of course the iranian parliament and and you know this uh
00:03:32.700 galabaf of one of the parliamentary ministers and uh representing speaker yeah i came out and this 0.72
00:03:38.620 is uh the islam is bad the islamabad understand that it's not the result of pressure and coercion 0.74
00:03:45.340 but rather the result of the resistance and authority of the brave iranian nation 0.81
00:03:50.540 that's what he said on national television that's why the islamabad memorandum of understanding
00:03:56.140 became and i like that he calls it that's very interesting uh became a declaration of america's
00:04:02.540 defeat right well so now iran is saying okay he's got to go home he lost right that has a huge
00:04:10.460 impact oh it does and i want you know for those of you and we want to spend a few minutes mike
00:04:15.180 and just go through the mou yeah sure so i really wanted to go through um a little bit about what's
00:04:21.420 going to happen so the biggest thing is it reopens the straight yeah right so you know
00:04:29.660 whatever you have to say the straight controls one-fifth of our oil supply so now the u.s is
00:04:37.820 going to back off they said they're not going to uh you know be uh blocking the straight of hermuz
00:04:45.100 so it now opens up the straight and they're going to go in and they're talking this morning or
00:04:49.660 yesterday about sweeping it for landmines making sure it was all clear again and really rolling
00:04:55.260 through right which as we're seeing now i don't know if you've noticed at the pumps the price of
00:05:00.540 gas is starting to go back down it is yeah it's it's back into the realm of some sort of reality
00:05:06.620 it feels like we're headed back to normal right back to normal the interesting part is remember
00:05:12.380 before this happened normal was low right we were remember we were talking on shows a few months ago
00:05:18.380 before uh the war happened about 60 58 we were even in calgary and they were complaining about
00:05:25.180 it oh man you know things aren't so great they had several zero barrels which is you know they
00:05:31.260 basically just keeping the flow going yeah uh at zero profit uh per barrel uh for a long time the
00:05:36.940 the bottom had been hit i think in canadian oil by the time this occurred yeah exactly so it kind
00:05:43.340 of breathed a new uh a new existence into that oil business here in canada yeah yeah we rode
00:05:49.420 the waves so we've been you know it's interesting we we've been in a uh a recession you know uh
00:05:56.300 technical how dare you yeah a technical recession as they're calling it but we've been in a technical
00:06:01.580 recession now but we've been in a technical recession with the bump in oil prices so where
00:06:07.420 does that leave us without the bump in oil prices we're about to find out yeah so you know the sugar
00:06:12.940 coating is coming off the apple right now and quite frankly uh the prime minister got to be
00:06:17.980 saying oh now i've got a few more quarters coming i'm going to lose the advantage of the uh large
00:06:24.300 exporting cost of oil right and i haven't got a pipeline going which we're going to talk about
00:06:30.380 that in a minute yeah i don't have a pipeline going and i don't have the backdrop of that
00:06:34.620 happening so when we did our last show on the technical recession that was one of the caveats
00:06:39.340 we put on it it's gonna just watch out if this war ends and and oil plummets right where does
00:06:45.340 that leave us yeah so how do you feel about this i'm just gonna this is the you know the expert
00:06:50.140 opinion keeping the root open helps stabilize gasoline prices transportation costs and inflation
00:06:56.060 directly benefiting canadian households and businesses that sounds opposite to what we
00:07:02.300 think the effect might be because if we're not if we're not beholden to our own oil
00:07:09.260 dollars and we need the straight of her moves to subsidize this i really don't believe that
00:07:15.020 to be honest with you paul i think that no i think that it will cause a destabilization in
00:07:19.900 our economy because the price and value of our own oil is about to plummet right now this is
00:07:26.220 we're going to get into in a minute what's going to happen to the reconstruction who's going to
00:07:29.740 bear the cost how that's going to be passed down whether there are fees on the so that that's coming
00:07:34.700 up but i want to say thanks to our research team for putting up a nice powerpoint for us to follow
00:07:38.540 along and maybe what we could do is actually post that along with this episode so that you can follow
00:07:43.100 along yep uh the restoration of commercial shipping yeah yeah so all of a sudden it's back so you know
00:07:51.580 the we were starting to see the impacts it was funny i was going to order something yesterday
00:07:56.860 and it was 500 and it had a 500 shipping cost that's a crazy yeah situation for those of you
00:08:04.940 who do any shipping internationally you find that your shipping costs were starting to match your
00:08:10.860 goods costs and so we were stopping right this yeah so you know hopefully that'll go back if
00:08:17.420 i'm a manufacturer and i have global shipping challenges this one's got to be hurting me right
00:08:22.380 now well i think any petroleum byproduct uh which is an enormous amount of products that we use on
00:08:29.500 a daily basis uh i think have been drastically reduced over this the agreement puts that back
00:08:35.660 in place the partial removal of u.s sanctions on iran now you and i had a discussion about this
00:08:42.380 we'll talk about that the united states could agree to ease selected economic sanctions in
00:08:47.340 in exchange for Iranian compliance with security commitments.
00:08:50.600 And for Canada, the impact would be mixed, according to some experts.
00:08:55.300 Additional Iranian oil exports would increase global supply and lower energy prices,
00:09:02.440 but Canadian consumers and transportation companies would benefit from lower fuel costs.
00:09:07.920 But at the same time, lower oil prices reduce revenues, investment, and royalty income in Alberta
00:09:13.920 at a time where we're trying to get people interested
00:09:16.300 in building a pipeline with us.
00:09:18.060 Yeah, we're not, listen, we talk about this all the time.
00:09:21.520 We're not highly productive, especially per capita.
00:09:25.140 Having oil prices sink hurt us more
00:09:28.260 than our manufacturing increase.
00:09:30.240 So quite frankly, that's a challenge right now.
00:09:32.960 I mean, we can't deny it.
00:09:34.420 We've been slow to build pipelines.
00:09:36.280 We've had, you know, carbon discussions
00:09:38.180 that have gone on and on and on.
