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00:00:00.000 Hey everyone, welcome back to TPL. I'm Shaliza Bacchus. Don't forget to find us on every

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00:00:19.460 subscribe. And if you know anything about me, I am a certified fangirl. I love concerts,

00:00:25.480 love the concert experience but i feel like in recent years the experience has been for lack of

00:00:31.800 a better term ruined for a lot of fans and a lot of people are coming at ticket master for that so

00:00:37.640 my guy brady's here to discuss this with me today how you doing i'm doing great um well we had a

00:00:44.520 lovely guest lined up for you the owner of fan of tickets uh mr ben rispin and i got a message about

00:00:50.840 three minutes ago that said that he was violently ill so i stepped in to be the expert i am the

00:00:57.080 talking head i do not represent fan of tickets but i'm going to do my best to plug why they are

00:01:02.680 such an important thing in the world of live nations and ticket masters absolutely so where

00:01:07.480 do you want to start well okay let's just let's start with with some stats okay so live nation

00:01:13.160 entertainment they currently control what 70 of major concert promotion globally so that's pretty

00:01:18.920 much every major show every major artist who goes on tour nine times out of ten it's ticket uh live

00:01:24.700 nation rather behind them and then their subsidiary ticket master sells roughly 500 million tickets per

00:01:30.660 year worldwide so in north america alone ticket master is estimated to control 60 to 80 percent

00:01:37.100 of primary ticket sales for large venues sounds like a monopoly it is it's insane and let me just

00:01:43.120 say like i've been i've been going to concerts for for a while like for as long as i've had a credit

00:01:48.260 card to be honest and the experience of buying tickets is insane now we're talking about the

00:01:54.000 queue lines you're in like 15 000 and that's like a good number like i i remember trying to buy

00:02:00.660 bruno mars tickets like last month or the month before and i was like 15 000 in the queue and

00:02:06.580 that was me joining the queue right when the on sale time started and because bruno mars is such

00:02:11.080 a big artist and obviously from start to finish that's a great show what was the average ticket

00:02:16.160 price do you know for bruno i it wasn't actually as bad as i thought it was but it could be because

00:02:21.420 of the venue because roger's stadium which is the brand new stadium in toronto it's not going to be

00:02:25.720 around for a long time but it's going to be here for a few years and it's a much the capacity is

00:02:30.680 larger than the roger center so it wasn't terrible i mean i bought floor seats because just of the

00:02:36.660 experience in the venue that's a conversation for another day but i made about 300 bucks which

00:02:42.660 that's not bad i think isn't bad for bruno mars that's not but then i started to see the resale

00:02:47.300 prices after the fact and my tickets going for like two thousand dollars what that's the one

00:02:55.800 big problem too is that the ticket the not i know they call it scalping but at this point it's not

00:03:00.600 even scalping because it's it's an in-demand price that keeps the tickets going up so the closer

00:03:05.180 you're going to get to this uh this event if the demand for the tickets have gone up ticket master

00:03:10.700 kind of follows that and everybody kind of follows that and their tickets get more yeah why are they

00:03:14.620 doing that so that's what they call dynamic pricing yeah why is that a thing and i don't know

00:03:19.580 and i actually learned this recently artists and their team can opt out of it oh like you can choose

00:03:27.000 to just have tickets be the same price for everybody regardless of when you buy them so

00:03:32.000 we're making a list of the artists we now hate because they're not opting out of it pretty much

00:03:36.240 yeah yeah and recently ariana grande i know did that with her tour hillary duff did that with her 0.55

00:03:41.320 tour and i feel like the fan experience is just so much more accessible for people because you know

00:03:48.200 i think as artists you got to put the fans first they are spending their hard-earned money to see

00:03:53.460 you live in concert they want to experience your shows and then they're met with these cue lines

00:03:59.440 the bots like i feel like it's just humans against bots at this point and there actually is a

00:04:04.580 statistic that bots can purchase thousands of tickets within seconds of release they say about

00:04:09.580 80 70 to 80 percent of tickets are sold by the time they actually hit the market like to bots

