In this episode, we talk about the truckers strike, the protests, and the government's response to them. We also talk about how the government handled the situation, and whether or not it was a good or bad thing.
00:00:21.280I think Pure Polyev is, I don't want to say too rational, but I really was a fan of Pure Polyev until the events of the trucker protests.
00:00:38.760Now, I think the protest for the truckers is totally fine.0.96
00:00:42.960I think the mandate for the vaccines for the truckers is a bit dumb.
00:00:51.280Like the mandatory vaccines, yeah, you're aware, but I think after the state of where the trigger protests went to in Ottawa, blocking roads, disrupting the whole city, was way too much for getting their message across.0.92
00:01:13.460and him promoting it all the way through definitely turned off most Canadians.
00:01:21.080And I think it turned off Canadians that were leaning towards voting him in the first place.
00:01:26.560Well, was he leader of the opposition at that point?0.92
00:01:30.440He wasn't leader of the opposition, but he strongly advocated for those truckers.
00:01:37.020And this is especially at a time where most of the country was strongly opposed to Justin Trudeau.
00:01:43.460and where he made his focus his main focus to be anti-Trudeau now that Trudeau left
00:01:50.740and he was up against Mark Carney people didn't really have a reason to vote for him truly because
00:01:57.460his whole initiative was bashing Trudeau and I know that his message before with the housing
00:02:05.460crisis and the employment was justified but his solutions at the time were too
00:02:16.260broad even when you go back to the interviews like when at least when I
00:02:20.080revisit the interviews people interviewer will ask him how are you gonna
00:02:24.600finish the homeless crisis or are you gonna fix the economy first he'll
00:02:30.240mention Trudeau and then he'll say an easy sentence like for the housing
00:02:37.320crisis we'll build new homes or at a reduced rate and then everyone gets the
00:02:43.680support I that's just not how the economy works you can't just build new
00:02:48.720houses for cheaper rates and I think his thing was just too much information
00:02:54.720like not sorry too little information for the big problems that he was claiming
00:03:00.120that he would solve um but yeah um but back to the truckers what would have been an appropriate
00:03:09.020mode of protest for them appropriate mode of protest um well at the start it was fine
00:03:17.840when you have all the truckers coming downtown um but i it's how long they stayed
00:03:25.820they were there for way way way too long and i think this is once again where the issue isn't
00:03:33.960as large as what you're making it what you're making the situation to be and for how much
00:03:43.420they disrupted ottawa i don't think it was a justifiable reaction and i just think that mark
00:03:50.300Carney um not invoking that but cheering that put a negative view on him at least from a lot
00:04:00.400of people who are kind of in the middle similar to me doesn't don't know if they'd vote liberal
00:04:04.320don't know if they could vote conservative or don't know if they'd vote at all because they
00:04:08.000can't make a decision so okay yeah so way the way i see the trucker protest is that the liberal
00:04:17.380government actually could have had a conversation with them right away and they could have stopped
00:04:23.180that it was actually in the liberal government's hands right and they didn't for three weeks they
00:04:29.460just let them sit there honking their horns like hey pay attention to us right that was basically
00:04:34.000an attention grab like hey we are that's what protests are attention grabs and the liberal
00:04:40.800government just ignored them yeah and i think well yes it was perhaps a rather annoying way to
00:04:50.400protest but i think a lot of the blame actually falls on the liberal government for not even
00:04:55.820having like official talks with them and literally just forcing them out right yeah i i that's what
00:05:02.260i absolutely agree with i despise the previous liberal government's kind of motives for that
00:05:07.760and especially because at least in a strike like it's similar it's the same
00:05:12.560thing as a strike you have to at least even if you don't agree on a term you
00:05:17.760have to at least have talks and it was the neglect of talks that really kind
00:05:23.960of angered them more but I don't see now that's gonna sound really bad I don't
00:05:32.000see how they're too surprised especially from the Liberal government at the time
00:05:35.700in uh justin trudeau's policy where they were really hard on coven 19 especially with the
00:05:42.900vaccines and i think even going into that you could kind of see this is going to be dragged
00:05:48.580on for way too long it happens with strike it's the same thing with strikes as soon as
00:05:52.660like canada post goes on strike they'll wait way too long and then as soon christmas comes up
00:05:56.580they'll make a deal and they're they're forced to a deal and similar thing happened with the
00:06:01.700the trucker protest i just think that's the biggest protest that canada's ever had i would
00:06:08.420say i would say it's cool there's some other ones but like in very recent memory it
00:06:15.700was worldwide headlines which strikes don't often get that sort of publicity um yeah i agree the
00:06:23.380level government definitely pushed it for way much more than what they needed to uh especially
00:06:29.380especially neglecting. I think, well, truckers definitely just caused too much ruckus, especially
00:06:38.160for how long they were there and for the motive that they were there as well. I think it was too
00:06:44.460What do you mean by the motive? Well, I don't think that you should stay in there for a month
00:06:51.240and block all these roads. And it's not even as much about honking your horn. That doesn't matter
00:06:56.980to me it's the disruption of the small businesses close to it and the um blocking of the roads that
00:07:05.180really disrupts a lot of the canadians especially in the heart of the capital district in ottawa
