Unify Action - April 26, 2026


Hate Speech Laws FALL APART — When You Ask This Question


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00:00:00.000 Do you think truth could ever come across as hateful?
00:00:03.140 Yes, there's fact, and then there's also my opinion of what's true, right?
00:00:06.820 How can we be absolutely sure that there's no absolute truth?
00:00:09.800 Because then that would be an absolute truth in itself.
00:00:11.960 Exactly.
00:00:13.740 The conversation I'm hoping to have with people today, though, is if you think that hate speech is free speech.
00:00:19.600 Um, not really.
00:00:22.560 So do you think we should criminalize hate speech?
00:00:25.160 Like, people should be put in jail for it?
00:00:26.720 um yeah i would say so yeah but what is hate speech like what constitutes it right because
00:00:35.320 like we need to define if we're going to criminalize it we should define it right yeah
00:00:39.620 um i would say like discriminating people based on like gender or like class or like any of those
00:00:48.000 factors would be like um constituted as hate speech like i like i don't know like or any like
00:00:54.320 bias along like those lines of like class gender age like any sort of that kind of thing right
00:01:00.000 okay but so what happens say we have a world where okay we have that sort of no one's allowed
00:01:06.160 to discriminate and someone thinks that they're being discriminated against but it was never the
00:01:11.660 intent to discriminate should that conversation to be had between the people who like said it and
00:01:18.800 the intent behind it you know like that that's between them to kind of like maturely have the
00:01:24.560 conversation of like that wasn't my intention but like also for the person to have um have like a
00:01:30.980 place to say like you know this is how what you said could be misinterpreted as such and like this
00:01:37.320 is how you can be more careful in the future right so but if we're going to report discrimination
00:01:42.160 then it's up to the person who feels they've been discriminated against to report it and it could
00:01:47.460 be more of their perception right of whether they were discriminated against that's true yeah right
00:01:53.940 so then we're then we're viewing everything on like a personal lens right which could it could
00:02:01.120 be a dark path because some people like personalities aren't alike some people might
00:02:05.500 just generally be more tough love and that might be how they interact whereas other people might
00:02:11.800 just be like view that differently they might view that tough love like even just in different
00:02:16.140 cultures if you go out west there's so much more tough love right yeah and that could be viewed as
00:02:21.440 discrimination then if you're like if you're I don't know just like any tough love right it could
00:02:26.180 be any instance yeah right so like I feel like it's a dark path to just say like any perception
00:02:33.160 of discrimination could be hateful right so like we need something a little more firm
00:02:39.480 yeah right so i think so i think the rules should be necessarily that you have to agree with
00:02:46.760 everyone's like cultural beliefs and stuff like that though even if you meant it without intent
00:02:50.440 still think that those things can come off the wrong way or like right the wrong way because
00:02:54.580 i mean we do live in canada yeah we're like you know there are certain gender norms and
00:02:59.960 or cultural norms that exist here as well and you know like certain things from another culture
00:03:05.620 like you don't have to agree with that i know there's things that have been said to me that
00:03:09.240 i definitely wouldn't agree with right like i've been told by people like who live in countries
00:03:14.560 where women's rights aren't valued as much right like that um i shouldn't have as much rights as
00:03:20.540 i do and stuff like that and right and i should be thankful for that i have so much right as i do
00:03:24.440 for living in canada but like to me that's just normal right so yeah yeah and i would say though
00:03:32.220 when we go down the path as far as like people viewing what is discrimination what isn't like
00:03:37.700 we would basically seek to create a society where offense is not possible where no one ever gets
00:03:42.460 offended ever but i don't see that it's not possible right so i think i think it's a little
00:03:49.520 tough to say that like if someone gets offended yes they could personally view that as hate speech
00:03:55.000 but everyone else might be like well no that's that's just your opinion it wasn't meant to come
00:03:59.880 across as that right so i think i don't know i think it's that standard i mean it's different
00:04:05.000 if you're just seeing it from the public view whereas if you're actually in the situation
00:04:09.200 it's you're the one who it's being said to right like I feel like that's a lot more personal because
00:04:15.360 like I don't know if that person who says like oh it might not be hate speech is actually in the
00:04:20.820 actual position right I feel like then they're going to interpret that way differently okay
00:04:25.440 yeah that's yeah because I feel like it's it's a lot different when you're actually in the
00:04:30.820 position right like you can be like oh like maybe that was you know like not in context of what the
00:04:35.800 person actually meant but then if you're the one in the situation right I feel like that's way
