True Patriot Love - June 28, 2026


TPL Crime Update： Gun-for-Hire Networks & Canada's Bail Reform

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Shara Micucci Mike Wixson
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On this week's Crime Update, Chief Mark Pana talks about the tragic shooting of two people in the city's west end, and the ongoing search for a suspect who may have been involved. Also, a manhunt is on the loose for an armed and dangerous suspect who police believe may have shot and injured two people near his elementary school. Finally, a large coyote has been sighted in the area, and there's a report of a large dog with a bloody face.

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00:00:00 why why are we these young people doing this you know who are they who's their family who
00:00:06 are their connections what are what is prompting them to take these actions i i'd like to know
00:00:11 because quite frankly there's got to be a reason well whether it's psychological whether it's
00:00:15 social or whether it's criminal like i think we just to say that it happened i guess mike where
00:00:20 my frustration is coming a little bit i i don't want to do that anymore i don't think the public
00:00:25 wants to hear that anymore they want to hear okay why is this happening who prompted them to do it
00:00:31 why did they do where did they get the gun again where are the guns coming from
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00:01:30 This is our crime update.
00:01:32 We do it every week.
00:01:34 And joining me, as he does, to talk about that, Paul Micucci.
00:01:37 Thanks, Paul.
00:01:37 I'm ready, Mike.
00:01:38 I woke up this morning, and I was raring to go.
00:01:41 My son, my youngest one, is actually starting summer school.
00:01:47 I should point out, when you say that, generally speaking,
00:01:51 people are like oh he's he struggles no he's advancing himself these kids so we jump in the
00:01:57 car and we actually head to school and i get a call from the office here and they say you're
00:02:03 late for a conference call which i missed for some reason uh it's early in the march it's like eight
00:02:08 o'clock so i'm i'm in the car and i'm rolling along i'm on this conference call i get to the
00:02:14 school and i wave goodbye and just as i wave goodbye i remembered and it just hit me because
00:02:19 i look forward in the car and there's a bunch of cruisers and there's one of those investigation
00:02:24 units the the motor homes that they set up uh and i remember the news from late last night that in
00:02:30 my neighborhood a gentleman actually shot two people and he's on the run armed and dangerous
00:02:35 right beside my kid's school so so anyways you're on a conference call so i'm on a conference call
00:02:43 he's be lying across to the football field to meet his buddies probably you know to do whatever
00:02:48 and quite frankly he's not heading into the school so i said to my wife i put it on mute i
00:02:52 say do me a favor go get him get him in the bloody school right so you know what what a start to the
00:02:59 morning that is a that's startling right it's scary and the the whole drive for the next six
00:03:05 blocks was barricaded off with cruisers trying to triangulate this person who's now uh armed
00:03:12 and dangerous moving in this community and he shot two people last night shot two people they're in
00:03:16 a critical condition so let's uh hope for them ah yeah and uh the police uh catch the guy in
00:03:22 the neighborhood yeah did you check the garage before you left yeah well you know it's funny i
00:03:26 was out this morning doing some things and it did come across my mind the only thing i came across 0.81
00:03:30 was a bloody coyote who was as big as a freaking uh husky uh running through my front yard i don't 0.79
00:03:37 know where these coyotes are coming from a story for another day but indeed are they getting bigger 0.94
00:03:42 or are they getting bigger well i've heard estimates of 50 000 plus in the gta in the way
00:03:47 of population there's got to be and this thing looks like a large dog like this is not a small
00:03:52 animal and it's coming straight through literally i'm standing there and it's coming straight through
00:03:56 my front yard at full clip yeah it's uh every day more and more sightings and people like right at
00:04:01 their front doors and stuff they're yeah they're getting less afraid of humans and interacting
00:04:06 more isn't working well i'm glad you you know what two close misses this morning i'm glad you're here
00:04:11 Yeah, thank you.
00:04:12 Story number one, Toronto police linked dozens of shootings
00:04:15 to multi-layered gun for hire network.
00:04:19 You know, we caught sort of a glimpse of this discussion last week
00:04:23 after the tragic shooting of Constable Mark Pinazato.
