As we round up the weekend here at TPL, a post-Easter weekend, I m joined by Paul Micucci and Jim Lang to talk about the elephant in the room. Over the weekend, the President of the United States of America used the F word of all things in a message to the Iranian government saying that it s time for them to pack it in or face hell on earth.
00:05:21.280How many deadlines has he announced in the last couple of weeks?
00:05:25.800And quite frankly, he may try to exercise a strike and order a strike by the carrier task force and the assets in theater against the infrastructure of Iran.0.66
00:05:37.140But it may hurt Iran, but it's not going to stop them.
00:05:41.380But I guess it's interesting because if this one doesn't go forward, Mike and Jim, and he has to pull out per se, he can't get the strait freed up, he can't secure it, Iran just keeps control of the strait, then what does really happen to the US military?0.76
00:06:01.840They have to pull back. They have to head home. These large aircraft carriers and all their equipment that they brought in was really not working there. It, quite frankly, didn't pan out, didn't do well. So he'd have to pull back, recede back to the Western Hemisphere, basically give up. And then that would send a message. I think that would send a resounding message, number one, to China.0.52
00:06:27.820because i think the other night i do agree with a lot of people the other night when he was giving
00:06:32.540his speech he was almost talking directly to the chinese president he was he was literally saying
00:06:38.860you know you need to go in and you need to get the straight freed up because the oil that's coming0.91
00:06:43.740out of iran is going to you and so you need to do that and you know they they just have sat quietly
00:06:49.900on the sidelines. So if he basically couldn't protect the other EU nations, he couldn't protect
00:06:58.600anyone in the region who had depended on him for security in the region, they got bombed,
00:07:04.140they lost a lot of infrastructure, they have to retool. That's a significant issue for the United
00:07:10.640States. So the United States would have to pull back. The interesting part about that is a lot
00:07:16.020of the investment from those saudi nations actually go into the u.s so these wealth funds
00:07:22.140that have been accumulated from these oil reserves that get shipped all over the world that go through
00:07:27.180the strait quite frankly would then have to be repurposed to rebuild in the region a region now
00:07:33.060that is actually controlled by china and iran um with no u.s protection so which then sends a
00:07:40.380message honestly to china with respect to taiwan japan all those nations you know they don't have
00:07:47.140to worry about the u.s because quite frankly the u.s wasn't able to go to iran it wasn't able to
00:07:52.160deal with 90 million people and basically 50 or half of that 90 million is basically on probably
00:07:58.980in favor of the u.s it's whatever the split is so you have those issues to deal with so
00:08:04.180So they're looking at it saying, well, then, quite frankly, the world order is now changed.
00:08:11.380Yeah, it does send that message, doesn't it really, Jim?0.95
00:08:13.840I mean, the U.S. having to pull away from Iran sends a message to the whole world, all of their adversaries, that they might show up and not be able to get the mission accomplished.0.87
00:08:26.740I think that also is a shot at the American people on the arm that they are injected with pride.0.56
00:08:34.180And at the same time, gentlemen, you have Pete Hegseth, who is firing all these generals and blaming them for their mistakes going on.
00:08:42.500Now, so the American military are going to have to take a look at what Ukraine did with Russia and change how they fight wars and the equipment they use and the tactics they use.
00:08:53.500And while all this is going on, well, we're talking about the deadline, a story today that India is staring down a food crisis because of the lack of fertilizer.
00:09:02.600And here's something else I found out over the weekend. Saudi Arabia is the largest supplier of helium in the world. And the helium is critical in semiconductor manufacturing and microprocessors. And that's going to affect a lot of us around the world as well.
00:09:18.800So you have helium for microprocessors and semiconductors, fertilizer, India's facing it now, Canadians and American farmers are going to be planting soon.
00:09:29.240It could be really tough sledding for them.
00:09:31.960And the average person who is juggling two and three jobs just to pay the bills.
00:09:36.680I mean, I drove by a gas station today in my area of southern Ontario, $1.87 a liter.
00:09:41.860And what Dan McTagg told us on this channel a couple of weeks ago is all coming true and it's hitting Canadians where it hurts.
