True Patriot Love - July 21, 2026


TPL On The Road： North Atlantic Organics ft Joe Dorgan


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00:00:00.000 on true patriot love the east coast tour continues we're in pei kignish right made it then we have
00:00:11.840 joe dorgan here um for north atlantic organics right so welcome uh thank you for spending the
00:00:18.480 time with us today not a problem so joe we drove up right first of all beautiful right we like we
00:00:24.720 we're from ontario so we never see anything like this right okay so before we get into you know
00:00:30.880 what uh your uh what you founded uh your company and also you know how you've changed the world
00:00:37.120 with it i just want to learn a little about you so as i was driving up and i thought to myself
00:00:42.320 how does joe like how does he find dignish where how does he make it here um so were you born in
00:00:48.880 Born right here, fifth generation on this ground here.
00:00:53.480 Really?
00:00:54.220 Yeah.
00:00:54.820 OK.
00:00:56.020 And so Jim is how I know, right?
00:00:59.920 I met you today, Jim Whelan.
00:01:02.120 And I know a little bit about Jim's background.
00:01:04.520 So did you guys always farm?
00:01:06.740 Is that so good?
00:01:07.640 We farm here all our life.
00:01:08.640 Our old man farmed, our grandfather, our great-grandfather.
00:01:11.640 Everybody was farming.
00:01:12.740 Now we're still farming.
00:01:15.880 My son's, one son, he's not on the farm.
00:01:20.020 He was in the service.
00:01:21.120 He retired from the service.
00:01:22.920 My other son is in the fishing business.
00:01:26.320 And my grandsons, they're into the lobster fishing business.
00:01:30.820 We farmed all our life.
00:01:32.320 This place has always been farmed.
00:01:34.640 OK.
00:01:35.440 Cattle farming.
00:01:36.340 Cattle, pigs. 1.00
00:01:37.740 It was a mixed farm. 1.00
00:01:39.040 I was a dairy farmer.
00:01:40.740 The land we grew potatoes.
00:01:42.780 OK.
00:01:44.140 And it was a farmer pretty well every now
00:01:47.600 we just keep a few beef cattle, grow our own feed,
00:01:51.100 something like that there.
00:01:52.180 Yeah.
00:01:52.800 I'm 70 years old now.
00:01:54.300 And the younger generation, like my sons and grandsons,
00:01:57.640 they're not on a farm.
00:01:59.100 They like what I do on the farm, but they like to eat good
00:02:01.800 and all this other stuff.
00:02:04.380 Can I ask you something?
00:02:05.280 So we did a show on this recently.
00:02:07.180 Why?
00:02:08.580 Why don't they see it as a, do you ever
00:02:11.500 wonder why they don't see it as a future?
00:02:13.380 No, I understand it in a way.
00:02:17.020 The younger generation today are used to a little bit more
00:02:21.520 than what we were used to.
00:02:22.920 We were brought up, and we survived.
00:02:26.720 And my old man and my mother, they were down this farm.
00:02:30.640 There were seven of us in the family.
00:02:33.240 My old man, that's all he did was farm, just a little mix farm. 0.98
00:02:37.040 And we were used to it. 0.99
00:02:38.140 You had no money, but you got by.
00:02:40.380 You always ate good.
00:02:42.140 You got a roof over your head, everything like that.
00:02:43.980 But the younger generation today, and I can see that,
00:02:47.100 they got better educated.
00:02:50.140 It's not that we didn't have a chance to get educated.
00:02:52.620 We didn't want to get educated.
00:02:54.300 Right.
00:02:55.180 We went to work and made a living.
00:02:57.580 The younger people I know, our two sons got educated.
00:03:01.500 And one fellow went in the service.
00:03:04.060 He was there for 25 years or so.
00:03:06.700 And been all over the world and into the wars
00:03:09.580 or something like that, he's now retired.
00:03:12.140 My other son worked with me on the farm.