00:04:29 And now as they go deeper into this, chief of police saying,
00:04:35 yes, in fact, this is a gun for hire network that focuses on using youth.
00:04:38 right and they're communicating them with them through a social email whatsapp app and uh quite
00:04:46 frankly it's it's a little crazy because he uh you know police chief demke who i'm a fan of i
00:04:51 said in other shows i'm like okay we're trying to figure out who is behind this and i'm like okay
00:04:58 you have all their social now right you must be able to track somewhere where these messages are
00:05:04 coming from and where the where the monies are being sent to pay them and and so now i'm gonna
00:05:10 make okay there's got to be a there's got to be a link here and how fast do we move because this
00:05:15 has to be with everything going on in vancouver and toronto right now this has to be like number
00:05:22 one or up there in the priority list it's got to be okay we need to cap this because we don't know
00:05:26 how big this is and how many communications is it like how many people is this how big is the
00:05:31 message these people are trying to deliver at a time where we have mass crowds from around the
00:05:36 world and at these games well are you following this ufc story that's breaking actually this
00:05:42 morning in the u.s no so so this is crazy remember uh freedom 250 you know the ufc 250 right so you
00:05:50 know they barricaded these people in a park and had them watch the the game on the screen okay
00:05:55 right there was uh there are uh a group that was trying to uh basically that had snipers and a plan
00:06:04 to rush the white house and everything and they arrested them this morning it was all over the
00:06:09 news in the u.s i did see a glimpse of that yeah yeah and i'm like wow this is crazy like that's
00:06:14 a crazy story and they they wanted to get the crowd rolling uh towards the sniper group that
00:06:20 they had set up in the park to start shooting certain people and then move towards the white
00:06:26 house so they wanted to cause a disruption have everyone stampede in a certain way strategically
00:06:31 shoot people with the snipers and then move towards the white house this is and they're
00:06:35 I think they've got now six or eight people arrested well so when I'm listening to this
00:06:41 I'm like okay make that connection yeah I'm trying to figure out like you know how bad are
00:06:46 these stories we're hearing right now 27 separate incidents thought to be executed through this
00:06:53 network and now if you had this network of ready to shoot individuals you probably would test them
00:07:01 out in a couple of places that sent a message before you actually executed what you wanted
00:07:06 to do with them because i mean 27 separate incidents i'm i'm gonna say we've only got
00:07:11 two of the people so far that are in this
00:07:13 network. Right. That could be
00:07:15 fairly expansive. This is scary
00:07:17 stuff. It's very frightening. Very scary stuff.
00:07:19 Next one on the docket today.
00:07:22 Kind of related.
00:07:24 See if we make a connection here.
00:07:25 Saskatoon guns and gangs investigation.
00:07:28 Youth charged after
00:07:29 a shooting. Saskatoon police say that their guns and
00:07:31 gangs unit is charged at youth following
00:07:33 an investigation into a shooting in the
00:07:35 Fairlight Drive area. The case
00:07:37 adds to ongoing concerns about youth involvement
00:07:39 and violent crime and repeat firearm incidents in canadian cities and where they're sourcing
00:07:45 their inspiration and firearms so once again police in saskatoon yeah facing similar frightening
00:07:53 moments yeah again you know the on the last show we went into it the who what why where how so
00:08:00 that's where i'm kind of i want to break it down now when you hear these incidents why why are
00:08:06 were these young people doing this you know who are they who's their family who are their connections
00:08:12 what are what is prompting them to take these actions i i'd like to know because quite frankly
00:08:16 there's got to be a reason well whether it's psychological whether it's social or whether
00:08:21 it's criminal like i think we just to say that it happened i guess mike where my frustration is
00:08:26 coming a little bit i i don't want to do that anymore i don't think the public wants to hear
00:08:30 that anymore they want to hear okay why is this happening who prompted them to do it why did they
00:08:36 do where did they get the gun again where are the guns coming from this is the thing it's so wild
00:08:42 to me they're recruited through encrypted messaging apps yeah how do you recruit how i need to
00:08:48 understand how are you doing this like what do you why do i get on an encrypted messaging app
00:08:53 like why all of a sudden do i actually find myself in front of a computer on a map and then i action
00:09:00 it how's your headspace as a youth to receive a gun okay what's the process we're gonna set we're
00:09:07 gonna mail you a gun yeah go find a gun at learn to shoot it go online and read this do you already
00:09:12 have a gun like how like what's the process here to recruit i think it's important that we find this
00:09:17 out yeah we got to break these down i think it just you know just reporting them in 30 seconds
00:09:22 and never saying oh that's too bad and going on never hearing about it again i will tell you that
00:09:26 We reached out to Toronto Police Service this week.