00:09:40.480 We have fuel emission issue and restrictions.
00:09:42.660 these are all the things that are back on the table again coming up for july 1 you know paul
00:09:47.000 i can't understand i'm sorry this is a diversion uh forgive me i can't understand how canada is
00:09:52.440 such a shipping hub such a transportation hub what the hell are we shipping transporting
00:09:59.400 and handling the logistics for we're way up here in the north yeah but suddenly it's the major
00:10:05.380 industry in ontario seems to be shipping logistics and and so important to us that
00:10:12.600 this agreement will help us because it's going to bring fuel prices down for that industry
00:10:17.680 i'm so confused what are we shipping i asked an economics professor that on a show a few
00:10:23.980 a few weeks ago and his response to me was we're shipping raw materials and and i said no i don't
00:10:30.660 think so and he said no no we're rich in raw materials we're shipping them we're storing them
00:10:34.300 I'm shipping them abroad oh I said oh okay well last I looked you know lumber no mining slow
00:10:41.640 like I you know I said I don't really understand that I said you have to we missed LNG I don't
00:10:46.820 know how much we're shipping that around the world to be honest with you yeah we were late
00:10:50.080 by like seven years but Paul I mean there are trucks and trucks and trucks on the roads in
00:10:56.200 this country I have no idea what we're shipping if we're shipping raw goods why isn't that being
00:11:01.320 reflected in our gdp right i think that's importing i really do it's my belief that that's being
00:11:07.000 imported okay and i think it's being imported because of the tariff so people avoiding the
00:11:12.120 tariff i think they're thinking of ways to actually move money around tariffs through
00:11:17.160 tariffs you know looking for uh tariffs different different nations uh the higher and the lower
00:11:23.480 tariffs the variable tariffs create flow right so if i can get to a lower tariff country i can then
00:11:30.040 shipped through there i can try to get into that country and claim it as a good produced in that
00:11:34.440 country and then i can ship it from that country to another country and i just don't i don't know
00:11:38.440 for that savvy uh no i don't think we are but i think other nations are okay i think that's why
00:11:43.000 they're barely into canada and they're trying to move things through canada just putting it in
00:11:47.000 warehouses and keeping it here which the u.s continually tells us at the kuzma table is a big
00:11:52.360 issue so it's not like that exactly please don't do that especially on the chinese front yeah so
00:11:57.800 So we hear that, Mike, we hear that quite a bit.
00:12:00.060 Sorry, thank you for that diversion.
00:12:02.280 Limits on Iranian uranium enrichment.
00:12:04.560 Iran could agree to strict limitations in this agreement on uranium enrichment levels and stockpiles.
00:12:09.980 This was one of the original reasons we went in.
00:12:12.480 They're stockpiling all this potential nuclear Armageddon.
00:12:16.920 Well, as this vote is passing in the U.S. Senate, 50 to 48,
00:12:22.200 Trump is standing up and he's saying,
00:12:23.820 we have inspections happening right now in iran are about to happen in iran they're going in
00:12:29.840 they're going to look at the uh uranium they're going to look at the nuclear capabilities
00:12:34.700 the iranians are uh i can't remember they am the negotiator you just mentioned oh uh galibov yeah
00:12:42.400 he comes up and goes no they're not and they're not coming in yet we're still negotiating right
00:12:49.420 right so he's saying one thing again the other is saying no so we still have this to and throwing
00:12:55.920 right now people say how does this affect canada oh it gives us more global security and it's going
00:13:03.160 to give us stability in our economy because we're not being threatened in the middle east
00:13:07.020 but i should point out before all of this occurred i didn't hear about iran coming after us with
00:13:13.120 nuclear weapons i'm just no no no well we're going to see it in a minute because it's uh
00:13:18.800 the introduction i think of lebanon into the equation here yeah actually created some odd
00:13:25.120 dynamics which then it became everyone was like hmm i'm not sure this is about nuclear uranium
00:13:30.800 anymore right no this is about controlling an area a territory yes so i think that's kind of
00:13:36.080 where they got sideways but this was kind of one of the points in the movu i think this was number
00:13:40.800 seven or whatever it was midway through that they brought it up but but it was the original reason
00:13:45.360 we were told that this all was taking place exactly that's why you know we went in expanded
00:13:50.160 nuclear inspections uh this would permit expanded inspections by international nuclear watchdogs
00:13:56.000 i don't think historically and i could be wrong i don't think that iran has prevented the watchdog
00:14:02.000 uh community from being in there but this apparently is meant to create a greater
00:14:08.640 transparency yes yeah and uh we'll see how that goes uh the release of foreign detainees on both
00:14:16.560 sides uh they would agree to release detained foreign nationals and prisoners held as part of
00:14:21.920 diplomatic negotiations well uh direct economic impact on canada would be limited such actions
00:14:28.480 are often viewed internationally as confidence building measures they signal a willingness to
00:14:33.760 engage diplomacy and reduce tensions up and create a more stable international environment i hate
00:14:40.000 this element of the deal i'll tell you why it's a very simple one yeah it should not have anything
00:14:46.320 to do with this uh people incarcerated should be part of another arrangement this does not need to
00:14:52.160 be part of this deal this feels to me like uh the u.s giving in uh one more time saying okay yeah you
00:14:58.560 you can have your prisoners back um you know i i get it there are this is obviously an issue or
00:15:04.340 it wouldn't have made the paper but it just feels like a separate issue to me right and can't
00:15:08.120 canadians you know uh i'm trying to think is there are there any is there anyone impacted on the
00:15:13.540 canadian side that you know i don't believe so i mean i tried to understand how i think that this
00:15:18.360 isn't like the two michaels no no no no john or anything no really this feels like an extraneous
00:15:24.400 thing it doesn't really have much to do probably won't have much impact on on canadians at all
00:15:29.440 but you know i just point and the reason that i i put it in i didn't want to miss a piece of
