Unify Action - February 01, 2026


Every Big Government Disaster? He Blames It On ‘Doing Socialism Wrong’


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00:00:00.000 The countries that do implement socialism, they're generally worse off and less competitive to those that, like, implement a free market.
00:00:09.360 So, like, the more mixing we have, like, you could see it even in the states.
00:00:13.680 Like, some states are better off than others.
00:00:15.560 The more socialist a state is, the more progressive their tax system is, the less competitive they are.
00:00:21.040 Like, you've got Texas and Florida, they're just, like, booming.
00:00:23.820 And then you've got, like, Illinois, which is, like, people are fleeing.
00:00:26.520 And California.
00:00:27.180 so the more socialism honestly the worse off would you say that's more so like poorly executed
00:00:34.020 socialism rather than just socialism in general because there's like even like ancient times
00:00:40.140 there was like like the mayans for example obviously this is less consumerism right
00:00:44.880 so like the mayans almost were exclusively like socialists like they had like
00:00:50.220 no land ownership everything was divided they would have like these plots like almost like
00:00:55.960 sheds, where people would just go and grab whatever they needed.
00:00:58.360 And I would say, like, the problem with socialism today,
00:01:26.120 which is it's like the execution right because everything's reliant on capitalism so it's kind
00:01:31.540 of hard to merge them because they they kind of go against each other so for example like you
00:01:36.400 touched on like the taxes right so the taxing on especially in like illinois because it's their
00:01:41.940 socialism and kind of a lot more like government funded stuff um it leads to like like you've seen
00:01:46.980 chicago right chicago's kind of like i just came from there um it kind of like weakens the people
00:01:52.740 because it gives them like kind of nothing to work with right um so exactly what you said no
00:01:58.700 competition right because everything's being funded by socialism taxes and whatnot um but i
00:02:03.200 would say if it was executed properly right in the way where um the funding was given to people
00:02:08.620 who like actually like need it or systems that actually like could use like that type of
00:02:13.800 socialistic like funding and whatnot i think it would work out in the best way i just think
00:02:18.540 because the government's a hierarchy that when socialism is attempted to be executed then
00:02:23.980 eventually like the capitalistic like like ideas and governments and you know like um we should
00:02:29.520 say like texas and florida right like they're booming because that's just how um that's just
00:02:35.840 how like their government allows them to operate because there's so much competition right bigger
00:02:39.860 states um and then people are more inclined they have more incentive to work towards uh money and
00:02:45.260 whatnot because like for example stuff like um welfare and stuff like um like food stamps like
00:02:50.400 they kind of cripple the citizens because they don't really need to go work because they have
00:02:55.200 food stamps you know yeah but i think that if it was executed properly with like proper funding
00:03:00.580 there should be a way to have incentive and um helping in the same vein if that makes sense like
00:03:06.600 see there's no way to redistribute wealth without destroying the incentive to create it
00:03:13.640 yeah that's like that's milton friedman and i mean he knew his stuff and i totally agree with him
00:03:18.400 that i just i don't think there's a way to redistribute wealth right without destroying
00:03:23.100 the incentive to create it yeah so like i like you made a case for like incentive and making
00:03:28.420 like encouraging people to work properly and i think that's that's the case that's a compelling
00:03:33.260 argument for why socialism doesn't work right right and like to say that we haven't tried it
00:03:39.820 well enough i it seems a little disingenuous because we have tried it like so many the soviet
00:03:45.560 union had tried i would say they tried really hard yeah and what was that like 20 million dead
00:03:51.620 i don't know i would say that the reason why they fell short as far as attempting socialism is they
00:03:55.880 were too um what's the word like militant like they weren't they the idea of redistributing
00:04:03.540 wealth but they still wanted all the power so i would say that's when that's an example of
00:04:08.080 socialism done wrong we've attempted it a lot of times now attempting it correctly that's debatable
00:04:13.880 because the thing is is the way the world works today um the only way to become like a successful
00:04:19.720 economy is to have open open trade right so when you have socialism like that and countries rely
00:04:25.540 on open trade for example we see right there with north korea and south korea right south korea
00:04:30.200 obviously they're having the whole thing with their population and they're not having enough
00:04:33.700 babies but their economy is great they have a very stable economy now compare that to north
00:04:37.640 korea where they're exclusively trade with china which china is also very socialist that's like an 0.99
00:04:41.680 example of socialism kind of executed properly but also the chinese citizens aren't really like
