True Patriot Love - What’s Really Fueling the Rise of Student Protests？

00:00:00.000 student unrest student protests I'm here with Liam today and thanks Liam for taking the time

00:00:10.380 wow I have to say wow lots of protests over the last few months uh student driven France was the

00:00:18.600 one that caught my eye um and you know you and I talked about it so we set up the show what's next

00:00:24.720 tomorrow's the day they're gonna protest again right and so yeah we've seen this play out across

00:00:32.000 multiple areas whether it be france the cornell incident nepal india and so on this kind of

00:00:38.720 growing trend of yes student student-led protests that start very confined as you see in the france

00:00:46.720 case so september 17th was when the first local protest started it was a few teachers

00:00:53.840 at a very specific school saying you know a high school finished filled all the positions here

00:01:00.480 uh the students aren't going to get what they need so some students hopped in as well then

00:01:06.400 that grew to the point where uh on september 29th then student unions got involved then that blows

00:01:15.200 up even further to october 1st then there was roughly over a thousand different schools of

00:01:21.920 that same nature it's essentially their high school program uh thousand different schools

00:01:27.120 so a third of them across the entire nation started protesting and then as of october 6

00:01:35.200 the week after that you get 450 000 protesters and marchers so blows up massively uh now the

00:01:46.000 authorities themselves only reported a quarter of a million so somewhere between that number

00:01:51.920 But then, yeah, obviously it blows up into mass rioting, which we saw.

00:01:57.620 And it's hard not to look at some of the things that unfolded and go,

00:02:02.360 well, yeah, this is definitely not just a protest anymore.

00:02:05.480 You've got these other groups.

00:02:07.340 You know, we saw the one video of a woman being torched in the face

00:02:11.460 with somebody that was holding what seemed to be like a,

00:02:14.240 whether it's Axe body spray or hairspray or something of that nature. 0.99

00:02:17.400 yeah uh pretty much flamethrowered her i guess is how you get the best way to put it and then two

00:02:23.580 schools i think it was uh roughly middle 20 like i think it was 24 schools burned down or got lit

00:02:31.320 on fire you saw certain teachers getting splashed with petrol there was the one fireman that caught

00:02:38.560 uh fire in front of a large crowd and they were all cheering and seeing it and it's quite quite

00:02:45.220 wild to see that you know some man be lit on fire in front of this uh mass protest and then pretty

00:02:51.380 much people egging it on um so yeah things are getting quite out of hand and to the point where

00:02:58.260 even the the police uh the police response to it injured uh one 15 year old lost his hand due to a

00:03:07.860 it was like a flashbang style grenade crowd disbursement grenade um but they're still

00:03:13.620 unsure whether it landed on him or whether he tried to pick it up himself and throw it back

00:03:19.780 uh as to what caused because you'd have to be quite quite close to that uh to that for it to

00:03:25.580 inflict that that injury but yeah so looking at tomorrow kind of where things left off where it's

00:03:34.160 now obviously not just a student protest but it's something much more large and violent uh does it

00:03:39.980 pick up right where it left off? Does it go back to its more confined grievance of the actual

00:03:46.140 school system? Or does it just become this larger vessel for people that have grievances of all

00:03:53.240 kind to essentially express their rage? A very quick favor before we continue. A large percentage

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00:04:26.700 back to the show. Yeah. Well, it's interesting, you know, Liam, because we do shows on economy

00:04:32.000 all the time and france has been coming up recently and it's been coming up because

00:04:36.480 its debt load to gdp is becoming astronomical so as we're we're watching uh different countries

00:04:44.160 you know we bring up uh germany france quite a bit the uk you know not as bad off but quite

00:04:50.720 frankly france is seeing this crazy debt load compared to gdp which they're saying they're fine

00:04:57.680 they're saying they're fine but you're seeing things like this you're seeing the school system

00:05:01.520 a road and the stories about how deplorable their their school system is as far as classroom

00:05:07.680 cleanliness uh teachers the number of teachers the ability for them to actually get education

00:05:14.160 diminishing um you're starting to hear about and through these protests you're starting to hear so

00:05:19.360 a lot of times governments will say we're okay you know we're putting our money in and in france's

00:05:23.840 case they've doubled down on nuclear um that's as a defense mechanism so they've doubled down on all

00:05:29.920 these uh strategies to actually secure the country defense you know because of everything going on in

00:05:36.320 russia and the fears of what's going to happen to the country um but they have this huge debt

00:05:41.920 load and quite frankly they're talking about a new tax a vat tax value-added tax that they're

00:05:48.080 going to put on the population um and on the heels of that all of a sudden you have this blow up

00:05:53.840 with the president coming to the end of his tenure you know he's almost i think it's next

00:05:59.440 year he's done um prime ministers rotate through france like a revolving door right every time we

00:06:05.440 turn around there's a new a new sorry uh prime minister uh rolling through the country um so

00:06:12.240 it's it's like you know it's hard to hard to get any stability when all you're seeing is politicians

00:06:17.360 roll in and out of a country so you know it's it's disheartening but i thought it was interesting

00:06:22.880 because when when sandeep took a look at for me before the show i said to him how many parties

00:06:29.680 have joined on this thing so it seems like to your point it starts off with one party being a

00:06:36.000 group of high school students that are disenchanted uh with the the school um the school system and