00:09:29 I think they're very busy this week, of course.
00:09:31 They've got pretty major things going on here in the city.
00:09:35 But they did contact me back and say,
00:09:38 we'll have a conversation about this.
00:09:39 Maybe I'll be able to find out
00:09:40 if they have any more detailed connectivity.
00:09:44 Is this an act of terrorism?
00:09:47 Is this a foreign body?
00:09:48 Is this somebody from within?
00:09:50 Is this cartel-related?
00:09:52 Where is the inspiration coming from?
00:09:54 and why are the youth being able to accept it and act on it?
00:10:00 Story three today,
00:10:01 OPP sees over 40,000 kilograms of contraband tobacco in Six Nations.
00:10:06 Now, I know people, you're out there buying your cheap smokes.
00:10:08 Don't look at me like you're not.
00:10:10 This broke on June 17th.
00:10:11 The OPP and Six Nations Police, CBSA, and other agencies
00:10:18 described this as a large-scale illegal tobacco manufacturing operations
00:10:23 that took place on Six Nations territory.
00:10:26 40,000 kilograms of contraband tobacco,
00:10:28 300 kilograms of shisha tobacco.
00:10:31 Anybody?
00:10:32 Shisha tobacco?
00:10:33 What is that? 1.00
00:10:35 He's smoking in a pipe, like a hygge pipe. 1.00
00:10:37 So shisha, you go to clubs now. 1.00
00:10:40 They're after-hour clubs. 0.93
00:10:41 Oh, okay.
00:10:42 Not that I do it.
00:10:43 Oh, I know what you're talking about in the water pipes.
00:10:45 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:10:46 It's a whole strategy, and you've got to be good at it 1.00
00:10:50 to get a good shisha. 1.00
00:10:51 Oh, well, I'm going to work hard at it.
00:10:53 The estimated street value of the tobacco was about $10 million.
00:10:56 Now, here's what's interesting, Paul. 1.00
00:10:58 This is a non-Indigenous criminal network. 0.98
00:11:01 They knew this going in. 0.99
00:11:03 So they are doing this, and they're operating on the territory.
00:11:09 So it behooved the Six Nations police and OPP to take care of this
00:11:16 because it's impeding proper granted business
00:11:20 of the indigenous community.
00:11:22 It's, you know, it's not safety marked in any way. 1.00
00:11:26 The operation photos that I saw,
00:11:28 I mean, it looked like my dad's basement
00:11:30 before he finished it when I was a kid,
00:11:32 that they were packing these smokes. 1.00
00:11:36 But the fact that it's a non-indigenous criminal network 1.00
00:11:39 operating the territory, 0.98
00:11:41 like, it funnels money away from the indigenous community 0.96
00:11:45 into the crime community.
00:11:46 uh anyway canada border services agency got involved in the investigation and have ramped
00:11:53 it up to see where the connection to distribution is and they're finding that out now well let's hope
00:11:58 because it again you know you hear so many issues in the indigenous world uh that require funding 0.76
00:12:05 right now we're hearing water issues again we're hearing a bunch of just disheartening things that
00:12:10 i thought we'd gotten past you know as far as living conditions and quite frankly you know 0.98
00:12:16 to have the monies not go back to the indigenous people in the proper way right yes it's and you
00:12:21 know seriously bad it's so funny because uh you know we say okay it was a cigarette manufacturing
00:12:27 opportunity or whatever tobacco but that's a major historical and uh cultural element of the
00:12:35 indigenous community they've dealt tobacco yeah to their own community for for many many years
00:12:42 This one's interesting.
00:12:43 Try to unravel this one for me if you can, Paul, okay?
00:12:46 Okay, got it.
00:12:47 Four individuals charged after an extensive $48 million fraud investigation.
