True Patriot Love - The Type 212CD Submarine： What Does This Mean For Canada？

00:00:00.000 Well, right now, we'd be among the very best in NATO.

00:00:03.840 Right now, once these are all online, after the United States,

00:00:08.620 the only other NATO country with this many submarines would be Turkey.

00:00:11.760 This would put us ahead of the Royal Navy and a lot of other countries in NATO.

00:00:15.880 So we become a player in the Pacific Rim and in the North Atlantic.

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00:00:40.800 Yesterday afternoon, as we record this, Prime Minister Carney announced a new leveling up of our military.

00:00:48.900 And, of course, we've been hearing that that was part of the defense strategy for our nation.

00:00:53.460 Now it's starting to come to fruition.

00:00:55.040 We're starting to see orders for procurement and understand what kind of military equipment we've got our eye on.

00:01:01.960 To talk to us more about this, our very own most knowledgeable about the military guy on the staff is Jim Lang.

00:01:08.720 How are you? Handsome son of a gun.

00:01:10.540 I'm good, Mike. Nicely played. Well done. Give me some of that.

00:01:13.460 Yeah, it was an historic day for Mark Carney.

00:01:16.120 It was the largest contract ever awarded in the history of the Canadian Armed Forces.

00:01:20.280 Now, a byproduct of that is the size of the contract with the 12 submarines involved,

00:01:26.100 but also the cost of military equipment has grown exponentially over the decades.

00:01:31.240 So these are 12 type 212 or 212 CD submarines built by TKMS of Germany.

00:01:39.840 And they are really a fascinating design.

00:01:43.220 The hulls are a diamond shape as opposed to the traditional shape that you see submarines.

00:01:47.780 or a diamond shape submarines generally have a exactly i guess an egg all rounded yes yeah sort

00:01:54.260 of bottom and this is a diamond shape it's built for extreme stealth it's extremely difficult to

00:01:59.780 find in the ocean which is good it can operate with a crew of only 28 sailors because of all

00:02:05.780 the automation and because of the use of cutting edge hydrogen fuel cells and air independent

00:02:12.500 propulsion it can stay submerged for 40 days so once it put perspective on that on average what

00:02:20.180 is a submarine with this kind of crew able to do well it's not the crew the problem is current it's

00:02:26.180 a diesel electric submarine but a new version and the current versions you can only stay submerged

00:02:31.860 for so long and then they have to surface and is that a much how much is the average uh in that

00:02:38.980 say 10 days to two weeks wow so this is a significant difference it's enormous so

00:02:44.340 because of the technology because it's so advanced and because the canadian navy has never had

00:02:50.180 anything like this they could leave halifax operate under the ice pack of the arctic circle

00:02:56.020 for weeks at a time without any problems and come back so this is a problem that canada has had for

00:03:03.060 decades that the u.s the russian and other navies could operate nuclear submarines which don't need

00:03:09.060 to surface at will under the ice pack of the arctic ocean and in sovereign waters of canada

00:03:14.600 now canada has a submarine that can do it as well what's the advantage to having a submarine

00:03:19.240 that operates diesel hydrogen with this new system as a diesel electric as opposed to

00:03:26.500 nuclear should we have maybe taken a look at nuclear subs or is it so cost prohibitive and so

00:03:31.960 little coverage with that much spend this was a better idea to me it's the cost involved it's

00:03:38.400 a technology the canadian navy has never worked with the u.s navy has been working with nuclear

00:03:44.660 powered submarines and aircraft carriers since the 1960s the british of well as well and some

00:03:51.780 other countries but especially the russians but canada's never had this we don't have anyone

00:03:56.860 trained in it we don't have it we don't have any that the knowledge or technology could we train

00:04:01.740 up to it of course anything's possible but it takes time and as the commanders of the canadian

00:04:07.200 navy are saying you know monday and halifax like we need these submarines yesterday right currently

00:04:13.220 we have a fleet of four secondhand used victoria-class submarines only one of which is

00:04:19.940 seaworthy right now and they have to macgyver these things as long as possible to the first

00:04:25.380 tranche of submarines are built at best case scenario canada would have four of these brand

00:04:31.180 new submarines in the fleet by 2034 that's the best case scenario wow because of the

00:04:37.420 the complication the difficulty the expertise in going to building these submarines it's not like

00:04:44.220 they can turn them around no they're in a few months they're not on the line someplace exactly

00:04:48.420 okay exactly and is there any sort of specialized engineering that that we are adding to this that

00:04:53.820 you can think of uh that would make it sort of a specialized build for us very much so there

00:04:59.980 there's a few things involved the the sonar technology in the old you know movies you hear