00:03:15.520 We milked cows, and we're good at it.
00:03:18.480 And we done good at it.
00:03:20.920 But for some reason, 15, 16 years ago,
00:03:26.440 another farmer called me up from the other end of the island,
00:03:29.240 see if I'd be interested in salad.
00:03:32.040 My quota system and stuff like that never crossed my mind,
00:03:35.980 but I said, I'm always interested in talking.
00:03:38.640 And we sat down on a Saturday morning at 8 o'clock
00:03:42.140 in his accountant's office.
00:03:44.800 And at 8.30, I had sold my cola.
00:03:48.820 Never thought it was going to happen.
00:03:50.620 But I had a price on to it, as I said, if something.
00:03:53.380 And I don't go back on my word.
00:03:55.240 And we shook hands, and it happened.
00:03:58.340 So my son said, my son wasn't even home at the time.
00:04:01.860 I was the boss.
00:04:03.460 We both talked about everything that we did.
00:04:05.340 But he was up in Ontario with one of his sons at Hockey
00:04:08.940 in the middle of July.
00:04:11.380 And I called him up.
00:04:12.480 I said, I think we're done milking cows here
00:04:14.240 in the next four or three months.
00:04:15.340 It took a while for it to go through.
00:04:16.940 Yeah.
00:04:18.240 And he said, OK.
00:04:20.440 When he got home, we discussed it all.
00:04:21.940 But he said, I think we grew up in a fishing area.
00:04:24.340 It's all fish in here.
00:04:26.440 Yeah.
00:04:26.940 And I did fish for years, never my own setup,
00:04:32.040 but I fished with other people.
00:04:33.840 And he said, I think I'll get into the fishing business.
00:04:36.500 So he did, and he was, he done well at it.
00:04:39.480 And started off with one lobster a year,
00:04:41.940 and now they have five.
00:04:43.240 Oh, wow.
00:04:43.900 And they're making an easier living, a lot easier living.
00:04:47.600 Like a lot of young people don't understand that today,
00:04:51.600 this farming and all this new stuff. 0.95
00:04:53.780 And they kind of bitch a bit about the fishing. 0.89
00:04:56.380 There's not enough money. 0.98
00:04:57.680 Maybe we're not getting paid enough and everything like that.
00:05:00.180 Like my son says, they never farmed.
00:05:04.420 He said, if they had a farm, they'd know how good this is.
00:05:07.180 He said, I call this, and he does.
00:05:08.720 He said, we're on vacation, fishing around here.
00:05:11.620 Now we're on vacation.
00:05:12.780 Yeah.
00:05:13.380 Well, because he knows, right?
00:05:14.580 It's like everything else.
00:05:15.880 So a little bit of background about me, and you and I just met.
00:05:18.780 But I grew up in Toronto, right?
00:05:22.080 One of my first jobs was working at Canada Packers.
00:05:25.580 Yep.
00:05:26.280 Right?
00:05:26.580 It was a meat processing plant where cattle used to come in
00:05:30.040 on trains and they used to offload it and then we used to work and i used to load trucks
00:05:34.840 and uh you know and uh so from there you know as i got older i actually did the racetrack business
00:05:42.200 so i mentioned to you i met jim in the horse business yep and uh after i finished in canada
00:05:48.520 i went to the u.s and i ended up building two properties one in oklahoma and one in texas
00:05:55.160 own star yeah uh two racetracks for for the company i was working for uh so you know the
00:06:01.320 cattle business uh was all around me all the time right from one way or another so when when jim said
00:06:07.800 i could come meet you i was really interested because of what you'd done and what you'd created
00:06:13.240 so so now you're you're here right you're you're uh you're farming you eat the cattle and the milk
00:06:19.800 and the dairy um so you decide one day to take the seaweed how do you get to the seaweed part
00:06:26.520 because uh when i'm reading the story and i'm trying to think about it did you just is it part
00:06:31.800 of your background or did you well we're always in the ci as our family like everybody around here
00:06:38.440 had always been in the seaweed business back then up until 20 years ago 25 years ago it was the irish
00:06:45.160 Moss, and this was the Irish Moss capital of the world,
00:06:50.320 Western PEI here, and we were always at it.
