True Patriot Love - Woke Is Broke？ The Collapse of Cancel Culture

00:00:00.000 I've been described as silly, Viking-like, by my wife often, grosero or rude, but I don't think 0.96

00:00:21.480 I've ever been described as woke, sadly. I don't think that I ever really, I tried, I wanted to 0.90

00:00:27.760 be part of society, but it didn't really take with me. Today we're talking about woke is broke

00:00:34.560 and trying to get a handle on it together, understanding where we are in this process.

00:00:41.040 Paul Micucci, Mike Wixen, thank you so much for joining us. Don't forget to subscribe and

00:00:46.160 tell a friend. They probably share an opinion with us as well.

00:00:50.160 Oh, I hope so. I'm sure they have lots, Mike. You know, this topic has been spiraling around

00:00:55.120 quite some time. Yeah, and you know, it's so funny that you say some time because,

00:00:59.120 you know, we're doing our research and looking back on this to see where woke began.

00:01:03.200 Yeah, 1938, you were telling me a few minutes ago.

00:01:07.120 That's wild. Yeah, yeah. Well, it probably had a reason for it, right? There probably was,

00:01:11.520 you know, the racial divide in the country, you know, U.S. and Canada. I know, you know,

00:01:16.720 I was telling you the story about when we came to Canada, you know, there were signs downtown

00:01:20.720 that Italians weren't allowed in stores. It was after the war. You know, so the racial divide,

00:01:27.440 even for no one with a physical difference, was quite wide. So, you know, we had to address it.

00:01:35.040 And I think woke was, you know, came from the African-American terminology dealing with racial

00:01:40.960 and social divides, mostly in the U.S. at the time. So, yeah, sure. It made sense at the time.

00:01:45.760 For sure. And a very useful ideology. I mean, but at that time, it was a mass change, a large sea

00:01:58.080 change in the sense that everybody was becoming one. We did that then. We've accepted, I think, 0.74

00:02:07.120 by and large, humanity is whoever comes into society, whether they need help or they're useful

00:02:13.440 or superstars or whatever. Yeah. That was useful. It took us a long way.

00:02:18.400 Yeah. Oh, sure. And I think, you know, you can criticize all the immigration we've done in the

00:02:22.400 last 10 years. But one of the things it has done is it made us very diverse, even more diverse than

00:02:27.520 we have ever been. Right. So I never had Nepalese food before. Yeah. Do you know how good Nepalese,

00:02:34.080 what you do? I do. I married a Nepalese. It is so delicious. Anyway. Yeah. No,

00:02:38.720 diversity brings a great deal of friendships and understanding and knowledge. We have good ideas

00:02:45.600 together. Yeah. But I don't think woke was really what that was all about. You know, this modern day

00:02:52.880 woke and I kind of pinpointed it. Maybe you can actually help me out on this. Sure. I kind of

00:02:57.840 pinpointed it to the George Floyd protest. And who did you? Oh, you even said Rodney King. Yeah.

00:03:06.800 Rodney King. Further back. Right. I think. Well, that lit the fires. Yeah. Yeah. Around,

00:03:11.360 you know, I lived through OJ Simpson, Rodney King, you know, you did too. So, and I think quite frankly,

00:03:16.720 you know, that was, you know, the hotbed of it at the time, you know, and it brought a lot of issues to

00:03:24.080 bear. I think it was great. You know, and it was good. It did. It was bad. And we saw some ugly

00:03:28.320 things in that time, but we also addressed the issue. And I, I think that's been good. And,

00:03:33.280 you know, now as we, it's funny, you and I went, I was thinking about this as we were preparing for

00:03:37.840 the show. We just got back from Calgary. So we were out in Calgary. And I think we had a perception of

00:03:42.720 what we were going to see in Calgary. We were going to go there. And I think we were going to,

00:03:46.240 we're going to see a mostly Caucasian population that still was set in a very conservative framework.

00:03:53.040 And we got there and we like, oh, wow, this looks like Toronto.

00:03:56.560 Very much. Yeah, really. Diversity is there. And once again, by and large, as Canadians,

00:04:03.200 diversity works for us. I see it working all the time in the States, diversity works all the time.

00:04:11.600 There isn't massive divides that cause civil strife here, sometimes on topics or on something going

00:04:19.680 else in the world, but going on else around the world, that's not right here at home. But I don't

00:04:26.080 see a huge amount of divide. I see more integrated diversity in Canada and the U.S. than you do in

00:04:33.040 most parts of the world. Yeah. So, you know, before COVID, you know, before COVID, after COVID,

00:04:39.120 that's how we talk now. Yeah. But before COVID, I was telling you the story, I was still doing a lot

00:04:43.360 of work down the U.S. and with U.S. companies. And it was very interesting how the culture in the U.S.

00:04:49.120 at that time was much different than, I guess, today, you know, with the change of government.

00:04:54.160 But, you know, so much so that, quite frankly, meetings were even hard. So you'd go to a meeting

00:05:01.600 and no one would be saying anything. So, you know, I would fly down into Atlantic City and to Florida

00:05:06.880 and all these places, and I'd have these meetings. And it was very cloaked and very, like, reserved.