00:12:51 The Waterloo Regional Police has laid charges against four individuals
00:12:54 following a lengthy investigation into an alleged fraud scheme
00:12:57 involving firearms, ammunition distribution,
00:13:01 and the investigators allege that the accused used a network of companies
00:13:06 and financial transactions to defraud investors, lenders,
00:13:09 and business partners of approximately $48 million,
00:13:14 making it the largest financial crime investigation
00:13:17 in the region's history.
00:13:18 Waterloo.
00:13:19 What's going on up there?
00:13:20 Once a high-tech hub and now, quite frankly,
00:13:24 home of BlackBerry and all the legendary tech companies.
00:13:28 Now you've got this group of individuals,
00:13:30 white-collar crime, firearms and ammunition distribution business.
00:13:35 I'm thinking, wow, so okay,
00:13:36 so i guess they go get people to invest in it because they're going to bring guns and ammunition
00:13:41 and distribute them across the nation you know they have a business plan they go out they issue
00:13:46 here's the crazy thing they issue 20 000 fraudulent invoices wow so you know oh my god i've sold this
00:13:54 you know so here are all these invoices 20 000 so they're saying to the lenders we've got all
00:13:58 this incoming revenue yeah here's our sales sheets here's the money we're making quite frankly
00:14:04 it's not there uh huge losses so 48 minutes so they do this to the tune of 48 million in losses
00:14:12 so they make fictitious books i guess they claim itc's from the government they uh you know file
00:14:18 bankruptcies you know all this stuff anyways they get away with 48 million dollars what will happen
00:14:25 of it you know it's white collar crime you know we talk about you know just blue collar crime quite
00:14:32 a bit on the show and whatever but white collar crime it's even worse very seldomly does anyone 0.52
00:14:37 get any uh sentencing or anything of any uh material amount while they have peeled through
00:14:42 48 million dollars of investor money well and i you know it's sort of uh coming out of covet i i was
00:14:49 not involved but one of my good friends uh was uh part of an investment structure that had a housing
00:14:55 business thank goodness i didn't put any money into it but it turned out to be bogus quite frankly
00:15:01 and there was someone running and took their money
00:15:03 and it was millions and millions of dollars.
00:15:07 And the interesting part is the gentleman's actually resurged
00:15:10 and he's actually back who took the money
00:15:12 and he's back building again.
00:15:14 Unbelievable.
00:15:15 Yeah, so he goes to show you sort of what happens
00:15:17 on some of these cases.
00:15:18 The bigger the crime, white-collar crime,
00:15:21 the better off you are, it seems as well.
00:15:24 Yeah, too big to kill, right?
00:15:26 And so quite frankly, a lot of times
00:15:27 these things just resurge back again.
00:15:29 but it's disappointing for all those people in waterloo that thought that this was a good business
00:15:33 plan and back because it does take your faith away and you know investing money and it's hard enough
00:15:39 nowadays you know you put your money into the stock market you put your money into all these
00:15:42 different structures and you know you're you're losing it because the market's going up and down
00:15:48 like a yo-yo based on the next you know conversation that donald trump has with someone in a foreign
00:15:53 land right you know so where do you take your money you try to put it somewhere where there's
00:15:56 a business you can see you put into business you can see and this happens right yeah and you know
00:16:01 to the people who are uh anti-guns and ammunition rest assured 48 million dollars worth of nothing
00:16:07 occurred in the guns and ammunition business in waterloo now look like it uh this week i think
00:16:13 the biggest uh fish to fry in canada has been something that has been on the brew in our minds
00:16:20 for a long time i think that we held the government accountable long enough to see this happen and
00:16:25 And I'm delighted to see that it has happened.
00:16:28 But it looks like we are actually getting bail reform in Canada
00:16:32 that might make us all a bit safer.
00:16:35 Monday night.
00:16:35 And it was quietly passed.
00:16:37 That's interesting.
00:16:38 Bill C-14, the federal government passed its bail reform legislation,
00:16:42 and now it's up to the provinces to make it work.
00:16:45 So they kind of, we're going to go through this for a minute.
00:16:48 I'm not, we're going to do a show on it.
00:16:49 But I just wanted to highlight some of the things about it.
