Unify Action - November 13, 2026


＂Get Off Our Street!!＂ - Queen's Students React To The Gender Debate

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00:00:00 My position, pretty simple. Gender passes points towards something. 1.00
00:00:03 I believe that it points towards your biological sex and nothing else it can really point towards. 0.76
00:00:08 Are you okay with men who are literally physically stronger than women going into their sports and spiking balls into their face? 0.94
00:00:19 Do you want to be a maid or no? Do you want to talk? 0.99
00:00:21 No, I just want to talk.
00:00:23 Okay.
00:00:24 Perhaps if they're so funny, they can look like a little bit more.
00:00:27 So I'm going to just come to birth.
00:00:29 Joseph, we have to know your skin is so shiny. 1.00
00:00:31 Think Dallas, come on! 0.98
00:00:33 Oh my god, are you that guy from online
00:00:35 that's always talking about my skin?
00:00:37 So how do you know my name's Joseph?
00:00:39 When it comes to minors taking puberty blockers
00:00:41 or different hormones and things
00:00:43 that are not normal to their body,
00:00:45 it's actually very harmful to them.
00:00:47 I don't think children can consent to that
00:00:49 because their fertility is on the line.
00:00:51 They may one day want to have kids.
00:00:53 That's a fair point.
00:00:57 Do you think gender is a choice?
00:01:00 No comment. 0.60
00:01:01 No comment?
00:01:02 It looks like you had an answer right there.
00:01:04 I saw you think of one.
00:01:05 What was the first thing that came to your mind?
00:01:09 I was recording.
00:01:10 You know what?
00:01:11 It's for our safety, though.
00:01:13 You understand.
00:01:19 Why are you on the science side?
00:01:21 Science side?
00:01:22 Yeah.
00:01:23 Yeah.
00:01:23 and what do you think what does science say there's just two and you can't choose
00:01:32 because there's two the thing is like with that answer there's two different scientific
00:01:40 uh ways you could look at it but are you talking about like biological science
00:01:44 when it comes to male and female or are you talking about like sociological science
00:01:50 What does the sociology sign say?
00:01:52 It says a lot of stuff, but none of it is circumstantial evidence.
00:01:57 Interesting.
00:01:59 Yeah.
00:02:00 I guess that's it.
00:02:02 Yeah, how can I say it?
00:02:04 Good, how are you?
00:02:05 Sorry, I'm on my way to class, but do you mind if I take a photo?
00:02:08 Like this?
00:02:09 Sure, spread it all over the place.
00:02:11 Tell them that we're exactly here.
00:02:14 Yeah.
00:02:15 I'm not sure what you mean by that, what do you think?
00:02:25 Do you think that I can arbitrarily choose my gender based on how I feel?
00:02:29 I don't believe so.
00:02:31 You don't believe so?
00:02:32 What's your stance?
00:02:33 I actually don't think you can either.
00:02:36 Yeah, so you guys are out here assigned, so...
00:02:40 Well, there's a lot of, I believe, negative consequences of the belief that you can.
00:02:50 It's not being addressed, I feel, in our society, so you want to get a conversation going.
00:02:56 So is this sort of like a non-partisan?
00:02:59 Yeah.
00:03:01 We're not advocating for any specific political party, but...
00:03:06 Student for free speech?
00:03:10 I think we're trying to get one chapter yeah yeah yeah we have one here
00:03:20 no we're working on yeah we're gonna get like five students right yeah
00:03:26 how are you that's great do you think gender is a choice
00:03:35 Okay, what's your name? My name is Joseph. Yeah, nice to meet you. Johan? I'm Sarah.
00:03:48 Yeah, I'm a social media content creator, but
00:03:54 Joseph Borne, I don't know all the social media, I'm just trying to, you know, spread. I feel like not enough people have this
00:03:59 position, so like people that think like you, that believe like, you know, two genders, 0.55
00:04:04 They don't have a voice, so we're trying to see if we can get that going so more people can have a free speech
00:04:14 Thanks for talking
00:04:22 Oh you choose what gender are you today?
00:04:27 What amazing are you sure? Yeah, I can't tell
00:04:34 Do you want to video me?
00:04:41 You want to debate?
00:04:42 God bless you!
00:04:44 Do you want to debate or no? You just want to talk?
00:04:46 No, I just want to make sure you want to talk.
00:04:48 Okay.
00:04:49 Well, that's not very productive.
00:04:51 This is a university.
00:04:53 This is supposed to be a place of thought.
00:04:56 That's not the best time.
00:04:57 Do you want to tell us why you disagree?
00:04:58 Why do you disagree?
00:05:00 That's embarrassing.
00:05:01 No.
00:05:02 what are you getting this are
00:05:13 are you doing you guys think I cannot answer I'm with the school paper up to
00:05:17 you guys like our camera not like I did that I mean that's okay yeah I would be
00:05:25 I'm sorry, are you guys good with your name being in it too?
00:05:29 Yeah, I'm fine with that.
00:05:31 Okay, well, can you tell me what the motive is behind everything?
00:05:34 We feel that, do you want to answer first?
00:05:37 Yeah, I don't think there's enough talk about this,
00:05:42 because right now we've accepted every viewpoint in society about gender
00:05:47 except one that is more conservative.
00:05:50 So we feel that there should be conversation around this,
00:05:54 and we're not we're not out here hating on anyone we're just asking the
00:05:59 question and we invite people that disagree to come and talk to us and we
00:06:05 hope that it'll be respectful and courteous and polite and that's that's
00:06:10 our purpose a bit of diversity of thought yeah okay what point you're saying there's a point
00:06:15 that you feel is not spoken about what point oh the whole gender topic it's
00:06:22 kind of been written in stone now that there's this thing that's called gender
00:06:27 expression and society should conform to it and we believe that they've shut down
00:06:33 the debate on it and we want to open it back up and I think there's a lot of
00:06:37 people matter of fact everyone that has walked up to us so far today actually
00:06:42 agrees that gender is something where you can't pick it right there's two
00:06:48 genders and everyone that's walked up to us so far has said that but you know
00:06:54 it's something that you're not allowed to discuss anymore and we want it to be
00:06:59 something that you can discuss so that's why we're here today what makes you think
00:07:03 that it's something that's like what made you come to the conclusion that you can't
00:07:06 discuss it oh well yeah there's multiple different court filings right now human
00:07:11 rights have been human rights tribunals have basically made it a point that if
00:07:17 If you speak on certain things, especially in like a business capacity, or if you're in school or any of those capacities where you're in any type of social capacity that's outside of a private institution, then you can be fined sometimes tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars for having the belief that we have.
00:07:35 You have the idea of Barry Neufeld. $750,000 he was fined by a human rights tribunal for the simple position that he believes there's only two genders. And that's obviously wrong.
00:07:50 And who do you guys think about what is this?
00:07:57 Students for free speech.
00:07:58 Students for free speech.
00:07:59 And you guys just go to a lot of universities and stuff?
00:08:01 Yeah.
00:08:02 We're specifically here for this debate, but there's other completely different topics
00:08:06 as well.
00:08:07 Okay.
00:08:08 And obviously it's Canada-wide.
00:08:11 Yeah, you've been to several different universities for sure.
00:08:14 Yeah, okay, you do different topics as well.
00:08:17 Yeah.
00:08:18 And what made you guys join this? What was your motivation?
00:08:24 Me personally, I have my own social media platform, but when they reached out to me, I thought it was a good opportunity.
00:08:31 I don't typically do in person. I usually do debates online.
00:08:36 But I feel like it feels more real in person.
00:08:40 If you're on campus, I feel like people are more honest.
00:08:43 I feel like they hide less it's less deceptive especially when you're online
00:08:47 everything's you know ambiguous and you know it's not your real face I feel like
00:08:52 you need an actual stake in it and if you're here you're on camera you decide
00:08:57 you want to have a conversation with us you're putting yourself on the line to
00:09:00 say your position and I can respect that and we're doing the same thing
00:09:07 oh yeah I know you did talk about it a bit but how has reaction been
00:09:11 What kind of conversation have you had?
00:09:13 I mean, so far we've gotten some looks, some farting noises,
00:09:17 but mostly just pleasant conversation, you know?
00:09:20 People walk up, and the people that agree so far have been walking up that, you know, there's two genders.
00:09:25 Nobody else has really wanted to have a discussion, which is what we want. 0.99
00:09:28 We don't want to come here to, like, you know, start a fight or start an argument.
00:09:33 We just want to have a conversation.