00:15:34.080 the arrangement but to me this just seemed like one of those add-ins that make things difficult
00:15:42.000 yeah they always throw it in i would imagine the final version of this thing this is just
00:15:47.440 decorating on the cake yeah yeah i agree with you mike it's just fine uh reduction of proxy warfare
00:15:52.880 in lebanon syria in iraq this is interesting iran would agree to reduce support for regional proxy
00:15:59.040 groups operating throughout the middle east um once again a direct impact on canadians maybe not
00:16:05.920 but definitely a very interesting addition to this mou yeah how did this show up in the negotiations
00:16:13.040 you think well this is when israel you remember as they were trying to get a peace agreement in place
00:16:18.560 israel kept going in and bombing lebanon so they'd say don't bomb iran right don't go into tyran 0.67
00:16:24.320 that's like you know you got to stay out of there and then they right away they went in after the
00:16:28.080 hezbollah and then they went into lebanon now you know it's interesting i always look at this because
00:16:33.360 i find it very interesting we we've all focused on the fact that iran is a very big nation you
00:16:40.480 know it's 92 million people it's uh more than double the size of canada at 41 million lebanon
00:16:46.640 is very small i think it's like the 36th largest economy in the world who uh ran uh something like
00:16:53.200 that i think it it's it's the top 50 i'm pretty sure yeah it does but you know it's it's interesting
00:16:58.720 it's mostly for oil right right so so when i took a look where i'm going to come to that in a minute
00:17:04.400 um lebanon's five million people that's true right and his land masses so i took a look and i said
00:17:10.000 okay i was curious because we talked a lot about land mass you know we talked about the fact that
00:17:14.640 iran couldn't be attacked because the mountains and the caves and the underground well it's
00:17:18.560 interesting because um iran is only 1.6 million square kilometers okay right canada is 9 million
00:17:28.880 square kilometers right so we're less population eight times bigger and then you go to lebanon
00:17:35.040 lebanon's 10 000 square kilometers very small very tiny yeah it's a very tiny little nation
00:17:40.320 but it became a key it's amazing how pivotal this little country right with a fairly small
00:17:47.280 population now and you take a look at it now now you go to gdp right and you think to yourself okay
00:17:53.520 um you know what are the gdp uh numbers in these countries well you know it's it's interesting
00:18:01.360 because we have a larger gdp than iran in canada oh yeah so we're we're basically in us dollars i
00:18:12.720 did it all we're about 2.81 trillion they are roughly two two trillion dollars and that's
00:18:19.440 with all the oil experts that's wild to my mind because i i envision them as a an enormous economic
00:18:26.720 yeah no they aren't as big as i thought either and quite frankly now this is interesting when
00:18:31.040 you take the per capita gdp numbers and these are all i call it ppp so they're all foreign exchange
00:18:37.200 adjusted okay right and we can look at nominal gdp but um that takes into inflation and we quite
00:18:43.840 frankly it's crazy i'll just give you an example right the difference between our foreign exchange
00:18:51.040 adjusted gdp and our uh inflation adjusted gdp is only uh 400 billion dollars oh right so
00:19:03.520 the difference between uh their exchange adjusted gdp and their inflation adjusted gdp in iran
00:19:14.320 is two trillion dollars so they have a huge inflation right the economy the dollar everything
00:19:21.540 is way out of whack so the economy is totally upside down right we've known that for since we
00:19:27.040 got into this conflict right i'll be honest with you i didn't realize that they were so upside down
00:19:31.240 in their economy right and they don't honestly they export about a hundred billion dollars so
00:19:36.120 their exports are about a hundred billion dollars their uh imports are about 84 billion this is in
00:19:42.680 iran these are 2025 numbers that have it tough to get right these are all estimates by the way so
00:19:49.160 you know we dug through the team coming into this doug and doug and doug the numbers that you know
00:19:53.960 they don't like to go through and they don't like to disclose so but we found some great numbers on
00:19:58.600 this 80 million of 80 million roughly of their exports are oil so it's almost all oil so anything
00:20:06.760 moving through their economy is almost all oil to give you an ex a comparison our exports right now
00:20:14.520 are a huge amount of oil too but it's 736 billion dollars so on an annual basis they
00:20:21.080 they are really we are really a much bigger exporter right a smaller population bigger
00:20:28.440 land mass bigger exporter and a bigger importer of course because we're around 741 billion
00:20:35.000 their importing is only 84 billion now right the secret secret sauce for them is the straight
00:20:42.040 right it's not the oil that's it that's really that's what it shows and you know quite
00:20:47.000 their gdp per capita is very low at 21 uh thousand dollars so if you look at our
00:20:53.160 canadian gdp per capita this is only currency adjusted it's about 67 okay we're honestly
00:20:59.320 68 000 so a poor nation quite frankly uh wealth distributed really in in in equally yeah and huge
00:21:07.320 inflation so just to give you a feel for but you know if you look at all these and you think to
00:21:13.160 yourself wow these are some very interesting stats for a country that was able to rebuff the united
00:21:19.000 states you know which one i didn't even get into the numbers that's my thinking is like really the
00:21:24.600 us with all due respect and and i i even i made the points to you just beforehand you know here's
00:21:31.000 how you can tell the us has not won this war and if you go through the points it's stunning to me
00:21:38.360 that such a small country was able to put up such a big fight yes it was a big fight you know what
00:21:45.000 i mean i i don't you know we were told it was a big fight i'm that's yeah that's a good point i
00:21:50.040 know what you're saying yeah there wasn't a huge loss of life in this scenario but there was an
00:21:55.320 enormous expense to the u.s we did we did go to the periphery of the country and we did send
00:22:01.640 bombs and we did have air defense half trillion dollars or they did the u.s did they had air
00:22:07.640 defense systems they had all those things there was no land incursion there was no
00:22:13.160 launch of a ground defense so it really that's as far as it went right a half trillion dollars