00:04:15.560 how why is this still a thing and this has been an issue for years this isn't just a today problem

00:04:21.900 this has been an issue for years so why isn't live nation ticket master doing something about

00:04:26.900 this i feel like because they're making money why would you like as a business the last thing you

00:04:32.180 want to do at the end of your your fiscal year say hey we didn't make as much money as we did

00:04:37.960 last year so it i can see it from a company standpoint saying we have to do whatever we

00:04:42.780 can do to either keep this revenue or continue to grow this revenue right so they're never going to

00:04:47.920 stop it until they're told to stop and i know that ontario specifically they've tried to put

00:04:52.380 regulations in for some of this stuff but it's limited in how they actually you know act on it

00:04:58.380 It's very, very limited.

00:04:59.780 So the rules are there, but there's no one there to slap the hand once someone gets caught doing it or keeping an eye on it.

00:05:05.320 And that's probably just an infrastructure problem, right?

00:05:08.160 It sounds like everything in the government right now is kind of stressed out and pulled thin.

00:05:12.140 But you'd think that if you're going to sit down and kind of regulate this or want to regulate this, that you would have somebody to kind of keep an eye on it.

00:05:18.200 It seems to be just out of control.

00:05:19.940 That's what I'm saying, because that's what I was about to say.

00:05:23.240 OK, great. These regulations are in place.

00:05:25.000 I haven't seen them come into effect. I haven't seen them benefit me.

00:05:27.900 i haven't heard of anyone trying to buy tickets for any shows recently that has felt the benefits

00:05:32.780 of it it's it's funny because we could say that it's the ticket master thing but i i do a i do a

00:05:37.720 completely different show on a different network about uh ufc events and wwe events and one of the

00:05:42.960 big talking points for the past year has been how they've priced out their fans privately with their

00:05:48.540 direct ticket sales so their ticket sales for nosebleeds are 500 right for this past ufc event

00:05:54.660 in vegas which is a town that's already dying it's a miserable city so you're having a miserable

00:05:59.220 ticket price and then it just happened to be a miserable night of fights so i can only imagine

00:06:03.300 how many actual fights happened from that crowd afterwards because everybody had to spend a

00:06:07.060 mortgage payment just to get to the event to sit in the nosebleeds and then wwe's doing the same

00:06:11.540 thing they they're having trouble leading into wrestlemania which is their super bowl of each

00:06:15.060 year and their ticket sales are low right now because they're overpriced they've priced their

00:06:19.380 people out of the market so it sounds like even when you're dealing with the ticket you're dealing

00:06:24.020 directly with the venue or dealing directly with the company that you're going to go or artist and

00:06:28.580 in in this case it you're getting hosed everywhere it doesn't matter if it's going through these

00:06:34.580 these ticket chambers or if it's going through directly i think people are just greedy right now

00:06:38.900 with live events absolutely and hey i'm all for people making a quick buck hey if you're lucky

00:06:44.420 enough to get tickets at face value and you want to resell them yeah i'm sure there is someone who

00:06:49.300 will buy them and that's fine but then it's when these bots come into play and it's like how do you

00:06:54.900 know if you're if you decide to buy a resale ticket because on ticketmaster you can buy

00:06:59.300 verified resale tickets how do you know if you're purchasing them from a human or from a bot well

00:07:04.020 i don't think that at that point if you're already pulling out your wallet you're going to pay that

00:07:07.380 over price it doesn't matter if it's going to a robot or a human you've already been screwed

00:07:11.780 yeah yeah and actually i want to i want to tell you about my experience recently trying to trying

00:07:17.220 trying to buy ariana grande tickets okay tell me tell me okay let me tell you because i feel like

00:07:21.020 this is this is a very rare success story so i'm very proud of myself but i love success stories

00:07:27.140 right so okay i'm a huge fan of ariana okay i've seen her twice and she has said in interviews that

00:07:33.880 this eternal sunshine tour that is coming up will probably be the last time she tours for a while