00:09:34 So, yeah.
00:09:36 Can you imagine if I get your juice?
00:09:38 Yeah, I'm Joseph Bourne.
00:09:39 You can find me on all platforms with that. 1.00
00:09:42 So, B-O-U-R-N-E. 0.65
00:09:49 And then I have Sarah, with an H, DOTSERT. 0.66
00:09:52 So DOTSERT is D-O-T, instead of E-R-T-E.
00:09:56 And are you guys students, like, here?
00:09:58 No, no, I actually run a different, like, an organization similar to this,
00:10:02 where Michael used to talk about political and economic conservative issues.
00:10:07 So, it's called Unify Action.
00:10:10 So, this is something that I do outside of this country.
00:10:14 There's a really good organization.
00:10:16 And what encouraged you guys to come to Queens specifically?
00:10:21 It was just, let's say logistical issues stopped us from going to others.
00:10:28 But Queens is a little bit more easy to deal with.
00:10:31 And how long are you guys here for?
00:10:33 What's your time?
00:10:35 I want to be here for a couple hours.
00:10:37 depending on how many people walk up to us. Nobody says anything to us, obviously.
00:10:42 But, you know, we're trying to get as much discussion as possible in the next two, three hours.
00:10:47 Cool. Sounds good. And you guys are live streaming on, I assume, like, social media or something?
00:10:51 I don't think we're live, are we?
00:10:53 Oh, yeah, just filming.
00:10:53 Yeah, I think we're just filming.
00:10:55 Like, it's going to go on, like, YouTube or, like, what is it going to go on?
00:10:57 Yeah, probably.
00:10:58 You see it on any other, in short form, other platforms.
00:11:01 Yeah, and I assume that the KACS release feature?
00:11:04 Yeah.
00:11:04 Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:11:04 They'll also be on our platforms.
00:11:05 Yeah, we'll be collaborating.
00:11:06 Um, can I ask that you don't use my last name? Just in the article that you put out?
00:11:11 Yeah. Is it...?
00:11:13 It's just for like personal reasons.
00:11:14 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, is it okay if I say that you're with Unified Action?
00:11:18 Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
00:11:23 Thank you so much. I might come back if I think of anything else, but I appreciate it.
00:11:26 Oh, you know me? Yeah, man. Thank you, too, man. That's good to meet you, too.
00:11:30 Appreciate it, bro.
00:11:32 Gender?
00:11:33 Gender! 0.99
00:11:34 think it is a choice it's when you're when you're born you're either whatever yeah amen that's how 0.96
00:11:40 they used to do it at least it was it was good but i but you see more of it today the difference
00:11:48 than you did when i was young yeah i'm 74. it was a lot more obvious back then eh well
00:11:55 well actually it wasn't no one really came out back then and but gender is
00:12:04 There's a lot of arguments for it.
00:12:07 I mean, what we eat, what we breathe, what we drink, everything.
00:12:10 All these chemicals change the person inside.
00:12:14 Actually, the mindset has changed.
00:12:17 Not so much the physicality, but it's the mind.
00:12:21 Then it's how you perceive yourself when you become an adult or a young adult.
00:12:25 And do you think that someone's perception should dictate their gender?
00:12:30 The perception of themselves?
00:12:35 Yeah.
00:12:36 Well, I would think that they'd want to be comfortable in their own skin.
00:12:45 Like if you were born appearance-wise as a male,
00:12:52 and you grew up and you started thinking that you were not a male,
00:12:57 And then you would want to have to be recognized as whatever you thought you were.
00:13:05 And do you think that society should also affirm that?
00:13:11 That's a tough one because they don't like doing that.
00:13:17 I think it's more of a personal choice and then you basically fight for your rights.
00:13:24 So do you have the right then to make someone else affirm?
00:13:27 What you think of yourself? 0.59
00:13:29 Well, you see, I have a niece that's lesbian, and I have a nephew that's gay.
00:13:38 So they're comfortable with the way their parents perceive them, like my brother and his wife.
00:13:47 And I'm hopefully going to meet them in the next year.
00:13:52 I haven't seen them since they were babies.
00:13:54 so
00:13:56 it is what it is
00:13:59 yeah I always make the
00:14:02 distinction away from
00:14:04 you know with
00:14:06 sexual orientation
00:14:08 because gender has a
00:14:10 much more fundamental root in our 1.00
00:14:12 society it's how we
00:14:14 shape biology around 0.98
00:14:16 gender right
00:14:17 well we're born of one 1.00
00:14:20 specific biology
00:14:22 yeah so it's
00:14:23 The biology doesn't change.
00:14:26 It's the mental perspective.
00:14:29 And if your reality doesn't align with your mental,
00:14:35 what would that actually mean?
00:14:39 So if your physical body was male,
00:14:43 but your mind doesn't relate to your body,
00:14:48 do you think that that's healthy?
00:14:49 Probably not
00:14:56 But you would have to have the wherewithal
00:14:59 To change that
00:15:00 And in a lot of cases
00:15:02 That's not possible
00:15:04 Because of the cost
00:15:06 What I always say is
00:15:08 If someone was anorexic
00:15:10 I would assume that as a society
00:15:13 It would be compassionate for us
00:15:15 To tell them
00:15:16 No you're actually not
00:15:17 Are you expecting society as a whole to be compassionate?
00:15:21 No, no, no.
00:15:22 Are you out of your mind?
00:15:23 No, no, no, that's not what I mean. 0.78
00:15:24 So if I saw someone that was anorexic, I feel like I would be compelled to tell them
00:15:30 that what their perception of themselves is, is wrong, and that it's very unhealthy for
00:15:36 them to think they're fat when they're skinny.
00:15:38 No, I don't do that.
00:15:39 Like, my brother, he started out as a kid not liking onions.
00:15:51 And mom would make a meatloaf, and he'd tear it apart and take every little speck of onion out that he could find before he ate it.
00:16:00 And now that he's, well, I'm 74, so he's 73, he's sick, physically ill, because he's
00:16:12 not, he's never got what he needed from vegetables, and his doctor is telling him that he has
00:16:20 to start eating vegetables.
00:16:21 Oh, so what you're saying is your brother made a choice.
00:16:25 He made a choice not to eat vegetables.
00:16:27 And that had a negative consequence.
00:16:29 Not that choice is killing me.
00:16:31 Exactly. 1.00
00:16:31 And I told him, I said, you're a fucking idiot. 1.00
00:16:34 And I think that's our position, right? 1.00
00:16:37 Like, you made a choice that is negatively affecting you.
00:16:41 And if you made a different choice, then you'd probably have a healthier life.
00:16:45 Well, I mean, I'm 74.
00:16:48 The only vegetable I don't eat is turnips.
00:16:50 I eat everything else.
00:16:53 So, yeah, I just wanted to ask you a question, though.
00:16:55 Do you think that children should be consenting to puberty blockers?
00:17:00 Pardon?
00:17:01 Do you think children, minors, should be consenting to puberty blockers
00:17:05 if they feel that they're born in the wrong body?
00:17:07 Should they be allowed to change their body and how they appear?
00:17:11 Now, that's a really tough one because until they're 18, they're juveniles,
00:17:15 and they're under basically the authority of their parents.
00:17:20 Now, what they could do, and I think they're allowed to do that, is get a child advocate, find one, to help them do that.
00:17:32 But they'd have to convince the powers that be that they thought in a different fashion.
00:17:43 like if you're male and you were thinking that you were born in the wrong body
00:17:50 you view yourself as female you would have to convince people that that's the way it was
00:17:57 because but should they believe should they believe a child yeah they probably wouldn't
00:18:07 believe a child it's a lot tougher to believe a child than it is to believe an adult and a lot
00:18:13 of these puberty blockers what they do is they in fact affect the child's
00:18:17 fertility so I've heard stories of people that have the transition everything in
00:18:22 society these days affects but specifically puberty blockers it is they
00:18:27 literally they destroy their own fertility so I feel like my position is
00:18:31 that children cannot consent to puberty blockers and they shouldn't be permitted
00:18:35 to have them because they cannot logically they cannot make the choice
00:18:39 That's where they would need a child advocate to prevent the adults that have authority over a child from giving them that.
00:18:50 Okay.
00:18:51 Because otherwise, who's going to listen to a child?
00:18:55 I'm going to tell you what it sounds like to me.
00:19:00 Let's say even if it was an adult, honestly.
00:19:03 Let's say I told you right now that I was on fire.
00:19:06 Right?