00:05:13.760 And you'd go to a meeting and people were starting, you know, they were calling each other Mr. Smith

00:05:18.000 and Mr. Bob and all these people. But, you know, they were very formal and they were very exact,

00:05:24.000 and which was good. It's almost the Robert's Rules of Order. Exactly.

00:05:27.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and we're running a government. And the CEO would show up, you know,

00:05:32.400 and he'd have his crew of, you know, diverse people, you know, a woman, an African-American man,

00:05:39.440 and the HR person with him all the time. And, you know, you'd be like, holy cow, like, this is very

00:05:44.400 interesting the way we're conducting this. And a lot of the meetings, even you were told before you went

00:05:49.280 into that were taped, right? So you'd be like, okay, I get it. But I'm like, what are we doing?

00:05:55.200 Also, that feels more in like an interrogation, like, okay, we're expecting you to blow up this

00:06:00.640 meeting so badly, you will offend everybody in the room, and cause us a potential lawsuit.

00:06:06.640 Exactly. So I thought it was a meeting.

00:06:08.560 So we're securing ourselves. So, you know, really hard to be creative, because you're,

00:06:12.320 right, you know, you're sitting there, forget, you know, comedy, you don't even,

00:06:15.840 telling a joke, you never did. You were, you're almost told right away, when you went down, you'd say,

00:06:20.400 listen, we don't, maybe after work, you know, if you're with someone that you really trust,

00:06:26.800 you'll tell a joke, right? But quite frankly, we don't tell a joke, we don't have,

00:06:32.160 and it was, it was, you know, it was, it was weird.

00:06:35.200 It was just a set of social credit score, where you fell in that room. And it's interesting

00:06:41.680 that you say that, because then COVID arrives, and woke got an injection, not just a vaccine,

00:06:50.800 it got a full injection of energy, because suddenly, if you were questioning anything to do with medical

00:06:58.080 treatment, COVID overall, where the virus came from, you know, you were anti-Asian, you were,

00:07:05.840 you know, defying the government, you were a conspiracy theorist, you were killing our grandparents.

00:07:13.280 Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. So woke kind of progressed past, so, you know, woke was kind of created as a

00:07:19.840 racial and social kind of parameter to keep it into check. It was a system that people were talking

00:07:25.200 about. And then all of a sudden, it eliminated, right? And it became, it became about health and

00:07:31.040 wellness. And so we kind of took that, and we morphed it. And we decided to basically

00:07:39.280 strengthen it for some reason. Yeah. Right. And, and, and that was kind of through,

00:07:44.400 you know, and I'm not blaming Democrats, I'm not blaming liberals. I think it was kind of a

00:07:50.320 culture that took place, because it was self empowering to certain groups, and certain

00:07:56.480 groups wanted it to keep growing. You know, you and I were talking about HR departments, right?

00:08:03.200 Earlier on, you know, HR was great, quite frankly, you know, it was job security for any HR department,

00:08:10.000 is the HR departments went from a single person to a team. Yeah. You know, and constantly putting

00:08:16.080 new programs out, reassessing how humanity deals with each other. Yeah, let's go to training.

00:08:22.320 All of this training comes into place. Yeah. And then everybody gets sent home. So now

00:08:27.760 all of this is being applied on zoom. Yeah. And we're all focused at the screens all day,

00:08:32.720 getting ready to cancel the next person. Yep. And that's what started kind of next. Maybe I'm wrong.

00:08:38.080 Maybe the woke, the woke culture began and that felt like, okay, we're going to battle for people

00:08:44.320 who need us to stand up for them. That seemed to be an easy, and a certain number of people will get

00:08:50.320 on that. And they'll be like, yes, we all need to vaccinate. Yes, we all need to, to stay in place.

00:08:56.800 We, we all need to do something as a society. And I can see that being, that seems normal to me.

00:09:04.080 Yeah. But after reason and understanding and knowledge comes back into play and everybody,

00:09:11.360 the dust settles, what remains of woke seems a little silly. You know what I mean? And all that's

00:09:20.160 left is that momentum of cancellation, that momentum of who can we take down next? And I don't think most

00:09:27.040 of humanity, I think it's a, it's a human nature, but I don't think most of us act on that. And I think

00:09:32.160 that's where woke is starting to come undone right now. Yeah, I think it did. Well, and I think this,

00:09:36.240 what we're doing right now, podcasting, you know, and, and we all know, because he's, he's so famous

00:09:41.440 right now, Joe Rogan. I don't, I've never heard of him. Yeah, he changed it, right? He did. Well,

00:09:47.840 I think the attack on him and what was going on and people just said, time out, you know, we need to look

00:09:52.960 at this because this is crazy how we're eliminating this person from society because he has an alternative view.

00:09:58.480 Um, and then, you know, uh, his, you know, legendary, uh, interview, uh, with Donald Trump,

00:10:06.560 yeah, where, you know, they just got on and chatted the whole, you know, 50 some odd million

00:10:12.720 people's tuned in to listen. And from there, you know, after the election, you know, he got in and

00:10:19.360 he just said, we're going to eliminate it. Well, take a look at Tucker Carlson. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

00:10:24.720 I don't know. I didn't even know that you could say something on Fox that would get you fired,

00:10:28.560 but there he goes. And now he's, he and Joe Rogan and, you know, two or three others

00:10:34.080 in America really are enormous globally. Yeah. Where Fox has taken them to a certain

00:10:43.120 place in life and then stunted them and then eliminated them. They're now doing amazing stuff

00:10:49.120 that would never have been imagined by those networks that were based on cancel culture,

00:10:53.920 that were so afraid to say the wrong, have the wrong personality or the wrong mix of people.