00:07:38.660 okay stop laughing at me i'm not laughing at you i'm smiling because i find it cute it's hilarious

00:07:43.760 is i told you i'm a certified fangirl okay ariana grande is one of my favorites always has i can

00:07:48.380 barely pronounce her name the girl can sing okay seeing her live is an experience so you like by

00:07:53.660 bunny and you like ariana grande and you like bruno mars yeah okay i'm very i'm very i'm very

00:07:58.960 much a pop girly okay don't judge me so what's the success story so pre-sale was insane i was

00:08:06.700 looking through social media nobody seemed to have gotten a ticket so it's like okay does that mean

00:08:11.520 the bots all snatched these up general on sale came a couple days later same situation now this

00:08:16.720 is a very very small tour for her she is not doing a lot of stops the only canadian stop is in

00:08:22.340 montreal so she's not doing toronto she's not doing vancouver no other big cities only montreal

00:08:27.760 now she did add some extra shows so i think she's up to three shows at the bell center now in

00:08:32.020 montreal and her team actually stepped in and was like okay we don't like what's going on with this

00:08:39.460 ticket situation because fans were complaining that much it's bad and also her team as i mentioned 0.93

00:08:45.360 earlier opted out of the dynamic pricing so everything like things tickets that you think

00:08:50.060 would be like 400 were 160 even okay i remember the very first concert i went to at 14 years old

00:08:57.820 it was a hip-hop concert in guelph ontario at a venue called the trash eteria old heads would

00:09:03.340 will know that it was a very famous music venue before it burned down and i seen razelle i don't

00:09:08.760 if you've ever heard you probably haven't heard of razel he's an independent beatbox artist he was a

00:09:13.080 rapper and a beatboxer so very popular in the late 90s one of the very first viral kind of uh mp3s

00:09:20.200 on napster and limewire and all this back in the day what's that i'm joking yeah one of the music

00:09:25.240 sharing sites and um i paid ten dollars to get in there wow and i sat beside sha claire the whole

00:09:31.640 night and didn't know it was sha claire until the end of the night when he got up there because

00:09:35.160 that's the kind of environment that used to be here in canada in some of these smaller cities

00:09:40.200 if you were to fast forward now to 2026 at that same concert would be 400 to get into that venue

00:09:46.120 absolutely doesn't matter if it's a small little independent venue with a small independent artist

00:09:49.800 it seems like the second you put event right or stub hub or uh what is this seat geek and all

00:09:55.560 these things onto it these tickets become to the point where like i said you're almost paying a

00:10:00.280 mortgage payment for some of the stuff honestly honestly and i i will get to that actually actually

00:10:05.320 i found i had a little memory box that i found like when we used to get physical ticket stubs

00:10:09.800 i found tickets for rihanna beyonce justin timberlake and jay-z and you like the prices

00:10:16.680 on them were probably under 100 on all of them that's what it should be right i paid uh i don't

00:10:21.320 even know if i should admit this it was a promo thing for a company i was working for but i paid

00:10:25.000 three thousand dollars for a ringside seat i actually paid six because i had to get my uh

00:10:29.880 media partner in there as well for a ringside seat for the very first aew show at the coca-cola

00:10:35.080 center in toronto wow years ago because that's that's what had happened on ticketmaster it was

00:10:40.360 out of control by the end of covet it was just running amok it seems like it's starting to calm

00:10:45.080 down a little bit now maybe that's the people are going broke yeah but at one point it was like you

00:10:50.280 you know, a $500 ticket was up to the price of $3,000.

00:10:53.900 That's exactly, but that's still what's happening.

00:10:55.320 It is still happening.

00:10:56.160 It is still happening.

00:10:56.920 I didn't get to my success story.

00:10:58.440 I didn't get to the success part yet.

00:10:59.920 I wanted to keep the good news for the end,

00:11:01.840 but no, no, tell me.

00:11:03.280 Okay, so Ariana's team stepped in.

00:11:05.400 They said they were doing something about it.

