Gun Skeptic Gets A Reality Check -- Here’s What Happened
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In this episode, we talk about gun control and gun control in Canada. We discuss gun ownership in general, and the pros and cons of having a gun license. We also discuss whether or not guns should be legal in Canada, and if they should be used in self-defense.
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I do think that is true. I'm in the mindset of I want to rob a home and I know that 90% of the
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population has a gun. There's less incentive for me to do that. Like, you think the energy
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should be put towards getting rid of the illegal guns and allowing proper gun owners to have the
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right? I don't think that's a ridiculous claim.
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Okay, so that is the license you need to have in order to own a firearm or even buy ammunition.
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So in order for someone to get their POW, it's called a POW,
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in order for them to get that, they have to take the Canadian Firearm Safety Course,
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which is like an eight-hour course, and it's drilled into someone like,
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this is how you be safe, this is where you point or whatever,
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this is how you deal with a misfire and everything else.
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And then once you know that you've passed it, then you can apply for your license.
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So it takes like months and months to even get there.
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So once you have your license, though, you have your POW, you can have a firearm.
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even if you don't have a firearm once you have your pal every single day you get a background
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check oh every day yes it's like every day so if the government sees that oh there's a possibility
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that you might do something with your firearm yeah or that they're like there's a possibility
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of mental illness or whatever they check up on you and if need be they take your license and
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your firearms right so it makes sense then that 98 of the gun violence in canada is not done by
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pal holders it's done by people that who are legally who illegally possess these firearms
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right yeah so that's 98 and 80 88 88 of the guns that they use shouldn't even be in canada
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illegal firearms right right so it's like pal holders are extremely safe and the gun violence
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that we do have in canada could be like drastically minimized if we caught a hold of like all these
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illegal guns right what percentage of guns in canada are illegal i actually don't know that
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number right i don't think anyone knows that number so only like only two percent of power
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holders like commit violent crime well no no not two percent of that two percent of the of the gun
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violence right is actual like one or two percent it's like really really small right and that could
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actually be minimized too but i think we should actually look at the 98 first and see how they're
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getting their firearms and prevent them from doing that yeah before we go and say hey ban all guns
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Because when you ban guns, you're just banning them from the people who already lawfully have them.
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So, like, it's already illegal for these individuals to have their firearms, but they have them anyway because...
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Is, like, is there, like, a question, or is it just, like, you want my opinion on it?
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No, this is just, like, me, like, I'm just trying to get, like, honest conversations on the street.
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Like, would you say that it's a good idea to ban guns anyway?
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I mean, I'm from a small hometown, so I know that a lot of people hunt,
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and I know that they all have a fair amount of guns and they like doing that.
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I feel as though, like, if you're not, if you don't have a reason like that,
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if you just want to have a gun, I don't know if it's necessarily the best option.
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See, that's kind of where it gets a little bit iffy for me,
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because if it's for self-defense, like, I guess it could depend what neighborhood you're from
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or something like that, but for self-defense there, I'm pretty sure,
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I don't know the stat on this, but I'm pretty sure that there is, like, a large chance of, like, hurting someone that you know with it being self-defense.
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Like, say you're a parent with a gun in a safe, and you don't know your kid is sneaking out at night.
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And then they come in, and then you don't hear them, right?
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And you feel as though there's someone in your house, you accidentally fire on your kid.