00:10:59.600 Um, they were doing those meetings I talked to you about, right? Where, and that's where they didn't

00:11:03.440 fit. You know, honestly, they just, those guys just didn't fit in the mold and thank God they didn't

00:11:08.480 like, you know, we were all lucky that that actually didn't happen. And I think a younger generation,

00:11:13.120 you know, honestly, Mike, I think now you have millennials and Gen X, they're, they're a little 1.00

00:11:18.080 smarter and they look more, um, they investigate things more, right? They're more, uh, they're,

00:11:23.360 they're online, they're researching. I think it's harder now, right? I think, uh, you know,

00:11:28.720 the generations, uh, our generation and above, I think they just took it, uh, blind faith when they

00:11:35.120 were told, you know, you should do this and you should do that. Um, this generation isn't, 0.93

00:11:39.840 and then I think that's great. They're digging in and they're looking at it. They're taking their

00:11:43.600 own opinion. When, when the election was going on, we were out there, uh, and we, you know,

00:11:48.240 we spoke to, I think you might recall, we spoke to some youth in, in a number of parts of this country

00:11:54.080 that were activated by things that were not of the woke culture, which by the way is what it became,

00:12:00.880 a culture. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah, for sure. Well, it's interesting, you know, there,

00:12:04.960 the erosion of public trust, right? In institutions, you know, really started to happen after the,

00:12:10.320 at the end of COVID, right? So by the end of COVID, we're all sitting there and we're saying,

00:12:14.480 I don't know if I should have got this shot, you know, and then maybe, maybe I'm going to have a

00:12:18.000 heart attack, you know, maybe, maybe like Ron Johnson, the center in the US, you know, maybe I'm

00:12:22.400 going to lose my hearing in my left ear, right? Because I took the COVID shot and everyone's going, ah,

00:12:27.440 you know, pros, cons. I don't know if it was for me. Um, you know, should I have given it to my kid?

00:12:32.400 Boy, did I ever get behind it though? Didn't I? Yikes. One of the ones that stuck out in my mind

00:12:37.520 in the way of cancel culture was, ah, and, and I think this lit a huge fire. I think this is where

00:12:43.200 the beginning of the end of woke, if we, if that's where we're headed, this is maybe that moment where

00:12:50.160 the, ah, the TSN turning point, the Fonz jumped the truck, jumped the shark. Yep. And by the way,

00:12:56.080 I don't think we're supposed to say jump the shark anymore for some reason. I, I remember that in,

00:12:59.760 in a radio discussion. No, you can't say jump the shark because then the, the dolphins feel excluded.

00:13:06.320 Uh, but Dylan Mulvaney, the Bud Light backlash, I think was really that marker. Yeah. Where we were

00:13:12.160 like, okay. Kid Rock with the machine gun and the, the lawnmower. Yeah. I'll be honest with you. I don't

00:13:19.760 know if Kid Rock should have weaponry. I do think it's okay for people to have weapons, but maybe not

00:13:24.480 Kid Rock, he seems to be, uh, uh, a little bit, uh, off the deep end and loose and goose. Yeah. But,

00:13:31.360 uh, I think that was a moment when, uh, and by the way, if you forget Dylan Mulvaney obviously was,

00:13:36.240 uh, featured as, you know, a transgender member of the community and a Bud Light fan. Yeah. And the

00:13:42.000 reaction to that from people who didn't think that was necessary, uh, was enormous. It wasn't that people

00:13:49.440 didn't like Dylan. It wasn't that people didn't respect Dylan Mulvaney. They just thought, wow,

00:13:56.080 this is pandering. Oh yeah. Just to virtue signaling. Yeah, exactly. Why do we care?

00:14:02.320 Right. No, we don't. You know, we were talking about this earlier. Like I don't talk about my

00:14:08.080 sexuality in public. I really appreciate that on behalf of all of us. Thank you. And I'm going to

00:14:15.360 try to stop talking about mine. Okay. Yeah. But you're right. I, why is it even an issue? Why is

00:14:21.440 somebody's sexuality, anybody else's business, especially when it comes to a brand in this day

00:14:27.200 and age, I'm bored. You're not going to shock me with anyone's sexuality at this moment that we've

00:14:32.160 heard everything. Right. So why are we still talking about it? And it just seems like we passed that

00:14:37.600 stage. Right. You know, I get it. You know, if we're coming out of the fifties and this is kind of

00:14:42.160 new and something that people haven't seen before, well, we got through that seventies,

00:14:47.200 I don't think people cared either. You know, we've also forgotten. Okay. Uh, Dylan Mulvaney,

00:14:52.800 you look like a man, you're, you are a woman, you identify as a woman or you identify as a man,

00:14:58.480 great, but you're not okay. And I accept that that's fine. However, there was a time in society where

00:15:06.080 if I, I'll give you an example. If I opened my car door and it opened like a Tesla,

00:15:13.600 but it was a Honda, you would say to me, that's weird, man. How did you do that? Like,

00:15:19.040 what's that all about? Yeah. It would, it would inspire questions. And I would say to you,

00:15:24.560 do you like it? No, not necessarily, but I'm curious how you got to this place with this door

00:15:31.440 opening this way where it's not supposed to. Yeah. Oh, okay. We had dialogue and I say to you,

00:15:38.240 Hey man, if you ever decide that you change your mind and you want a door like this,

00:15:42.000 I know where you can get it done. Yeah. Not likely, but okay. That was interesting. Thanks for your time.