00:06:54.220 And you made good money, you spent money,
00:06:57.460 and everything was moving in the Irish Moss industry.
00:07:00.520 Well, it went to hell.
00:07:03.060 There's no Irish Moss industry left.
00:07:05.060 So we were always farming, and my son and I were milking cows.
00:07:10.120 We were milking out of 50, 55 cows.
00:07:13.880 And I decided, or we both did, said, well,
00:07:18.360 people wanted a company of material
00:07:20.160 was talking to us about going organic.
00:07:22.880 I liked the organic route.
00:07:24.360 I liked it.
00:07:25.360 So we talked about it for a year or more.
00:07:28.820 So we did.
00:07:30.060 There were five or six small 50 cow herds on the island
00:07:34.020 that decided we're going organic.
00:07:37.120 And then we did.
00:07:39.320 It was working out good for it, but the feed we had to buy
00:07:43.280 and the minerals and vitamins and stuff we had to buy
00:07:46.280 was very, very expensive.
00:07:48.080 Well, I said, Jesus, we're living here on the beach.
00:07:51.280 We've been involved in the seaweed all our life here.
00:07:55.120 Let's start feeding the seaweed to the cattle
00:07:57.560 for their minerals and vitamins source.
00:07:59.960 So we started, I started.
00:08:01.600 I was the only one that I never let on to nobody
00:08:03.840 and I didn't let that, I started it.
00:08:05.880 And it was 100%, everything was going along the road.
00:08:09.480 And we have, every month, we'd have a vet come in
00:08:13.480 and check all our cows, which you always done that.
00:08:16.280 And they started seeing a difference.
00:08:18.360 Within a month or so after we were feeding the seaweed,
00:08:22.200 and they didn't know why they were seeing this difference.
00:08:25.240 So they asked me one day, because we had never
00:08:27.000 told nobody what we were doing.
00:08:28.600 Asked me one day, well, why are you doing different?
00:08:31.480 Well, I said, why are you seeing different?
00:08:33.800 I knew there was a difference.
00:08:35.720 Well, he said, first of all, it's your conception rate
00:08:39.080 in your cows.
00:08:40.260 Yeah. 0.60
00:08:41.760 Holstein herd, we were pushing them along.
00:08:44.960 And we were running around 60%, 65% in our conception rate.
00:08:49.060 Well, we're up about 90% at this time.
00:08:51.560 Big difference.
00:08:52.420 So I told her that.
00:08:53.320 Well, she looked at me, foodies looking. 0.99
00:08:54.880 She said, yeah, you might be crazy.
00:08:56.920 She never ever tell of it or anything like that.
00:08:58.620 And then you can tell them they're looking at cattle
00:09:00.760 and everything.
00:09:01.480 So then she got telling it to other people.
00:09:05.520 And then other people started coming to us to get some,
00:09:09.280 to see what we were doing, and it started from there.
00:09:12.320 Yeah.
00:09:12.640 For that, I think it were 19 or 20 years.
00:09:16.480 And then to make it a little bit bigger, I had no money.
00:09:19.840 We had no money and I had to invest some money.
00:09:23.600 So a friend of mine that I had known,
00:09:25.840 he was in the seafood business all his life,
00:09:28.960 Gary Jenkins, he had a couple of fish companies.
00:09:31.360 He set up the oyster company down in Chile and he would be in it here and he had a fish plant and a lobster plant just down the road here and him and I had been friends and so he said he has sold out. And that's 20 years ago he was 77 years old and he said I like what you're doing here. He said we'll, so him and I teamed up. Nobody, you couldn't borrow your money. No one took me seriously.
00:10:01.360 We'll be right back.