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- April 26, 2026
Hate Speech Laws FALL APART — When You Ask This Question
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Do you think truth could ever come across as hateful?
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Yes, there's fact, and then there's also my opinion of what's true, right?
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How can we be absolutely sure that there's no absolute truth?
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Because then that would be an absolute truth in itself.
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Exactly.
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The conversation I'm hoping to have with people today, though, is if you think that hate speech is free speech.
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Um, not really.
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So do you think we should criminalize hate speech?
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Like, people should be put in jail for it?
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um yeah i would say so yeah but what is hate speech like what constitutes it right because
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like we need to define if we're going to criminalize it we should define it right yeah
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um i would say like discriminating people based on like gender or like class or like any of those
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factors would be like um constituted as hate speech like i like i don't know like or any like
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bias along like those lines of like class gender age like any sort of that kind of thing right
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okay but so what happens say we have a world where okay we have that sort of no one's allowed
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to discriminate and someone thinks that they're being discriminated against but it was never the
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intent to discriminate should that conversation to be had between the people who like said it and
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the intent behind it you know like that that's between them to kind of like maturely have the
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conversation of like that wasn't my intention but like also for the person to have um have like a
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place to say like you know this is how what you said could be misinterpreted as such and like this
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is how you can be more careful in the future right so but if we're going to report discrimination
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then it's up to the person who feels they've been discriminated against to report it and it could
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be more of their perception right of whether they were discriminated against that's true yeah right
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so then we're then we're viewing everything on like a personal lens right which could it could
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be a dark path because some people like personalities aren't alike some people might
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just generally be more tough love and that might be how they interact whereas other people might
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just be like view that differently they might view that tough love like even just in different
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cultures if you go out west there's so much more tough love right yeah and that could be viewed as
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discrimination then if you're like if you're I don't know just like any tough love right it could
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be any instance yeah right so like I feel like it's a dark path to just say like any perception
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of discrimination could be hateful right so like we need something a little more firm
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yeah right so i think so i think the rules should be necessarily that you have to agree with
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everyone's like cultural beliefs and stuff like that though even if you meant it without intent
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still think that those things can come off the wrong way or like right the wrong way because
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i mean we do live in canada yeah we're like you know there are certain gender norms and
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or cultural norms that exist here as well and you know like certain things from another culture
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like you don't have to agree with that i know there's things that have been said to me that
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i definitely wouldn't agree with right like i've been told by people like who live in countries
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where women's rights aren't valued as much right like that um i shouldn't have as much rights as
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i do and stuff like that and right and i should be thankful for that i have so much right as i do
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for living in canada but like to me that's just normal right so yeah yeah and i would say though
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when we go down the path as far as like people viewing what is discrimination what isn't like
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we would basically seek to create a society where offense is not possible where no one ever gets
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offended ever but i don't see that it's not possible right so i think i think it's a little
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tough to say that like if someone gets offended yes they could personally view that as hate speech
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but everyone else might be like well no that's that's just your opinion it wasn't meant to come
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across as that right so i think i don't know i think it's that standard i mean it's different
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if you're just seeing it from the public view whereas if you're actually in the situation
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it's you're the one who it's being said to right like I feel like that's a lot more personal because
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like I don't know if that person who says like oh it might not be hate speech is actually in the
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actual position right I feel like then they're going to interpret that way differently okay
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yeah that's yeah because I feel like it's it's a lot different when you're actually in the
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position right like you can be like oh like maybe that was you know like not in context of what the
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person actually meant but then if you're the one in the situation right I feel like that's way
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different because okay you're more likely to personalize that right yeah um and the thing I
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would ask you too though um as far as like hate speech do you think truth could ever come across
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is hateful yes because I think everyone has a different definition of what truth is I have my
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truth right but lots of people don't believe in the same things I do I know I don't agree with
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everyone else's beliefs um and so yeah I think truth can be hateful because like there's fact
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and then there's also my opinion of what's true right so for example like if I'm religious and
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I believe in God that's my truth but it's not everyone's truth right so if I'm imposing that
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on someone else then yeah that could definitely be hateful even if it's with good intention right
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right my truth isn't for everyone and i think it's unfair to impose that on someone else so
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yeah yeah so then i feel like then the the path we go down is like everything is entirely
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personalized which could be a very very narcissistic society in my opinion if we have
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no standard of how we're going to apply law right because the law the law that we apply can't just
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be like personal and change all the time i think there's got to be one universal standard though
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of how we go about everything possible because everyone has different cultures and beliefs and
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i don't think it's i don't think we're ever going to come to a place in society where everyone has
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the same like belief system right but our standard of justice though should be fairly universal would
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you agree yeah for sure but um i feel like it's subjective based on what you believe in
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right but the government should represent all people yeah yeah i agree with that so then like
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they should have their their what they institute their justice shouldn't be like like determined
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based on like i don't like each demographic right they should well like it shouldn't be like pandered
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to one group of people they should be like impartial right yeah no for sure yeah so then
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there are problems of that that probably exists in the justice system for sure but i don't think
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that should be the case i think but yeah for sure they definitely need to be impartial yeah but i
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think no matter what it's important like it's still very important to like value one another's
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beliefs right yes definitely yeah give space for that so yeah i think our society is very
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personalized and that can definitely be a negative thing but then again that's also just
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the freedom of what society is right yeah yeah but then yeah so i don't it's a deep it's like a
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very long conversation that we could have i'm sure you got somewhere to go but but yeah like
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just like the thought though of like personalizing all justice like it it it could it could be a
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weapon where it's like too much right like a personalization because it's hard because when
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the intent is isn't negative right then that makes that conversation really difficult yeah and like
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it's like yeah it's hard to be the one like in the situation because obviously anyone could
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interpret anything personally right like I feel like anything that is said could be interpreted
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as I don't know something negative towards someone else right like right that's just
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kind of how our society functions which is difficult because people are constantly going
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at each other being like oh that's all that right yeah yeah no I do I agree with you yeah so I don't
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know i just i think i think when it comes to hate speech though when it comes to discrimination there
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needs to be something it should be universal it shouldn't be it shouldn't be personal standard
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yeah for sure and if we go about i don't know it's it's difficult to even go where you're like
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criminalizing based on a feeling that was given right it's difficult i don't think that's
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necessarily the path that we should be going down for sure and it shouldn't be personalized justice
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it should be like a universal standard so we do need yeah in our government held accountable yeah
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standard for sure yeah so we do need some truth then yeah like some standard of truth in our
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government and i think that's a difficult thing to determine like what is truth right because
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i mean again it's hard to have unbiased truth right that everyone agrees upon right okay yeah
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i don't know that's like a whole other deal though right to go about truth but um i do think
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there has to be some like objective truth right like that's the whole idea of government and
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i would say though like like if we think that there's no absolute truth like how can we
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be absolutely sure that there's no absolute truth because then that would be an absolute
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truth in itself exactly right exactly right so that's a good point so yeah i think i don't know
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it's it's it's just something to think about um but i think there's got to be you know there's
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got to be some standards some truth somewhere yeah for sure
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