Unify Action - May 04, 2026


Gun Skeptic Gets A Reality Check -- Here’s What Happened

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In this episode, we talk about gun control and gun control in Canada. We discuss gun ownership in general, and the pros and cons of having a gun license. We also discuss whether or not guns should be legal in Canada, and if they should be used in self-defense.

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00:00:00.000 I do think that is true. I'm in the mindset of I want to rob a home and I know that 90% of the
00:00:04.720 population has a gun. There's less incentive for me to do that. Like, you think the energy
00:00:09.360 should be put towards getting rid of the illegal guns and allowing proper gun owners to have the
00:00:14.160 right? I don't think that's a ridiculous claim.
00:00:17.560 Acquisition and acquisition licenses.
00:00:19.980 Uh, no. I do not.
00:00:22.100 Okay, so that is the license you need to have in order to own a firearm or even buy ammunition.
00:00:27.620 Okay.
00:00:28.200 All right.
00:00:28.760 So in order for someone to get their POW, it's called a POW,
00:00:32.340 in order for them to get that, they have to take the Canadian Firearm Safety Course,
00:00:35.480 which is like an eight-hour course, and it's drilled into someone like,
00:00:39.860 this is how you be safe, this is where you point or whatever,
00:00:42.320 this is how you deal with a misfire and everything else.
00:00:44.200 Yeah.
00:00:44.420 So it's a very extensive course.
00:00:46.340 And then once you know that you've passed it, then you can apply for your license.
00:00:50.980 Okay.
00:00:51.240 So it takes like months and months to even get there.
00:00:53.280 Yeah.
00:00:53.440 Right? 0.70
00:00:53.900 So once you have your license, though, you have your POW, you can have a firearm.
00:00:57.300 even if you don't have a firearm once you have your pal every single day you get a background
00:01:01.760 check oh every day yes it's like every day so if the government sees that oh there's a possibility
00:01:07.860 that you might do something with your firearm yeah or that they're like there's a possibility
00:01:11.920 of mental illness or whatever they check up on you and if need be they take your license and
00:01:15.660 your firearms right so it makes sense then that 98 of the gun violence in canada is not done by 0.84
00:01:22.960 pal holders it's done by people that who are legally who illegally possess these firearms
00:01:27.200 right yeah so that's 98 and 80 88 88 of the guns that they use shouldn't even be in canada
00:01:35.920 illegal firearms right right so it's like pal holders are extremely safe and the gun violence 1.00
00:01:44.860 that we do have in canada could be like drastically minimized if we caught a hold of like all these
00:01:50.400 illegal guns right what percentage of guns in canada are illegal i actually don't know that
00:01:55.320 number right i don't think anyone knows that number so only like only two percent of power
00:01:59.560 holders like commit violent crime well no no not two percent of that two percent of the of the gun
00:02:04.560 violence right is actual like one or two percent it's like really really small right and that could
00:02:09.820 actually be minimized too but i think we should actually look at the 98 first and see how they're
00:02:15.300 getting their firearms and prevent them from doing that yeah before we go and say hey ban all guns
00:02:19.060 Because when you ban guns, you're just banning them from the people who already lawfully have them.
00:02:23.320 Right.
00:02:23.720 So, like, it's already illegal for these individuals to have their firearms, but they have them anyway because...
00:02:28.980 Is, like, is there, like, a question, or is it just, like, you want my opinion on it?
00:02:34.140 No, this is just, like, me, like, I'm just trying to get, like, honest conversations on the street.
00:02:38.080 Like, would you say that it's a good idea to ban guns anyway?
00:02:42.480 I mean, I'm from a small hometown, so I know that a lot of people hunt,
00:02:46.240 and I know that they all have a fair amount of guns and they like doing that.
00:02:50.620 I feel as though, like, if you're not, if you don't have a reason like that,
00:02:55.360 if you just want to have a gun, I don't know if it's necessarily the best option.
00:02:58.920 What about for self-defense, though?
00:03:01.340 See, that's kind of where it gets a little bit iffy for me,
00:03:04.140 because if it's for self-defense, like, I guess it could depend what neighborhood you're from
00:03:10.720 or something like that, but for self-defense there, I'm pretty sure,
00:03:14.900 I don't know the stat on this, but I'm pretty sure that there is, like, a large chance of, like, hurting someone that you know with it being self-defense.
00:03:25.440 Like, say you're a parent with a gun in a safe, and you don't know your kid is sneaking out at night.
00:03:30.920 You know what I mean?
00:03:31.600 And then they come in, and then you don't hear them, right?
00:03:35.800 And you feel as though there's someone in your house, you accidentally fire on your kid.
00:03:41.680 I mean, that's a real possibility.
00:03:43.080 so i feel like it's like it is an edge case yeah yeah i guess that's true but do you think
00:03:50.060 self-defense is a human right i mean self-defense yes but i do think that there's other methods of
00:03:55.480 self-defense i don't think i think a gun is pretty much last resort for self-defense like there's
00:04:01.040 there's baseball bats there's everything like that and in canada too you're not allowed to
00:04:06.440 shoot and kill someone on your property even if they are breaking into your home like
00:04:10.020 it's they don't specifically spell it out but technically yes you can defend yourself with a 0.95
00:04:15.720 firearm so people actually is it if your life is at risk or is it um if it's reasonable force i
00:04:21.160 think like you can but they might prosecute you anyway because they don't like people doing that
00:04:25.920 just because it doesn't look well politically um but there was a case recently where someone
00:04:30.580 actually was able to defend their home and like get away with it they actually shot one of the
00:04:34.280 invaders because they were coming in but if you come across like a lot of these people have like