00:06:44.320 the teacher shortage the overcrowding classes and the rundown buildings and the admission system

00:06:51.600 and then gets lumped on another set of groups so then the university student union joins the high

00:06:58.720 school students and now they're saying okay listen there's no ability for us to get into university

00:07:06.000 uh the financial commitments you're asking us to make the tuition fees so then they join on and

00:07:12.320 then the labor then always labor the trade unions are like we don't have enough work right there's

00:07:18.320 not enough government projects you know what do we do so then they jump on um and then come you

00:07:24.560 know which i always say the the left-wing wing activists jump on um in this case it's a party

00:07:32.640 uh which is interesting which is a combination of some of the cultural groups uh muslim groups and

00:07:38.960 uh basically left-wing parties that have got together to say they're unhappy

00:07:44.400 because they don't feel that the country's treating them well and then at the end who do we see come

00:07:50.580 aboard Greta Thornburg right I didn't catch her coming into this yeah of course so she came in 0.90

00:07:56.840 so Greta's in now so you know she's came off a boat somewhere in the Pacific right and now she's

00:08:02.980 got a flag and she's protesting so it's a climate activist so these things just kind of you know

00:08:09.860 it's like one two three four or five and you know the government's going you know I I you know I had

00:08:14.960 bad uh you know uh high school system which ends now causing this to happen and what do you do

00:08:23.000 because in Nepal so you take Nepal for an example first time you kill a student right first time you

00:08:29.300 injure a student it's pretty hard to be on the good side of this as a government so like and then

00:08:35.240 that's you know that was the downfall of Nepal and the end of the government and the burning of the

00:08:39.200 parliament buildings and the government buildings and the you know the ousting of the police that

00:08:44.540 they felt were corrupt and they just it just steamrolled steamroll till you know next thing

00:08:50.120 you know on discord they're holding an election for their new you know party leader their new

00:08:55.460 country leader right and it's like wow how did that happen so fast so yeah when went from banning

00:09:01.280 social media apps to holding elections on that I know but it's it's you know it's it's a slippery

00:09:07.220 open you know as canadians we have to you know and i'm hope i hope we never get to this but quite

00:09:13.700 frankly you know there's some things i think we got to be conscious of you know the unemployment

00:09:17.700 numbers came out um you know you and i talked about them you know a lot of them were public

00:09:23.220 service people so there's some mixed feelings about whether that was deserved or whether we

00:09:29.220 should have you know reduced government i know some don't want to some want to but quite frankly

00:09:34.340 I think it's understandable. You know, we need to lean out government. So for the most part,

00:09:38.420 based on where we are budget wise. But you know, it has impacts. But then you look at the number

00:09:45.300 of people affected by unemployment that are 25 and under, it's a huge number in Canada right now.

00:09:52.980 So yeah, yeah, 13%. And I believe that number is when you take out students,

00:10:00.260 so essentially young people that wouldn't normally be working but then i think if you include them as

00:10:06.020 well it goes up to 19 i'd have to have to double check on that one but the general number that i

00:10:11.940 know they put forward is 13 um but yeah for sure and i think what we're seeing here largely no

00:10:18.340 matter the case is a restructuring of what we would think of as the social contract right you've got

00:10:26.180 every single group whether that's your left wing activists whether that's the youth whether that's

00:10:33.380 the elderly people are starting to look at it going hey you know this in their their interests

00:10:40.180 are conflicting with one another because even for instance okay you've got a government that's

00:10:46.580 trying to placate to in growing older base with social programs which is going to have to be

00:10:54.340 funded by the youth and then you've got the youth who is sitting there saying uh we're already

00:10:58.660 stretched way too thin i don't know what my future prospects and employment look like and

00:11:03.140 you're telling me that i need to now essentially shell out more for the retirees and so you're

00:11:08.260 going to start to see a little bit of conflict there but then as you're talking about left-wing

00:11:13.460 activism and in political thought is definitely one of the things that i've spent the most time

00:11:18.740 studying and trying to understand is the way that they look at this is because their philosophy they

00:11:24.660 are by nature against the social order and so the way that they look at and even if you go back to

00:11:31.380 marx he was saying this in every group that has been sympathetic to his ideas since is

00:11:39.220 it's not necessarily that we're on board with each one of these individual movements let's say it's

00:11:45.060 the issue of students it's that if this movement then can be weaponized against the status quo

00:11:53.940 then we'll support it so it's it's less about the the individual grievances themselves and more

00:12:00.340 about kind of directing whatever they can against the uh against the system and i think that's

00:12:06.180 definitely what you're seeing and there's been actually a lot of uh discussion in in terms of

00:12:11.140 the france case for sure as to how much uh whether it even be foreign intervention whether it be

00:12:19.060 like through student fiscal and you know loans and that kind of stuff and we've seen past groups as

00:12:27.620 well um pushing these these activists forward and yeah so i think this is just going to you're going

00:12:35.220 to see this kind of continued to boil up orwell orwell said it great it was uh yet the rage that

00:12:41.540 one felt was abstract and undirected but could be pointed towards anywhere like the flame of a blow

00:12:47.940 lamp and it's just like yeah that that grievance that rage is is there and underlying and i think

00:12:54.180 people people are taking uh advantage of these scenarios to let let loose well france tomorrow