00:15:47.120 Yeah. Done. Right. We're past it. You know, I guess, you know, there's, are there many things on the

00:15:53.760 sexuality side that actually shock you anymore? Show of hands. How bad was my analogy? Very bad.

00:16:00.000 Okay. Sorry about that. Yeah. My apologies. No worries. No, no. But you know, there's not many,

00:16:07.760 there's not too much in the world that actually shocks me when I hear it anymore. So quite frankly,

00:16:12.880 I'd rather not talk about it. There's other things, you know, I'm spending my time trying to get

00:16:17.360 from A to B now. Right. Yeah. So quite frankly, what your sexuality is or what your race is or what

00:16:24.400 anything is, no, no offense. I really don't care. So if you're helping me get there and we're doing

00:16:30.000 it kind of in a happy way, it's kind of what I care about at this point. And I think pretty much

00:16:35.440 everyone else is the same. Yeah. If we could put that aside, that might even be cumbersome that we

00:16:39.840 don't need it in our way. This discussion, this thought, these are thoughts I wasn't even having. I was

00:16:44.560 thinking about how collectively we all get to be. Yeah, exactly. And I think that's where we've gotten

00:16:51.920 to, you know, and, and, you know, woken it's in its original origin, quite frankly, probably didn't

00:16:59.200 even contemplate that it contemplated more of a racial divide. Yeah. And I think quite frankly,

00:17:04.400 with diversity, you know, we kind of did, we woke ourselves out. I think we talked about that earlier,

00:17:10.000 too. You know, did diversity actually over time just neutralize the, the original definition of

00:17:17.760 wokeness? I'm, uh, I, I think that I, I don't even remember anybody referring to anybody's, uh,

00:17:26.800 ethnicity at all recent, in recent days, to be honest with you, unless it was in a complimentary

00:17:33.200 cultural way. Yeah. And a storytelling. So, you know, you know, in Canada, we tell a lot of stories

00:17:38.400 about our backgrounds and where we come from and, you know, our origin, our culture, but we do it

00:17:44.080 kind of in a fun, playful, you know, it's not meant to be harmful. It's actually kind of educational. So

00:17:49.520 we all learn from each other and, uh, you know, I haven't been in an environment where anyone,

00:17:55.840 you know, since I guess you're going to laugh, you know, I was trying to think through it as we're

00:18:00.080 talking probably since kind of the elimination of the bar. Really? Yeah. You know, before COVID,

00:18:07.840 you know, bars kind of remember sports bars and all that, they kind of disappeared out of our culture.

00:18:12.240 You know, we have more restaurants now and, you know, years ago, you know, crazy stuff would happen

00:18:18.000 while people were really drinking and having fun in bars, but then was bars kind of eliminated and

00:18:23.680 people kind of became more civil, you know, it just faded, I guess. And people, I think I see your

00:18:31.120 point, but we need to get back to heavier drinking. Well, that wasn't the point. No,

00:18:36.400 no, that's not my point. But, but we, I do the, the interaction between humans,

00:18:42.240 we self deprecate, we poke at each other. We have a laugh, but we still have love among ourselves.

00:18:47.440 And I think that those moments where you can poke at me and say, I know the kind of sandwiches your mom

00:18:53.760 made with the skinny cheese, Mike, I ate a real sandwich. Cause my mom knew how to make one.

00:18:58.720 I know what you mean. I'm a caker. Your mom was an amazing Italian cook. Yeah. It's funny on the

00:19:04.400 basis of you presenting it that way. Yeah. Dave Chappelle, right. You know, make fun of your,

00:19:09.040 if you can't make fun of yourself, how can you make fun of anyone else? Exactly. So yeah, it makes

00:19:13.440 total sense. I think we got past that. I think we're, I hope we are. And, but you know, it actually

00:19:18.560 wonders, so what's next? So, you know, it's interesting if you think about it. So, you know, okay.

00:19:23.440 Okay. The word woke disappears. So it comes out. So what's next?

