Unify Action - October 02, 2025


He Came ANTI-GUN… But Left SEEING Why We NEED Them

Hosted by
Sarah Dotzert
I Didn’t Expect THIS at Laurier - A Conservative Campus？! He Didn’t Want a DEBATE… He Wanted a SHOWDOWN

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In this episode, we talk about gun control in Canada and why we should allow citizens to own guns. We discuss the pros and cons of gun ownership in Canada, and what it means to be a responsible gun owner.

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00:00:00.000 Let people have guns. I don't think it is a right.
00:00:05.000 I mean, I agree that it's a right to protect people, but for people to protect themselves.
00:00:10.000 But I think, you know, in this modern society where we have like police and like all the military,
00:00:19.000 we don't really need guns as in like to protect ourselves because a gun is not very,
00:00:24.000 it's not a very you know it's a very dangerous tool because you know guns can
00:00:29.520 be used on all sorts of things and people if you need to protect themselves
00:00:33.600 they don't necessarily need a gun they can call the police well except if you
00:00:38.400 live in very rural areas and maybe you will need a gun like I think if you live
00:00:42.240 in an urban or suburban area maybe not because again you have the protection of
00:00:47.940 I don't think it's a right.
00:00:49.940 Yeah.
00:00:51.940 So, the whole idea behind my statement with that is that the criminals will always have the gun.
00:00:59.940 And in order to equalize the playing field, the defendant must also have a similar weapon of some kind.
00:01:06.940 And when we see home break-ins or homicides or things like that, the police aren't there immediately.
00:01:14.940 Typically what the police are doing now is like clean-up duty.
00:01:18.940 See, they aren't there to prevent the crime.
00:01:21.940 And the crime would have been preventable if that individual had been able to defend themselves.
00:01:26.940 With a gun?
00:01:27.940 With a gun, yeah.
00:01:29.940 But wouldn't it be more safe, as in saying that we input some kind of defense system in the house?
00:01:40.940 the house like for example like i knew there is they can put down this metal you know frame in
00:01:47.180 the window so that people don't break it and you know maybe if the house is being cracked in they
00:01:52.300 can do that i know it's not as economically efficient but like it also prevents like like um
00:01:59.820 like people from getting those because if we if the thing is if we legalize gun only
00:02:05.820 then it would be more easy for criminals to acquire guns, which is the most pressing problem.
00:02:12.220 And understand that criminals can acquire guns in an illegal manner, of course,
00:02:18.300 because a lot of them do acquire guns in an illegal manner.
00:02:20.860 But these activities could be filed by crime-fighting organizations like the police,
00:02:27.340 we have the border patrols and all that kind of stuff, they can prevent that.
00:02:30.380 And I do agree that we have to, you know, reinforce the border, that's true, because, and against these violence and drugs, that's true, but I think that having citizens to own guns would be very dangerous, because what if, like, a child, you know, uses his, like, his parents' gun to kill himself, like, that would be, it would be more easier and more accessible for him to commit suicide, or what if, you know, mental, people with mental illnesses, if they have guns, or they previously owned guns before they had mental illnesses.
00:02:58.600 How much do you know about current gun ownership in Canada?
00:03:02.040 Not really. I don't think we're really into discourse. I think more discourse in America.
00:03:06.040 I'm not sure about that. Can you please tell me about it?
00:03:08.600 So it is legal to own some firearms in Canada and only really for the expressive use of hunting or
00:03:17.160 sports shooting. So we are able to do that. But it is a very very strict process about how we can
00:03:24.200 acquire that firearm so do you know what a possession and acquisition license is i believe
00:03:31.160 acquisition is so a possession and acquisition license we shorten it to a pal have you ever
00:03:39.320 heard of anyone saying oh i have my pal a pal license sorry yeah yeah all right so a pal
00:03:49.880 it's it's a license for the possession and the acquisition of firearms so you
00:03:56.540 have to have that license in order to legally purchase a firearm in Canada and
00:04:00.620 it's a very strict process about how you can get into it so before you even can
00:04:05.060 apply to have that license you have to go through a registered instructor who
00:04:11.000 will teach you about firearm safety it's called the Canadian firearm safety
00:04:14.300 course and then once you go through that course then you can apply for the PAL
00:04:18.500 and it takes it's like an eight-hour course itself and then you have to wait
00:04:23.160 months to make sure that you're certified that you've taken the course
00:04:25.880 and then even months longer until you can actually apply for the PAL so it's a
00:04:31.780 months-long process and when they register you to see if you can have the
00:04:35.320 PAL they they do a background check and a mental health check so the people who
00:04:40.780 actually legally can own firearms in Canada are like the safest people if
00:04:44.420 If someone says, like me, that I have a PAL and that I qualified for it, then you should
00:04:49.180 actually feel safer around that person because you know that they have no criminal background
00:04:54.040 check and they're mentally healthy.