00:13:00.660 so that's it'd be interesting to see so france is we're going to be on the weekend watching to see

00:13:06.660 what goes down and how actually the administration deals with it because that's you know like like

00:13:12.740 nepal as you mentioned that's the challenge now is because if you're too heavy-handed it'll just 0.55

00:13:18.180 add fuel to the fire if you're not heavy-handed enough that group of you you mentioned social 1.00

00:13:24.820 activists that don't really care about the cause but just want to cause mayhem they take advantage

00:13:29.860 so you're caught you're bound in a weird spot now you know you have to balance that act and then

00:13:34.980 make sure you have control of it while not harming people too much it's tough to do it's you know 0.93

00:13:41.060 because quite frankly we saw that that got pretty heated and the french have had some pretty like

00:13:46.420 if you go back i was looking this morning you know through the history of france it's had some pretty

00:13:52.020 heated protests oh yeah yeah i'm talking like really heated like yeah you watch like burning

00:13:57.140 of cities and they say burning burning down cities is for france is like an activity like football

00:14:02.580 is for americans exactly yeah you know but it's it's so sad to see and it's sad to see that the

00:14:08.340 political parties have let it get to the point where students are the ones causing the challenge

00:14:14.260 that that makes me sad because that is your future and those are the people that quite frankly should

00:14:19.540 be encouraged to move forward and go to the future not so discouraged that they're protesting because

00:14:25.220 they can't educate themselves and and when you get to that point that's a bad like that is a

00:14:29.940 warning sign not only on the happiness meter and the happiness index it's also a warning sign for

00:14:36.180 the the condition of the country and what's up next in the future and who's going to do what

00:14:41.300 and i think you know again you know we we we tend to see that all over and then today you know it's

00:14:46.820 interesting because when i was coming into this the studio i was actually listening to something

00:14:52.180 on india which i thought was really interesting in the cockroach party because that's all happening

00:14:57.140 today and that's been kind of knocked back you know the government was pretty heavy-handed this

00:15:01.620 morning and like really got on the protest quickly and detained it and pushed everyone

00:15:06.580 back into their home so that's for the most part from what i know now coming into the studio it

00:15:11.140 might have changed since i got here but you know it was quelled by a pretty heavy-headed approach

00:15:17.380 by the government but but that's taken off that's an interesting one because when you look at that

00:15:22.340 and i didn't know until the guys the guys were briefing me this morning coming in and i knew

00:15:27.300 a little bit about the cockroach party i'd seen the mass and the social media and i'd seen some

00:15:31.620 of the up you know the uprising i understood a little bit about how um the medical school exams

00:15:39.220 not being fairly treated and administered um and the uh the uh comments by one of the government

00:15:47.380 officials about you know young people and you know the way they behave um caused a chain reaction of

00:15:54.500 events i didn't realize this was the interesting thing when i got here and they were telling me

00:15:59.620 but i didn't realize now that that's actually gotten into an election fairness issue which

00:16:06.180 is really interesting yeah and it it makes sense too because okay in that scenario if they are

00:16:13.540 concerned about integrity and essentially trust in the institution itself is what they start with

00:16:19.860 over the the examinations then it does encapsulate a larger distrust towards towards those exact same

00:16:29.780 administrators and then you start to look at well what other things are they overseeing right and

00:16:34.900 oh well this group is also overseeing the election integrity and well if they're not in following

00:16:40.820 integrity or they don't have integrity in this domain why should i expect them to in that and

00:16:45.620 then yeah all of a sudden elections become part of the uh part of the issue and that too came from

00:16:52.820 130 million plus names being removed during a revision by that group of essentially eligible

00:17:00.740 voters which is a massive number how do you i know it's a big country i get it right

00:17:06.260 how do you remove 132 million in what they called a special intensive revision of the voters list

00:17:13.860 so right like that you got to think that people know about that at some point for sure and well

00:17:19.220 it's it's it's one of two things really which is okay you're over correcting and you're trying to

00:17:25.300 put things in your favor or you clearly let the system get so fraudulent and out of hand

00:17:31.940 in the first place that your correction measures look crazy and to which one that is i'm not too

00:17:38.180 sure um but yeah obviously that's gonna raise massive red flags either way because it is kind

00:17:44.900 of a question of you know whether it's a shady move you're making now or whether it's something

00:17:50.260 that you've you're trying to clean up from shady moves in the past then either way you're kind of

00:17:55.380 going wait you what are we what are we doing here yeah did anyone explain it yeah i mean like it just

00:18:02.420 got swept under or the opposition didn't really even i find that interesting because it was an

00:18:07.220 election so there had to be an opposition of multiple parties so quite frankly at some point

00:18:12.180 didn't someone you know red flag it or didn't it or they just went you'd think and i know that there

00:18:18.340 was uh there was hundreds of thousands of essentially people disputing it going hey i

00:18:24.900 got removed from this and i shouldn't have been um and so fighting back for that how many how big of

00:18:31.060 that case is but i think that is where essentially the opposition is coming from right now is is

00:18:36.100 individuals that were part of that uh that uh removal and then are are fighting back on it now

00:18:43.620 but it's interesting you know not to dwell into election fairness and everything else because we

00:18:48.660 can tell stories about you know florida and other countries but you know i've lived all over the