00:19:07 and then I just ran around looking for a fire extinguisher to put myself out
00:19:11 because I just genuinely believed I was on fire.
00:19:14 I feel like what people are asking society to do
00:19:17 is to affirm that I'm right now on fire even though it's not true.
00:19:22 And then I should go and do all of these things.
00:19:25 If that was the case,
00:19:28 I think the men with the little padded coats would come and take you away.
00:19:36 Oh, okay.
00:19:36 Great! But they would! If you're affirming that you're on fire and everybody around you looks at you and you're not, then people would automatically assume that there's something wrong up in the attic.
00:19:52 Oh my gosh! So do you think that goes to the gender issue as well?
00:19:58 Um, well, maybe not.
00:20:02 Why?
00:20:02 Because you're seeing more and more of that behavior as time goes on.
00:20:10 Well, I feel like it's worse, though.
00:20:12 Because instead of me thinking I'm on fire when I'm actually safe,
00:20:16 these people are now going and getting irreversible surgeries,
00:20:20 they're getting irreversible medication to put on their bodies,
00:20:25 to change themselves.
00:20:27 The thing is, if it's children, they need to be protected.
00:20:31 Okay. What if it's an adult?
00:20:33 That's free will.
00:20:35 Okay.
00:20:36 You have free will. You have free will. I have free will.
00:20:40 But as society, should we... 0.98
00:20:41 My free will got me into a lot of crap. 0.85
00:20:44 But should we affirm it? 0.97
00:20:45 Hey, affirm it.
00:20:48 As a society.
00:20:49 Should we say yes? You, sir, are what you say you are. You should cut off your genitals.
00:20:54 Well, now that's gone a little bit far. Because if you want to do a reassignment and the guy gets his package cut off, there's nothing left to reassign. 1.00
00:21:07 And for women, or for guys that thought they were women, if they do that, there's nothing to reassign.
00:21:18 Women, if they thought they were male, and they mutilated themselves for some foolish reason, there's nothing to reassign. 0.61
00:21:28 Fair enough. 0.65
00:21:30 And they're not getting the psychological help that they need, like honest psychological help. 0.99
00:21:40 Not some psychologist or psychiatrist that says, well, you're nuts. 1.00
00:21:45 What you're saying is garbage. 1.00
00:21:47 You know, because how do they know? 1.00
00:21:51 Well, they should ask questions.
00:21:53 Sure.
00:21:53 But if they don't want to ask questions, then the patient should go find someone that will honestly sit down and listen to them.
00:22:05 Well, I'll tell you this.
00:22:06 Now, medical professionals in the psychological field, they're actually told that they should affirm instead of asking the questions that would ask the person if they're sure.
00:22:16 That's a cop-out.
00:22:18 That's a cop-out that just makes everything too easy.
00:22:21 Exactly.
00:22:22 That's the mindset I was talking about.
00:22:26 Prime example.
00:22:28 Geez, I love it when
00:22:29 they come around and they just
00:22:32 affirm what I'm saying.
00:22:36 Yeah, we're getting...
00:22:37 This is the problem with subjects like this.
00:22:40 I guarantee you if this sign said something else
00:22:42 that's more of a...
00:22:43 Yeah, they wouldn't bother you.
00:22:44 They wouldn't bother you, exactly.
00:22:45 But the things that I don't have conversations about
00:22:48 are politics and religion.
00:22:52 Two very loaded subjects for me.
00:22:55 I've been around longer. 0.99
00:22:57 I've seen a lot more crap. 0.99
00:22:59 Do you think the topic of gender is politically loaded? 0.99
00:23:03 Yeah.
00:23:05 When you're talking about children,
00:23:09 they get older and they say, 0.77
00:23:11 well, you know, they start acting like a male would act like a female,
00:23:17 and vice versa.
00:23:20 People get, especially parents, get upset.
00:23:24 Well, my little boy thinks he's a girl, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know?
00:23:30 I should have found out what my brother and my sister-in-law thought was.
00:23:35 Their kids came out.
00:23:37 Yeah, why?
00:23:38 It's gay and lesbian. I've never talked to them.
00:23:40 Oh.
00:23:40 We were estranged for a long time.
00:23:42 Well, I was in prison for a long time.
00:23:45 But you see that in prison, too.
00:23:46 guys thinking that they're more female. 0.80
00:23:50 There were a lot of gay guys in prison.
00:23:55 And guys would harass them.
00:23:58 There was two that you didn't want to harass at all.
00:24:01 Very dangerous, because they were both golden gloves.
00:24:06 And they got beefs a lot.
00:24:10 Security never bothered them, they bothered the other guys.
00:24:14 But after a while, after a few guys got knocked out,
00:24:16 because they couldn't live it down
00:24:20 you know
00:24:22 they've embarrassed themselves
00:24:24 how do you live it down in a prison population
00:24:27 that got knocked out
00:24:28 by 0.99
00:24:29 a gay guy 0.99
00:24:31 that's not good for the pride 1.00
00:24:34 no no hell no
00:24:36 well fair enough
00:24:39 but anywho
00:24:40 I've got to go down there
00:24:43 and turn left
00:24:43 you have yourself a good day
00:24:45 Thanks for coming up.
00:24:46 I've got an hour at the kinestology building for physio.
00:24:51 Awesome.
00:24:51 Well, thanks for talking to us.
00:24:53 I had to kill some time, too.
00:24:55 How much time is it now?
00:24:58 One for 23.
00:24:59 One for 23.
00:25:00 One for 23?
00:25:00 Good.
00:25:00 My appointment's for two.
00:25:02 You've got plenty of time.
00:25:03 Have a good day.
00:25:04 God bless.
00:25:05 So we've talked to a good amount of people so far.
00:25:09 I think there's a general consensus so far based on who we've spoken to that gender is
00:25:15 not in fact a choice but you do see there's a lot of people walking by making jokes taking pictures
00:25:22 laughing and kind of mocking us so there is still the general consensus usually around
00:25:29 I'm being honest the females on campus but I think that you know we're we're gonna get a pretty good
00:25:37 response we're getting decent conversations and I think it's going overall pretty well what do you
00:25:42 Yeah, things are going pretty good here. The traffic is on and off between classes and midterms, but there's been mixed reactions, obviously, in any democracy there will be.
00:25:53 But it's been good. Things have been mostly respectful, and hopefully we get some good interactions.
00:26:01 Okay, what do you think?
00:26:03 Yeah, I just wanted to hear your guys' opinion, just to learn a bit.
00:26:08 So you want to know what we think?
00:26:09 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:26:10 Okay. Do you promise that if we tell you what we think, you'll tell us what you think?
00:26:14 Yeah, I'm just trying to learn your perspective.
00:26:17 Sure.
00:26:17 Yeah, yeah. 1.00
00:26:18 Yeah, I think me personally, cut and dry, there's two genders. 1.00
00:26:23 Okay, yeah, just because of the biological aspect to it. 0.85
00:26:27 Well, I think that gender is intrinsically tied to sex. 0.99
00:26:31 Yeah.
00:26:32 Okay, but instead of the definition of sex and gender,
00:26:34 and then gender is more of a spectrum, identity-based thing,
00:26:38 whereas sex is like a, like a biological, could you see that argument or that side? 0.99
00:26:42 Okay, but then, should we have women's spaces? 0.99
00:26:46 If, if, if a women's space is for anyone who identifies socially as a woman, 0.98
00:26:52 then should there be women's only spaces? 0.96
00:26:55 Um, see, I, I don't think I'm super partial to either side,
00:27:00 but just to, like, I guess, advocate for the other side,
00:27:04 if, I'm not just saying that I can just identify as a woman
00:27:07 and then just go to a woman's space.
00:27:08 But if that's how I felt as my identity
00:27:12 and I took the adequate steps hormonally
00:27:14 and with surgery to enable that,
00:27:18 then I think I should be able to belong in those spaces.
00:27:21 Whether I should be able to compete in sports,
00:27:23 I feel like that's a different type of question
00:27:25 because of those biological differences.
00:27:28 That's just like saying men on steroids
00:27:31 can compete in sports fairly, you know what I mean?
00:27:35 Because there's, like, a natural physical difference.
00:27:38 I feel like that's a distinction.
00:27:40 What about comfortability?
00:27:42 What do you mean comfortability?
00:27:43 Do you think that the average woman feels comfortable 0.55
00:27:46 with people who are biologically men inside their spaces? 0.97
00:27:51 And does that matter?
00:27:52 I think that's very circumstantial.
00:27:55 It's person-to-person based off their individual beliefs.