00:04:47.100 you know um i don't know like like if you're saying north korea is as an example of socialism
00:04:53.480 executed properly no china so okay north korea is basically exclusively trades with china
00:04:58.400 right north korea that's a whole you know that's their old thing yeah but specifically china china
00:05:05.460 the way that they are executing their socialism is basically kind of like by what they're doing
00:05:10.020 with north korea where they essentially just have like a infinite money money machine right there
00:05:14.900 right and um i just think that like socialism we've seen in history socialism obviously with
00:05:22.280 less consumers and it was done well executed well the mayans were living beautifully up until the
00:05:27.080 spanish took over and they had this socialism like executed like like beautifully like how do we know
00:05:33.440 that though well do we know for sure like we knew because the extents we know we know the extents
00:05:38.320 because we saw how they operated through the government was active while the spaniards and
00:05:42.060 the portuguese were there like for a long time before the spanish decided to take over and so
00:05:47.220 we saw how their government operated and we saw how successful it was which is why the spaniards
00:05:52.480 decided they wanted to try and like take the citizens right which is not a good thing but 0.94
00:05:56.460 my argument is that to say it's like a scam is kind of like trying to say like um what's the
00:06:03.980 word like like it's not a scam because we've seen it work we can say that it's not done not in
00:06:09.820 modern times for sure whenever we've actually observed it it hasn't worked i would agree it
00:06:14.380 went as far as modern times it has not been executed properly that's because the rest of
00:06:19.260 the world runs on like a capitalist state which means that eventually it'll just fold back in on
00:06:23.280 itself and then they'll become capitalist all over again i know but if there was promise in a
00:06:28.160 socialist economy like wouldn't it produce better results not worse results even even compared to
00:06:35.480 capitalism i i would say that like the idea of it producing better results maybe not um to the
00:06:44.240 extent because capitalism it's kind of like like quick money like they make their gains quick right
00:06:48.640 So we saw how quickly South Korea came up after adopting a capitalistic economy, right?
00:06:54.320 But then also we see how other countries are able to rely on the socialistic ideas to keep their people happy, right?
00:07:01.600 And that's the main thing.
00:07:03.540 For a government to work, the citizens need to be happy.
00:07:06.280 And that's how socialistic ideas operate.
00:07:08.560 That's what they're there for.
00:07:09.560 and i think that in a in a government where it was executed properly and not just used
00:07:14.540 as like a median to keep their people like happy and to keep their their power like in check it
00:07:21.620 would be much better than just basically being like here guys like when it was covid right and
00:07:26.440 they were giving all the small businesses money um it was just really work no right so that was
00:07:32.700 basically them basically trying to be like guys calm down we have money for you right but if it
00:07:36.580 was done in a way to be like hey guys we understand it's like a rough time and then they kind of like
00:07:40.440 help them boost their their production or whatever it is just not so just blankly giving them money
00:07:45.200 like i think food stamps are horrible i think it's stupid right because you see videos all over the
00:07:49.740 place of these people being we don't have to work we have food stamps right that's horrible but
00:07:53.940 instead if you were to really analyze situations and then be like okay well not necessarily food
00:07:58.660 stamps right but we can instead like set up a system where these people can um you know money
00:08:05.420 that goes towards them finding work right money that goes towards them finding homes right that
00:08:11.060 type of stuff is what socialism is meant for not just here's money use that how you how you want
00:08:15.980 okay all right so i think we definitely agree on food stamps um i i just i don't know every time
00:08:28.800 We've tried socialism and it hasn't worked out
00:08:30.600 And tried it hard
00:08:32.120 So
00:08:32.980 I feel like it was the same corner of the world
00:08:36.880 Trying it over and over and over again
00:08:38.980 Well 0.95
00:08:40.000 Israel and England
00:08:43.020 Tried it a little bit in Sweden
00:08:44.400 And all the rest and then South America too
00:08:46.480 I think the reason why it's been so many different people 0.98
00:08:48.380 Is because it has the rest of Europe on its butt 0.97
00:08:50.960 So it's kind of like 0.97
00:08:52.040 It was never going to work when the rest of the continent
00:08:54.300 Is capitalist
00:08:55.460 But when they did try it
00:08:57.640 I would say it wasn't like the worst of results
00:09:00.840 compared to the rest of the countries. 0.94
00:09:03.040 And I just think that, you know, Russia,
00:09:05.200 or I guess the USSR, trying it a million times 0.70
00:09:07.180 was never going to work. 0.78
00:09:08.020 Because it wasn't pure, it wasn't,
00:09:10.080 the idea of socialism to them was purely for power.
00:09:12.360 It wasn't for like, they wanted to weaken their citizens
00:09:14.180 so that they could have a centralized wealth.