00:11:06.760 So Ticketmaster, they actually went,

00:11:10.320 partnered with Ticketmaster

00:11:11.440 and they actually started canceling a bunch of orders

00:11:13.980 that they thought were purchased suspiciously or by bots.

00:11:17.400 And if they weren't,

00:11:18.340 the person who purchased would get an email and you'd have to just click link say no i'm a real

00:11:23.680 person i want to keep the tickets or whatever so all of these tickets got released and they were

00:11:28.980 put up for resale again again with no dynamic pricing at face value from ticket master so you

00:11:35.680 had to fill out a form with your price range all your information and the thing is with this you

00:11:41.000 wouldn't be able to choose your seats but if something became available they would give them

00:11:45.820 to you if it's within the price range that you provided and be like here you go we charged you

00:11:49.920 so don't I get an email a couple of weeks ago saying congratulations you're in you scored

00:11:56.000 tickets to Ariana Grande and I paid less than $200 each for them okay so that's good that's

00:12:02.040 my success story now you're gonna and that's gonna turn into a journey now too right going

00:12:06.060 to Montreal having a whole weekend or a night on the town that kind of a thing that's good and

00:12:10.880 that seems to be affordable let's say you can do that whole thing get back to Toronto settled in

00:12:15.060 800 bucks right right that's a that's a normal weekend for one or two people but when you're

00:12:20.180 getting to the point where you're paying 800 just for a nosebleed ticket or 800 just to be in there

00:12:26.080 now does it make sense to add another six seven hundred dollars to go to montreal no it doesn't

00:12:31.080 right it'll take you out of the event so what do we do to fix this outside of rules and regulations

00:12:36.300 like is there a law that we can pass do you think or is there something i mean i think that there

00:12:41.820 should be i think there needs to be some sort of cap on dynamic pricing i think that the promoters

00:12:46.780 and the artist team and things like that also need to step in and even when it comes to us ufc wwe

00:12:52.540 events things like that the promoters in general need to stop being so greedy because at the end

00:12:56.940 of the day you wouldn't have careers you wouldn't have shows to put on if it weren't for the fans

00:13:00.460 and if they can't afford to see you what's the point well the wwe and ufc thing is very interesting

00:13:05.980 and now zufa boxing thrown in it's all owned by the same company right there's different investors

00:13:10.620 from all over the place but it's called tko endeavor and so the wwe has merged with the ufc

00:13:16.060 and has now opened up a boxing league with uh his excellency shirky or turkey el sheik in

00:13:21.740 saudi arabia and riyadh so now you have a whole monopoly that has taken over that whole independent

00:13:27.420 kind of you know alternative sport non-team sport thing and it looks like boxing with the

00:13:32.620 ali or the ali act is supposed to get a revision in the united states which means

00:13:37.100 it's going to remove boxing sanctions right so now there's no sanctioning bodies the wbo the ring

00:13:42.780 all of these things they're all being merged into one and they're basically creating a little law

00:13:46.700 inside of their their fine print that says that boxing has to now be regulated through

00:13:52.460 a company a corporation so they're they're catering the laws towards the monopolies

00:13:58.700 so hopefully these things don't keep happening because that's just going to keep driving ticket

00:14:03.100 prices up and the only people that are going to be sitting there are people that are probably

00:14:06.740 listed in the epstein list somewhere because they're the only ones that can afford it right

00:14:10.380 like we're pricing ourselves out of entertainment there's something about either being on stage in

00:14:15.440 front of that many people or being on the floor with someone on stage in front of you there's an

00:14:20.420 energy that you get from live events you can't get anywhere else absolutely even if you don't

00:14:24.780 like the music and you're not an ariana grande i think i said it right ariana ariana grande there

00:14:29.880 you go um fangirl or fanboy you can still go to a concert of music you've never heard before and

00:14:36.180 be in that environment and fall in love with it and just fall in love with the energy even if it's

00:14:39.580 not your cup of tea but if they keep overpricing this stuff you're not going to have that that

00:14:44.500 beauty that element that uh i guess soul recharge that you can get from music and people that's