00:27:58 I can't really speak to women because I'm not one.
00:28:00 Well, I can speak to women. 1.00
00:28:02 And we do not. 1.00
00:28:03 I don't think they do.
00:28:04 We don't want to be in the same locker room as a biological male.
00:28:08 We don't want to be in the same bathroom.
00:28:10 I feel like saying we is a bit overgeneralizing. 0.99
00:28:13 I feel like there could be some women who do and who don't mind.
00:28:19 Maybe, but again, we don't know what's going on in the head of a biological male
00:28:24 when he wants to go into a female-only space.
00:28:27 We can't say what he's thinking. 0.93
00:28:28 It's true, but we also can't say what all women are thinking at the same time either.
00:28:31 We do know that porn is a thing, right? 0.86
00:28:33 so if we let men in female locker rooms yeah well okay i will agree with you there's there's
00:28:39 an aspect of it which is a little bit sexual which is like kind of natural you know what i mean
00:28:43 here um but i just think it's too much to over generalize that all women are thinking like
00:28:48 discomfort um and to be honest it's kind of hard to distinguish sometimes if you are if it is a
00:28:55 biological man especially these days you know do you think that if i if i fool you to believing
00:29:00 I'm something
00:29:01 then I am that thing
00:29:02 if I fooled you
00:29:04 into believing
00:29:04 that I'm a car
00:29:05 right now
00:29:05 do you think
00:29:06 that that would
00:29:07 make me a car
00:29:08 no no
00:29:08 but you were
00:29:09 talking about
00:29:09 the matter
00:29:11 of comfortability
00:29:11 so comfortability
00:29:12 is all about
00:29:13 like your perception
00:29:14 you just brought up
00:29:15 you know 0.86
00:29:16 you dress like a woman 1.00
00:29:18 you get a surgery 1.00
00:29:19 so you have 1.00
00:29:20 the female genitalia 1.00
00:29:22 you get 0.99
00:29:22 if I
00:29:23 I'm able to get
00:29:25 enough surgery done
00:29:26 if I'm able to
00:29:27 take enough hormones
00:29:28 to fool people
00:29:29 into believing
00:29:30 that i'm biological female does that make me biological okay so it doesn't this is a different
00:29:35 i guess question but in terms of the comfort point if i if i didn't know that you were if i'm a woman
00:29:42 and i didn't know you're a biological man yeah then you know i'd be i since i was ignorant i'd
00:29:48 be totally fine with it now you're bringing it back to whether or not the woman can be fooled
00:29:52 into believing that the biological man is a female you said if i didn't know but even if it doesn't
00:29:59 it doesn't matter whether or not someone can look at you and tell it matters what you actually are
00:30:05 because on the end at the end of the day no matter what hormones you take the man still has grip
00:30:11 strength bone density like all of these biological things that you can't change that would make him
00:30:16 stronger and if you put him in a position where there are women that are very vulnerable and he
00:30:24 has some type of tendency to you know sure then you're putting the women in danger okay yeah i
00:30:32 can understand where you're coming from and again i said i'm not like really like super partial to
00:30:35 either side i was just trying to like yeah get more perspectives and kind of share like i don't
00:30:39 mind yeah um so i can see where you're coming from at that point and i don't really have like
00:30:44 any rebuttal to that yeah so yeah i'll give you a case study real quick um so right now
00:30:50 there are sexual people that have committed sexual crimes against women that are currently
00:30:57 in prison with women and when the reason why we're out here we're not out here just to like
00:31:02 stir people up and make there are societal consequences to people believing that they
00:31:08 can just change their gender so now there's a sex offender that's in jail with women 0.72
00:31:13 that has stronger bone density stronger grip strength bigger than them stronger than them 0.96
00:31:19 and can take advantage of them when they're in change rooms or showers with the women. 0.74
00:31:25 Do you think that that's something that we should be against?
00:31:31 See, I don't want to be clipped and I don't want to say yes or no.
00:31:35 I don't want to take a hard stance on that.
00:31:36 But to be fair, on the other side, you have to take into account the mental health of the individuals
00:31:42 who are deciding to make this decision.
00:31:44 like obviously it's kind of like a very society societally it's a bit taboo to like switch genders
00:31:51 just like uh i feel like broader opinion is you know against it you know what i mean um so that
00:31:58 person is understanding that they're gonna kind of be stigmatized in doing that but yet they still
00:32:04 do um whether that the reasons as to why that's a little bit debatable but oftentimes like somebody's
00:32:10 mental health will be better if they feel
00:32:12 as if they're in a body and
00:32:14 identity that fits them truly
00:32:16 than
00:32:18 not. Do you know what I mean?
00:32:20 So there's actually no evidence
00:32:23 to suggest that people are
00:32:24 actually mentally healthier.
00:32:27 Like, no research
00:32:28 evidence that someone will be
00:32:31 mentally healthier by switching 0.51
00:32:33 gender. So have you heard of the CASE 0.98
00:32:34 study? The CASE review?
00:32:36 No, so
00:32:38 C-A-S-S.
00:32:39 I think her name was Audrey Case. I might be wrong.
00:32:44 But she went through and she looked at 50 different case studies of everything to do with gender and hormones and people changing their gender.
00:32:55 And what she came up with was that there is no evidence to suggest that someone is less likely to commit suicide if they switch genders because they feel like they're in the wrong body.
00:33:05 and instead when someone takes hormones that do not belong in their body like say a man taking
00:33:10 estrogen there's a higher risk of cancer there's a risk that they will not be able to reproduce or
00:33:16 for a woman taking testosterone it causes atrophy of female body parts right so it destroys someone's
00:33:24 ability to reproduce right so i am very against giving puberty blockers to minors simply because 0.77
00:33:33 they cannot intellectually make that choice that oh yes i want to switch gender uh and i will never 0.56
00:33:39 be able to reproduce if i have surgery right so it's like it's it's child mutilation but it's
00:33:46 socially been accepted i don't know i i think it's been a bit less than child mutilation but i do
00:33:52 agree with the fact that you know it's about decision making capacity and do you do you
00:33:55 understand like the ramifications of your decision do you understand like what you're doing um and
00:34:01 Like, is it just, like, a spur-of-the-moment decision?
00:34:02 Like, how could somebody who, like, hasn't, like, fully gone through puberty yet,
00:34:06 like, really understand if they want to be, you know, what gender they want to be?
00:34:09 And, like, can they make the most educated decision as to that?
00:34:14 But at the same time, bro, sorry, not bro, but at the same time, like, you know,
00:34:19 I don't have, like, any, like, case evidence to, like, counter that.
00:34:23 But there's a lot of flaws in certain studies.
00:34:24 Like, the sample size could have been, like, very small.
00:34:27 Like, there could have been certain biases.
00:34:28 Like, I'm not really sure, like, which study this is, but I feel like there is a valid perspective as to, like, self-esteem and, like, feelings of acceptance if somebody does feel like they belong in a body and, like, identity which more matter suits them, if that makes sense.
00:34:46 Okay, do you think that the government should recognize that, though?
00:34:50 Or do you think that that can just be on a personal level?
00:34:53 Like, them and their friends, they call themselves this thing?
00:34:56 Yeah, yeah, what would the government recognizing it mean?
00:34:58 so um if you legally wanted to change your status of your sex status or your gender status
00:35:07 according to the government that you would be a female instead of a male even though you were
00:35:12 born a male do you think that the government should recognize you as a female just because
00:35:16 it's something you chose again like to be honest i'm not trying to get clipped what does that mean
00:35:25 just speak your mind
00:35:26 there's no cameras
00:35:27 I'm just trying to stay
00:35:28 I mean there's two cameras
00:35:29 three cameras right there
00:35:30 just pretend
00:35:30 you know what I mean
00:35:33 like
00:35:33 trying to get into med school
00:35:34 so
00:35:35 yeah
00:35:36 yeah
00:35:37 okay so you know what
00:35:40 how about this
00:35:41 there's a case in Ontario
00:35:44 male
00:35:46 this guy
00:35:46 was not identifying
00:35:48 as anything
00:35:49 he was
00:35:49 he knew he was a guy
00:35:51 committed sexual crimes 0.93
00:35:53 against women
00:35:53 then
00:35:54 when he got convicted after the fact after the fact he yeah he there's actually a a fund that
00:36:01 the ontario government uses to pay for people in jail in men's jail to get them surgery to affirm
00:36:08 their gender he affirmed his gender he got the surgery now he identifies as a female and he gets
00:36:13 put into a female prison he was a man his whole life until he got caught yeah should we be allowing
00:36:22 this okay well so i think that's more of like a policy loophole um you know type of thing like
00:36:27 that's like a systemic problem with like how they've structured that law i think like the
00:36:32 whole concept of like whether somebody can um somebody who truly identifies as a woman and
00:36:38 like feels that way like that that identity um should be able to in a capacity be able to
00:36:44 change that however um like according to the government see i just think the way that the
00:36:50 government approaches it needs to be very delicate
00:36:51 it needs to be done correctly
00:36:53 so like obviously a case
00:36:55 like that where like you're using it to
00:36:57 to commit a sexual crime
00:37:00 and then you know he's changing his agenda
00:37:01 to either get out of it or commit more
00:37:03 crimes like I don't really
00:37:06 I can't stand behind that
00:37:07 but I think that's more of like a policy
00:37:10 systemic issue than like
00:37:11 So you think that the government should be able to choose
00:37:13 who they affirm and who they don't?