00:09:51.860So now let's take a look at this. Things blow up in Iran. I would imagine the U.S. makes a drawback.0.97
00:10:00.920What's Trump's next position globally speaking? I mean, really, that does leave the U.S. in a scenario.
00:10:06.980I mean, Jim, you and I said it before, you said before the show, the one thing that you know for sure Americans watch is gas prices and the price of beer.
00:10:16.440And Jim and I both added, yeah, they do not like to see coffins coming home draped in American flags as well.
00:10:23.580So this could either go one direction, which is going to be very unpopular with the American people, or it could go in another direction, sending Trump home.
00:10:36.980Well, then he asked, you know, at that point, he's shown his vulnerability, right?
00:10:40.600The U.S. has shown their inability to go to across the world, change command or control of a country that's basically a threat to the United States and what he perceives the world.
00:10:54.800So he's got to come back and secure the Western Hemisphere, which is exactly what we talked about in his national strategy for military at Christmas.
00:11:02.440We said this. We said the Monroe Doctrine, everything else. He's got to come back.
00:11:06.800Now, that actually expedites the conversation about Canada.0.66
00:11:12.720So then we're back in front and center because the one thing he's got to secure when he leaves Iran is oil.
00:11:21.920And as we know, most of the U.S. oil is imported, and it's imported from Canada, right?
00:11:28.840So quite frankly, he's got natural gas and oil.
00:11:31.380He's got to center and get some focus back on in the Western Hemisphere.
00:11:35.340You know, he can go down as far as Brazil and start to figure out how to change relationships with countries in the Western Hemisphere.
00:11:44.900He has talked, Brazil has been on his talk map, as it were.
00:12:32.100He's moving back. And so now he's got to be careful, which then starts that conversation of every country, Mexico, Canada, Cuba, all those conversations, Venezuela, Brazil, all those conversations start to come into play that we've been hearing about.
00:12:47.420And they become, you know, they become paramount to him because, again, he can't weaken even further.
00:12:54.440He has to control and make sure, you know, he can get the economies going based on trade with the Western Hemisphere nations.
00:13:06.080I was just going to add on to what Paul said.
00:13:08.320and while all that's going on trump and i don't think it's possible has got to find a way to
00:13:15.280repair the damage he's done to world leaders he basically offended every president and prime
00:13:21.600minister in europe and nato uh calling them all sorts of names in social media and in public
00:13:27.360reporters for not jumping in to help them so what friend does he have in the international stage
00:13:33.680is it is it iran it's not iran because they will fight them but what are we talking about
00:13:38.240like china putin and russia are they his friends the old way of um you know england france canada
00:13:47.040all those western countries you know being part of america it's out the window and i don't know when
00:13:53.200that that that wound heals i mean they had a a poll today this morning that came out that 58
00:14:00.240of canadians would like our government to talk about joining the european union the canadian
00:14:05.400public are so upset with america and trump they're thinking why don't we have a a relationship with
00:14:12.140them and why don't we have our own version of nato that doesn't include the united states if
00:14:16.280they're going to be like that so trump's got a bigger issue that he's not thought through because
00:14:20.780of his cognitive decline is america's being more and more isolated on the world stage and there's
00:14:27.180less and less countries that are willing to come to his aid and the country's aid i like that jim
00:14:32.440throws cognitive decline in there he's not a well i i get where you're coming from and it just makes
00:14:38.980me laugh but i'm sorry on that note paul i was just going to say if he has to come into canada
00:14:44.520to get these resources lit things that they need uh for lithium batteries uh oil you know these
00:14:51.320essential uh fertilizers that we have access to fertilizer water water is another good one so on
00:14:58.500that note i don't think that we're in a bargaining position with the united states of america
00:15:04.140and i don't really think becoming maybe i'm crazy becoming part of a a union of countries on the
00:15:12.180other side of the of the ocean doesn't make a lot of sense when the guy right below us is still a
00:15:18.180world superpower and hungry for energy and oil he's not going to be getting through the Strait
00:15:23.820of Hormuz or from relationships in the Middle East. And I think, Mike, over the weekend,
00:15:29.600you started to see the discussion about leaving NATO. It became really key. Over Easter,
00:15:34.700you know, a lot of times governments put things out on long weekends because
00:15:40.080they put them into the air just to say, I told you so. And the U.S. government started saying,
00:15:45.360You know, Marco Rubio was very clear. He said, you know, we're not happy with NATO. We're thinking of leaving NATO. And he was very blunt about it. He wasn't like sugarcoating it because of what's happened here. This could be the end of our relationship. And with one year's notice, we're out of NATO.