00:19:28.880 Yeah. It's, I hope it's not nap or sleep because we really kind of need to get to work. Well, it's

00:19:34.800 funny because Disney and, and major networks have all lost trillions of dollars because they've made

00:19:43.360 movies that pandered to this notion of wokeness that just didn't deliver. The audiences didn't want

00:19:48.960 them. Oh yeah. So as I, in answer to your question, I think that the first thing we see

00:19:55.360 is movies that are a lot less woke. I think that it won't be a gradual transition back. I think we're

00:20:02.720 going to see some shocking examples of, yeah, we're not woke anymore. That didn't work. And I don't think

00:20:09.760 it'll be that they're going to defy humanity or be offensive or try to go to, but they'll just get back 0.60

00:20:14.640 to letting humans be humans, uh, demonstrating that we can get along with our diversity,

00:20:19.200 demonstrating that we can have a laugh. We can get through a difficult moment. I think media is

00:20:24.000 going to be the first lead on this. Oh, I hope so. I hope so. And you know, uh,

00:20:27.920 whether the buggers who dragged us into it in the first place, yeah, they did until, until really, 0.98

00:20:32.400 you know, the podcast world came to bear until people started listening to some rational thinking

00:20:38.320 around it. And then, you know, we've kind of seen the lead in the U S right now going the other

00:20:42.720 direction and how many companies have even totally eliminated DEI from their vocabulary and wokeness.

00:20:49.040 So yeah, I think it's a great thing, but you know, I wonder, I kind of wonder, okay, so it eliminates.

00:20:54.960 So we don't use it anymore. We don't have it in our vocabularies. So

00:21:02.720 what are we going to lean on? So then can diverse groups make any claim?

00:21:08.240 Well, I think that claims should be made on the basis of that moment in time, that specific incident,

00:21:20.400 that misstep. Okay. So can we get back to a place where we say, yeah, we all recognize that was a

00:21:27.120 misstep. Some of you don't see that as a misstep or a mistake or, but by and large, as a society,

00:21:33.920 we see that as a misstep, let's avoid that. Like a, like a hate crime.

00:21:38.880 A hate crime would be a great example, right? So what, what really is a hate crime I think is

00:21:46.000 worth defining in a place where we're less woke and we actually are concerned about humans.

00:21:52.480 Exactly. So then the next step is actually to kind of gravitate to that, right? So is it a,

00:21:58.800 is it a crime based on a past cultural difference or is it something that occurs now going forward?

00:22:07.600 You know, and I, I, I know that's a complicated question. And I asked that because as we kind

00:22:12.480 of morph out of wokeness, right. And, you know, at some point, right. Our, uh, physical cultural

00:22:21.520 differences will sort of disappear. Right. As we integrate, I would say, yeah, society overall,

00:22:28.400 globally, we're integrated as humans more than we've ever been. And we're going to, you know,

00:22:34.800 I've heard, I don't know, I'm not a scientist, but I've heard, I've heard that at some points,

00:22:38.480 it's pretty much everybody will have a similar look as, you know, genetic, similar coding on the

00:22:44.800 basis of, basis of us having a global society. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we see in Canada right now,

00:22:52.000 right? Honestly, you know, I'm, I'm the, I'm the offspring of, of, uh, Scottish and Italian,

00:22:57.920 uh, cultures. And quite frankly, you know, uh, I look kind of in between both, you know,

00:23:04.560 I can see it. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, you know, as people, uh, as more people come from India and as

00:23:12.080 more people come from, uh, China and different places and they integrate, we're going to create

00:23:18.000 new cultures of people. So in the end, and it's pretty close now, I don't think we're that far

00:23:22.240 away. It doesn't seem like it. No, it doesn't seem. It's almost like the generation right now

00:23:26.320 that's getting married is the biggest wave of that in our lifetime. And it's, it's notable.

00:23:32.400 Yeah. It's wonderful to tell you the truth and it's great, but then, then are we eliminating?

00:23:36.640 So then the great thing is we're eliminating that. Yeah. Right. And I think we've kind of jumped

00:23:41.600 over, you know, and I'm, I'm hope we're getting through it kind of the male female divide.

00:23:46.720 Right. So I think, yeah, I think, you know, uh, there's so many successful women now and doing

00:23:52.640 so many great things that I think we're, we're, you know, they're bashing down the walls of, uh,

00:23:57.520 that were there before. And it might be a bit disrespectful of this, the, the, uh, experience

00:24:03.520 that we've had for women who are really amazing executives and leaders in every field to feel,

00:24:11.520 like, oh, they got there based on DEI. Once you strip that away, the women that remain in those 0.99

00:24:18.960 positions and the people that stay in those positions are the ones that actually are the

00:24:23.680 most important to us. Yeah. Oh no, I agree. So, so, you know, you look at those barriers and those

00:24:29.360 barriers are sort of dissolving away. Yeah. Right. So they dissolve away. So we're really left with

00:24:36.080 probably past, you know, and it's interesting. It looks like, uh, uh, part of what's left is stuff

00:24:43.120 that comes from a history of past, right? So if there's anything going on, it seems to be now.