00:07:11.620it's a big city i um no i i just think i i think it is like a bad law for the truckers for the
00:07:22.000COVID-19 vaccine I just don't think that their reaction is justified in my opinion
00:07:26.260okay but I mean what what would you do like to get the government's attention
00:07:33.520if you had someone telling you like my employer forced me to get the vaccine right if you had
00:07:40.700someone forcing you to get the vaccine and you feel like it's not tested enough and you want to
00:07:45.300have like my body my choice that sort of view of your own sovereignty what would you do to get
00:07:51.980the government's attention? I don't have that view. I, because personally for me, especially
00:07:58.200in a time like that, I'm not an expert. I'm not a science major. I'm not a doctor. I will trust
00:08:05.080the doctors and the people testing the vaccines and I'll take the vaccine. I don't care if that
00:08:10.620makes me submit to the government or anything like that, but I, I was fine throughout COVID,
00:08:18.900never got sick took all the vaccines and i think that's something where i can't quite properly put
00:08:26.400myself in another person's shoes especially most people i know took the vaccine and had no problems
00:08:31.660with it um but to be honest i can't put myself in the shoes of not understanding like the need to
00:08:41.240not take the vaccine because i was never anti-vaxx or any of that i just i'm i'll listen to the
00:08:47.240government not as much the government just the doctors making the vaccines because they know
00:08:51.220a million times more than I do and especially more than random people online that claim that
00:08:58.340the vaccine was under tested even though in the end it was we're talking about a pandemic that
00:09:03.660reshaped the whole world we shape the economy but everyone's lives in jeopardy and while it was
00:09:10.000still a disaster in the end i think the coven 19 vaccine while not properly tested i definitely
00:09:17.380saved a lot of lives and it prevented a lot of people from experiencing worse versions of the
00:09:24.220coven 19 so i don't know if we have the empirical data to really say that it prevented worse cases
00:09:31.000we kind of do in terms of uh canada compared to other countries of giving out the coven 19 vaccine
00:09:38.060countries that gave out the COVID-19 vaccine more and more people that took the vaccine
00:09:44.880were safer from COVID-19 so it's more of it's not perfect don't get me wrong I'm not saying
00:09:51.160the COVID-19 vaccine is perfect which it very much isn't but in terms of the COVID-19 vaccine
00:09:57.220compared to not having a vaccine at all it saved a lot of lives and it's the same with many other
00:10:05.280vaccines as well um it wasn't perfect it probably killed a few people too but it saved there's it
00:10:15.340saved a lot more lives than it killed and i'm just saying the countries that had more widespread
00:10:22.380vaccine usage were safer and it depends on now if the covid19 vaccines were properly
00:10:30.740used and properly distributed that's a different story but in terms of usage and the people that
00:10:37.400took them and the death rate it was a lot less like countries like russia where they were too
00:10:43.740slow to give them out hundreds like thousands and thousands died from not having the vaccine
00:10:48.500same with areas in the u.s i now i'm not saying it's perfect i'm just saying it was better than
00:10:54.840not taking it okay i feel like we disagree on that uh like even my own personal experience with
00:11:02.220the vaccine it i got vaccinated my mother got half vaccinated and she had a severe reaction
00:11:10.080to the vaccine so i got fully vaccinated and got covid twice afterwards and the like i know it's
00:11:19.140supposed to wear off the vaccine or whatever but the covid that i got closest to having the vaccine
00:11:24.080my COVID was actually much worse than my non-vaccinated family members so just even my
00:11:30.200own experience and then hearing firsthand experiences from other people I don't think
00:11:37.080it was right for our government to force that on us right because it is our own individual liberty
00:11:42.940they should like as the government there are like two ways that you can rule a population through
00:11:49.640fear or through talking yeah so they if they really truly believe that the vaccine was the
00:11:56.780best choice for people then talk about it like it's a massive ad campaign like go talk people
00:12:03.100tell them hey this is probably going to save your life or something like that if they truly believe
00:12:07.240that it's going to save your life so talk to people like that so that's the one that's the
00:12:11.960way that a free people should be governed but then when you get to talking about like forcing people
00:12:18.000take the vaccine that's the other side that's authoritarian so that's how i see it it was more
00:12:25.240authoritarian you're like you're jeopardizing the sovereignty of each person to tell them to do this
00:12:31.840thing instead of just talking it out with them i guess i i i that's just where i disagree um
00:12:42.120are you talking about just covid19 vaccines or vaccines in general well specifically the
00:12:47.480covid vaccine i think that was untested and unproven really like rolling it out to that
00:12:55.300massive scale like what are the consequences we don't know the long-term consequences right
00:13:00.640so i think it was wrong for them to definitely wrong for them to force it sorry i don't want
00:13:06.080to interrupt but what do you mean by long-term consequences well there's a lot of talk about
00:13:11.440like i've heard a lot of people like my mom works in health care so she's had firsthand like
00:13:19.060conversations with people talking about how when they took the covid vaccine they've had
00:13:23.720vestibular issues ever since and certain things like that people have had long-term ongoing things
00:13:31.460like one woman she took the covid vaccine and she had hypothyroid so she was able to manage her
00:13:38.640hypothyroid laterally before the vaccine but after having the vaccine she was