00:16:02.180Yeah, but it does put NATO into perspective. If one wild cowboy wants to go to war and all of NATO is expected to be there. Well, this is the one scenario NATO is seeing right now that is unlike any other one where everybody is being called to arms on a war they have no interest in. And this could be the second or third time that the U.S. has done this in the Middle East with NATO in tow.
00:16:28.120And just to add to that, did you see the story? Germany has told every fighting age individual, 17 to 45, they're basically telling them to be ready to help work and defend your country.
00:16:44.260Do you see that story? So you have European countries that are laying the foundation for a massive expansion of their military, thinking that they will not get help from America.
00:16:55.540And then they're going to have to rely on the blood, sweat and tears of their people of their own country to defend themselves.
00:17:02.860Well, think about it, Jim. And, you know, over the last decade, the Europe has become dependent on the U.S., you know, from funding perspective and from a military, even the numbers.
00:17:14.260right? Not only weapons, but the number of people. They've seen a decline in their military.
00:17:18.640Now they're facing the fact that, quite frankly, after Iran, they pull out, they move on,
00:17:24.640and they go back home. Are they that concerned about Europe? I don't think they are. They don't
00:17:29.880see them as a big trading partner. They don't do a lot of, like we don't, quite frankly,
00:17:34.060we don't do a lot of trade. We've talked about it on shows before. We don't do a lot of trade
00:17:40.100with our european nations the ones that are in nato with us um not like we do with the u.s so
00:17:45.260quite frankly the u.s goes home they leave nato they leave europe now europe has to worry about
00:17:54.440russia big time yeah well you know the other thing it occurs to me that as we're talking about
00:18:02.600the u.s tapping canada this could be you know effectively a moment for mexico and canada that
00:18:09.820is a little more than uncomfortable, or it could be beneficial depending on how things go.
00:18:14.460We already have certain laws, certain legislation that says we will only extract so much oil. We
00:18:22.440will only process so much oil. We will do only this, this, and this with regard to the environment
00:18:28.740that I think if we got pushed for more product, if we got pushed for more resources, we would have
00:18:35.940to rewrite things in our own parliament right away to make them happen. It's not just something
00:18:41.920that we could say, oh, yeah, go and take more oil or, you know, we'll kind of deal with you.
00:18:46.680Really, it does make fundamental changes to laws that the liberal government put into place. So
00:18:53.400Carney would have to backtrack on all of that. We would have to rewrite new legislation.
00:19:00.020I mean, I don't see what the other options are, except that we become a more carbon producing
00:19:05.360nation almost instantly i mean all cards are on the table and whether carney wants to admit it
00:19:12.640or not to the more environmentally activist members of his cabinet i don't think he has a choice
00:19:19.680eventually to revive pipelines that were shot down by biden and trudeau to expand pipelines to the
00:19:26.880pacific coast to build that liquid natural gas port in churchill i think as a country
00:19:33.200what are we looking at now? Every month in the last few months, the gross domestic product of
00:19:40.040the nation is slowly going down. Prices are going up. It's getting harder and harder for people to
00:19:46.840pay the bills. You hear stories about individuals in this country, two and three jobs just to put
00:19:53.760food on the table and keep a roof in their head. And if things go up eventually, like I can't work
00:19:58.48024 hours a day what do i do yeah i think that that's a consistent feeling i i worry at this
00:20:05.540very moment uh what the decision of trump will be but i'll i'll be honest with you guys i don't think
00:20:11.360either either direction for the u.s right now is very good well here yeah it's not very good and
00:20:18.820quite frankly if he has to go the other way as we talked about earlier in the show that would mean
00:20:23.080that would mean knocking out the energy sources in iran which would then leave 90 million people
00:20:28.680stranded we already have massive immigration problems at home and in the us and canada and
00:20:34.520around the world europe has so it's not like these people are going to be migrated and we're not going0.99
00:20:39.560anywhere paul without water in a few days well but a huge amount of society is it weakens them0.77