00:04:38.640 illegal handguns right if you come across them with a handgun in your home like what alternative
00:04:45.520 is there to defend your home except with a firearm yeah i mean i do think that's also kind of an edge
00:04:51.620 case i don't think that a lot of people like i think that robberies do happen but i don't know
00:04:58.640 how many people are going in with with guns and stuff and i think that it's kind of a slippery
00:05:03.760 slope for people to say oh I'm getting this for self-defense because we we see in the states
00:05:10.480 that's what a lot of the people who have guns and feel it's a right to own guns um that's their
00:05:17.680 excuse that they have all these guns for self-defense and then they have automatic guns
00:05:21.760 they have handguns they have all these different types of things that are just excessive I think
00:05:25.960 that if we allowed it to keep on going and like everyone was just like oh yeah I have one for
00:05:32.380 self-defense then everyone has a gun and then that's not great yeah um well actually there's
00:05:41.680 actually a book that came out recently more guns less crime are they waiting for you yeah they can
00:05:46.560 go though yeah okay yeah so uh the premise of that is that if some if there are more firearms in
00:05:54.660 society more people carrying or more people having them in their home there could actually be less
00:05:58.440 crime because if you're breaking into a home and you know that 90% of the people in that
00:06:04.260 neighborhood have a firearm out there what are the chances that you might think about maybe not
00:06:10.480 doing that I mean I do think that is true I think that if if I'm in the mindset of I need or I want
00:06:18.380 to rob a home I want to harm someone and I know that 90% of the population has a gun there's less
00:06:24.260 incentive for me to do that but in the sense that like i go into i'm robbing a bank right
00:06:31.920 and then everyone in there has a gun then it's just like an a shootout and then you're like
00:06:38.000 who has the gun who doesn't like it just it gets it gets a little bit complicated there i i just
00:06:43.760 don't i don't i think that for me guns can be used for recreational purposes like if it's your hobby
00:06:50.620 and you just, like, I guess, like shooting guns on, like, a range or for hunting.
00:06:54.400 But I think self-defense is too much of a slippery slope for people having an opportunity.
00:07:00.400 And we also see, like, I know, like, someone in my, like, hometown,
00:07:06.820 he actually killed himself with his parents' gun.
00:07:11.020 Yeah, so, like, and that was a hunting gun.
00:07:13.480 So if we have...
00:07:14.900 The majority of Despae guns in Canada are actually suicide, so...
00:07:18.440 Right, but that means that there was a gun in the household, you know.
00:07:22.440 I don't think that, even in the scenario that I'm talking about where if you have a hunting gun, that it's fine.
00:07:30.040 Like, those parents had a hunting gun and then their son, unfortunately, did that.
00:07:35.520 I don't think that those parents are super stoked that they had a gun to begin with, you know.
00:07:40.260 I think that there are a lot of cases that could be avoided like that.
00:07:42.960 Yeah, well, there's actually, like, really strict laws on gun storage, too.
00:07:46.500 Right.
00:07:46.780 um that someone who doesn't have the PAL shouldn't even have access to the gun case which is probably
00:07:50.940 what happened in that case like if the if there was like mental health issues in the in that case
00:07:56.460 then they should not have had access to the firearms at all so yeah no um yeah so i would
00:08:05.400 say though there are a lot of cases that are not talked about on the news but of people who have
00:08:10.840 firearms who actually deter an attack no no shots fired at all because there's the presence of that
00:08:15.980 firearm yeah right yeah i mean that's fair but if if if we're talking about people using firearms
00:08:22.620 to disable other citizens i think that there has to be extra precautions put in place with the pow
00:08:28.760 certification if if that if this is the end goal for people to have guns and be able to assert
00:08:35.360 themselves over people committing a crime then there should be extra parts within the pow
00:08:40.580 a certification of how to use it in these instances what to do because I mean I don't
00:08:46.560 even know that that would actually happen they're actually trying to take firearms away from like
00:08:49.800 the the people that are not committing the crime right now right yeah I mean but then what's the
00:08:56.220 point of people having firearms like what's the point of the argument then that people having
00:09:00.020 firearms stops crime if they're trying to just take away it all well it does people having firearms
00:09:05.340 does deter crime it does but they're that the government is trying to take farms away because
00:09:12.700 they it's a political move it's like a ploy they want to win the quebec vote and so they have this
00:09:19.300 this gun buyback program out there and the whole idea is that oh like with like this political
00:09:24.880 ploy there it's like a huge waste of money because firearm owners know that it's like a total total
00:09:30.200 flop. It's just, they're not even like, most provinces are not even like complying with
00:09:35.180 it because it's just ridiculous. I mean, it's going to do nothing, like nothing for crime
00:09:40.420 whatsoever and nothing to save lives at all. Like you're saying them taking away legal
00:09:45.900 guns is the problem. That is part of the problem. I mean, well, the biggest problem though
00:09:54.560 is them allowing illegal guns in the country, which is what is causing it. Did they purposefully
00:09:58.700 allow that because it's illegal? I don't know if they would have purposefully allowed illegal
00:10:02.200 guns. Well, not purposely, but they're not doing anything to stop it. Right. Like, they...
00:10:06.400 Like, you think the energy should be put towards getting rid of the illegal guns and allowing
00:10:10.880 proper gun owners to be, who are checked on the daily, to have the right? Yeah. I don't
00:10:17.220 think that's a ridiculous claim. 0.51