00:18:53.540 world and it it is interesting because i can i can remember not not only in canada but other places

00:19:00.980 when elections were finished people would say did you vote for that party

00:19:05.940 and they go no and they go i didn't vote do you know anyone who voted for that party

00:19:09.380 right there's been like i've heard that throughout my lifetime and it's interesting but nothing

00:19:13.780 really ever happens about it quite frankly you just kind of move on you say and then you you

00:19:18.580 know you're going about your day and everyone's having dinner or a drink or out at dinner you

00:19:22.740 know dinner party and they're they're talking and everyone's like you know anyone who voted for that

00:19:29.780 i've been there like i've actually lived in countries and states and provinces and places

00:19:35.460 where i've had that conversation yeah so but i guess in india it is a big population for sure

00:19:41.620 so i guess there probably was a lot of that you know over over you know uh you know uh samosa or

00:19:48.900 whatever they're having they and t they were like hey did you vote for that party maybe that was

00:19:54.580 going on i don't know and that's really weird i think that is the the real conversation when it

00:19:59.860 comes to the integrity stuff because it's not really how is it completely integral or is it

00:20:06.660 completely corrupt it's somewhere along those lines is because you know any any election for

00:20:12.340 that matter nobody's thinking that there was zero instances of fraudulent behavior yeah

00:20:18.420 but it's how how much for sure yeah and uh and yeah i think even too we've we've definitely had

00:20:24.020 our own questions in regards to that in the past it isn't say pure corruption just how much

00:20:29.860 issues along the way in terms of bureaucracy or lack of procedure or something of that nature too

00:20:36.000 but it's interesting you know because not to give not to give the protesters of india any ideas

00:20:41.340 right so i'm just saying but imagine if they held a rally and the rally was to invite the people who

00:20:48.380 were actually left off the voters list to the rally right right and then you've that's a crazy

00:20:54.380 statement right so even think about it like and i always say this because you know when you when

00:20:58.880 watch soccer games it's funny uh because people you know jim lang and i always have this fight

00:21:03.840 when we did about our argument uh over fifa how many people are actually you know uh you know

00:21:12.800 marching and enjoying going to the game and he would call me up and say there's a hundred thousand

00:21:17.920 people you know doing a parade to the stadium for the game right and we would get on and we would

00:21:23.760 we would ai counted and there'd be like 2 000 right and we call them back jim there's like

00:21:30.400 2 000 people there's not a hundred thousand oh look at all the people and we'd be like yeah

00:21:34.880 but honestly when you take a very close camera shot of a large group of people it looks big

00:21:42.080 you know politicians do it all the time like you know it's interesting you know i just saw a shot

00:21:47.520 last night the i know our prime minister is in alberta for the referendum having you know which

00:21:53.760 we hope will be impact for alberta not to vote for the referendum but he's there and they they

00:21:59.600 were showing shots and they're like there's thousands of people here and i'm like i bet if

00:22:03.680 we ai'd that there's like 700 people there yeah right and then for the most part they were showing

00:22:08.080 only shots of him on the podium they weren't showing shots back into the crowd because there

00:22:11.840 weren't a lot of people there right so but you know we see that in political rallies all the

00:22:15.920 time and and quite frankly we use it to our advantage but but here would be an interesting

00:22:20.400 case where you could probably get a million like at least a million or two people who actually

00:22:25.200 were left off the voter list in india to go somewhere and that number would just it would

00:22:30.320 look massive right like because you know we look we see stadiums a hundred thousand people imagine

00:22:35.200 if you saw a million people go to a field somewhere like a big land mass and just stand

00:22:39.600 there saying i got left off the voters list yeah yeah essentially a coalition of grievances

00:22:45.440 yeah well this is this is interesting because it's kind of evolving into this again this is this

00:22:51.040 ball that starts rolling right and now we start you know it started off with you know a nasty

00:22:57.840 comment by a government official then it went to you know medical exams that weren't being

00:23:04.400 administered properly and now it's to you know election voter list like this is and it's just

00:23:10.960 again it just it you know and oh for sure and i hate to say it on the heels of that quite frankly

00:23:17.760 you know this morning i got up and uh joe warmington uh toronto sun article if you get

00:23:23.280 a chance to listen to it he did an interesting article and he's like okay we're we're now

00:23:29.440 working with india to bring in skilled trades and then one of the ambassadors or one of the

00:23:36.160 delegates uh to canada uh from india came and saying you know we could have 15 million people

00:23:42.080 and then all of a sudden i'm like oh my goodness we shouldn't be saying like for the unemployed

00:23:47.120 canadians that are sitting there thinking i need jobs right is it a good time to be saying

00:23:53.280 i don't think it is right because then they're going to be saying that i'm going to get upset

00:23:56.880 if you're going to open up the immigration and all these things are going to happen again and

00:24:00.640 it just adds tension to the system that we don't need and in this case these are the tensions that

00:24:06.400 come up and then all of a sudden you know you see protests right and even outside of the the

00:24:12.400 skilled worker stuff as well you start to see even if let's say they opened it back up to

00:24:18.560 international students and stuff as well well those institutions like prioritizing them because they

00:24:24.320 spend more on tuition than a domestic student and then so you end up having pressures that don't

00:24:29.440 allow them to take the path that they want and then even further we actually just saw as well