00:22:21.040 that's almost as much as Mr. B spent on his Netflix series but you know what I mean like
00:22:27.940 it's it that's an enormous amount of money yeah it is it is that's economy changing money yeah
00:22:36.160 so I mean that is the one thing I think that we look at here is that they
00:22:40.380 that's a really interesting point that a country smaller than canada there you go canada just saying
00:22:47.280 was able to hold their own in a scenario that the u.s was unable to manage with a partner yes with
00:22:54.900 it with a regional partner yeah so it's very interesting and quite frankly you know to cap
00:23:00.040 off just some numbers to very just for interest uh today um basically it's three cents a liter
00:23:07.380 for gas inside Iran oh wow right okay uh we're we're today 131 us per liter yeah I paid 167
00:23:16.060 I think yesterday yeah exactly so that the conversion on us so they're just to give you a
00:23:19.680 feel uh what the price okay that's a good person I appreciate that perspective because really
00:23:24.520 you think of these countries as enormous powerhouses no of potential death and destruction
00:23:30.200 but then you realize it's an completely an equal economy it's the the wealth is distributed badly
00:23:37.240 high inflation yes very little export by comparison and they held their own that's a
00:23:45.800 that's a very interesting perspective on this yeah well and i i think that's that has downstream
00:23:52.460 implications for us in canada this was interesting to me what do you feel about this is this a
00:23:58.500 reality direct u.s iran communication channels right now all of the communication between these
00:24:04.320 two countries is done through third parties in other countries pakistan is a good example they
00:24:09.700 do it out of switzerland yep uh the agreement could establish permanent diplomacy or military
00:24:15.560 communication channels between washington and tehran tehran i think i say it wrong every time
00:24:21.720 my apologies uh i think this is a good thing if they can actually pull it off because i think
00:24:29.740 these intermediaries they wash their own clothes in the same water as these deals you know there
00:24:37.200 is no way pakistan is not trying to find something by being the negotiator of this what do they need
00:24:42.660 what's our what can be avoided in miscommunication and miscalculation through direct contact
00:24:50.480 oh yeah cripes well they need peace in the region for pakistan right because they're so reliant on
00:24:56.480 iran from a number of perspectives no i can see their perspective but also when when you're the
00:25:02.640 the negotiator there is i mean your self-interest as a nation must have to be included in there
00:25:09.600 oh yeah 100 that's why they're that's why they're pulling the us to the table exactly yeah they got
00:25:14.000 to get this thing stopped capped off um do you think we'll miss miss those third party uh
00:25:21.440 analytics and negotiators no no seems seems like a clunky way to do business no
00:25:28.000 uh it is but that's the way it's in the region that's the way it's been done you know since
00:25:32.080 jimmy carter and everyone else you know turkey used to step member turkey used to step in and
00:25:36.960 be the mediator then you know pakistan got involved and you know the allegiances over the
00:25:42.000 years you know we can spend a whole show with a historian going through the number of factions
00:25:47.760 that have changed you know become friends become enemies turned again with another nation coalitions
00:25:54.080 that died coalitions that started this this this part of the world is you know the stability is
00:25:59.680 never there right um you ever been in a negotiation there's a mediator involved and you know from the
00:26:04.880 onset that mediator has an agenda oh yeah for sure well the mediator tells you how wrong you
00:26:10.160 are right the hard part about having a mediator when you go into a room good mediators tell you
00:26:14.320 i don't think your position's that strong right right and then they go into the other room and
00:26:17.920 tell the other person i don't think your position's that strong so what they're doing is they're trying
00:26:21.840 to find the weakness and the first person to crack right okay the next one reduction of attacks on
00:26:26.800 commercial shipping seems like an obvious one that might maybe could have been number two or
00:26:31.680 three on the list but uh this would provide substantial economic benefit to canada in what
00:26:39.360 way i don't know well it just frees the oil price right again just the more the more it can freely
00:26:45.440 ship through the straight the oil prices go down the argument we made earlier does that actually
00:26:51.440 have a net net benefit to canada probably doesn't i don't know i mean our shipping well we're going
00:26:56.880 to see so here's the here's the litmus test we're going to live through mike in the next two quarters
00:27:02.800 in canada are we going to see an increase in you know are we going to be saying our technical
00:27:06.640 recession isn't a real recession because we've been propped up with oil prices based on the war
00:27:12.880 yeah do we actually have the framework to stay outside of a recession if this occurs a real
00:27:17.760 recession not even a technical recession that one that you know consumers and canadians at
00:27:24.160 by and large all feel yeah um so yeah no this is a i can't be a bad thing but of obvious it's once
00:27:31.280 Once again, an obvious one, return of Iranian oil to global markets.
00:27:36.280 This could allow Iran to significantly increase oil prices over time.
00:27:41.480 Canadian drivers, transportation companies, again, would benefit airlines,
00:27:45.780 which we didn't talk about much, but it's been heavily impacted here as well,
00:27:49.660 which impacts many things.
00:27:51.420 Manufacturers would likely benefit from lower fuel prices.
00:27:54.500 However, Canada's energy sector will face reduced revenues
00:27:58.580 if global oil prices decline substantially.
00:28:01.280 And as you point out, Paul, oil is a major factor of our export and GDP.
00:28:07.140 Oh, yeah.
00:28:07.660 So this has, in my mind, pretty negative effects potentially on Canada.
00:28:11.720 Oh, yeah, definitely has negative effects.
00:28:13.680 And, you know, the real key issue that we have to think about now is are they going to put a transfer fee on everything going through the strait?
00:28:20.280 So that was on the table, off the table.
00:28:23.000 So it's now part of, you know, the negotiation that's going forward.
00:28:26.560 So are we going to see an increase in prices in our oil and gas going forward?