00:37:17 Well I
00:37:18 Do they not already? Is that not what they already do?
00:37:21 Do you think they should be able to do that?
00:37:24 Again, I'm not trying to...
00:37:24 Do they not already do that?
00:37:26 I don't know. Do they?
00:37:27 I'm not sure. I guess I'm not educated enough on this topic.
00:37:30 That's kind of my thing.
00:37:31 So the WNBA recently, they had two men that used to be NBA players.
00:37:36 Yeah, Ennis Cantor and the other guy.
00:37:38 Yeah, and then the WNBA told them that they can't join because they're not leaving.
00:37:44 But if somebody else... 0.99
00:37:46 So the WNBA is basically saying that they can choose whether or not somebody else is a woman.
00:37:52 And they get to choose whether they're being genuine.
00:37:54 Okay, no, no, but to be honest, I think it was very obvious that those two guys were not being genuine.
00:37:59 What is that? You're not affirming their gender.
00:38:01 Also, those individuals, they didn't take the measures that a lot of other people.
00:38:09 And also, I will say at the start of practice, competing in sports is a totally different thing, right?
00:38:18 And then, to be honest, the whole thing about institutions choosing gender, yada yada, like that ain't me.
00:38:24 I don't really know what factors go into those decisions, because maybe they are selecting and maybe it's biased.
00:38:31 Okay, so you don't believe that me right now, or you right now, or just some guy on the street,
00:38:36 Do you think that he has to take some type of actions towards changing his gender before he's allowed to call himself together? 0.70
00:38:42 Yeah, I would say so. 0.91
00:38:43 So if he just looked like a regular guy and he was like, I'm a girl.
00:38:46 Yeah, exactly.
00:38:47 So you wouldn't have heard of him?
00:38:48 No.
00:38:53 Okay, well, I mean like...
00:38:55 Sure.
00:38:59 Fair enough.
00:39:00 at least at least you're you're saying that you know there has to be some type
00:39:04 of marker there right I still think that there's really strong societal
00:39:10 consequences when you do that just because somebody feels like a thing
00:39:15 doesn't mean that they are a thing we had that same thing for anorexia you
00:39:19 wouldn't give like no suction
00:39:22 No, but I feel like fat is an objective measure. 0.97
00:39:26 Well, gender is also objective. 0.57
00:39:28 No, sense is objective.
00:39:30 Sex is objective, but gender points towards sense.
00:39:34 This is actually something I wanted to say earlier.
00:39:36 Do you think that words point to something?
00:39:38 Like, words are literally designed to point towards something, right?
00:39:44 Sure, like, yeah, words are like, create definitions.
00:39:46 Yeah.
00:39:47 So, with the subjective definition of gender, how it is now,
00:39:50 now where it's a spectrum what is it pointing to this no no but it points towards like okay
00:39:57 okay i have to be really careful when i say this but i think it points to things which
00:40:03 are which are classically associated with the female sex okay right so and i'm not going to get
00:40:10 into what those things are just because you know what i mean like that's different for everybody
00:40:15 and stuff like that but obviously we do agree that there have been historical
00:40:20 you know examples of men wearing dresses or skirts but they're still men they don't identify
00:40:24 as women yeah yeah but i feel like that's just too again that's like a very surface level
00:40:31 yeah so so what would someone have to do it's not even that if you're telling me that because
00:40:41 somebody is presenting as something then that's what they are then i still need to know what
00:40:48 exactly we're pointing at like you don't want to give me examples yeah isn't that a problem though
00:40:59 do you think that it's okay for you to worry about the future because of an opinion okay um
00:41:06 maybe is it right no but is it the reality yes um because you want to change that um
00:41:13 i think free speech is really important but like i think
00:41:15 I think if anyone could just go about and say anything, especially like if you're somebody with qualification, then it can create a lot of mis-education and misinformation that people will interpret in their own way.
00:41:28 So let's just say that you are a doctor and you're trying to spread a certain message, people will take little bits and pieces of that and kind of make that their either a more extremist opinion to support that, use it as evidence,
00:41:41 Or just like, you know, not take what you said and the nuance behind that and correct me.
00:41:47 Well then, do you think we should just come to license misinformation and fake speech?
00:41:52 No, I just said free speech is okay, but like, propaganda, misinformation, like that's not...
00:41:58 Like the whole point of that is to misdirect and like, you know, not spread more truth, if that makes sense.
00:42:05 So you're saying it's objectively wrong to survive?
00:42:08 Correct.
00:42:09 I don't know, I don't know bro, low-key, I have to study, so I think we've had a pretty good conversation, but yeah, okay, well, I'm not trying to guess your name. Alex, nice to meet you, Joseph.
00:42:23 Wait, can I learn more about what's going on with this?
00:42:27 All right, so the debate will probably be up on the state of the state's public speech, and it's going to find out what it's going to do.
00:42:37 Okay, and none of the things they said will be taken out of context.
00:42:41 No, we're going to be fair. We'll be fair, trust me.
00:42:44 At least for us, we put out the whole debate, or like we don't cut it.
00:42:48 We do a section of the debate, it's literally just that section.
00:42:51 So, if you want to step outside, I'll show you what we did the other day.
00:42:54 It's okay. I trust you guys. My main intention coming out was just to like hear you guys maybe learn something new and then like try to be fair to the other side. I feel like I'm not like super partial in any direction to be honest. So yeah, that was like why I came out here today. And I feel like I did like learn certain things and I'm going to stimulate my brain real quick in a good way.
00:43:22 So, um, yeah. Thank you. Nice to meet you.
00:43:26 Alright, yeah. Take care of mine.
00:43:29 Gender is a choice? 0.99
00:43:31 Uh, yeah. 0.99
00:43:33 Yeah? Yeah.
00:43:34 You think you should be able to choose it arbitrarily?
00:43:36 Yeah, I do personally think it would be cool if, um, in one way or another gender transition can be funded.
00:43:44 Oh!
00:43:45 And perhaps, um, I just personally think it would be cool if, like, people are, um,
00:43:52 If there's people that are worried about when controversy happens, when a person does not yet look like their preferred gender,
00:44:05 or if gender-conference between feminist, a person can appear like their chosen gender sooner,
00:44:13 in that case, that would reduce some of the controversy into the future in some cases. 0.95
00:44:17 Why?
00:44:18 Because people are worried about, like, I heard people talk about trans women that are at the beginning of their transition journey in the washroom, and stuff like that, so perhaps if they are able to be, through certain funding, they are able to look like a woman more.
00:44:42 if they can
00:44:46 through funding they can look like a little more
00:44:48 it's going to reduce all the discomfort 0.97
00:44:49 do you think being a woman though is just how you look? 0.97
00:44:54 do you think being a woman is just
00:44:56 how you look?
00:44:57 is there more to being a woman or is it just physical features?
00:45:06 but like we have to like 0.98
00:45:08 have our definitions
00:45:09 if it's just how someone looks
00:45:11 that it's arbitrary. This is for social media.
00:45:20 Thanks for coming up, though.
00:45:21 I don't know if you want to use my definition.
00:45:28 I think that gender is a metric that we use to point towards sex.
00:45:36 Do you agree with that? So I don't think that you can just make up multiple different
00:45:40 There's two genders, there's two sexes and the gender is what we use to point towards folks.
00:45:45 Did you hear that?
00:45:47 Yeah? Okay, cool. To your face.
00:45:49 It's for free! It's for free!
00:45:52 Have we seen this?
00:45:55 Hecklers! How come they don't want to talk? 0.99
00:45:58 Why don't they want to talk, man?