00:14:50.320 exactly it and even with events like like music festivals like the oceaga festival here in canada

00:14:55.840 also happening in montreal the ticket prices for that are insane uh coachella in california it's

00:15:02.160 not i got to go to coachella right before covid and i'm comparing the prices of what we paid for

00:15:07.600 a three-day pass compared to now it is insane i think it was 700 usd back then for three days and

00:15:14.640 i got to see both ariana grande and bad buddy let me tell you that's why i wish our guest wasn't 0.94

00:15:19.680 sick because or sick because he's an expert in coachella he's been down there numerous times he

00:15:24.640 gets invited every year he does a bit of the promoting with them and helping out and i think

00:15:28.800 he's i don't want to put words in his mouth but i think he's kind of under the same feeling where

00:15:32.240 he's like this is getting to the point where this is ludicrous we're not getting actual music fans

00:15:36.320 anymore we're getting nepo babies and stuff we're getting fire festival people yeah uh let's talk

00:15:43.280 about that for a second i know that that's been beat like a dead horse but fire festival when you

00:15:48.400 start over pricing these things and you make them look like luxuries you just run into eating a

00:15:52.480 cheese sandwich in a hurricane on an island a 13 cheese sandwich 13 cheese sandwich in a bottle of

00:15:58.240 water if you're lucky if you were lucky does if this keeps going in that direction does everything

00:16:03.200 just turn into fire festival people are going to just not show up i think so i think so honestly i

00:16:08.720 think that's where we're headed and then again the fandom suffers people who are genuine fans of

00:16:13.920 whatever the event is don't get to experience it yeah you're you're watching it through a screen

00:16:18.880 really you're seeing all these content creators influencers get to go and also that's another

00:16:23.700 thing a lot of these companies a lot of major companies are paying for tickets paying for

00:16:27.560 box seats and sending sending their people right yeah right so then we get to see the experience

00:16:32.700 through tiktok instead of actually getting to experience it ourselves is that something we

00:16:38.380 should almost stick them with though should we just be like you know what no more tickets we're

00:16:41.660 going to get our entertainment for the next couple years just by a screen and you guys can deal with

00:16:45.920 the results of going bankrupt on some of these harebrained schemes that you're doing to continue

00:16:51.320 to keep making money and pricing people out of the market? Or do we just rely on things like

00:16:56.100 Fanta tickets? Maybe we go and take a step back. We love the Ariana Grande's from afar, right? And

00:17:03.200 support our local independent scenes, support our tribute band, support like the local artists that

00:17:08.140 are growing in your area. Maybe it's time to kind of take a look instead of going to ticketmaster.ca

00:17:12.960 and seeing what the new events are you go to something like a fan of tickets or one of these

00:17:16.700 other alternative independent ticket places and see what artists are coming in because you're

00:17:20.840 still going to get things like monster truck and all of these big bands these big canadian bands

00:17:26.020 that may not be in the top 40 they may not be at the junos anymore but they're still out there the

00:17:31.060 anvils of the worlds the the these heavy metal bands these hair bands these guys are still touring

00:17:36.120 and they're doing it now you know i think that brings up an interesting point though because i

00:17:40.400 think some people might be afraid to purchase things outside of what they know is verified so

00:17:45.680 tell me about fana tickets and how it works well i'm not a representative and i know i know as much

00:17:50.340 as i know that when you go to fana tickets not only do you see a cheaper ticket than you normally

00:17:55.380 would see your brain starts to go well why is it cheap is it should i not be trusting it obviously

00:18:00.180 their ticket purchasing is going to go through a secure network so most things like have the

00:18:04.700 shopify or whatever they're they're using as their processing so i know that will be secure

00:18:08.740 but they they've uh from basically downtown toronto all the way to the rest of southern

00:18:14.800 ontario these major cities they use these guys because they're not taking that much money off

00:18:21.320 of the artists for the ticket sale and processing it and they're not taking that much money off of

00:18:25.020 the venue either so if they're making a let's say under a dollar and two let's just be safe