00:28:31.280 as a transfer fee but remembering quite frankly that transfer fee strictly goes back to Iran
00:28:37.160 so that doesn't have any economic benefit to Canada other than a cost so that's not going
00:28:42.660 to help our economy no and and also the U.S. economy I was going to say or the U.S. yeah
00:28:47.360 uh this really and and okay so we'll get to the 300 billion down the road I wonder if this is part
00:28:54.340 of that you know settlement okay you'll be able to you'll be able to charge a uh i guess a toll
00:29:01.320 yeah as you make your way through the yeah and that will be part of the 300 billion so in other
00:29:06.100 words if that does happen the u.s has negotiated on behalf of all of us a an increase in cost to
00:29:13.520 our countries yes so and not an economic benefit not at all so you know again when the price of
00:29:20.900 oil goes up in canada you know the west coast actually we lived listen we can't deny it you
00:29:27.060 know in the harper days we all benefited from the increased cost of oil and gas right you know we
00:29:34.040 were we were a rich country we were flying because you know a barrel price per barrel was you know
00:29:39.720 just below 100 we were rocking development was happening on the west coast we were all seeing
00:29:45.360 the spinoff benefits everyone was heading west to work you know manufacturing back home the auto
00:29:50.840 industry was robust all those things were happening right now we're not in that now and
00:29:56.360 quite frankly a uh a tariff or a transfer fee on oil coming through the strait just increases the
00:30:02.680 cost of our all of our manufacturing again and makes us less yes so self-sufficient would be a
00:30:11.080 better scenario for us you know kind of okay so let me take a dive off to the left on this one
00:30:16.040 if i'm yeah let's go this is the moment where you think to yourself okay we really do need to think
00:30:22.760 about our own oil it's not going to be valuable in the global marketplace yeah we don't have uh
00:30:28.760 delivery mechanisms to make it efficient and a better deal for people in other countries
00:30:33.720 the last time that we found ourselves in this scenario uh thanks to jimmy carter i believe
00:30:39.560 we pivoted really in a smart direction as a nation and we started our own oil company
00:30:45.640 a national oil company that processed shipped became internationally uh well-known and and
00:30:54.040 quite a vibrant corporation petro canada yeah here we are uh let me share some of this with you
00:31:01.640 mark carney and uh daniel smith of course i met uh in when was it september i believe
00:31:06.920 october september or october something like that for the first time and then they uh got together
00:31:13.880 and put together an mou to create a pipeline so uh the deal lowers the effective carbon price
00:31:22.140 this is so crazy for alberta to 130 a ton by 2040 instead of 2030 and still we have
00:31:31.180 no this is a major project we have no plan for this no it's not a major project at july 1st
00:31:37.660 we're going to know if it's a major project coming up well it can't be a major project
00:31:42.300 two big two big things on july 1st mike right yeah kuzma with the united states and what happens
00:31:48.420 with the pipeline yeah well kuzma i don't think anybody's going to i think that i haven't got my
00:31:52.340 invite i think they forgot about it uh the provincial government have uh said that they'd
00:31:57.500 like to see the new pipeline up and running no later than 2033 out of alberta 2034 that's eight
00:32:03.680 years eight years to get this up and running uh but there's no answers whether or not they've got
00:32:09.160 anybody private to come in and back this and let's talk about that for a second why would they
00:32:15.000 no why would they what is the appeal to coming into a country that has such strict regulation 0.53
00:32:21.040 yeah it's going to take eight years to build the thing yep it goes through indigenous lands that
00:32:26.660 have not properly been negotiated through this thing already it's a bad investment by all accounts 1.00
00:32:32.740 we'll throw it up actually they haven't even figured out a route of north through northern bc
00:32:37.620 so i was actually looking this morning trying to find if they determined a route take a look at this
00:32:42.020 map what yeah okay so we'll throw it up on the screen for the show but there's three routes
00:32:46.340 they're still looking at they don't have a route determined they don't have anyone interested so
00:32:49.940 far in building the pipeline they don't have a timeline that's reasonable but it's okay here's
00:32:54.980 the thing mike here's that i find ironic it's okay for everyone to take the summer off it's okay for
00:33:00.500 us to you know relax a little yeah right on the heels of what's happening with iran so you know
00:33:07.380 there are and the funny thing is they'll say you know what it's a good thing you know well our
00:33:12.420 prime minister came out our prime minister came out and he said it he said you know i'm happy that
00:33:16.420 there's an mou being signed yeah okay i'm happy too right i'm happy when any war ends i'm happy
00:33:22.500 right but what are the consequences of that war ending and how does it impact us and
00:33:30.100 you know it's too easy to say oh thank goodness the war ended just in time for summer vacation
00:33:36.180 yeah so what what yeah i'm with you this is interesting i think that our our parliament
00:33:41.860 needs to be working visibly yeah for canadians right now saying here's how we're going to react
00:33:47.780 Our major projects need to step up now, and we need to add oil to that because of this, this, this, and this.
00:33:53.800 Here's the economic impact this whole thing has had on us.
00:33:56.660 Here's how we're going to react, and here's our plan.
00:33:59.580 Well, so think about our earlier conversation.
00:34:02.420 Our earlier conversation is the price of oil goes down, right?
00:34:06.540 So therefore, the economic benefits we get from the West Coast, from an increased price per barrel, go away.
00:34:12.800 We're in a technical recession.