00:24:35.120 right osap osap right yeah osap getting pulled and well again this is a great example of creating a

00:24:43.840 system that you would think would be beneficial at the start but then if you allow it to be

00:24:50.160 overtaken by fraudulent behavior which it seemingly has um then it gets to the point

00:24:56.480 where you just have if you let it get out of control so bad then you just have to shut it

00:25:00.640 down completely like they have right and so even that when it comes to canadian students in youth

00:25:06.800 that's going to cause a lot more issues there as well on on a double pressure point where you're

00:25:12.480 talking about on the employment side but then also on the education side it's going like what

00:25:16.880 what is the path here for me right we need to be strategic on how we deal with all these programs

00:25:21.840 because they are all interrelated right and this is you know and i'm talking when we're talking

00:25:25.920 about france and the fact that they're getting a high debt load they can't spend money on education

00:25:31.040 and schools and they can't do this therefore they let them run down like one policy affects the

00:25:36.080 other policy and next thing you know a group of young people who their voices are you know they're

00:25:42.080 learning they're they're starting they're developing so quite frankly they're frustrated

00:25:46.880 they're frustrated because they still haven't made their way in the world i you know i tell 0.96

00:25:51.040 this story all the time were my 20s great no no they sucked right they really did suck i worked 0.53

00:25:58.720 super hard i had a hard time getting traction i worked for some really tough bosses quite frankly

00:26:04.960 that just you know weren't nice to deal with for the most part um you know and i i felt quite

00:26:12.080 frankly that my uh ability to achieve in this country is at that time was really limited uh

00:26:18.800 with a bunch of other things so you know it's a tough time was that was that the general outlook

00:26:23.680 at that time yes just that in terms of looking at the country looking at the country as a whole

00:26:30.480 they didn't think it was on the upswing no no we were all leaving so yeah so i mentioned to you

00:26:36.320 uh i came up as a chartered accountant and so the one thing that they were very cognizant above to

00:26:41.600 get people to actually stay in an article to do it was the ability to leave right so if you were

00:26:48.000 you know you could go work in Bermuda or you could go work in you could disappear into other

00:26:52.400 countries and that was the total upsell to get people to go into accounting at that time was

00:26:57.680 the fact that you could actually go work in another country right right right because your

00:27:02.280 your ability to with the the high tax burden with you know you guys talk about all the time with

00:27:08.340 housing costs and everything else it was very tough uh even even getting married at an early age

00:27:14.820 you still had a tough time with double incomes to actually hurdle so that's why a lot of us

00:27:20.880 quite frankly did leave at at one point your time hey before we go any further please hit the

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00:27:37.580 want to miss what happens behind the paywall all right back to the show right yeah and yeah having

00:27:42.780 that light at the end of the tunnel that you can be hopeful for and that makes all of that struggle

00:27:48.860 essentially worth it is is key because as we're seeing now if that youth if there's no light at

00:27:56.460 the end of the tunnel then the youth just sit there and go why why go forward at all and then

00:28:01.740 that as we're talking about now what are the consequences of that of a demoralized youth even

00:28:06.620 And when you look at the happiness reports,

00:28:10.360 we've done a past show on that, right?

00:28:12.780 Where obviously it's something that is tough to measure.

00:28:17.160 It's all just self-reported.

00:28:19.220 And one person's idea of happiness

00:28:21.120 is completely different than another.

00:28:23.480 However, if you look at the trajectory of the youth

00:28:26.360 in specific in Canada,

00:28:28.520 I think we ranked around 25th in the world overall. 1.00

00:28:31.960 But if you took out the older population

00:28:34.180 and only factored in the youth,

00:28:35.980 we would have dropped to about 75 and so yeah like then also okay a decade from now what's the

00:28:42.420 consequences of a an entire generation that doesn't want to apply themselves because they don't see

00:28:49.540 hope yep well okay when they're 30 and 40 years old and they're expected to be essentially the

00:28:56.240 middle managers of the economy what does that look like when you're when you're mature class

00:29:02.260 so to say never got there well you have to immigrate people in who yeah can get there

00:29:07.060 and that then therefore you're changing your whole but but that's the the the challenge right

00:29:12.260 and that's what they're people are flagging it now which is good i think the conversation is a

00:29:18.020 good conversation to have it's the right timing is okay let's figure out what we're doing with

00:29:23.940 the people that are here now right let's before we jump into bringing thousands and millions of

00:29:30.420 people into the country from other countries let's figure out you know the transition from

00:29:36.180 if we're gonna if we're gonna if we need more doctors quite frankly let's go to people that

00:29:41.140 don't have a hundred percent scores on their you know high school and uh first and second year

00:29:47.940 university courses let's go to people who have 90 and let them have a chance to go to med school

00:29:53.780 let's look at you know people who uh creating different types of engineers directed at jobs

00:30:01.700 that we need maybe in defense like you know let's try to narrow down people and where they're going

00:30:08.180 and what they can work on and opportunities who's here who has skill sets we can maneuver into those

00:30:14.260 areas and direct them because you can't just abandon them or leave them and start to bring

00:30:19.220 people in from other places and other countries uh it's going to frustrate people and oh yeah and

00:30:25.300 that builds that powder keg it builds that powder keg and that you know i i start to worry about