00:05:06.580 the guy exactly i hear that in my head all day long jim they have systems passive sonar that

00:05:13.020 can allow them to identify ships and submarines from great distances without any noise involved

00:05:19.620 that means the other person can't find out that someone's stalking them and how stealth are these

00:05:25.220 apparently by all accounts they are virtually impossible to discover in the water because of

00:05:32.220 the design of the hull and when it's running on the hydrogen fuel cells it's not making any noise

00:05:38.980 the problem with a nuclear reactor is they could dial it down as much as possible and go slow but

00:05:45.220 there's a hiss because it's always got the steam going so eventually you will discover the sound

00:05:51.840 of the machinery yeah but you can't with this so it'll be fascinating for the canadian how many

00:05:57.740 are we doing 12 12 in total so it'll be six in each coast right okay and where do we fit in do

00:06:04.740 you think globally with uh this technology well right now we'd be among the very best in nato

00:06:11.480 Right now, once these are all online, after the United States,

00:06:16.540 the only other NATO country with this many submarines would be Turkey.

00:06:19.680 This would put us ahead of the Royal Navy and a lot of other countries in NATO.

00:06:23.820 So we become a player in the Pacific Rim and in the North Atlantic for NATO.

00:06:30.500 And the great thing about, because Germany are building these submarines for Norway and Canada,

00:06:36.400 now there's interchange with all the crews.

00:06:39.220 so germans and canadians and norwegian sailors can all work together and train each other so by the

00:06:46.060 time these submarines are delivered the canadian sailors will have spent time in the german and

00:06:51.840 norwegian navies training on their version of these submarines to the point that it'll be a

00:06:56.860 pretty seamless transition mike that's really interesting and then the ability for and how

00:07:01.620 many subs uh will norway take i believe they're doing six okay so combined you've got 18 subs able

00:07:08.480 to of this variety and germany's doing at least nine so it'll be 27 between the three countries

00:07:14.720 so then so nato just really did a major up upgrade and overhaul really of their observance

00:07:22.680 worldwide of what's happening below the surface which is interesting to me because so much of our

00:07:28.700 undiscovered or i think a lot can happen under the surface of the water yeah it's just too easy

00:07:35.820 to uh especially for the average citizen to even comprehend how much when you say that you know

00:07:42.240 indefinitely a nuclear sub can be under the surface until they run out of food that's the

00:07:47.240 only time they have to surface i mean that's a really that's a wild oh yeah perspective on how

00:07:53.620 we protect ourselves uh over land seems like an easier game to manage as we head underwater it

00:08:00.640 seems like the world is getting better at doing this and mike what ukraine has proven to everyone

00:08:05.680 that if you're above ground they can find you with a drone yeah they can find you and destroy you

00:08:11.540 and that means a surface ship or a tank or a truck it can be discovered and destroyed but if you're

00:08:18.080 spending 40 days submerged in the ocean it's a lot harder to find you how do you think this helps our

00:08:24.620 or hinders or does it do nothing for our relationship with the u.s well it actually

00:08:30.460 helps it but the one thing the u.s like doing on their exercises is having a mixed fleet of ships

00:08:36.480 and submarines currently all the american submarines are nuclear powered so they know

00:08:41.780 that some of their future you know people their enemies the people they may go to combat with

00:08:47.900 have a mixture of nuclear and diesel electric so they like to train trying to find or escape from

00:08:53.560 diesel electric submarines so their crews know what to look for and how to look for them because

00:08:58.980 if they just work with each other that doesn't help them they may get to a point where wait a

00:09:04.560 second we're going up against an enemy who's a diesel electric running on their batteries we

00:09:09.420 can't find them because we've not trained for that so i think it helps for the americans but

00:09:14.800 more importantly helps for nato and this is a major win for mark carney and the liberals this is

00:09:19.380 there's no way that peer poly of the conservatives could criticize something they've been asking for

00:09:26.120 for years so he's taken the power away from poly there's poly if he tries to criticize what

00:09:32.580 carney's done or the decision of the armed forces or the announcement by mcginty the minister of

00:09:37.860 national defense and how they're going forward with this cutting edge never before seen in the 1.00

00:09:43.040 canadian navy he would look like an idiot so i think he's just got to shut up and take a seat 0.99

00:09:47.180 for this one i think the only blowback is going to be why aren't we building them here at home 0.99

00:09:51.180 because we've not an expert we've we can build surface ships as well as anyone on the planet

00:09:56.300 and we've proven it time and time again and we are building a world-class river

True Patriot Love - July 15, 2026

The Type 212CD Submarine： What Does This Mean For Canada？

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