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so i feel like it's like it is an edge case yeah yeah i guess that's true but do you think
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self-defense is a human right i mean self-defense yes but i do think that there's other methods of
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self-defense i don't think i think a gun is pretty much last resort for self-defense like there's
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there's baseball bats there's everything like that and in canada too you're not allowed to
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shoot and kill someone on your property even if they are breaking into your home like
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it's they don't specifically spell it out but technically yes you can defend yourself with a
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firearm so people actually is it if your life is at risk or is it um if it's reasonable force i
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think like you can but they might prosecute you anyway because they don't like people doing that
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just because it doesn't look well politically um but there was a case recently where someone
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actually was able to defend their home and like get away with it they actually shot one of the
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invaders because they were coming in but if you come across like a lot of these people have like
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illegal handguns right if you come across them with a handgun in your home like what alternative
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is there to defend your home except with a firearm yeah i mean i do think that's also kind of an edge
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case i don't think that a lot of people like i think that robberies do happen but i don't know
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how many people are going in with with guns and stuff and i think that it's kind of a slippery
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slope for people to say oh I'm getting this for self-defense because we we see in the states
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that's what a lot of the people who have guns and feel it's a right to own guns um that's their
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excuse that they have all these guns for self-defense and then they have automatic guns
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they have handguns they have all these different types of things that are just excessive I think
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that if we allowed it to keep on going and like everyone was just like oh yeah I have one for
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self-defense then everyone has a gun and then that's not great yeah um well actually there's
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actually a book that came out recently more guns less crime are they waiting for you yeah they can
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go though yeah okay yeah so uh the premise of that is that if some if there are more firearms in
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society more people carrying or more people having them in their home there could actually be less
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crime because if you're breaking into a home and you know that 90% of the people in that
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neighborhood have a firearm out there what are the chances that you might think about maybe not
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doing that I mean I do think that is true I think that if if I'm in the mindset of I need or I want
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to rob a home I want to harm someone and I know that 90% of the population has a gun there's less
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incentive for me to do that but in the sense that like i go into i'm robbing a bank right
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and then everyone in there has a gun then it's just like an a shootout and then you're like
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who has the gun who doesn't like it just it gets it gets a little bit complicated there i i just
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don't i don't i think that for me guns can be used for recreational purposes like if it's your hobby
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and you just, like, I guess, like shooting guns on, like, a range or for hunting.
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But I think self-defense is too much of a slippery slope for people having an opportunity.
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And we also see, like, I know, like, someone in my, like, hometown,
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he actually killed himself with his parents' gun.
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The majority of Despae guns in Canada are actually suicide, so...
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Right, but that means that there was a gun in the household, you know.
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I don't think that, even in the scenario that I'm talking about where if you have a hunting gun, that it's fine.
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Like, those parents had a hunting gun and then their son, unfortunately, did that.
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I don't think that those parents are super stoked that they had a gun to begin with, you know.
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I think that there are a lot of cases that could be avoided like that.
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Yeah, well, there's actually, like, really strict laws on gun storage, too.
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um that someone who doesn't have the PAL shouldn't even have access to the gun case which is probably
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what happened in that case like if the if there was like mental health issues in the in that case
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then they should not have had access to the firearms at all so yeah no um yeah so i would
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say though there are a lot of cases that are not talked about on the news but of people who have
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firearms who actually deter an attack no no shots fired at all because there's the presence of that
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firearm yeah right yeah i mean that's fair but if if if we're talking about people using firearms
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to disable other citizens i think that there has to be extra precautions put in place with the pow
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certification if if that if this is the end goal for people to have guns and be able to assert
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themselves over people committing a crime then there should be extra parts within the pow
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a certification of how to use it in these instances what to do because I mean I don't
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even know that that would actually happen they're actually trying to take firearms away from like
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the the people that are not committing the crime right now right yeah I mean but then what's the
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point of people having firearms like what's the point of the argument then that people having
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firearms stops crime if they're trying to just take away it all well it does people having firearms
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does deter crime it does but they're that the government is trying to take farms away because
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they it's a political move it's like a ploy they want to win the quebec vote and so they have this
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this gun buyback program out there and the whole idea is that oh like with like this political
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ploy there it's like a huge waste of money because firearm owners know that it's like a total total
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flop. It's just, they're not even like, most provinces are not even like complying with
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it because it's just ridiculous. I mean, it's going to do nothing, like nothing for crime
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whatsoever and nothing to save lives at all. Like you're saying them taking away legal
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guns is the problem. That is part of the problem. I mean, well, the biggest problem though
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is them allowing illegal guns in the country, which is what is causing it. Did they purposefully
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allow that because it's illegal? I don't know if they would have purposefully allowed illegal
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guns. Well, not purposely, but they're not doing anything to stop it. Right. Like, they...
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Like, you think the energy should be put towards getting rid of the illegal guns and allowing
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proper gun owners to be, who are checked on the daily, to have the right? Yeah. I don't