00:04:56.540 So the way that criminals get guns is illegally in Canada. 0.61
00:05:00.420 So 98% of the crime that is done with guns in Canada is actually done from people who
00:05:08.480 don't have their PAL. 0.87
00:05:11.920 So, like, the numbers don't lie.
00:05:14.820 Cal holders are extremely, extremely safe.
00:05:17.860 They know exactly how to operate their guns properly.
00:05:20.680 They know how to use them safely.
00:05:23.660 And the criminals, whether they are attempting to take someone's life or whatever,
00:05:29.480 they are not safe with them.
00:05:31.920 And just explicitly, criminals break the law.
00:05:36.920 so no matter how many gun laws you have criminals will continue to break that law and they don't
00:05:42.440 care if they're going to break a few more by getting a handgun or ar-15 also are you advocating
00:05:48.440 for like expanding how many people can get guns i think the way we do it now is good i think it
00:05:58.040 uh yeah the current system i think it's fairly safe the way we do it now except that right now
00:06:04.840 the liberal government is actually taking the number of guns like this the kinds of guns that
00:06:10.520 we can legally own like these are hunting rifles but they're banning them only because they look
00:06:15.480 scary they say they're assault style they're not assault weapons at all they're assault style so
00:06:22.120 like these would be hunting rifles or sport shooting rifles that they are banning and now
00:06:26.280 there's 2500 different kinds of guns that are banned in canada and it's actually a big scandal
00:06:33.560 now this gun buyback program where there there's legal guns in the hands of legal gun holders and
00:06:40.680 the government is actually taking these guns from them and in some cases they're not properly
00:06:47.800 compensating the people for the firearms so it's like some of the firearms are worth more
00:06:54.120 than what they're paying back and and they know that it's a bad program but they're doing it 0.99
00:07:00.840 anyway and they know it's not going to reduce crime because as i said the pal holders don't 0.57
00:07:05.160 do the crime and even the guns that these pal holders have are very often not used in gun crime 0.55
00:07:12.040 so so it's 98 of the crime that is committed with guns in canada is done from non-pal holders and 0.93
00:07:20.280 then 88 of the guns that they're using in that violence should not legally be here oh i see oh 0.97
00:07:26.920 No, because I thought you were advocating for that kind of American kind of, you know.
00:07:31.140 Well, I like the way we do it now. I think it is safe.
00:07:33.820 I think, yeah, I think the Canadian system is way better. It's way more safe.
00:07:36.940 So I guess I would agree with you in that we can expand, like we can have people, let people have guns.