00:30:29.700 that you know i'm listening to and you know this is another protest i'm i'm listening to you know

00:30:37.220 this whole uh cornell seven and you know it's interesting and you know uh i i'll

00:30:45.460 disclose it right up front i have no opinion of this

00:30:49.220 right because I can't because I can't get any truth on it and when I and I you listen I listened

00:30:57.140 to uh Megyn Kelly and Tucker Carlson and then I listened to uh the other side you know uh uh

00:31:06.420 Letta James and and all those people and I'm saying okay these are two opposite opinions of

00:31:11.300 an incident that happened I have no idea I can form an opinion on quite frankly you know you

00:31:16.580 see the new york post putting all kinds of text messages and then you see the new york times

00:31:20.740 putting text messages and you're reading them and you're going okay these messages don't seem to be

00:31:25.380 the same um but then a bunch of people start protesting and again you know it's it's an

00:31:32.420 incident that's starting to cause them to get upset about a number of other issues and again

00:31:38.180 it's that powder gig again right it's creating that powder gig based on you know which appears

00:31:44.660 to be just a terrible incident between a bunch of people but it can is that the thing that then

00:31:51.620 steamrolls into another incident to your point and then brings a bunch of left-wing groups that

00:31:56.260 attach to that one that then ties that one it's just like okay where are we going with this now

00:32:01.860 you know and that's where these things start and they get going and you know we saw even in canada

00:32:08.660 there's some groups that actually have you know uh they've started to protest the same thing

00:32:15.380 and like okay where are they going you know i get where they're going but

00:32:20.020 oh and yeah it all ends up back at that systemic change and even to when it came to say for

00:32:27.380 instance the lindsey clancy case you ended up seeing that as well where you have this yeah one

00:32:33.380 case which is about a mom murdering her three children and then that quickly becomes a

00:32:41.940 discussion in the entire topic around it is about what social institutions do we need to rework

00:32:49.780 to make sure and get more funding to and create and what bureaucracy and which which support and

00:32:54.820 social funding do we need in order to make sure this doesn't happen again and so you all of a

00:32:59.060 sudden have this one isolated incident whether it's that whether it's the cornell seven or then

00:33:04.500 all of a sudden it blows up into this oh yeah how do we change society from the top down and yeah

00:33:11.220 that seems to be the that seems to be the central question and then all of these incidents themselves

00:33:19.140 just become vessels for that conversation to happen did you see how many people showed up

00:33:24.340 to protest that which one uh the james the oh lindsay clancy sorry yeah did you say i was shocked

00:33:31.620 i was shocked yeah yeah you look at that what are we doing oh yeah i was i was shocked when i did

00:33:37.700 because that is one word they did show the outside and i you know most of the time i don't believe

00:33:42.020 the numbers i was looking i'm going oh that's way more people than i thought yeah into yeah i was

00:33:46.500 like i was bizarre from all over the country for all over the united states yeah very controversial

00:33:51.620 you know uh legal decision but but i was shocked how many people had impacted and how many people

00:33:57.220 came with issues related correlated unrelated and around that that actually formed into

00:34:04.340 stand outside that courthouse oh yeah it becomes it becomes a collective identity in a sense and

00:34:09.300 that's what mass movements are and actually if you want a great example of how this plays out

00:34:14.900 historically go look at Mao's cultural revolution back in the 1960s and the students the youth were

00:34:22.660 the main weaponization of that and he specifically sent them against the four olds which were old

00:34:31.380 customs old habits old ideas and old traditions and tear all of this down the the past social order

00:34:39.780 and yeah what you ended up seeing was mobs of people descend into society and it was same kind

00:34:46.740 of thing it was okay now i've got these this radicalized group and then i can just point

00:34:51.460 them in whatever direction i want and that that played out exactly that way and it's very it's

00:34:56.420 very hard not to see the um the the overlap between the instances playing out today and

00:35:05.220 Mao's cultural revolution but part of that is the collective identity as you're pointing out to

00:35:12.180 where you see whether it's the Lindsay Clancy stuff whether it's the Cornell 7 you see people

00:35:16.660 wearing these shirts I am Lindsay Clancy or I am Jane Doe it's like they don't see it as a

00:35:22.500 instance that is separate from them but something that they are directly involved in

00:35:26.760 and yeah once that starts happening I think the uh I think the the mass movement front becomes

00:35:32.980 pretty pretty dangerous yeah yeah well you know again you know who knows in that case the movement

00:35:40.580 who knows what the truth is yeah at some point at some point we're gonna you know end up uh

00:35:46.500 you know the um the duke lacrosse team was a good so in my lifetime i remember that because

00:35:54.420 quite frankly uh that came out totally terrible for those lacrosse players right the way that

00:36:00.580 came out that one i'm not too familiar with well just a case of um you know an allegation that

00:36:05.620 actually got a bunch of people kicked out of school you know based on same thing sexual assault

00:36:10.500 and and ended up quite frankly ruining a lot of their lives and then turned out to be false in

00:36:16.020 the end right so it turned out not to be what the allegations were unproven and quite frankly

00:36:21.940 uh but it was too late so therefore you know you got to learn in that case time out

00:36:27.380 again those mobs you talk about that actually get wound up and go out and kind of get excited and

00:36:32.980 start to move um and form momentum that's a challenge sometimes and you got to be careful