00:18:31.140 if event if a ticket is being sold whether it's 500 or it's 5 000 and the processing fee for that

00:18:37.040 is two or three dollars right the artist has more money to eat the venue has more money to eat

00:18:45.140 and the ticket provider is just getting what they should be getting which is processing fees and

00:18:51.600 that's it you should not be paying seven thousand dollars for a front row ticket because the

00:18:57.160 processing fees or the dynamic pricing fees are 90 of that yeah i also think there needs to be

00:19:04.480 some sort of transparency with these service fees as well because i've noticed they've gone up

00:19:08.600 significantly but so does our hydro bill that i mean you can't just put carbon tax on the side

00:19:14.460 then charge me seven thousand dollars for hydro up northern ontario that doesn't make any sense

00:19:18.820 just because you put it on the bill doesn't mean that you're right there needs to be more

00:19:22.260 transparency why am i being charged more carbon tax than somebody else down the road explain this

00:19:26.860 to me in my bill yeah like please where does this where does this money go what is it for so shaliza

00:19:31.400 let's say in a perfect world we wipe out ticket master and live nation as much as i've dealt with

00:19:36.360 some guys from live nation they're a very nice crew they don't control their back end and they're

00:19:39.960 not the owners of the company so anybody working for these companies we're not we're not shooting

00:19:43.840 you down go earn your money and do your job but i don't think their salaries really are conditioned

00:19:48.880 off of seven thousand dollar over scalping ticket prices so i'm not trying to bury them but what do

00:19:53.900 we do do we just wipe out these guys and just go the fan fan of ticket road and the independent

00:19:58.460 ticket route from now on i mean i think in a perfect world that is what we'd love to do

00:20:03.020 but you know ariana that i know ariana but also again the stakes that live nation and ticket 1.00

00:20:13.340 master hold is basically almost all of it right so again how do we get around them when they still

00:20:20.860 control so much of it and how does fan a site like fan of tickets actually acquire those tickets

00:20:29.260 doesn't it have to go through live nation or ticket master in the first place no i think the

00:20:33.020 artists and the promoters and the managers will go directly through fan tickets and because they

00:20:37.020 they're a team of very trusted artists that have been around for a very long time not only are some

00:20:41.500 of them the artists themselves and part of very successful bands and things like that they're they

00:20:47.740 know what they're doing because they've been around the industry and media and promotions for a very

00:20:51.500 long time not only is that built off of relationships with artists it's built off relationships with

00:20:55.500 venues but after a couple years of doing that the system will run itself and people will trust it

00:21:00.300 right like and they've been pretty successful i think that they started as an alternative just

00:21:04.620 because they wanted to get out of this system right this spider web of chaos that seems to be

00:21:10.380 happening and then it just turned into a really the more they did it and the more they applied it

00:21:14.460 the better of an idea it became and now pretty much every time i get an invite somewhere in

00:21:19.660 ontario for an event or bc or anywhere in canada in a major city it either says ticket master or

00:21:25.740 fan of tickets underneath it right so um the other thing that they do and i i really think that even

00:21:31.260 ticket master could maybe benefit from some of this is when they have a new artist coming in

00:21:36.140 they sit down and do interviews with them there's almost a media side to this so then they'll they'll

00:21:39.900 promote the artist they'll sit down and do like a bit of a press tour with them that helps move the

00:21:45.020 tickets right absolutely it helps more so for independent artists maybe you don't know who they

00:21:48.780 are and you kind of get their life story through that but i think it would even help with ticket

00:21:52.140 master for saying here's a five thousand dollar ticket price um by the way here's your artist and

00:21:57.660 bruno mars grew up in a small town and such and such that may help push it it does seem to work

00:22:02.940 for things like fana tickets it also makes me interested in artists if i don't know who they

00:22:06.220 are right so so then i think maybe then it needs to be shifted to the teams the actual artist teams

00:22:12.840 they need to be open to promoting outside of live nation and again maybe teams need to be more