00:24:50.800 And if you look at the world, it seems to be, uh, generating from beefs between cultures of people

00:24:57.680 that aren't even starting here in Canada, but are happening somewhere else. So as we're integrating,

00:25:03.760 immigrating more people and integrating more people, the only challenges are some of the

00:25:08.720 challenges we're seeing, quite frankly, are old challenges. Stuff that comes from their native 1.00

00:25:14.720 country and, and it, it arrives here and two cultures that normally wouldn't get along are here

00:25:20.400 together. And, and that could be the, the moment. Yeah, exactly. So, but, you know, hopefully, so then

00:25:27.840 my hope for that is because, you know, it's interesting. I always ask people when they say something

00:25:31.760 about another culture, you know, that they have a beef with from the past or from where they came

00:25:36.320 from. I said, well, why did you come here? Right? You could have had that beef there. Yeah, you could

00:25:43.040 have stayed at home, right? If it was so, you know, number one, it was so great back home, you would have

00:25:47.280 stayed back home, quite frankly. You know, you can tell me a story about how great back home was,

00:25:51.200 but quite frankly, you decided to come to Canada, you decided to immigrate here. Um, and, you know, at that

00:25:57.120 point, you must have thought to yourself, oh, wow, I'm going to leave some of that baggage back at home

00:26:02.400 because I want to start a new life. I want to have a family. I want to grow. I want to go to a place

00:26:06.560 where it has the largest landmass, second largest landmass in the world, you know, opportunity. So

00:26:12.640 therefore, why am I coming? Right? So we should, so, you know, this is a very idealistic kind of

00:26:19.200 perfection look at it. Um, but we should be able at some point, right? When wokeness disappears, hurdle

00:26:29.520 all of those other issues that come with the history of people, right? Because those should be

00:26:33.440 the easier ones, right? We're here. Well, if the new culture wasn't woke, but it was more, um, brother

00:26:40.640 and sisterhood under one nation, we might look out for ourselves and others in that scenario and say,

00:26:48.720 okay, we need to, within our communities, eliminate this discussion. We need to eliminate this beef,

00:26:57.040 um, and get the support of other Canadians saying, we can get through this together. You're now here.

00:27:04.640 Right. And those that don't like it,

00:27:08.080 they certainly bubble to the top of the stew pretty quickly. And you can see who they are in society.

00:27:14.560 No matter what we do, you're going to be angry. No matter what we concede, you're going to be angry.

00:27:19.200 No matter what we present, you're going to oppose. You don't want to be here.

00:27:24.240 Right. Time to go home. You know, it's not for you. It didn't work.

00:27:27.920 And that's- And you weren't able to shed, unfortunately, the bad history that you brought.

00:27:33.120 Right. So maybe you should go back and just live it out.

00:27:36.400 But in a woke culture where these layers of formality have been put in place,

00:27:42.080 it's easy to hide with your poor attitude. It's easy to hide with your hatred. It's easy to hide

00:27:51.280 behind, uh, cultural beefs. Because we would never talk about that. That's, that's,

00:27:57.680 we're woke. We don't talk about your cultural beefs. And we're woke. Everybody's accepted. And,

00:28:02.880 and, you know, you might have a criminal mind, but you're here now. And that's our,

00:28:08.720 once you strip away woke, it's easy to see, well, that's a criminal. And that person's never going

00:28:13.360 to be happy here. Okay. So at least we understand. Right. You're welcome here. Yeah. Stay, go whatever

00:28:21.120 you wish. But now we actually really understand who you are as an individual. Right. And I think

00:28:27.040 that's what happens. Woke creates individuality, robs us of individuality and, and removing woke

00:28:34.160 gives us our individuality and freedom back. Right. So now is there an indie? So, you know,

00:28:39.360 as we talk through it, you know, Oh yeah, the pendulum is going to go back even further and we're going to

00:28:43.200 be super woke and we'll have to stitch our lips shut. No, no. But I mean, like at some point when woke

00:28:50.480 goes away and it's, we're not talking about it anymore and there's no racial, uh, discussion,

00:28:56.240 you know, because we've, diversity is kind of eliminated, you know, and the quality is,

00:29:02.000 you know, getting better quite frankly. So we see equality, you know, Canada doesn't,

00:29:07.760 I don't think have a huge issue with inclusion in my mind, but, uh, you know, I think what we do

00:29:13.920 next is forget what woke was and continue being good humans, good Canadians.

00:29:20.880 Good members of society. Great. That can manage our own,

00:29:26.080 our own, uh, approach to each other. Right. So then that's great because that has all kinds of

00:29:31.760 really positive economic benefits. So we don't have to, so then we don't have to be subsidizing

00:29:39.600 diversity anymore. We don't have to be subsidizing groups. We don't have to be, uh,

00:29:44.800 uh, uh, putting programs in place to deal with it. We can eliminate those because, you know,

00:29:50.560 I think that, and that's kind of interesting because what, what we've seen by, uh, podcasting

00:29:56.240 and what's going on now, by kind of talking about it and having it kind of, uh, wokeism going away

00:30:02.800 also ties to all these other things that eventually will go away. Therefore all the economic programs

00:30:09.920 and stimuluses and training and coaching that we put into it, they also go away. Right.