00:36:41.140 we how you address that and i know it's interesting because i looked at that before we came in and i

00:36:45.940 said okay you know the you look at the cornell uh faculty uh senate was supposed to meet um

00:36:54.260 on october 14th and do a non-confidence vote so they're supposed to you know do it they've

00:37:00.260 deferred that um and they've pushed it off to the end of the month so they've kind of said okay we

00:37:06.100 need to so you know you can see all the doubts around this so you're now saying okay maybe it's

00:37:10.580 time to have cooler heads prevail get some uh allow the process to go through and see what the

00:37:16.100 outcome really is right and then report on the outcome and then everyone can react how they want

00:37:20.180 want to react because that's, you know, they're a free country or, you know, both in North America,

00:37:26.080 U.S. and Canada. So, you know, then people can take their stance and protest and do it,

00:37:31.500 which they all have the right to do. But, you know, jumping into it and getting out there and

00:37:36.100 starting to create protests and momentum and then, you know, people shouting and fighting and trying

00:37:42.800 to get their views out before you know the truth. That's a tough thing to do. Yeah. And that's

00:37:47.700 inherent with these movements especially in the youth i look back to my late teen years and early

00:37:53.720 20s was i a highly rational person no um and so that's a characteristic of of these groups which

00:38:02.880 is that it's pure feeling it's your it's it's the exact same psychological function that leads to

00:38:09.900 you know burning something down after your favorite sports team loses it's like you're not

00:38:14.100 coming to a rational conclusion and then that's informing your emotions that you then act out

00:38:19.780 it's like you have the emotional position and then that is hijacking your rationality to the

00:38:25.940 point that you're talking about where the truth doesn't actually matter i have a feeling and then

00:38:30.180 the the information that i'm going to parse out is whether it supports this feeling i have or

00:38:36.040 whether it doesn't and then yeah things just spiral out of control because you just have a

00:38:41.260 feedback mechanism where everybody is feeding on that that central emotion so now often rage yeah

00:38:47.640 well exactly and now now you have it's interesting because now you have educational institutions in

00:38:54.340 the middle of this right so it's interesting to see because you know this is where young people

00:38:57.980 traditionally are but now you have them so now it you know here it's interesting you look at

00:39:03.140 what's happening across Canada now you have uh colleges closing you have universities struggling

00:39:10.780 you have all these things happening and now you have this environment quite frankly where

00:39:15.160 as you and I talked before the show you know people are going to make uh you know a decision

00:39:21.920 are the risks of now going to a college or a university combined with the potential outcomes

00:39:30.200 or the potential ability to get a job worth it they was all they were already that decision

00:39:34.620 has already struggled now so you know to no osap you know quite frankly we talked about in ontario

00:39:42.860 you know financing becoming harder to get to the higher education um you know to get to colleges

00:39:49.020 and universities and then can i get a job when i leave can i get it repaid uh jim lang and i just

00:39:55.660 did a show it's a very interesting show um about housing and the fact that if you want to buy a

00:40:00.940 house now you you can't go to university and or if you do go to university you need to figure out a

00:40:07.260 way to do it part-time and get a job and make sure you have no loans coming out of university if you

00:40:13.100 have an ability to hop to get a down payment to get a mortgage ad when we ran the numbers at 700

00:40:19.660 000 or 750 or something like that but so we kind of ran down the math and then we went backwards

00:40:25.260 and he are you know he's arguing you know you need this social integration in your life to

00:40:29.820 go through college and i basically argued it didn't really matter because

00:40:33.900 by having that social integration you never have a home right and so into actually into your point

00:40:39.500 one thing that comes into the cost benefit analysis of sending to university okay social

00:40:46.620 integration potentially that is a good thing and historically when we look at universities

00:40:53.100 or higher education or just school in general that was their function was to inculcate people

00:41:00.700 into that culture hey here's our history here's what you know we need to do and then you specialize

00:41:05.740 as you get further along in education but now our education is actually hostile to our social

00:41:12.700 structure it's all about deconstructing these things oh you know we've got this historical

00:41:19.260 racist oppressive past and therefore we need to fundamentally rechange these institutions and

00:41:24.940 actually i had a great conversation with uh the religious professor at university of michigan

00:41:31.020 recently and he was kind of making that point where he goes like what are we doing here where

00:41:36.300 we're now putting students to and we're driving them to be at odds with their society this is the

00:41:43.500 like complete inverse function of social integration yeah it's like more like social

00:41:49.180 radicalization yeah yeah and you know it's interesting you say that lean because you know

00:41:54.620 my my discussion with jim i was like i bypassed all that so i kind of told him my story and you

00:41:59.820 know i kind of picked up on you know even in my generation i picked up on that early on and i was

00:42:05.260 like no no i know i have to get i know in order for me to kind of get into a better place in my

00:42:10.780 life from where i grew up and uh you know better do better than what my family did i i needed to

00:42:16.220 hop faster so i needed to be in play and working and everything else and that's the rationale that

00:42:21.580 i used to get there looking at all the dynamics of people that were around me and the things they

00:42:26.940 were doing that it saw as non-productive and also harmful so i looked at it and said okay this harm

00:42:32.300 why do i want to do something that harms myself for the future i just want to bypass that so