00:34:14.060 manufacturing doesn't get spurred to go forward or increase so therefore we go further into a
00:34:20.460 recession so coming out of the summer he comes back and says wow we're in a really deep recession
00:34:25.000 now yeah we're in a really deep recession because you guys went away for the summer
00:34:29.680 right hello did nothing hello created no deals wake up didn't find somebody to back the pipeline
00:34:38.140 yeah it didn't get this a major project didn't get it going didn't increase the public confidence to
00:34:44.300 make sure you're going to be an energy giant again so now so now on top of you know you just brought
00:34:50.140 up emissions indigenous all the reasons why someone's probably not going to come on come in
00:34:55.180 and actually back this pipeline the question i have mike do we want someone to come in and back
00:35:01.980 the pipeline well that's my question foreign investment in our in our resources seems to be
00:35:08.300 what we do no but i mean we're doing it in mining but it's never to our benefit but given okay so
00:35:14.780 now this is this is you know we just went through all these and we have a few more to do which we'll
00:35:18.780 get to in a minute but now we've gone down this rabbit hole i want to go down this is the major
00:35:22.780 hole i think that this drags us into yeah now that the u.s has basically retreated or you know
00:35:28.380 they're basically you've read the mou or you're reading the mou you know you heard the vote last
00:35:33.260 night in the senate he's coming home right he's gonna pull his ships out they're all gonna you
00:35:38.300 know claim whatever you know they did that they're gonna claim some type of victory we created
00:35:43.660 security in the middle east security in the middle east we have a nuclear war pact whatever iran's
00:35:49.260 pretty confidently saying you know for such a small economic engine they did amazing against
00:35:56.380 the giant right so it's you know david and goliath for all purposes in their mind so they're they're
00:36:02.860 dumping their chest and they're saying we have control of the straight one-fifth of the oil
00:36:07.100 so now which is true it's not a lot you know you can't argue that that's what happened right
00:36:11.980 so now economic stability on the energy front is gone so we don't have you know before we used to
00:36:17.740 say oh if anything happened the u.s would step in therefore you know the energy sector should be
00:36:24.060 regulated through a group of people who set the pricing for it because quite frankly there's
00:36:28.700 security and peace through us being the global leader that no longer exists anymore so therefore
00:36:35.340 energy stability is no longer present the best you could do is try to create your own 0.62
00:36:41.580 you don't have to anymore so if there's no energy stability and you're reliant on a middle eastern 0.72
00:36:46.380 country to dictate what your prices are you should disconnect from them now there's no
00:36:50.620 market left you should disconnect you say bye bye you guys go on your own you know sell you know
00:36:55.500 you're going to sell to china you're going to sell to pakistan you're going to do that you got
00:36:58.940 to go we we as an energy rich country should go on our own and say okay we're done us we'll work
00:37:04.540 with you we're removing ourselves from the buying market yeah we don't need to worry about you know
00:37:09.340 international uh oil prices anymore quite frankly because why would we we don't control it we it's
00:37:16.300 an economic factor how could you how could you stably uh transact and set a pricing market with
00:37:25.820 a person that controls one-fifth of the oil we can actually tool that around to do whatever
00:37:31.740 they want with it they can do a transfer fee a fine they can transfer anything and you'd have
00:37:35.980 to pay it and your economy would be influenced by it why would anyone do that no it's hard to
00:37:41.500 justify especially now no you wouldn't do it you wouldn't it's crazy to do it so what we should be
00:37:46.540 doing is we should be setting down going back to i said it on a number of shows we should be looking
00:37:51.900 at the old petro canada model going back to it i know albertans hated it i get it right and then
00:37:58.060 uh but now it's a different world albertans hated it but they benefited the most in recent history
00:38:05.500 during that era but there was more jobs they were taxing more they were drawing more out of
00:38:11.020 the out of uh our own resources but think about it okay so now you know think about where you're
00:38:17.180 at now a little bit and i know albertans tend not to focus on this so if iran now says okay
00:38:23.180 we're paying three cents a liter i brought that up in the show yeah right i'm gonna take the price
00:38:28.140 per barrel down i'm gonna dip it now i'm gonna throw i'm gonna throw north america into a total
00:38:35.260 global recession but we right i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna tank you right right we're gonna go for
00:38:43.100 that ride we're gonna go down to 30 a barrel for because they can run it out what do they have to
00:38:48.300 lose think about it they have nothing to lose they've honestly they have all the cards they
00:38:53.580 can ride for as long as they want right the provincial government said they'd like to see
00:38:58.780 the new pipeline up and running no later than 2034. how can we do a deal no no but that just
00:39:07.180 speaks to my point right how can we do a deal they have to do something right but but so i'm
00:39:12.460 sitting over and i ran i'm thinking those guys can't even build a pipeline in eight years don't
00:39:17.020 think about it like as bad if you're looking at as unproductive as they are quite frankly if you
00:39:21.820 said to them build a pipeline i guarantee those leaders would put a million people out on the
00:39:26.620 on on the fields putting pipeline up by hand they've been carrying the pipes across the
00:39:31.980 major project is right a major project is an inordinate amount of people from a nation are
00:39:38.780 put to work on a massive project that otherwise would not have any occurrence and at a time when
00:39:44.940 they need it the most this is let me read this to you you're going to go crazy when i read this
00:39:49.660 in a statement canadian climate institute president rick smith hire rick friend of the show
00:39:55.580 i said an agreement will put canada's target of net zero by 2015 well at a reach and to that i say
00:40:02.300 good uh ndp leader abby lewis meanwhile criticized the carney government and called the announcement
00:40:09.340 official surrender to the oil and gas lobby oh god really abby i mean all we've done is acquiesce to
00:40:17.740 virtue signaling about how we're the greatest we're going to save the planet i mean okay
00:40:24.620 so all of the opposition is out there the only the only opposition out there that really
00:40:30.460 seems to be behind getting an oil pipeline is are the conservatives and by what means i think is is
00:40:37.260 there yeah he wants to drop all the admissions he wants which is never going to happen no you're
00:40:42.380 never going to get full consensus on that all these things and he wants to sign it within 100
00:40:46.480 days i do like that though i truthfully his initiative to actually kick start it into gear
00:40:51.560 yeah within 100 days is great we're talking the fall so you know in in political terms when
00:40:57.240 someone says the fall they mean the spring yeah exactly okay frank said in the fall we will get
00:41:02.420 so if we get this done we'll start construction in the fall well let's be serious for those of
00:41:07.880 you who do any building no one starts construction on anything in the fall because we live in canada
00:41:13.880 and we have something called winter oh that's a good point yeah yeah every year and quite frankly