00:22:19.960 vigilant like ariana grande's team noticing how angry fans are noticing what's happening and

00:22:25.260 jumping in and doing something about it because while maybe this didn't satisfy fans 100 100

00:22:29.960 i still got the tickets at face value yeah so i'm happy i'm happy you got those tickets because

00:22:35.840 sounds like i can see it every time you say her name or correct my correct me on her name your

00:22:40.080 eyes light up you're just like the best ever listen when you're a fan you're a fan so i'll

00:22:45.760 tell you a little story years ago i used to do a lot of uh middleman promoting i would so you'll

00:22:51.360 find a lot of independent promoters especially in the hip-hop world in the mid-2000s they were

00:22:55.920 very fanboyish they just wanted to say i booked a show with royce the five nine or icp or tech nine

00:23:03.280 and i'll use tech nine and icp as an example so when i would book some of those tours across

00:23:09.760 canada for some of these guys and set this up we would use ticket master and event braid and

00:23:14.320 a couple other places um to distribute these but they never had their hands in it like this

00:23:19.360 if we said it was a 60 ticket flat rate that's what the ticket were and we were in nightclubs

00:23:24.320 we were in stadiums right but they they got their their processing fee but that came from us the

00:23:30.000 promoter side it never went out of the artist's pocket the the artist got the direct money from

00:23:34.640 us we just said right so in icp at the time it was like you know a ten thousand dollar deposit

00:23:40.080 another fifteen thousand show so they've made their 25 grand they're already counting that

00:23:45.040 money before they even put the makeup on their face before they're going on the stage so they've

00:23:48.720 gotten their money and ticket master has gotten their money because anybody who would have done

00:23:52.080 it digitally would have gotten the processing fees would have been taken by ticket master

00:23:56.720 then i went away and left this that world for about two or three years and i came back and i

00:24:01.280 noticed that the whole system has changed if i wanted to apply ticketmaster into that same

00:24:05.520 setting that same kind of avenue they have full total control on what the tickets are doing what

00:24:12.000 they're being sold that i could always control scalping yeah i can't control the guy on the

00:24:16.000 side of the street saying tickets here tickets get your tickets i can't control him but i can

00:24:20.640 control the digital side of it sounds like this is out of control absolutely that's that's exactly

00:24:26.080 the way to put it and i really do think some sort of regulation needs to come into place

00:24:31.520 and i think we just at the end of the day need to put the fans first or maybe if you're a promoter

00:24:36.240 go that maybe go back to the 2015 routing before which was get a hold of the artist uh you have ita

00:24:42.640 which is international international talent agency based out of vancouver um i know that you can call

00:24:47.680 them they're available you can get their info online call them ask them what their artists are

00:24:51.280 what the roster is because they'll get you anybody from snoop dog to wiz khalifa to ariana ariana

00:24:56.560 there you go ariana grande there you go and you'll pay them directly there you go it may cost you a

00:25:01.680 couple more bucks on the back end but now you know that this isn't a thing exactly exactly so there

00:25:07.520 are options it's just are we willing to take advantage of them well you either got to pull

00:25:12.880 your money out and play with the big boys and take the hit if it happens there's acts of god

00:25:17.360 i've had blizzards happen where i i look around the room and there's 15 people in a 5 000 person

00:25:21.760 venue and you're like i still gotta pay the artist damn it right well i remember ob trace uh in 0.56

00:25:28.320 oshawa once for an event about 10 years ago actually 15 years ago now it was a snowstorm

00:25:34.320 no one showed up in oshawa because obviously oshawa is all farm towns and ajax and surrounding

00:25:38.800 not anymore it was it was it's a nice downtown core people give oshawa crap all the time i 0.83

00:25:44.480 i actually like oshawa it's a beautiful little city but uh nobody nobody showed up right and

00:25:49.560 i'm just looking at him and i just felt so bad for him like you drove all the way from detroit

00:25:53.120 for this but you still got to pay them you still gotta go through it that doesn't happen all the

00:25:57.060 time so maybe take the risk pull out your wallet deal with the artist directly and do that you