00:16:51 They kind of passed the buck now over to the provinces.
00:16:54 And for most of you know, the criminal offenses in Canada primarily sit with the provincial governments.
00:17:01 Right.
00:17:01 So, and it's in the past, you know, it's been based on the federal government sort of sets the tone and sort of the general policy rules.
00:17:11 And then you have to follow them.
00:17:13 So this piece of legislation had over 80 targeted changes to the criminal code on bail and sentencing.
00:17:21 and it's going to go into effect 30 days from monday night okay so it's going it's actually
00:17:27 it's it's in effect yeah so quickly so these are a lot stricter laws just to give you some
00:17:33 highlights right because i think this is really important um they're making bail harder to get
00:17:39 for those of q accused of repeat and violent offending by creating new reverse onus rules
00:17:46 in certain cases meaning the accused must now show they should be released that's pretty
00:17:51 significant you have to prove your release yeah that's very significant it's like proving your
00:17:57 innocence before you even have to arrive into court this has got to be this is going to be a
00:18:03 difficult process for many people to get through right and this is reverse of what it was before
00:18:07 so before you just had someone show up a bondsman or a family member and say i'll vouch for them
00:18:13 and you are basically out in the wind, right?
00:18:16 It directs the police to detain and accuse for all bail hearings
00:18:21 when it is necessary to protect the public,
00:18:24 include victims and witnesses.
00:18:27 So now the police can make the call.
00:18:29 So the police don't have to just let them go if they're required to.
00:18:33 It requires courts to consider more factors at bail hearings,
00:18:36 including whether the allegations involved violence
00:18:38 that was random or unprovoked.
00:18:40 So if you just went and did something randomly,
00:18:43 like you know this this thing in my neighborhood they catch the person they're not going to let
00:18:48 them out on any type of bail they don't require to prove themselves yeah exactly um so this is so
00:18:55 we talked about prohibit it prohibits courts from naming anyone as a surety who was convicted of a
00:19:01 criminal offense in the past 10 years okay so you can't have one of your gang members you can't have
00:19:07 one of your crime syndicate bail you out so you know the stories we heard about people you know
00:19:13 the town that had three people that had uh basically uh perpetrated 90 of the crimes
00:19:23 that won't happen anymore so they're in so funny that you cut that off that that one element of it
00:19:30 is consistent across the country in smaller to medium-sized cities and towns yes there's
00:19:37 a consistent four or five people that just keep getting back out exactly now sentencing laws are
00:19:44 changing too and they're getting tougher it requires consecutive sentences for violent auto
00:19:49 theft and break and enter so now you get consecutive sentence right so which wasn't there
00:19:54 requires consecutive sentences for extortion and arson and requires judges to consider consecutive
00:20:00 offenses for repeat violent offending these are all ticking the boxes of the things we
00:20:06 really couldn't i and and frankly paul all of those items just seem like a logical logical steps
00:20:13 to incarcerating violent people right so the interesting part and it got a little bit of you
00:20:18 know of course the liberals loved it they said you know we finally uh collaborated with the
00:20:23 provinces and stakeholders to make uh bail reform changes that will have uh rapid structural changes
00:20:33 The conservatives criticized the bill of not providing or not prioritizing
00:20:37 public safety enough, advocating for stricter bail measures
00:20:41 and mandatory minimum sentencing.
00:20:43 So they still want to go a little further.
00:20:45 NDP raised concerns about disproportionate impacts on indigenous
00:20:49 and marginalized communities and emphasis evidence-based community-focused solutions.
00:20:54 I don't know what they mean by that.
00:20:56 The block questions the bill's effectiveness and warns of potential risk
00:21:00 to judicial discretion and presumption of innocence now this is an interesting one so
00:21:06 they do have a point here which is i can see that one a little bit the judicial
00:21:09 discretion right yeah so what we've done kind of here by changing the sentencing and reversing
00:21:17 you've now left a bunch of discretionary decisions by provincial judges yes so uh you know you've
00:21:24 we've been reading a bunch of articles across the nation about how now provinces have to go
00:21:29 and provide training to their judges who they've appointed
00:21:32 to make sure that their rulings are consistent across.