00:41:18.360 winter and that affects construction you say paul oh i'd like you to go to northern bc or alberta
00:41:24.360 and try to build something uh in the winter okay yeah good luck to you on that one right right so
00:41:30.520 that means the spring summer right we'll have a shot so no wonder it's going to take eight years
00:41:36.040 quite frankly it's taking us you know a year even get into ground after we agree to get into it right
00:41:43.800 yeah because we actually have to work with the okay so yeah by the way eb says as a country it's
00:41:49.140 time to stop rewarding bad behavior yeah well yeah that's his right you know uh if you if you
00:41:55.560 want to separate you know because you wanted to separate from the country if we give you the
00:42:01.560 ability to build a pipeline we're rewarding bad behavior right so we should switch to natural gas
00:42:06.960 and ev cars because that's what you know you'd like to do in bc which but the reason i illustrate
00:42:13.480 this is because ottawa can make a plan to green light a pipeline but we're we are miles and miles
00:42:21.640 from that possibility we can't even get consensus among our leaders to get to work on this
00:42:27.420 you know some virtual signaling some saying the market is not right one creating and by the way
00:42:33.760 we write more memorandums of understanding you know paul i understand everything in this deal
00:42:40.980 could we have the deal now but why do we do mous and then never get to the actual deals well an
00:42:47.740 mou when you don't have a third so you don't even have a third party at the table that wants to do
00:42:53.360 it exactly so so it's interesting because you know our offshore pipe our offshore uh oil drilling
00:42:59.140 we now uh down on the east coast have brought norway in yeah equinor to help us out a little
00:43:05.320 to increase production so which is a good thing but again we're bringing other countries in to
00:43:10.960 do what we should have done so a country like Norway who's actually created a massive wealth
00:43:15.840 fund out of their oil and gas industry when we got out of it so we're making the same twist and
00:43:21.280 turn again we're relying to another country to come in and bail us out take the funds back home
00:43:27.040 to their country treat us like a vendor take our own resource and treat us like a vendor of our own
00:43:33.280 resource and then take the wealth back to their nation so their peoples can have better better
00:43:38.880 healthcare can have better quality of living what are we doing no what are we doing at this point
00:43:45.040 we gotta kind of wake up this is a resource that we need to channel for the benefit of our own
00:43:51.360 people through pipelines that for oil that sold to other nations and sold to us back home to
00:43:57.920 decrease our price of gas and oil so we can actually manufacturing things at a cheaper price
00:44:04.000 it's it's 101 economics anyone who cannot figure that out i i really do struggle with at this point
00:44:11.120 mike you know it's interesting because you point this out and as you're talking i'm thinking about
00:44:16.160 all of the other things that occur when you do this when you just say that okay we're going to
00:44:21.200 work on this pipeline we've started our own uh we're going to do our own processing we're going
00:44:25.840 to supply our own nation with fuel oil heating oil you know industrial oils and all the products
00:44:32.960 associated with it the petroleum byproducts we're going to start to harness that ourselves
00:44:38.000 think about what that does to the world market on canada's behalf the perception of canada as
00:44:43.360 a world power starts to reignite yeah the uh people working on all of these projects are
00:44:50.320 are doing very well financially and the economy is starting to rebound because of it i don't
00:44:55.600 understand why we have to fight it so hard well the funny thing is we're going to we're going to
00:45:00.400 washington right now and we're asking for meetings and we're not getting them still
00:45:06.000 why would we we have a warehouse here avoiding tariffs on the u.s norway pulls out an investment
00:45:11.840 in caterpillar in the united states yeah i saw that right and the president calls them
00:45:16.800 to ask them to put their to for their wealth fund investment to go back into the country
00:45:22.240 so they have so much swag that they can realign those dollars and have the president call them
00:45:28.400 to talk about where the dollars are going think about that think about that and that is this
00:45:33.200 policy decision made in 1980 by the Mulroney's and by Brian Mulroney and his government that took us
00:45:40.240 out of Petro Canada right supported by the next Liberal government quite frankly so it was
00:45:45.360 disassembled by two governments they both have their fingerprints on it it's not exclusive to one
00:45:50.880 and they took us out of it and quite frankly from then on our oil and gas
00:45:56.480 uh saga has continued uh through the history of the country to this day and that's so sad that
00:46:02.960 we did that and we still cannot see that our policy decisions of today or lack of policy
00:46:10.240 decisions are driving us remember back in the 80s you'd get a stereo system you'd start with the uh
00:46:15.840 the tuner then you get the graphic equalizer right and then the the nakamichi dragon yeah
00:46:21.120 set deck i remember and and then oh wow and then you would get the best speakers and before you
00:46:26.160 knew it you had this amazing sound system and three years later you sold it for 300
00:46:31.200 uh through a classified ad that seems to be what we do every time we build something rather than
00:46:37.040 enjoying the music coming out of that stereo system for 20 years that it has a lifespan of
00:46:43.200 and making good use of it we build it up and sell it off immediately yeah as soon as we've
00:46:48.800 got something we're willing to discount it and get rid of it because we desperately need the cash
00:46:53.600 for something else yeah but why do we desperately need the cash i don't know i don't know i could
00:46:58.480 never figure out what we desperately needed it's always budgetary oh we're going to offset the
00:47:02.800 budget you know here's you know it's one of those things the books balance themselves for five
00:47:07.680 minutes yeah but yet but yet we've continually had bigger deficits so we've we've taken that
00:47:13.120 strategy and it's only drove us further into a hole right yeah hey i want to bring up mike and
00:47:18.320 it's one other thing before and i don't want to lose it yeah because quite frankly as we go through
00:47:22.960 all these items but we're almost at the end this reconstruction the 300 billion dollars
00:47:28.880 yeah that's on the table it's disturbing americans to no end well it is because they don't want to
00:47:33.920 pay it right right i'm going to say this about canada before we end the show i don't want to
00:47:39.360 pay it either and i don't want to pay a tax or a tariff or a transfer fee to pay it i'm not
00:47:46.640 interested in paying it you know we didn't participate no we didn't no we didn't advise
00:47:53.520 we didn't have anything to do with it why do i feel like we're going to get dragged into covering
00:47:58.560 the cost well and and are we gonna listen i i'm with you and i i'm going to just be so upset if
00:48:06.000 i'm sitting there and there's a podium and we're standing on the podium you know dedicating x 0.91
00:48:12.000 billion dollars to this fund because what is that group the peace uh oh the ccc the uh creepy cretin 0.90
00:48:21.360 club oh no no i'm sorry the board of peace the board of peace yeah the board of peace right 0.94
00:48:26.320 let the board of peace that we got kicked off of or we got denied entry to let uh them pony up the
00:48:34.320 money that's what it was built for right i was the three ways and let's stay out of it quite frankly
00:48:40.480 So who's going to pay for this?