00:46:00 To me, it's just, you have your sex, that's not a choice.
00:46:04 You have your expression of that, which has its own stereotypes and is usually the case.
00:46:09 But you are free to express as you please
00:46:12 Yeah
00:46:12 And gender is just a muddy term
00:46:16 To kind of combine the two 0.98
00:46:17 Which I don't want to follow at all
00:46:19 Yeah
00:46:19 Do you think that nothing would really change
00:46:23 Or nothing negative would happen
00:46:25 If we just removed the word gender altogether
00:46:27 And just used sex 0.83
00:46:27 Yeah 0.99
00:46:28 Like I think everything can either be 0.99
00:46:31 Put in the bucket of sex 0.98
00:46:33 Or put in the bucket of your expression 1.00
00:46:36 Yeah
00:46:36 Yeah
00:46:37 Do you think
00:46:38 Because you have the bill, like, C-16, where they wrote gender expression into the criminal code, made it a human right.
00:46:45 Do you agree with that, or are you against that ruling?
00:46:50 They made gender expression a human right?
00:46:52 Yeah.
00:46:53 So, like, if someone says that, for example, there was a case where someone was trying to apply for a male appointment,
00:47:02 and there was no other option, it only said male and female,
00:47:05 they were actually able to sue the salon yeah because of this rule
00:47:13 I mean I believe you have the right to your own business practice
00:47:17 I would kind of supersede whatever this bill is talking about
00:47:22 right yeah I agree I agree well you're based
00:47:26 what's your name Logan Logan nice to meet you Joseph
00:47:29 nice to meet you Logan I'm Sarah you got anything else
00:47:34 No, we're just fighting for the right for you to say what you just said.
00:47:37 Have a good day.
00:47:39 We're just holding a sign, trying to start a conversation, have a discussion with people.
00:47:43 About gender, and whether or not it's a choice.
00:47:47 Would you like to...
00:47:49 Um...
00:47:51 I feel like my personal opinion is pretty unfair, as long as you are, like, being hyper-man.
00:47:56 As long as you're not... sorry again.
00:47:58 So, like, whenever you're doing it not affecting my life, I don't really care.
00:48:02 Like you personally?
00:48:04 Like you personally?
00:48:06 Yeah
00:48:08 Not like society at whole?
00:48:10 I don't know
00:48:12 Do you care what happens in our society, in our cities?
00:48:14 I don't think it's up to me
00:48:16 You don't think so?
00:48:18 I think you should have a little bit more important
00:48:20 You're an important person and I feel like, you know
00:48:22 You should be able to
00:48:24 You know, join society with the rest of us
00:48:26 What do you guys think? Is gender a choice?
00:48:30 Like, gender... 0.99
00:48:32 Gender. 0.67
00:48:32 Or, like, sex and boyfriend.
00:48:35 I think it's the same thing. 0.97
00:48:37 Yeah, I think that gender points towards sex.
00:48:41 So, you can only really identify it as something that's in objective reality.
00:48:47 But a lot of people don't believe that, so we're just asking people what they think.
00:48:51 I mean, like, I'm a scientific one of you.
00:48:53 Like, you're either, like, a man or a woman.
00:48:58 But I can always speak from my experience, and I will like, you're a fact of a man, but some people think they're a different gender, I can't speak of it, I guess.
00:49:07 Would you affirm it?
00:49:09 Would I affirm it? 0.97
00:49:10 Yeah, if they said, you know what, but I am a girl, and I'm going to go into that girl's locker room right now. 0.61
00:49:14 Are you going to, would you affirm that?
00:49:18 He said no.
00:49:20 Wait, so, just like, wait, what's the last question?
00:49:24 If like a man's going into like a girl's locker room.
00:49:26 Yeah, like, just like a guy.
00:49:28 Let's say he looks like your friend here.
00:49:30 Personally, like, if I was a woman, I wouldn't want that.
00:49:33 But I've also talked to some women that are fine with it.
00:49:35 So, personally, no.
00:49:38 Like, if it's, like, sports or, like, give everyone documents, no.
00:49:41 But it's like, oh, I would dress like a girl.
00:49:43 Whatever.
00:49:44 You do it, you do it.
00:49:45 Yeah.
00:49:45 That's a reasonable position.
00:49:46 Yeah, that's what I think as well.
00:49:48 Yeah.
00:49:48 Yeah.
00:49:49 I actually agree.
00:49:50 Like, if you, anything you want to do on your personal, you know, but you're not going
00:49:54 call yourself a girl and go to girls prisons you're not gonna go on their
00:49:58 sports you're not gonna go in their lockers bathrooms yeah right I think 0.71
00:50:04 it's pretty reasonable yeah it's better for the women right when yes is gender
00:50:07 choice I think it's a personal choice but if you're like affecting other
00:50:09 people that you can be whatever gender you want in your living room good just
00:50:18 curious I mean I just like watching a good spectacle oh what do you think is
00:50:23 the spectacle part all right have a good day oh yeah we just want to have a conversation with
00:50:31 people i think that there's not this topic is being you know shut away from public eye
00:50:37 and it's being you know decided for us so the gender topic of whether or not it's a choice
00:50:42 what do i personally think i'll tell you what uh if i tell you what i think can you tell me
00:50:49 what you think after i don't have to do that okay so i don't have to tell you what i think
00:50:53 But Joseph, we have to know your skin is so shiny. Please tell us. Come on.
00:50:58 Oh my God, are you that guy from online that's all that's talking about my skin?
00:51:01 No, I don't know who that is.
00:51:02 So how do you know my name's Joseph?
00:51:04 Good. I'm a big fan. I watch your content or your Instagram page, man.
00:51:09 We have to know who you are.
00:51:10 Are you a fan in the sense that you're a fan like you like me or you hate me?
00:51:14 No, I like you, man. I don't spread hate. You know, I don't spread hate.
00:51:17 I'm here just to spread positivity.
00:51:19 Are you guys students?
00:51:20 No, I'm not a student, no.
00:51:21 What do you, like, this is kind of a waste of time.
00:51:24 Oh, why do you think it's a waste of time?
00:51:26 Okay.
00:51:27 I'm just going to tell you my position.
00:51:31 You want to tell your...
00:51:32 So my position, pretty simple. 0.93
00:51:35 Gender points towards something. 0.99
00:51:37 It has to point towards something. 0.88
00:51:39 I believe that it points towards sexual orientation, your sex, so your biological sex,
00:51:44 and nothing else it can really point towards.
00:51:47 So that's my position.
00:51:48 yeah and i would say i think gender and sex are very much connected um i personally believe that
00:51:57 if you're in a full adult a consenting adult then you can do what you want as long as it
00:52:02 doesn't affect other people and if you're a minor i don't think they're i don't think you
00:52:07 should be consenting to things like puberty blockers or sex changes when you're a minor
00:52:12 because you really can't make that full consent when you're that young right so we
00:52:16 What's the danger of a puberty blocker?
00:52:19 It destroys one's fertility.
00:52:21 It doesn't, actually.
00:52:22 It does. 0.99
00:52:24 Testosterone, for sure, atrophies the female organs and stuff like that. 1.00
00:52:30 So there are women. 1.00
00:52:31 I don't think you've done your research on this. 1.00
00:52:33 I have.
00:52:34 Have you heard of the case study?
00:52:36 The case review?
00:52:38 Oh, so you're going to talk about one group.
00:52:40 It was a woman, an academic from England, who reviewed 50 studies into puberty blockers, sex changes, and everything else.
00:52:48 And she found real evidence that men taking estrogen can lead to increased risk of cancer, to fertility problems, everything else.
00:53:02 But this deliberately affects it.
00:53:04 You know we have sin taxes against those things because we know that they have negative effects in society.
00:53:09 So do you think we should put a syntax?
00:53:15 Well, it affects them, but when but what I have I have a
00:53:22 Yeah, but I don't believe that someone's right to do what they want should affect me
00:53:28 See I have an opinion on that, but my opinion I 1.00
00:53:32 Don't believe that we should have biological men in women's sports 1.00
00:53:37 so they can do what they want but they should not be allowed to beat up women 0.53
00:53:42 earn women's trophies otherwise it has happened that in the paris i would know in the paris
00:53:49 olympics there was a biological male who actually he won the goal at least the trophy for that
00:53:55 particular section does anyone remember the name okay well you could look it up it was very it was
00:54:04 very you could look it yeah there's like a volleyball player that like spiked the ball
00:54:09 into a female's face and gave her a concussion it was a transgender individual are you okay with 0.53
00:54:16 that am i okay with that yeah am i okay with this one person maybe are you okay with men 0.99
00:54:23 who are literally physically stronger than women going into their sports and spiking balls into
00:54:29 their face before you as a trans woman would get to compete in sports doesn't matter it's always 0.96
00:54:34 going to be you have bone density you have grip strength it's impossible it's impossible to 0.98
00:54:43 completely get rid of the physical advantage that men have over women there's no surgery 0.82
00:54:49 there's no amount of hormones you can take to completely get rid of it okay so you agree
00:54:55 I agree with that.