00:20:45.640substantially and quite frankly israel then has their uh you know full carb launch to move in and
00:20:51.720just take over right so and they'll have enough ground troops based on the weakened nation to do
00:20:57.560that because you'll see people dropping in the streets so it's it is a nightmare scenario it's
00:21:03.320a way to actually avoid the nuclear threat so that's one thing it actually does do a few things
00:21:10.280unfortunately uh really unfortunately that we don't want to see but it it does uh send that
00:21:16.040message and it actually brings this to a conclusion relatively quickly it does sustain the u.s from a
00:21:24.120dominance perspective in the region it causes some real significant challenges with china so then
00:21:31.400china that's where you know he was he was sending the message to china and his uh state state of the
00:21:38.360nation address saying china you had to open the straight you know so my my everyone gets off my0.67
00:21:43.960back i can claim victory and go home china didn't do that so they're forced his hand to play this
00:21:49.000hand now he now controls the energy source the oil for china so now that causes another set of issues
00:21:58.200um which he's got to deal with so israel and the u.s standing kind of alone would now have to
00:22:05.000reach a deal with china he was supposed to be in china the president trump was supposed to
00:22:09.960to be in china in april he's deferred his trip now till may so he was supposed to be there i think
00:22:15.580this week he's deferred till sometime in may he said i'll be there after i handle this my my
00:22:21.220thinking is that if he's going to go that way he's then going to move to china to try to resolve
00:22:27.340something so because now you know they'd have to figure out a way to get the uh energy going they'd
00:22:34.580have to figure out temporary energy sources to get to those refineries, to get that oil moving
00:22:40.540and to get the drilling and to get everything going. That's going to be a tough haul. I don't
00:22:44.540know how he does that. There's a set of logistical issues that he's got to deal with so the Chinese1.00
00:22:49.080don't start to panic too fast, which causes another set of conflicts that come into play.
00:22:55.380So that scenario, again, is a whole host of other scenarios for another show. But if we
00:23:03.380if by tomorrow morning so this is the interesting thing i don't think i think canadians went away
00:23:08.420and had a nice easter i don't think i don't know if everyone was watching i i know i you know i
00:23:14.120was working over the weekend because i had a bunch of uh projects going on and as i'm have the news
00:23:19.460on behind me working away i'm listening and i'm thinking i don't know if people are paying
00:23:23.440attention to how bad this gets in a short period of time so if if we wake up tomorrow and on tuesday
00:23:29.880we we see that uh power in the in iran is gone then that's leading down a whole different path
00:23:40.040a whole different set of discussions that quite frankly need to be taken care of quickly
00:23:44.560which then also he's gonna trump has a whole set of issues at home at that point that he's got to
00:23:51.900deal with never mind okay oh sorry i just want to say go ahead at the same time paul's talking
00:23:58.800about that francois philippe champaign and other canadian officials have just returned from a
00:24:04.000trade mission in china and and i can't help but thinking that the chinese government and their
00:24:10.000officials have been quiet on purpose you know the old saying don't let your enemy don't interrupt
00:24:15.360your enemy when they're making a mistake so while trump keeps tripping over his own feet and making
00:24:20.160all these crazy statements china has been strategically quiet and thinking this and0.64
00:24:25.440They're always playing the long game.0.94
00:24:27.180And I can't help but think they're trying to cut deals with Canada as a country as an alternate source of energy for them.
00:24:41.400Does anybody care about humanity anymore?
00:24:43.900You can't bomb the resources of an entire nation of people in the middle of the desert, making it impossible for them to get water.
00:24:52.260You can't go and annihilate the neighbors. I'm so sorry, but I don't understand why Israel and the U.S. think it's okay to even threaten these kind of horrific things or even, as we've seen in the Gaza Strip, go that deep into the paint so much against humanity that there is no walk back from it.
00:25:15.020And I don't understand why the world isn't stepping up and standing in front of Israel right now and standing in front of the U.S. and saying, stop it.0.60
00:25:30.120I think to some degree the allies are backing away saying we don't want anything to do with this.