00:42:36.780 so that's why i made the decisions i made but you know it does make you now you know again we're

00:42:42.540 we're we're looking at all the things that are happening and you're thinking i i don't know do

00:42:47.580 do i want my kids do i want do i want my kids part of that and quite frankly is it productive

00:42:53.500 for them to be part of that and when they do exit out of it is it going to be helpful for them to

00:42:59.020 set them up for a better life than than i have and if the answer is no then then that makes you

00:43:04.940 question the risk of spending the money taking the time and and i think we're layering that on

00:43:09.900 now i think all these conversations you know we think about what we started off today we started

00:43:14.140 off we started off in france with a height with a high school who then got five groups to join them

00:43:20.860 from left to university we we went into india which basically with uh unfortunately fixed

00:43:29.340 medical exams that weren't on the up and up and then created a huge you know uh election scandal

00:43:36.940 and then we ended up in the u.s with a sexual assault alleged sexual assault that quite frankly

00:43:43.420 you know is tearing that university apart so is any of this like like you know if you're looking

00:43:51.500 at it you're thinking is any of this really good for the institutions and therefore people in them

00:43:56.940 and the people in them and and so then you're kind of it's been a couple articles i've read

00:44:02.140 recently where i say is this the end of is is the this the end of college university and higher

00:44:08.700 learning i think unless it unless it does a complete 180 on the philosophical principles

00:44:14.620 underlying it and yeah when you look at even to public school and stuff the the trends of parents

00:44:21.740 homeschooling i have somebody close to me that took over on homeschooling just looking at the

00:44:26.620 way that classes are run now even the you know for instance take aside the curriculum itself

00:44:33.580 even just the classroom dynamics where there might be one problem child but we can't kick that kid

00:44:38.700 out of the class anymore we need to actually tailor the class to make sure that that kid gets

00:44:42.940 what what they need and then therefore my kid isn't actually paying attention anymore because

00:44:48.140 the entire class is around this one problem child and then yeah so people pulling their students out

00:44:54.780 of there but even in france as well when you look at the the the high schoolers i believe the number

00:45:00.860 was that over the last decade test scores i can't remember if this was test scores overall or test

00:45:06.460 scores within a specific metric um but they had dropped 43 over the last decade and i know similar

00:45:13.900 numbers came out in regard to canadian public schools recently and then so yeah you look at

00:45:19.660 the social aspect even the university of guelph had their you know their big homecoming

00:45:25.980 and obviously homecomings are always a little crazy but this one same thing cops riot gear

00:45:32.220 beer bottles being thrown at cars this and that and it's just like all right so do i see this

00:45:38.460 social integration making them into a more mature and responsible adult probably not

00:45:44.380 and then even when they go to class and they're actually in the learning environment

00:45:48.300 Are they getting an education that's worth the money?

00:45:51.300 Probably not.

00:45:52.300 And then so I think this is all as we were talking about

00:45:55.900 in regard to all of these cases, it's a much larger problem

00:46:00.360 that funnels into just institutional trust and collapse in general.

00:46:05.660 Yeah.

00:46:06.000 You know what, Liam, you know, just before we end, I just want to

00:46:09.940 because I think it's a good discussion,

00:46:11.240 but I think it's a good discussion for our leaders to have

00:46:14.360 about all the strategies that tie in together.

00:46:17.100 And, you know, whether it's the educational system and potential, you know, how it's collapsing, our immigration system, our trades unions and training systems, like I really think it's a good time or it's an important time to revisit all those and try to figure out a strategy because just doing them one off, you're starting to see the strategies collide, you know, sideways.

00:46:42.680 they're you know I don't think they're they're not um ill-intentioned announcements they're

00:46:50.680 announcements that are being made in a silo where I don't think sometimes they're thinking about the

00:46:56.500 consequences of other things and I think quite frankly because governments are such a big ship

00:47:00.660 and they turn so slow a lot of times you know they collide into another ship because they can't stop

00:47:06.880 at some point at some point they can't turn and they're just not turning fast enough to not hit

00:47:11.640 each other and you're starting to see a little bit of that so when you read these when you're

00:47:15.480 going through and you're going through these protests you're like okay time out you know

00:47:18.840 we're a peaceful society we do very good getting along with each other multiple cultures we really

00:47:23.780 need to kind of stop and say okay how's this one going to affect this one um if we're going to

00:47:28.360 change immigration policies how they how do they affect education unemployment rates of youth how

00:47:33.820 do they all tie together and who is having that conversation on a on a global countrywide basis

00:47:40.580 yeah like who is having that conversation because i'm not hearing that conversation right now so i

00:47:45.160 do i do hope quite frankly you know we got the referendum there's a lot of stuff in the next few

00:47:52.080 days right so we got the referendum coming up in alberta i hope when the referendum's done

00:47:56.180 and all the you know rah rah good news i hope there's they stay in i hope you know we kind of

00:48:02.180 turn our attention to some of these other announcements and say okay you know how do

00:48:06.520 they start to move together because you know what we're seeing in France and people getting hurt

00:48:11.080 young people getting killed and the uh them getting disenchanted and disengaged with societies

00:48:17.260 we have to stop yeah I completely agree thanks Liam of course all the best 1.00

True Patriot Love - October 16, 2026

What’s Really Fueling the Rise of Student Protests？

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