00:48:41.440 The Middle East and North Africa, Europe and Eurasia and Asia and the Americas.
00:48:48.020 Great. 1.00
00:48:48.580 And let them.
00:48:49.800 Great, frankly.
00:48:50.440 If they feel that it's beneficial, I can see how a lot of those people should pay for it.
00:48:55.460 Do you think that that is the group that's going to be on the hook for it?
00:48:57.860 I think that's probably the first group that starts a discussion of where the money's coming from.
00:49:02.380 Can you imagine joining that club, how disappointed you are right now in your membership?
00:49:06.600 Oh, my God.
00:49:07.240 First of all, I thought I was just posing for a pitcher at Davos.
00:49:10.480 i didn't know i was signing up no no but but where else is the money going to come from i don't know
00:49:15.680 this americans are going to go bananas if he's he's going to pony up some money i'm sure but
00:49:20.160 he's going to come back and say i'm only ponying up like 1 30th of the money or something and the
00:49:25.680 rest of the nations are going to come to the table to rebuild iran so you bobbed iran right you went
00:49:32.080 in you made the decision to bomb iran now you're going to go back you're not i find it interesting
00:49:38.720 in the news today he's their americans are arguing about unfreezing the assets of iranians
00:49:45.040 when you told me this i thought this was stunning how much in the way of assets did they have frozen
00:49:49.840 it's 12 to 18 billion dollars frozen somewhere you know but listen to what they want to do this is
00:49:55.680 this is a really strategic move yeah this is very interesting trump is saying that they're going to
00:50:00.160 actually use the monies to buy food and medical uh equipment and and medicine for the iranians
00:50:08.720 So just ship it down from U.S. companies. 0.90
00:50:12.220 So he's going to use the money, spend it inside his own country
00:50:14.940 to help pay for some of the pittance compared to what he spent on the war.
00:50:18.800 Yeah, right.
00:50:19.320 But quite frankly, he's justifying using the money in trust.
00:50:24.800 So that money is just going to go back into the U.S. economy.
00:50:27.360 Why do I feel like that's going to be a sticking point in this whole arrangement?
00:50:30.540 That one small amount of money.
00:50:32.980 Not that it's small, but you know what I mean.
00:50:34.780 in the grand scheme for a nation the size of of iran as you see from the economy it's a big deal
00:50:41.100 it's a big deal for them and quite frankly it was their money you know and i don't know how it was
00:50:47.980 you know earned or transferred but it is their money and quite frankly uh i see what their point
00:50:53.740 is to get it back but yeah but again i i as a canadian do not want to be on the hook for any
00:50:59.020 of that i don't really have an interest in it not only that stay away from it we you know we continue
00:51:03.820 we've we've done our bit our bit quite frankly has been in the ukraine in the russian war we've
00:51:09.900 done give we've given excessive amount of money there i think that's been our contribution we
00:51:14.860 should leave it at that entering in to go to the middle east and try to fund reconstruction funds
00:51:22.220 you know let the u.s if the u.s if the u.s decides it's that important to them
00:51:28.220 they went there they started it they went to do it they should deal with it
00:51:31.580 i couldn't agree more i really do feel bad for the uh the club of creepy cretins uh the board 0.96
00:51:39.200 of peace i really do think these countries had no intention of being dragged into anything like
00:51:45.940 this maybe one or two of them i think they were trying to remember this was a time i mean israel
00:51:50.640 is on the list i should point that out but you know aside from them who really wants to go to
00:51:55.920 war who wants to pay for war that the u.s wages well and it was a time of tariffs right and so
00:52:02.160 remember when this was getting done this was right after davos remember he did this kind of on the
00:52:06.620 heels of davos when coming out of it when all those speeches i'm taxing the world every well
00:52:11.340 and mark carney was giving his big davos speech so out of this he created it people were on and
00:52:16.700 off it he was making decisions because you know yeah he was taxing the world he was creating
00:52:21.300 tariffs and you know he was standing remember the remember that on the lawn of the white house with
00:52:24.900 those boards how much everyone was going to pay and you know it was very theatrical right it was
00:52:30.240 yeah yeah and even this was a theatrical move it was so weird because you looked up at this group
00:52:35.160 of people and you went none of them have anything to do with proximity to America at all no I don't
00:52:42.880 it was hard to figure out I don't I'm sure they were trying to define what they were doing did
00:52:47.520 see them look at each other like why are we here uh okay this is uh this is a good overview of the
00:52:57.840 deal i appreciate you doing this paul because i do think that we feed ourselves a lot of nonsense
00:53:03.440 about the benefits to what's going to happen in this deal when really what we need to do is take
00:53:08.240 a i would agree with you 100 this is a moment for us to reflect and get to work get to work
00:53:14.160 like really get to work now we we this isn't when i say we let's specify because we do that a lot
00:53:20.160 here yeah we i'm not an elected official no the government government get back to work we got to
00:53:24.880 move now so it's you know not a time to be taking time off and reflecting yeah all right well look
00:53:32.480 uh subscribe to this channel and to your local channel uh and get behind what we're doing i
00:53:38.560 will point this out in the coming months you will be able to participate in our debate area you'll
00:53:43.520 be able to participate in our think tank area which we will take messages directly to the government
00:53:50.480 from that group join us become part of the group become part of our movement
00:53:55.040 and we'll see you next time thanks paul thank you
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