00:30:15.440 Well, okay. I have another analogy. We've got a laundry line and on the laundry line, which is

00:30:22.080 woke, you can hang a lot of dirty laundry. Yeah. It's easy to just hang that on woke. That's,

00:30:29.920 you know what? We've got it. We have to have it this way because we're woke. We have to have it this

00:30:34.800 way because we're woke. And I think once that line is taken down or disappears, there have to be other,

00:30:44.000 other things that those issues attach to real support, genuine community, uh, enlightenment,

00:30:53.280 but not just because it's hanging on the line. Exactly. Exactly. And the, and by kind of cutting

00:30:59.600 that line down, we're not going to hang anything on the line anymore. Therefore politically,

00:31:04.960 we're not going to talk about it. Right. So unless, unless a group decides they want to get together

00:31:10.320 and actively work, uh, for the benefit of their community to do something, because we do, you know,

00:31:17.120 we're a melting pot. So we'd like different communities. So, you know, if the, if the Italians 0.99

00:31:21.440 want to bring, uh, build an Italian community center, uh, or, you know, a new temple for the Indian

00:31:28.400 community or whatever they want to do, you know, there's a whole group of things they might want to do

00:31:32.800 politically to, uh, help that happen and to try to get some funding for. Right. So those are things

00:31:39.120 that could take place. Okay. So genuinely appeal to the community with your story. Don't just hang

00:31:44.320 it on the line and expect the support. Exactly. Put on that laundry and go out into the community

00:31:51.200 and appeal to us. And I think you'll be surprised that we do want your Indian temple, that we actually

00:31:57.120 do want you to build that hospice in town that, oh my God, did you know that, uh, my friend has a

00:32:02.560 construction company and I can help connect you guys to me. Right. That's where the community actually

00:32:08.480 builds on itself. And that's, I think maybe been lost through all of this. Yeah, I think so. You

00:32:14.640 know, and, and we deal with a lot of charities and community groups, right? So we see different things

00:32:19.120 and we, and we always try to kind of stress that, that, you know, we're doing this not because of, um,

00:32:26.880 the social issue in it. We're doing it because of the community issue. Right. And we're trying to get

00:32:32.240 away. We're trying to decouple them all the time. And I think that's super important. But, but, you know,

00:32:36.960 I, I really look at it and I say to myself, like, before the end of my life, will, there'll be an end

00:32:43.680 date. And the, the end date will be, we'll just say, well, we don't need to do anything more

00:32:50.000 individually with these groups

00:32:54.000 to stimulate, to subsidize.

00:32:59.040 Because I think they're now on their, they're now here. They've assimilated. Good question.

00:33:03.440 They're moving forward. And, you know, we don't have any, the issues seem to go away. And I think

00:33:07.680 they're almost gone. The interesting thing is, I don't, I don't know if I could have said this

00:33:11.920 when I was 40. Um, because I wouldn't have felt the same way because I felt they still existed. But

00:33:18.960 now in, you know, getting into my sixties. What? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, no. You know,

00:33:24.640 I do feel that, you know, they are, they're disappearing. And the nice part is they're,

00:33:30.080 they're going to be eliminated hopefully in the next decade to the point where we won't talk about

00:33:36.640 anymore. And quite frankly, we won't, uh, they'll, we'll be talking about, uh, you know, Canadians of 0.95

00:33:43.840 a different culture, but we won't be talking about supporting Canadians of a different culture.

00:33:49.520 So, well, you'll take a look at this example right now. When's the last time you ever heard

00:33:53.360 anybody in business say, no, no, no, no, we'll do this. The broads are no good at doing this. 1.00

00:33:59.040 No. If somebody said that now you would, no one says that. What are you talking? Who talks like that?

00:34:05.680 There was an era. Oh yeah. That would be heard that. I mean, that era has passed. It's passed to

00:34:12.640 the point where somebody said that in front of you, you would probably, what the hell, where did that

00:34:17.600 come from? You don't say that. No. So in your lifetime, when somebody has one of these issues or a

00:34:26.160 cultural issue bubbles up or we can't support it from the community because we need the government's

00:34:32.000 involvement because it's too large or between here and that point, it seems to me we could work

00:34:38.080 it out. Right. Ourselves. No, no, we can. And we shouldn't. So we should be non-tolerant now. So

00:34:45.120 the nice part is where we're at now, we should just say to groups that want to do it, stop.

00:34:51.120 I would agree. So we should really amongst ourselves and create a system where we say,

00:34:57.120 stop doing that. We don't want to do that. So if you want it to your point about, you know,

00:35:01.440 if you're going to do it, go back home. Right. We should have a really

00:35:10.160 difficult or hard line in the sand where we say stop.

00:35:14.240 So, so you can't, you can't self-impose an issue or create an issue that you think needs to be

00:35:23.120 addressed. We are doing that because now if I say, uh, you know, Nick, our producer, he's kind of woke.

00:35:30.160 Yeah. You and I might go. Yeah. Yeah. We laugh about it. It's a pejorative. It's so quickly become a

00:35:37.680 pejorative because woke represents nonsensical woke, woke represents disingenuous, pandering all of

00:35:47.600 these things. No humans really want, right? We really want to be equal. We really want to be

00:35:51.760 cared for by one another. That's really what we want. There can't be a rule put in place to make

00:35:57.440 society behave better than it does by tamping it down and closing its mouth.

00:36:04.160 I don't think that your dad made and your grandfather made any friends here in Canada,

00:36:10.640 uh, by keeping their mouth shut. It was when the community started to welcome them,

00:36:16.000 that they became part of the community, that they started to build this nation,

00:36:20.720 that they became leaders, people that we respected. They had offspring that does amazing things.

00:36:27.680 All of that you can't write a prescription for. We can remind one another in churches and synagogues

00:36:33.920 and temples to be kind to one another. Right. But I don't think that you can underwrite woke style

00:36:40.800 control. No, no, I agree with that. I agree with that. And, you know, but how do you put the, I guess

00:36:47.040 the, well, I'm trying to figure out now as we, as we get to the end and we keep bringing people

00:36:52.640 into Canada, you know, how do we kind of stop groups from now recreating that?