00:25:35.080But nobody is standing in front of Netanyahu saying, stop doing this to humanity.
00:25:41.320So ask yourself the question, gentlemen, why?
00:25:44.180because it all through history in america when israel was in a military incursion
00:25:49.320after about a month or two the american administration through history
00:25:53.900for lyndon b johnson and nixon and everyone else would step in and say that's enough stop
00:25:59.100but biden didn't do it and trump didn't do it till gaza was no more and why so what do they
00:26:06.440have in them why would they not go in and stop them say okay it's been a couple months stop
00:26:11.960bombing gaza you're bombing hospitals and schools and refugee centers that's enough but they didn't0.84
00:26:18.540do it and now the threat is there with iran in the same way we're going to take out power your0.97
00:26:24.440hospitals go down desalinization goes down uh you know the ability to cool yourself goes down and
00:26:30.680one of the hottest it it is absolutely a new time on earth but i think mike you're taking you know
00:26:37.900coming off easter which you alluded to in the beginning of the show you're taking a very
00:26:42.300christian perspective on it okay right so which you are you know and i appreciate that and i think
00:26:47.900you know that's well founded and i think it needs to be addressed but you look at trump on easter
00:26:54.060sunday he comes out on true show social and he uses a profanity to say to him and you know everyone
00:26:59.820was kind of shocked you know uh marjorie taylor green was like what the heck you know what's going
00:27:05.100on and and they're even her and but i think what he's doing and i think what he was trying to get
00:27:12.060through is i'm not looking at this from a christian perspective i'm looking at this from a total
00:27:19.900uh this destruction of this nation and well he said right in that message praise be allah yeah
00:27:27.180right like the the message he's not going to destruct that nation like i i understand what
00:27:32.300what you're saying he thinks he's doing but that's they can keep punching iran all they want
00:27:38.300but that's not good like they unless they're willing to put five six hundred thousand troops
00:27:44.480on the ground in iran with armor and helicopters and suffer horrible casualties until they take
00:27:51.220out the way they're doing it now they can't win is that the purpose to annihilate a society i don't
00:27:57.500think that's what they were trying to do i don't even know what they were trying to do but but you
00:28:01.020know by doing this way and knocking out the uh the power the energy sources to the country
00:28:06.800you're doing it in a very slow way jim you're not you're not fighting anymore right you're just
00:28:11.820you're kind of like cuba you're just isolating them like he's doing done to cuba right you're
00:28:16.280basically isolating them on an island so you want to you know he's basically saying to him you want
00:28:21.040to live on an island you want to protect the strait good i'm gonna let you protect the strait
00:28:25.280i'm gonna cut your power off and you're gonna sit in the middle of the desert and and basically
00:28:29.220that's going to be the end of you and and if he does it that's what he does so after you know uh
00:28:34.900what is it three days four days i think you can go without uh well then it depends on your stature
00:28:40.820and health i guess your health and everything else people are dying so quite frankly you know maybe
00:28:45.140you get seven days where water totally runs out you know reserves and everything else and then
00:28:49.940quite frankly you just by the end of two weeks you're just waiting for people to and once you
00:28:55.460hit it quite frankly the the sad part of this is once you hit the the power generation plants and
00:29:02.260everything else and the hydro you can't get it back so there's no going back because you've
00:29:06.660destroyed it in the rebuilding of it takes you know years and years so quite frankly that's it
00:29:12.340it's over so you're just waiting and you you can't get the people out you can't do anything with it
00:29:18.100so if once that's played that is the end and that's the sad part and then you don't really
00:29:24.020have to fight that much quite frankly it's it's a waiting game so i guess you know this is where
00:29:29.700iran sits now the ball's back in iran's court because what he's he's saying to them is i'm
00:29:36.100going to play the same game that you're playing with me but now when i knock it out i'm waiting
00:29:41.940you out to the end i'm not waiting you out to negotiate right so he's he's kind of playing
00:29:46.500that ball and it's sad that he is playing that ball yeah it's pretty amazing i don't know what
00:29:51.300is in those epstein files but it's pretty amazing how far this has gotten pushed but i will say this
00:29:59.060you know i don't add on to yeah sorry go ahead i just only going to say is iran has been dealing
00:30:04.580with being cut off from the rest of the world since 1980 this is not new to them and i agree
00:30:11.860that it could be devastating but i think they have a lot of hidden infrastructure just in case
00:30:18.740of this scenario i think they're a lot more prepared for this kind of card that trump is
00:30:23.460playing than people realize and i will be and on paper what you're saying is true gentlemen that
00:30:29.380this is a crime against humanity cutting off their water and power but let's just see what happens
00:30:34.580after the deadline because i think iran is a lot tougher of a nation a lot more resilient
00:30:40.340than quite frankly the american administration obviously trump and his butt kissers thought they
00:30:46.660Yeah. Now, coming back home a little, Jim, before, you know, before we finish up, I want to talk about it. What are we doing back home now? So this is the interesting part. You know, I know everyone left for Easter. We have by elections back in, you know, across Canada, going on Quebec, Ontario. We have a bunch of stuff going on.