00:07:43.240 If we are under that, you know, very straight bureaucratic and also like that kind of background check and things, I think that is okay. 0.60
00:07:50.820 because but if you're talking about say the American how they can they will
00:07:55.620 be very easy to apply again then I might not agree but I think the current
00:07:59.700 Canadians is fine like yeah definitely very safe yeah and the way that I see
00:08:04.560 guns though it's when you see a government of any kind begin to take
00:08:11.140 firearms out of the hands of civilians and they know that it's not going to
00:08:15.360 stop crime then there's other reasons for why they're doing it
00:08:18.660 what do you think they're doing i think it's a control thing so um
00:08:25.620 when a government wants to apply more control on its citizens it's very expedient for that
00:08:31.460 government to remove any means of withstanding their authority does that make sense so if they
00:08:38.900 want to be very strict with their citizens then they're going to want to remove guns from the
00:08:46.020 equation because citizens are much less um likely to rebel yeah much less likely to rebel if they
00:08:52.100 don't have the means of rebelling oh so you're so you're saying that because they're they are
00:08:57.940 trying to restrict guns because they want to restrict other things but they first restrict
00:09:02.580 guns first so they prevent people from rebelling and then they restrict other freedoms like speech
00:09:10.100 press yes i see so it's a warning sign for me when i see them doing this it's like oh
00:09:18.500 yeah hitler did it they've done it in china and north korea and a whole bunch of other places
00:09:22.900 they don't have firearms and the data to say that lawful gun owners still like will cause crime
00:09:30.580 it's not it's not there to support that in fact when someone like think about it this way if you
00:09:37.220 were like just put yourself in the shoes of a criminal for a second and say you wanted to rob
00:09:41.460 the convenience store or the bank then when you walk in there everyone in there like so you have
00:09:47.220 a gun but then when you walk in everyone in there is a gunslinging cowboy how are your chances not
00:09:56.100 gonna rob that yeah so like it makes sense that if a good guy has a gun that in there more likely
00:10:04.420 to stop a bad guy with a gun but if we're defenseless then that bad guy with a gun will
00:10:10.180 always win and there are so many cases when security guards or even police officers in churches
00:10:16.260 have actually stopped mass church shootings because they have taken the life of the criminal
00:10:21.780 or stopped them or deterred them they've actually saved lives by taking the life of the criminal
00:10:27.060 I think it would make sense for like security guards maybe to own guns
00:10:33.460 Uh citizen i'm not very sure i'm still not very sure because
00:10:37.060 i understand that the system is very you know tight but i'm not sure if we try to expand that
00:10:42.580 that might like given that it didn't change the current system i think it's fine
00:10:48.500 and i doubt people will really get a gun because i personally would not consider getting a gun
00:10:52.420 but I guess if you live in like like more rural areas where police is more
00:10:59.260 scarce I guess that would definitely be more safe
00:11:04.980 regarding the point where they try to control stuff I think the more pressing
00:11:09.820 matter would be political reform then you know I understand your concern but
00:11:16.780 like I think the more pressing matter is that we need a political reform if
00:11:21.340 They are trying to control more of the system.
00:11:23.340 For example, we can advocate for changes of party.
00:11:27.340 We can just vote them out if we really want to.
00:11:31.340 Yeah, so maybe a change in the political system, less a centralized one,
00:11:36.340 could be more helpful, definitely, for preventing dictatorship.
00:11:41.340 We don't want any ceasers coming up here, right?
00:11:45.340 Yeah, we can never rule out a dictatorship, though.
00:11:48.340 that's why it's important to have at least some measure of power in the hands of civilians
00:11:52.340 and that's why i think it's a right but um even then there are other there are other uses for
00:11:59.300 firearm as well like hunting and sports shooting and i live in the country and farmers they need
00:12:05.380 firearms wolves and coyotes and stuff and if we weren't able to manage wildlife like the predator
00:12:12.820 population then it would be very difficult to raise things like poultry which is what i do
00:12:18.340 and even recently i've had to take the life of a predator to protect my flock i see so if i
00:12:24.820 wasn't able to do that then wildlife would expand and it would be very difficult to make a living
00:12:30.420 off small animals or even large animals then i would agree i think you can own you know
00:12:35.940 rifle style i believe that's what you're saying hunting guns but i think if you like if you're
00:12:41.060 owning like i'm sorry cannons and you know maybe assault rifle that would be a little bit more
00:12:47.700 problematic because like also automated weapons is definitely more dangerous um yeah yeah and
00:12:57.860 there is there is an argument too like along the lines of like power in the hands of civilians
00:13:02.340 there is an argument for civilians having like say an ar-15 or a handgun there is an argument
00:13:07.780 for that because like again the reason that the states has such a strong gun culture and such a
00:13:13.460 very strong second amendment is because the way they started out the british actually were trying
00:13:19.700 to take firearms away from the american colonies in order to control them and that's why they set
00:13:25.780 up that amendment in the first place was because they wanted to make sure the power always stayed
00:13:32.500 in the hands of civilians and they they're thinking and why they set that up was because
00:13:38.820 they wanted civilians to always have like a matched amount of power to the government
00:13:45.460 i think yeah only guys will be fine yeah all right yeah