00:54:56 You agree that there's no way to completely get rid of our physical advantage, but who
00:55:00 wouldn't?
00:55:01 I didn't say that.
00:55:02 Well, do you disagree?
00:55:03 I don't think it doesn't matter.
00:55:04 It doesn't matter what I think.
00:55:05 Okay.
00:55:06 It doesn't matter what you think.
00:55:07 Do you think that it's okay for us to have a position that doesn't personally affect
00:55:15 us but affects society?
00:55:16 Well, it would affect me, actually.
00:55:17 So, yes, I do have a problem with that. 1.00
00:55:20 Are you trans? 1.00
00:55:21 Yeah. 0.97
00:55:22 Or are there two trans? 0.99
00:55:23 What if I was?
00:55:24 But I do have a position that...
00:55:27 Why would it matter whether we're trans, whether we have this opinion or not? 0.97
00:55:31 Yes, it should.
00:55:32 Why?
00:55:33 Can you have opinions on gun rights if you don't own a gun?
00:55:38 Why?
00:55:40 It doesn't apply to you because you don't own a gun.
00:55:42 So you can't have an opinion on gun rights, right?
00:55:47 Ah!
00:55:49 Can you?
00:55:51 Can you have an opinion on gun rights if you don't own a gun?
00:55:54 Sure, but that's not...
00:55:55 Oh, see, so I can have an opinion on transgenderism if I'm not transgender, then. 0.99
00:56:00 They're completely different things. 0.99
00:56:02 Why?
00:56:03 They're societal problems.
00:56:04 Explain how they're different.
00:56:05 How are they different?
00:56:06 One is an identity.
00:56:08 So?
00:56:09 I identify as a gun owner.
00:56:11 That's a fundamental difference.
00:56:12 I identify as a gun owner.
00:56:13 Okay, I'm kind of done with this.
00:56:14 I do not consent for you to use that video, by the way.
00:56:18 I do not consent to you walking away.
00:56:20 they're walking away guys he is walking away what's your name yeah i'm william william this
00:56:32 is my friend callum okay so you're callum yeah gotcha nice to meet you callum great to meet you
00:56:38 too joseph thanks for supporting yes of course you know what as long as it's as long as it stays
00:56:43 free you know what my job in a different form yes oh you should see my Christ
00:57:01 This bank account is full.
00:57:03 A full soul and a full heart.
00:57:08 God bless you.
00:57:08 But yeah, I do have a job.
00:57:10 Thanks.
00:57:12 I think you're supposed to love my neighbor and stuff like that.
00:57:15 I do.
00:57:16 And you know what?
00:57:16 I love you enough to tell you that there are decisions that you can make, whether or not
00:57:23 anyone else believes it, that can harm you.
00:57:26 And I'm going to tell you that they're going to harm you so that you don't make those decisions.
00:57:30 Just like if I was anorexic and I was 80 pounds, I would love it if you told me not to go get liposuction.
00:57:41 That would, I would appreciate that.
00:57:44 That thought didn't make any sense.
00:57:46 Oh, you don't think so, eh?
00:57:47 No.
00:57:48 No?
00:57:49 Okay, so let's run through it.
00:57:51 Let's run through it.
00:57:51 Wait, don't walk away.
00:57:52 Let's run through it.
00:57:53 So, just give me one second.
00:57:58 Okay.
00:57:59 Get a life.
00:58:00 and pick what your life identifies as how you doing i'm good i don't know if you remember me
00:58:05 earlier i definitely do share my opinion welcome back so my opinion is i agree with the biology side
00:58:13 okay however um people should have the choice to choose what they like people should be allowed to
00:58:21 choose their perspective perspective is the right word sure and we have to be respectful for that
00:58:28 Yeah, that's my position.
00:58:30 I have your position.
00:58:31 Thank you.
00:58:32 And do you think that it's okay if people disagree with people's choices?
00:58:40 Like I said, I'm with the biology for my perspective.
00:58:44 Yeah, but you think it's okay for them to have that position, for me to have mine?
00:58:48 Like, I think I should be able to say no.
00:58:50 Free speech, right?
00:58:52 I think I should be allowed to say I disagree with you,
00:58:56 but I should not be attacking someone else for their position.
00:58:59 Someone else can say yes, and I can say no.
00:59:01 I agree.
00:59:02 Are you guys taking a specific stance on what you believe?
00:59:07 We personally, but opinions that are different than ours are absolutely welcome.
00:59:13 Our whole point is that we want to have conversations with people.
00:59:17 Yeah.
00:59:19 Are they all going to be recorded?
00:59:20 Yes.
00:59:21 I hope so.
00:59:22 What's it for, though?
00:59:23 Canadian Students for Free Speech.
00:59:25 So what?
00:59:26 Like, it's not an organization?
00:59:28 Mm-hmm.
00:59:29 Okay.
00:59:30 Yeah.
00:59:31 Okay.
00:59:32 How long are you guys going to be here?
00:59:33 I'm not really sure.
00:59:34 Probably another...
00:59:35 Yeah, another 20 minutes.
00:59:37 Oh.
00:59:38 You want to come back with...
00:59:40 You want to...
00:59:41 Well, no, because I was going to go get food, and then I, like, low-key wanted to say something,
00:59:45 but...
00:59:46 You've got five minutes right now.
00:59:48 Are you super quick here?
00:59:49 yeah i could i got five minutes okay what's up hello um so do you guys just want me to straight
00:59:56 up answer the question right now yeah sure let's hear your side um yeah so i personally do think
01:00:01 that gender is a choice in the sense of just like i think like people often confuse the difference
01:00:08 between sex and gender like the sex of what you're assigned at birth versus what you believe you feel
01:00:14 most comfortable fitting into um based on like stereotypes or the way that society identifies
01:00:19 what makes a man and what makes a woman um so i do think that gender is a choice but then i think
01:00:26 that like sex that's something that is a completely separate argument of just like the scientific
01:00:31 basis of what you truly like are but not what you have to identify as what do you think gender is
01:00:38 pointing towards like when we have words their words are just like what we use to point towards
01:00:44 something that's in reality so what do you think gender is pointing towards um
01:00:49 i guess i kind of want to say like gender is pointing towards the way that i think we should
01:00:57 act within society like i think that gender is something that has a lot of um stereotypes and
01:01:03 like connotations with it of just like when you look at the whole thing of oh men should be doing
01:01:09 the hard work and then women should be in the kitchen um and like that sort of stuff like i
01:01:12 think that is a lot of what gender is and what people see gender as is a way of like how you
01:01:17 view yourself in the mold of how society has like historically viewed you so like gender is like
01:01:22 stereotypical ways that people of a different sexes act yeah i think so but i think now in
01:01:30 like today's age especially in like 2026 in very recent years i think we're kind of seeing a big
01:01:35 shift in that with the way that gender roles are changing um and it's especially compared to like
01:01:41 the past in history but yeah no like i think there is a big change in just how people approach it
01:01:48 especially like the argument of what women's roles in a household are or in society are in
01:01:52 comparison to men's well even if you remove the roles aspect we still need to be pointed towards
01:02:00 what something is so like for example um i know that a car isn't a bike because there are certain
01:02:08 things that a car has with a book bike don't right so when i think of gender i think of gender as
01:02:15 pointing towards a specific sex and the reason why i do that is because if we don't have that
01:02:20 distinction then we have a lot of societal problems that follow from that i'll give you an example
01:02:27 right now there's a male sex offender that got surgery from the ontario from their ontario
01:02:34 system and after he committed crimes against women as a male he decided arbitrarily in court
01:02:41 that he is now a female and then he got surgery and was sent to a female prison this is a person
01:02:48 that just sexually assaulted women so since we have this new idea of gender that it doesn't
01:02:54 necessarily have to correspond with your sex now we're seeing people taking advantage of that
01:02:59 and i think they're taking advantage of it in very nefarious ways that can be prevented
01:03:04 yeah no I definitely do agree with I haven't heard of that specific case and I'll look into
01:03:08 that later on but I do agree with what you're saying of the fact that people take advantage
01:03:12 of these different um of like people's differing beliefs on what gender and what sex is and
01:03:19 especially today with like um like I don't want to necessarily say woke but I think people just
01:03:25 trying to be accepting of so many different things while also trying to like get their
01:03:30 point across i think yeah i agree that a lot of it gets lost in like translation and a lot of it
01:03:35 um gets taken advantage of like in the instance that you were just talking about yeah um so i
01:03:40 think that's something where i don't necessarily like agree as much because i don't think gender
01:03:46 should be used as something that you can just get in and out of whenever it benefits you right or
01:03:50 whenever you see the most benefit like i think that's what it's a hard thing but i think that's
01:03:54 the issue with like society now is that we're trying to be so open to a lot of different things
01:03:58 and there's nothing wrong with that but I think in the issue of us being open to change and open
01:04:03 to different viewpoints and beliefs we're also losing um just like the true definition of a word
01:04:11 and the actual meaning of a word so you think maybe tolerance has boundaries yeah definitely
01:04:17 yeah do you think uh so do you think there's anything physical to being a woman though or
01:04:24 Or is it just how you look or how you want to call it yourself?