00:09:16.540 Like, and I just don't think that was ever going to work.
00:09:18.580 And nobody there thought it was going to work long-term,
00:09:21.780 I don't think.
00:09:24.540 Okay.
00:09:26.300 So.
00:09:26.660 you think it's a complete scam like i think it's a complete i yes i do and i think it goes against
00:09:33.120 human nature in general um just because oh yeah uh yeah just because of human nature we're just
00:09:42.820 we're wired to think of ourselves at first like when we as soon as we're born we're crying like
00:09:48.680 out of like self-pity and self-concern right um so like we're just wired to do that and i don't
00:09:55.920 see that changing anytime soon for a socialist society to succeed yeah like even even like as
00:10:03.900 it's advertised you have to have selfless people i think that the reason why socialism hasn't worked
00:10:08.600 so far is because the people who they've attempted it with were already in like a system of uh
00:10:13.420 consumerism so they kind of just thrown into this idea of like guys let's just all fund each other
00:10:18.080 but they had already experienced like um the life of um like capitalism so like the middle class
00:10:24.180 being randomly thrown into a socialistic world that's not going to work because they've already
00:10:27.320 experienced it but the reason why socialism would benefit the country in total would be because of 1.00
00:10:33.420 the lower class the people who have lived a horrible life right like homeless people people
00:10:38.600 who have been living in like you know like alleys and whatnot stuff like that paycheck to paycheck
00:10:43.520 like those types of people would benefit extremely from socialism so the reason why it hasn't worked
00:10:48.060 is because people have had the perspective of like even like millionaires millionaires would
00:10:51.060 never give up their wealth for anything right if they were ever approached the idea of socialism
00:10:54.540 they would be like but i worked for my money right so that's why i think even though it was
00:10:59.340 an ancient example of mayans why it worked for them was because they had no concept of like um
00:11:05.240 consumerism so i think it's not a complete scam because i think if it was executed properly
00:11:11.220 it could work now do i think it's a hundred percent no but i also that's why i'm saying
00:11:15.900 i don't think it's a hundred percent scam either you know but i think capitalism has definitely
00:11:19.720 been more efficient and it's definitely helped um i think it's just been better overall it's
00:11:26.200 elevated so many way more people out of poverty than socialism ever did i think i think that the
00:11:32.340 fact that the reason that poverty exists is because of capitalism so do you see my point like
00:11:37.800 i would disagree because when people are required to work for money and they're required to have
00:11:43.920 like um like they need they need gain like they need money to live right so capitalism runs on
00:11:50.400 that that idea so when the top one percent are holding 50 percent of the world's or of the
00:11:55.880 country's money then it's less to go around for the rest of them right so like if there's like a
00:12:00.480 for example have you heard the thing where there's like military generals making like 500,000 a year
00:12:04.500 but then some soldiers are still living off of like um you know like government housing and stuff
00:12:09.620 like so it's the fact of hoarding money um it ends up hurting the bottom and then it keeps the
00:12:15.860 top happy right so i think that if that's why like the capitalism creates the poverty right if there
00:12:22.600 is a world where everything was distributed equally which is like imagination here then
00:12:27.540 there would be like no homeless people because it's distributed equally i'm not saying that's
00:12:31.720 reality i'm saying if socialism was executed properly there would be a lot less homeless
00:12:36.380 people because the wealth was being distributed okay do you know what i mean like i i see what
00:12:42.500 you're saying but to say it's a complete scam but there is like that doesn't hold true for the
00:12:49.640 african countries that have tried socialism because they they came right out of poverty
00:12:55.380 from well like colonialism it really wasn't like in some cases colonialism actually benefited
00:13:04.340 a country because it gave them technology and stable laws yeah um but like a lot of these
00:13:10.380 african countries they they started in poverty they were released from their colonial like rulers
00:13:16.080 and they went directly into socialism and that failed so i think that definitely that's like
00:13:24.520 that makes sense then you have to consider like like um there was already a culture established
00:13:30.500 there and then on top of the culture that's already was established like a lot of the reasons
00:13:34.980 why there's conflicts in the first place especially in socialistic countries is like religion right
00:13:39.400 so it sometimes it has like nothing to do with like the economy and more so with like the religions
00:13:45.540 and like in the middle east like the sunnis and the shias like like socialism or not those those
00:13:51.280 types of civil wars were going to happen right so um i think that like to purely say well it was
00:13:57.760 socialism that kind of led to the conflicts it'd be like well there's so much other stuff that
00:14:03.000 happened especially in african countries like angola and stuff um to where it wasn't going to
00:14:09.360 work regardless like even if they i do think that if african countries adopted capitalism today
00:14:14.160 that in like 20 years they would come out of the poverty-stricken state that they're in right now
00:14:18.960 i think they would yes i i think that countries like that they kind of like the fact is that
00:14:26.960 their conflicts go far beyond money.