00:26:02.100 know through the independent route try and make shift some sort of new hybrid of independency if

00:26:06.380 you can like i said i've already given you the avenues to get a hold of the people now you just

00:26:10.460 got the little cheat code get a hold of ita and find out what the roster is and pull your wallet

00:26:14.860 out this will stop this that's if you're a promoter as an artist i think maybe some of them

00:26:20.180 should take a step back and say we don't want any of this dynamic pricing that seems to fix it

00:26:24.320 but as a country and a province i don't have an answer for that you can make as many rules as you

00:26:31.220 want if you don't enforce them what are the rules right that's exactly it's meant to be broken at

00:26:34.800 that point yeah so what is your suggestion to fix this do you have an overall nutshell suggestion

00:26:40.360 on how to get this done well in all honesty like you said there's only so far that rules and

00:26:45.380 regulations can go they have to be enforced but i really do think that this not only gives money

00:26:52.680 to the promoter the venue the artist this can also be a tourism thing right for example ariana

00:26:58.380 grande the only show she's playing in canada is in montreal so you're going to have people from

00:27:02.260 across the country traveling to montreal three shows exactly that will boost montreal's economy

00:27:06.880 their tourism so you need to focus on that as well going to a concert going to a match whatever

00:27:13.040 the case is it's a whole experience most of the time people aren't just going to the venue and

00:27:17.300 going home they're doing something in the city they're getting dinner airbnbs exactly traveling

00:27:22.140 around so that contributes to the tourism the economy of that particular city and the province

00:27:28.480 on the whole so i think we need to look at the whole concert experience and realize that okay

00:27:33.180 if this concert if this show is more accessible to someone they are more likely to come to that

00:27:38.580 venue spend money around contribute to the economy in that city in that province and then i think it's

00:27:44.620 a win for everybody because if they can feel like it's affordable then they'll do it they'll spend

00:27:49.620 the money what's your who's your favorite independent artist right now oh that if they

00:27:54.320 came into the town or wherever you're watching this if you see them on the list of uh people

00:27:59.240 coming into the city who's the one that they should go see uh i don't know if he's independent

00:28:04.400 anymore because he just won some grammys but leon thomas i think i've never heard of leon thomas

00:28:08.940 there you go r&b artist very underrated he's been doing this for such a long time funny enough he

00:28:14.440 actually is connected to ariana grande because he used to be on victorious with her he is funny

00:28:21.440 enough that that's just a coincidence but very very talented r&b artist producer he's actually

00:28:26.400 going to be opening for bruno mars okay so if you are going to the bruno mars show don't miss the

00:28:31.040 i love no mars he's amazing fantastic i'm excited yeah and i've never checked out a full bruno mars

00:28:36.480 catalog but i i do have to put that in the list because there you go that kid has talent like

00:28:41.200 crazy so talented so i'm excited i've actually never seen him live this will be my first time

00:28:45.520 seeing him well i think he's he's like a nowadays michael yeah right nobody's as talented as michael

00:28:51.040 but he's he's as close as we're gonna get so and he's he's so small and fun and i think it'll be

00:28:56.500 fun so yeah she's talking about me yeah small and fun well thanks aliza for having me thank you

00:29:03.080 hopefully we got to a little bit of the bottom of this i think that the government needs to step in

00:29:07.480 shut this down if i was to pick an independent artist to go see it's been the same one i've

00:29:11.580 said his name numerous times for this episode go see tech nine you will not be disappointed when

00:29:16.760 you see a Chris Coleco and Tech N9ne show. Love that. Brady, thank you. Let me know if you're

00:29:21.300 going to be at the Bruno Mars concert at the Roger Stadium in Toronto. I'll see you in Montreal for

00:29:25.640 Ariana Grande. Maybe, maybe it'll be fun. So, and so like, comment, subscribe, follow us on TPL

00:29:31.740 Media on all platforms. And we're here for the concerts this summer. My wallet might be suffering,

00:29:37.420 but it's a good time.

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