00:31:07.760but you know you're not hearing much about this and quite frankly there are issues we need to
00:31:14.240focus on now we need to think through this what what happens what scenarios what is our sort of
00:31:20.720contingency plans we've been really quiet about all this and we we've kind of sat on the sidelines
00:31:26.560you know you mentioned a poll that said we should go with europe all these things i've read them too
00:31:31.760you know they're all great things to kind of talk about and over a beer or in the pub or whatever
00:31:37.200but you know this is when in times like this if by tomorrow this occurs if by tomorrow the
00:31:44.080destruction of iran occurs then we have to do one set of things if quite frankly if it doesn't occur
00:31:52.960and the u.s has to kind of recede back into the western hemisphere and the world gets split because
00:31:58.960then at in a very short period of time to become very transparent that the world is now splitting0.93
00:32:04.880into three or four pieces so there's no super global protection across you know china will make
00:32:12.720moves you know india will make moves you'll see russia make moves you're going to see all that
00:32:17.680happen what's going to happen in our hemisphere how we're going to play into it those are all
00:32:21.920things we need to rethink now right and those are the conversations that aren't taking place and i
00:32:27.360know they're hard to but you know we've been you know i come back to we're doing a show in a few
00:32:33.200minutes on minimum wage and productivity you know again we haven't left ourself in a good spot
00:32:40.840because we are a highly unproductive productive nation right now who looks like we're sitting
00:32:47.900with a lot of dependencies right now our oil we talk about being rich in minerals being rich in
00:32:53.160all these things we're shipping our oil to the united states right now we're getting it refined
00:32:57.600and they're shipping it back yeah we're doing a bunch of things that quite frankly were dependent
00:33:02.200on too. We nullify our oil profitability entirely. And Paul, if Trump says, okay, I need that oil,
00:33:10.680it's not going to be on terms that we like. It's going to be on pretty demand terms. We're not
00:33:16.200going to get more per barrel. We're going to produce more per barrel, but we're going to
00:33:19.720produce more barrels. This is my estimation. Carney's going to be pushed into an uncomfortable
00:33:25.380zone of non environmentally friendly getting of our application of our resources and extraction
00:33:35.660of our resources. So, you know, I think that that's where our government at the first fight
00:33:42.040that they would have in this scenario is you're going to destroy the environment. And Trump's
00:33:46.380going to be like, shut up. I need that oil. Get out of the way. Well, and you both raise great
00:33:51.180points and the you know surrounding all of this is the liberal convention of montreal thursday
00:33:57.980friday and saturday and that's where as a country we're expecting mark carney to get on the stage
00:34:04.780and make a profound statement about our nation about iran about all the things that you just
00:34:09.980talked about because he's been as you say quite quiet he went to a sends game and got booed
00:34:14.780he did a social media post about easter but it's if we're not hearing about it then surely we're
00:34:19.900going to hear about it on montreal the liberal convention this weekend the last thing i remember
00:34:24.220the prime minister doing is having a t he gaffa gaffa with olivia chow and premier yeah ford which
00:34:31.740was nonsense mexico mexico right now is in discussions with the united states mexico is
00:34:39.340continuing their discussions with on their kuzma discussions they're they're they continue along
00:34:45.740you know she's been quiet i said this from the from day one the mexican president she's been
00:34:50.060quiet she really hasn't been you know outwardly critical or you know been in the press a lot
00:34:56.380here and there but you know she's played her hand kind of really well to figure out
00:35:00.780kind of watching how this is going she's now at the table when whatever's going to happen
00:35:06.540tomorrow happens yeah so it gives her a little bit of a leg up to kind of negotiate the outcome you
00:38:22.120Now, it seems like they're just in a position financially right now that that's that would just be blowing a hole in the body of anything that they have financially planned.