00:04:40.020 different because okay you're more likely to personalize that right yeah um and the thing I
00:04:46.160 would ask you too though um as far as like hate speech do you think truth could ever come across
00:04:53.340 is hateful yes because I think everyone has a different definition of what truth is I have my
00:05:01.180 truth right but lots of people don't believe in the same things I do I know I don't agree with
00:05:05.360 everyone else's beliefs um and so yeah I think truth can be hateful because like there's fact
00:05:11.440 and then there's also my opinion of what's true right so for example like if I'm religious and
00:05:15.860 I believe in God that's my truth but it's not everyone's truth right so if I'm imposing that
00:05:20.500 on someone else then yeah that could definitely be hateful even if it's with good intention right
00:05:24.820 right my truth isn't for everyone and i think it's unfair to impose that on someone else so
00:05:30.380 yeah yeah so then i feel like then the the path we go down is like everything is entirely
00:05:37.880 personalized which could be a very very narcissistic society in my opinion if we have
00:05:45.820 no standard of how we're going to apply law right because the law the law that we apply can't just
00:05:51.900 be like personal and change all the time i think there's got to be one universal standard though
00:05:57.560 of how we go about everything possible because everyone has different cultures and beliefs and
00:06:02.460 i don't think it's i don't think we're ever going to come to a place in society where everyone has
00:06:05.880 the same like belief system right but our standard of justice though should be fairly universal would
00:06:13.840 you agree yeah for sure but um i feel like it's subjective based on what you believe in
00:06:19.520 right but the government should represent all people yeah yeah i agree with that so then like
00:06:28.100 they should have their their what they institute their justice shouldn't be like like determined
00:06:36.900 based on like i don't like each demographic right they should well like it shouldn't be like pandered
00:06:42.480 to one group of people they should be like impartial right yeah no for sure yeah so then
00:06:47.720 there are problems of that that probably exists in the justice system for sure but i don't think
00:06:52.720 that should be the case i think but yeah for sure they definitely need to be impartial yeah but i
00:06:57.740 think no matter what it's important like it's still very important to like value one another's
00:07:02.200 beliefs right yes definitely yeah give space for that so yeah i think our society is very
00:07:07.400 personalized and that can definitely be a negative thing but then again that's also just
00:07:11.820 the freedom of what society is right yeah yeah but then yeah so i don't it's a deep it's like a
00:07:18.660 very long conversation that we could have i'm sure you got somewhere to go but but yeah like
00:07:23.860 just like the thought though of like personalizing all justice like it it it could it could be a
00:07:30.340 weapon where it's like too much right like a personalization because it's hard because when
00:07:36.040 the intent is isn't negative right then that makes that conversation really difficult yeah and like
00:07:40.820 it's like yeah it's hard to be the one like in the situation because obviously anyone could
00:07:46.220 interpret anything personally right like I feel like anything that is said could be interpreted
00:07:50.560 as I don't know something negative towards someone else right like right that's just
00:07:55.500 kind of how our society functions which is difficult because people are constantly going
00:08:00.240 at each other being like oh that's all that right yeah yeah no I do I agree with you yeah so I don't
00:08:06.500 know i just i think i think when it comes to hate speech though when it comes to discrimination there
00:08:11.160 needs to be something it should be universal it shouldn't be it shouldn't be personal standard
00:08:16.040 yeah for sure and if we go about i don't know it's it's difficult to even go where you're like
00:08:22.620 criminalizing based on a feeling that was given right it's difficult i don't think that's
00:08:29.680 necessarily the path that we should be going down for sure and it shouldn't be personalized justice
00:08:34.220 it should be like a universal standard so we do need yeah in our government held accountable yeah
00:08:38.620 standard for sure yeah so we do need some truth then yeah like some standard of truth in our
00:08:43.600 government and i think that's a difficult thing to determine like what is truth right because
00:08:47.980 i mean again it's hard to have unbiased truth right that everyone agrees upon right okay yeah
00:08:57.320 i don't know that's like a whole other deal though right to go about truth but um i do think
00:09:03.120 there has to be some like objective truth right like that's the whole idea of government and
00:09:08.500 i would say though like like if we think that there's no absolute truth like how can we
00:09:15.620 be absolutely sure that there's no absolute truth because then that would be an absolute
00:09:19.760 truth in itself exactly right exactly right so that's a good point so yeah i think i don't know
00:09:27.080 it's it's it's just something to think about um but i think there's got to be you know there's
00:09:31.600 got to be some standards some truth somewhere yeah for sure