00:14:31.400 They go far beyond economy.
00:14:34.960 It's more so culture and power-hungry
00:14:37.980 and religions and different beliefs like that.
00:14:41.860 I know, but you can't...
00:14:43.620 See, power-hungry doesn't disappear with socialism.
00:14:47.100 No, it definitely doesn't,
00:14:48.680 but it definitely prevents people
00:14:51.080 from being able to gain that power
00:14:52.500 because when the wealth is being distributed equally,
00:14:55.760 there's not like, for example,
00:14:56.960 like really broke little boys who can be like converted into like like a military right so when
00:15:02.700 people don't really have anguish to be going through they kind of have no incentive to fight
00:15:06.940 so it's like like power hungry can still happen in socialism because like you have the government
00:15:15.080 like they have to maintain a huge amount of control yeah right so power hungry just doesn't
00:15:22.280 disappear in socialism for sure but it doesn't also grow it wouldn't have as high of a chance
00:15:27.000 to grow amongst the citizens because when when you're living a life where kind of like you know
00:15:32.340 everything's being provided for you by your government do you really have a reason to fight
00:15:37.860 now the reason why socialism had had those types of conflicts before is because it wasn't executed
00:15:41.940 properly so everybody was broken except the government you know that's why but i think if
00:15:47.360 it was done properly where the citizens were actually taken care of rather than just everybody
00:15:51.160 being broken the government eats everything i think that would be done properly i think it
00:15:54.800 would be a lot better of a situation now in my opinion i think that um it hasn't been executed
00:16:00.440 properly so far in modern times with modern consumerism i think it's extremely hard to
00:16:05.400 execute now with modern consumerism because everybody's going to realize like what they're
00:16:09.180 missing out on right like everybody loves like you know being able to buy the new playstation
00:16:13.060 and this and that but i think that objectively it would be executed better if these countries that
00:16:19.340 have like these financial issues we're able like to have like a lump sum of money and then kind of
00:16:23.900 like slowly indoctrinating it into their system all right um i feel like we do need to wrap this
00:16:31.380 up because it's starting to rain um but i will i will say like so i think you and i we agree that
00:16:39.260 socialism hasn't worked uh but i think we disagree on human narrative a human nature
00:16:43.620 um like would you agree that humans are inherently good i would agree that humans have the possibility
00:16:52.120 to be inherently good now when whether or not how that is how they come up you know okay people
00:16:59.500 humans are their situation so somebody could be inherently good but then they're thrown into a 0.99
00:17:04.960 really bad familial situation and then by the time they're like three years old they're assholes 0.97
00:17:08.360 you know okay see i i i disagree and i think it comes back to my my faith and my religion as well 0.98
00:17:17.700 that i'm a christian and my bible does tell me that the heart of man is deceitfully wicked above
00:17:23.680 all things yeah so i just that's the reason that i just don't think we can have socialism ever is
00:17:30.340 because the human heart is wicked and deceitful and like that's just all the time yeah with some
00:17:37.280 government yeah so i think that's where it kind of differs right because i'm not super religious
00:17:43.240 i kind of grew up in a religious household but it was just not for me i kind of saw the way the
00:17:49.440 world was and i kind of was like you know uh but i do think that um humans have the ability to be
00:17:57.020 inherently good have they shown that no i think it's like when you're kind of thrown into a world
00:18:01.480 that's already been like kind of developed and stuff like a baby who's born is instantly thrown
00:18:06.240 with their parents right so we'll never know if they're actually inherently good or inherently bad
00:18:10.880 because it's the people we do see an inherent selfishness right as soon as they come out
00:18:15.880 they're crying about for self-pity like it's just we do see that right and even if they're kept in
00:18:23.080 like very sheltered circumstances they still they learn to start steal and fly and and cheat and
00:18:29.720 take other kids toys even like from really young age so i like this is clearly like where we defer
00:18:36.640 i think that's where it all starts from right like the whole thing with politics comes from
00:18:42.360 like how you see the world and that's where it always will come from like you look at every
00:18:48.360 major political leader who's like had a big screw-up and the first thing it comes to is their
00:18:52.420 childhood right so i think that it's i mean we got to agree to disagree but i think we reached some
00:18:59.900 good points okay