00:21:36 With the changes, yeah.
00:21:37 Right, so that's a training exercise.
00:21:39 Well, Sean Fraser says that they're putting money behind,
00:21:42 the federal government's putting money behind updating the judicial community
00:21:47 on how this needs to work specifically.
00:21:51 Yes.
00:21:51 So, I mean, the one thing I will say is it gets very specific.
00:21:55 I mean, I blushed through it.
00:21:58 I mean, you went into more detail,
00:21:59 but what i noticed was it got very specific about how this is to be executed it was
00:22:06 really specific in many spots yeah no no listen it you said it on the way in when we were talking 0.99
00:22:13 about it the provincial governments want more power yeah so with that demand or with that ass
00:22:21 becomes the the judgment or responsibility now is on you right so now it's on to the provinces to
00:22:28 say okay you have the power to do this i've created the the bail reform legislation that
00:22:34 gives it to you now how do you use it and that's an interesting thing in politics because you know
00:22:39 watch what you ask for because now when something on the bail side goes awry there's going to be
00:22:45 fingers pointed at the provinces now so this is a big you know this really quietly on monday night
00:22:52 went through you know we're at the end of you know legislative sessions and you know everywhere
00:22:58 everyone's going off for summer and this one goes through now if i sit and i don't do anything and
00:23:03 this reform is in place it's enacted in 30 days and something bad happens the federal government
00:23:09 should say well they went away for the summer they didn't put this into place so this is really
00:23:14 interesting because now oh right all the provinces are scrambling a little saying okay how do i get
00:23:18 something in place to make sure i don't have a problem and then your issue which you pointed out
00:23:24 out to me just before the show we're coming back to the show we did months and months ago is where
00:23:30 do you house these people and what do you do them with them as you're actually waiting for them to
00:23:35 go on trial right as you're denying bail you're putting them up we don't have the resources so
00:23:40 now what's that doug oh uh doug ford's uh taking bids right now in private prisons yeah i can see
00:23:46 that oh oh and daniel smith cut a deal with trump to send you to alcatraz but right now we don't
00:23:51 really have the facilities to house people yeah we have to have that discussion sooner than later
00:23:56 and we have to figure out where that budget comes from again with huge budget deficits here we are
00:24:01 again with the same issue where does the money come with how do we allocate it where does it go
00:24:06 who builds it which we've been notoriously slow on building infrastructure as we've talked on
00:24:11 the major projects now it's in the provincial hands to do that how can they do that you know
00:24:17 right now i have to think about you know if i'm in their shoes i have to think about large empty
00:24:22 buildings that i can actually transform transform uh at least temporarily because i have a holding
00:24:30 issue right i have a security holding issue that i have to deal with and so now i'm looking around
00:24:35 saying okay you know which large company is left uh hopefully finding something on the outskirts
00:24:42 almost an american idea right go you go to the outskirts of major cities into small communities
00:24:48 you find abandoned warehouses and and homes and farms or whatever you find you you uh renovate
00:24:55 them you turn them into prisons and quite frankly you barbed wire them you you put fences up and
00:25:01 we do have a few of those as i made my way through merrickville uh between uh ottawa and
00:25:06 uh toronto there there's one of those out there and it's like a farm field yeah it looks like a
00:25:11 major industrial farm but it's it's actually a prison i uh what about the ev plant i'm just
00:25:17 making suggestions now it's empty uh by the way i said daniel steel before i meant daniel smith
00:25:22 just so that we are factually correct uh interesting yeah we'll be curious to see
00:25:28 where this dives deep and i wonder how policing feels uh how this feels to the policing community
00:25:33 They've, can you imagine being a police officer
00:25:37 and you finally get somebody, they get processed and released.
00:25:41 Yeah.
00:25:42 The catch and release must be devastating for police
00:25:44 trying to do good work to protect us.
00:25:47 But now, so the interesting thing, in 30 days from now,
00:25:50 it's not a hot potato anymore.
00:25:52 The potato's now in the provincial, you know, it's in their court,
00:25:56 and they have to figure out what to do with it.
00:25:59 Okay, we'll be following that.
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00:26:13 Paul, thanks. I appreciate this.
00:26:14 Thanks, Mike.