00:37:02.000 Because we, we shouldn't recreate it. We shouldn't let it recreate. We shouldn't.

00:37:05.680 Well, it should be viewed as radical. Yeah. If you're going to come and create it,

00:37:09.200 you're, you're, you're right. You're being radical. Right. And therefore you need to be

00:37:12.880 talked, you know, we need to have a serious discussion with you and say, stop it.

00:37:16.240 A serious discussion. Yeah. Simulate now. Right. You need to come in and you need to be part of the

00:37:21.040 community. Right. Again, we're a melting pot. Keep your own culture, do your own thing.

00:37:26.240 But, you know, like I use the Italians, you know, quite frankly, a challenging time coming to Canada,

00:37:32.960 given what was going on in the world. But as the need for people and trades existed,

00:37:41.520 we felt, you know, we wanted to come into the community and participate. And we had to make that

00:37:47.280 active, uh, we really did make that active jump. Whereas we could have went home again.

00:37:52.720 We could not have stayed here, but we said, you know what, we're going to stay here and we're going

00:37:55.760 to fit in because what was back home wasn't so great. And so we wanted to stay and we wanted to

00:38:01.440 keep working and grow and creative. Even if back home was equally wonderful, your family decided to

00:38:07.600 come here. You come here and you make the effort here. Right. We will open our arms. We will open our

00:38:14.240 doors. We will open our communities. But the reality is you have to make the assimilation. 0.96

00:38:19.920 Yes. To being Canadian, not, not leaving your culture behind. Not, none of that, that this is not

00:38:26.720 any sort of a hillbilly, uh, reckoning that I'm talking about. This is just come here and be with us.

00:38:33.680 Yes. Yeah. And, and, you know, don't focus on the fact that there's history with another group.

00:38:40.400 Don't spend all your time, you know, sitting at home, worrying about something that happened

00:38:45.200 in another country in another decade. Let's get, you know, again, you know, I think what we're

00:38:51.120 finding now is Canadians want to get from A to B. We're trying to survive.

00:38:56.160 Yeah. We're in a tough time right now. Right. So I think we got to kind of, uh, reduce the amount

00:39:02.960 of friction we're feeling in that, you know, cultural sense and get on with kind of getting

00:39:09.280 ourselves working. You know, today's job report came out, you know, I'm just going to jump into

00:39:14.240 economics from it, but you know, it went down. It was a bad, bad July. How can it go down in a time

00:39:19.360 when we've taken 4 million new Canadians in to fill positions and feed mouths and all of that? I mean,

00:39:27.120 this is to me, what woke did woke said, no matter what happens, we're going to save the world. Yes.

00:39:34.160 No, but that doesn't make sense. It's going to have an impact on them. They're going to arrive

00:39:37.840 here to nothing. They're going to arrive here to disappointment. And that doesn't breed anything

00:39:44.400 healthy. It would have been better to say, okay, we're going to come up with a plan because we want

00:39:48.000 to bring as many people into this country as we can with their cultures in this manner, rather than feel, 0.59

00:39:55.040 oh, we have to react to woke. Yes. You know, sorry, here's another example. Half of Canada is on fire,

00:40:03.040 but we're still the number one environmental leader on earth. Why are we experts on this

00:40:08.960 when we're sending so much air pollution to our lovely neighbors to the south?

00:40:13.200 I'm with you. I'm with you. This is where our virtue. And we can't, and we can't find people to

00:40:18.800 go fight the fires or cut brush. Yeah. But we have increased unemployment.

00:40:23.680 Why do I feel like you and I are going to have a fire? Did we just start a fire maybe? But this is

00:40:28.640 a problem. You go to have these conversations that mean no harm. They're meant to reflect people's

00:40:35.280 genuine feelings. And in a woke culture, that's racist or that's sexist. No, no. We would like

00:40:43.920 everybody to have a good life. Yeah, yeah. But we can't do this at each other trying to do that.

00:40:51.200 No, no. And if we're going to get from A to B, those people need to actually jump on the train to get

00:40:56.640 to A to B. So we need them to be going and fight wildfires. We need them to be going and cutting brush.

00:41:04.080 We need them. And, you know, sitting and saying that I can't find employment, sitting and saying

00:41:10.480 that I'm not feeling safe here. You know, those are all issues. I get it. But quite frankly,

00:41:18.400 we're at that point where we got to be executing and making decisions to move forward as a country

00:41:24.240 with plans that we have in place. And those are all the things that are more important right now. So.

00:41:29.280 Thanks for talking to me about this. Nick, did we beat it to death? What's your opinion?

00:41:32.960 Is everybody, did we un-wake the wake? I think you did it. Okay. Well, thank you so much,

00:41:38.000 Paul. I appreciate it, man. Please send your comments and woke donations to us. But no matter

00:41:46.400 what, please tell a friend, subscribe, and we'll see you back here. For Paul Micucci,

00:41:51.440 I'm Mike Wixom. Take care.

True Patriot Love - September 26, 2025

Woke Is Broke？ The Collapse of Cancel Culture

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