01:04:28 I think this is what makes it difficult because I think, yeah, there are physical qualities that bring you to being a woman.
01:04:36 Like obviously having the private areas that women do, being able to carry a child.
01:04:40 But then also being a woman comes with a lot of the issues that we have in society of us not being able to do certain things.
01:04:49 and a lot of the criticisms that women face that men don't.
01:04:55 And so I think when people take that and they say they are a woman
01:05:01 but they've never faced the same barriers that a lot of women face
01:05:03 of not being able to make the same wage, 1.00
01:05:06 not being able to access certain things like the rights of their own body
01:05:11 and that sort of stuff, I think that's where a lot of it gets taken advantage 0.61
01:05:14 and misrepresentative of what a woman is. 0.99
01:05:18 never even had a period yeah believe that yeah so i think periods don't make you a woman like i
01:05:26 think women are much more than just the unfortunate things that happen in the month
01:05:30 yeah no exactly and like childbirth is also one of those things um so do you think being a woman
01:05:37 is a right that someone can just claim or is it more of a privilege well i think being a woman
01:05:43 is a fantastic thing i think i'm biased because i am a woman um but i think that yeah it's a right
01:05:48 I think it's also a privilege like I would never me personally I would never want to take away the
01:05:52 fact that I am a woman and it's like very sometimes it can be hard to see people that want to
01:05:57 transition into becoming a woman because they might have like easier access to certain things
01:06:02 like there's a lot of debate over trans people in women's sports which is something I don't 0.60
01:06:08 necessarily agree with in the sense of they transition later on when a lot of their themselves 0.97
01:06:13 has already developed and so they're going into a female uh a female dominated dominated area that 1.00
01:06:18 already does not have a lot of funding and a lot of opportunity in the same sense of male sports
01:06:22 but it's because they'll get more opportunity from that and that's something that i don't agree with
01:06:27 yeah so you mentioned that people transitioning earlier on do you agree with giving like puberty
01:06:34 blockers and special hormones to minors uh i think that's not something i'm educated well
01:06:42 enough on to actually form an opinion i think that's at the discretion of the person and at
01:06:46 the discretion of the parents like i think that's a bigger discussion for them personally i would
01:06:52 not but that's my personal like belief for myself i wouldn't but i don't know enough to be able to
01:06:57 actually like properly answer the question because there's a lot of research to suggest that
01:07:01 a male taking more estrogen could actually lead to cancer risks there's a lot of research to say
01:07:07 that a woman taking testosterone can lead to fertility issues to atrophy in certain female
01:07:12 parts so there's a lot to suggest that taking hormones that aren't part of your biological sex
01:07:19 can actually physically harm you so when it comes to minors taking puberty blockers or s or
01:07:26 different different hormones and things that are not normal to their body it's actually very
01:07:31 harmful to them so yes i know as a society we want to be tolerant and accepting but i don't
01:07:37 think children can consent to that because their fertility is on the line their their future life
01:07:42 they may one day want to have kids and their fertility is dependent on their biological sex 0.86
01:07:48 right so like they can't it's something that no one can change yeah we'd have to rip apart every
01:07:53 single one of ourselves to actually change our biological sex yeah no that's what you're saying
01:07:57 i think i am running out of time okay no problem that's a fair point to end on i think some of
01:08:01 the stuff you guys have brought up, like, I'll do a better job at looking into it, just
01:08:05 so I have, like, more of an overall, like, grounded view on things that are on both sides,
01:08:10 but I appreciated talking to you guys, I thought it was very, very interesting, um, yeah, I
01:08:16 hope the rest of the day.
01:08:17 Thanks for coming up.
01:08:18 Respectful.
01:08:19 Yeah, what's your name?
01:08:20 Nice to meet you, Benathan, Sarah.
01:08:21 Nice to meet you, Joseph.
01:08:22 Nice to meet you guys.
01:08:23 Have a good day.
01:08:24 Do you think gender is a choice?
01:08:31 do you know what gender means like the term you know like biological sex oh yeah so gender like
01:08:44 we believe that gender and biological sex are the exact same thing but what the way gender is
01:08:50 commonly defined is as someone's expression of their sex right so we believe that gender and
01:08:58 sex are the same thing and that you can express yourself but it should not be
01:09:03 connected to your sex are you sure about that you want to live in a world where
01:09:09 people just do whatever they want oh their gender so about this particular
01:09:20 I would look at someone named Billboard. He is really good on this topic. He does this
01:09:34 sort of thing where he talks to people about the issues of gender and sex and everything
01:09:38 else, but his big issue is giving puberty blockers to children. What people are basically doing
01:09:44 is they're giving these puberty blockers to children, and it's ruining their fertility. 0.99
01:09:49 Right, so if we give a puberty blocker and testosterone to a girl, it could, she will 0.83
01:09:55 not develop her fertility correctly, she means that we don't have kids, right, so that's 0.99
01:10:01 a lot of our...
01:10:03 Thanks, appreciate it, man, thanks for your support.
01:10:07 Yeah, so, yeah, just look up at Billboard Chris.
01:10:11 So he is a, yeah, I can write it through, yeah, thank you.
01:10:19 How you doing, man? 0.99
01:10:23 Any gender's a choice? 0.83
01:10:24 So him right there.
01:10:25 So he does this sort of thing on the street as well.
01:10:31 And he'll talk to young people and everyone else about gender
01:10:34 and about giving puberty blockers to children.
01:10:38 So his case is that, yes, someone can be gay or lesbian or whatever,
01:10:42 but they should not be trying to change their sex when they're a child.
01:10:46 and that like he uh if you watch a lot of his content he goes around he talks about the horrible
01:10:54 things that can happen to children like this one girl she had a double mastectomy at puberty
01:11:00 walkers when she was like 12 and 13 and went on testosterone when she was 14 and she is she
01:11:06 doesn't have breasts anymore and she's basically infertile and she's like she'd de-transition or 0.78
01:11:12 she wants to get away and become a woman again, but she can't have kids. 1.00
01:11:16 So who asked her to do surgery? 1.00
01:11:18 To have surgery? 1.00
01:11:20 Yeah, yeah.
01:11:21 Doctors.
01:11:22 How you doing?
01:11:23 Yes.
01:11:24 Good.
01:11:25 Doctors and, yeah, so that's one of his most viewed videos, I think, is talking to that
01:11:32 girl. 0.99
01:11:33 Her name is Clementine. 0.99
01:11:34 Is that literally what that is?
01:11:35 Yeah, she was talking about how the doctors basically told her that if she had trauma
01:11:40 when she was a child sexual sexual trauma she began to question herself as a woman and no one
01:11:45 addressed that trauma and instead said oh if you're questioning yourself that means you're a man
01:11:49 and so she decided to go through these surgeries they were very easy to get for her as a child
01:11:54 and now she is no longer fertile so yeah look him up he he's really good um yeah i would encourage
01:12:03 you to watch some of his videos yeah awesome thank you for coming out what's your name
01:12:07 Nice to meet you, I'm Sarah.
01:12:37 good day and we had a good conversations. I enjoyed it. It was fun. This is not a topic
01:12:42 that I typically debate, so I had a lot of fun. Hopefully I'll debate it again in the
01:12:47 future.