00:38:31.800Again, going to Montreal with having to answer another question. So a bunch of other nations are actually already cutting taxes on gas.
00:38:40.320Yeah. So you're going there. You're going to get asked that question. No, I won't do it because the carbon agenda.
00:38:44.740OK, man, like at that point, people are going to go, OK, but then, you know, say Trump tomorrow decides to pull back.
00:38:53.680So he's not going to go forward. He's coming back from Iran.
00:38:56.300Then they're going to say, well, what are you going to do now? He's coming back.
00:38:59.220He's he's wants to control the Western Hemisphere.
00:39:02.640What are you going to do to negotiate with him now?
00:39:05.520Because he's going to want to secure your oil, your resources.
00:39:10.120What are you going to do? Quite frankly, you need a strategy.
00:39:13.140And just saying, well, you know, net zero, you know, no carbon.
00:39:19.400No, it's not going to pass the smell test.
00:39:21.740This guy's a very guttural guy, right?
00:39:43.140And depending on what happens, again, watching tomorrow, I don't know how that's going to go, quite frankly, whether they're going to be interested in it. You know, before the show, Jim, we were watching, I think it was Tucker Carlson did a show.
00:39:57.040oh yeah yeah and and you know we were absolutely astonished of now this is his opinion and it's a
00:40:04.400very kind of it's a right-wing opinion but um you know he doesn't perceive canada in the best light
00:40:11.760he doesn't talk about canada he the government he talks about the government in a very negative way
00:40:17.280he described us as a police state yeah you know it's a very uh with china having a similar similar
00:40:24.400hand in control so he does refer to us in in a very negative light so you know if you look at that
00:40:31.120um discussion or that opinion you think to yourself number one he doesn't understand the
00:40:37.200country which is a shame and i think it would be it would be a good idea to actually have that
00:40:41.720conversation because you know you're hearing in the u.s right now things like the maid program
00:40:47.060you're hearing uh you know the the chinese state yeah we really don't have good pr do we no we
00:40:54.100have good pr and americans are perceiving us much differently than we really are so there is there's
00:41:00.100a lot of that that uh needs to be dealt with from a communications perspective but you know those are
00:41:06.180the things that you know as they turn and they look at their predicament in the world they're
00:41:11.860also thinking of us in a different way they're not thinking of us as a happy group of canadians
00:41:17.540anymore they're thinking of us as a very discontent um group who's being overtaxed and over trying to
00:41:23.940Trying to get the government to kill us.
00:42:14.600And as Canadians, as difficult as it is, and I echo your sentiments,
00:42:19.000It's not true. But until we find a way as a nation to change their minds to the reality of what we're really like, that's a problem for Canada.
00:42:28.400Well, it is. And I think we got to show, you know, at some point, which is it sits in the prime minister's, you know, portfolio.
00:42:36.340We got to produce and we got to figure out a way to build some projects that are successful.
00:42:40.940we've had a bunch of really bad you know we've had some bad projects go south on us over budget
00:42:46.780over time some crazy projects in the country over the last decade what are you talking about paul
00:42:51.900we got that great ev thing going on that's good battery you know well and you know the reason
00:42:58.620we're subsidizing them 13 billion dollars to get you know them here for volkswagen is quite frankly
00:43:04.460because we have to because we're so non-productive they would never come here because they were not
00:43:08.220How many Volkswagens is that, by the way?
00:43:10.460How many of those do you have to sell before we start to break even on that?
00:43:13.600But that is, you know, those are part of the issues that are sitting with the prime minister this week that he's got to deal with.
00:43:19.420And those are the things that are being perceived by Americans right now.
00:43:22.100These are the issues that we need to address.