00:00:21.280I think Pure Polyev is, I don't want to say too rational, but I really was a fan of Pure Polyev until the events of the trucker protests.
00:00:38.760Now, I think the protest for the truckers is totally fine.0.96
00:00:42.960I think the mandate for the vaccines for the truckers is a bit dumb.
00:00:51.280Like the mandatory vaccines, yeah, you're aware, but I think after the state of where the trigger protests went to in Ottawa, blocking roads, disrupting the whole city, was way too much for getting their message across.0.92
00:01:13.460and him promoting it all the way through definitely turned off most Canadians.
00:01:21.080And I think it turned off Canadians that were leaning towards voting him in the first place.
00:01:26.560Well, was he leader of the opposition at that point?0.92
00:01:30.440He wasn't leader of the opposition, but he strongly advocated for those truckers.
00:01:37.020And this is especially at a time where most of the country was strongly opposed to Justin Trudeau.
00:01:43.460and where he made his focus his main focus to be anti-Trudeau now that Trudeau left
00:01:50.740and he was up against Mark Carney people didn't really have a reason to vote for him truly because
00:01:57.460his whole initiative was bashing Trudeau and I know that his message before with the housing
00:02:05.460crisis and the employment was justified but his solutions at the time were too
00:02:16.260broad even when you go back to the interviews like when at least when I
00:02:20.080revisit the interviews people interviewer will ask him how are you gonna
00:02:24.600finish the homeless crisis or are you gonna fix the economy first he'll
00:02:30.240mention Trudeau and then he'll say an easy sentence like for the housing
00:02:37.320crisis we'll build new homes or at a reduced rate and then everyone gets the
00:02:43.680support I that's just not how the economy works you can't just build new
00:02:48.720houses for cheaper rates and I think his thing was just too much information
00:02:54.720like not sorry too little information for the big problems that he was claiming
00:03:00.120that he would solve um but yeah um but back to the truckers what would have been an appropriate
00:03:09.020mode of protest for them appropriate mode of protest um well at the start it was fine
00:03:17.840when you have all the truckers coming downtown um but i it's how long they stayed
00:03:25.820they were there for way way way too long and i think this is once again where the issue isn't
00:03:33.960as large as what you're making it what you're making the situation to be and for how much
00:03:43.420they disrupted ottawa i don't think it was a justifiable reaction and i just think that mark
00:03:50.300Carney um not invoking that but cheering that put a negative view on him at least from a lot
00:04:00.400of people who are kind of in the middle similar to me doesn't don't know if they'd vote liberal
00:04:04.320don't know if they could vote conservative or don't know if they'd vote at all because they
00:04:08.000can't make a decision so okay yeah so way the way i see the trucker protest is that the liberal
00:04:17.380government actually could have had a conversation with them right away and they could have stopped
00:04:23.180that it was actually in the liberal government's hands right and they didn't for three weeks they
00:04:29.460just let them sit there honking their horns like hey pay attention to us right that was basically
00:04:34.000an attention grab like hey we are that's what protests are attention grabs and the liberal
00:04:40.800government just ignored them yeah and i think well yes it was perhaps a rather annoying way to
00:04:50.400protest but i think a lot of the blame actually falls on the liberal government for not even
00:04:55.820having like official talks with them and literally just forcing them out right yeah i i that's what
00:05:02.260i absolutely agree with i despise the previous liberal government's kind of motives for that
00:05:07.760and especially because at least in a strike like it's similar it's the same
00:05:12.560thing as a strike you have to at least even if you don't agree on a term you
00:05:17.760have to at least have talks and it was the neglect of talks that really kind
00:05:23.960of angered them more but I don't see now that's gonna sound really bad I don't
00:05:32.000see how they're too surprised especially from the Liberal government at the time
00:05:35.700in uh justin trudeau's policy where they were really hard on coven 19 especially with the
00:05:42.900vaccines and i think even going into that you could kind of see this is going to be dragged
00:05:48.580on for way too long it happens with strike it's the same thing with strikes as soon as
00:05:52.660like canada post goes on strike they'll wait way too long and then as soon christmas comes up
00:05:56.580they'll make a deal and they're they're forced to a deal and similar thing happened with the
00:06:01.700the trucker protest i just think that's the biggest protest that canada's ever had i would
00:06:08.420say i would say it's cool there's some other ones but like in very recent memory it
00:06:15.700was worldwide headlines which strikes don't often get that sort of publicity um yeah i agree the
00:06:23.380level government definitely pushed it for way much more than what they needed to uh especially
00:06:29.380especially neglecting. I think, well, truckers definitely just caused too much ruckus, especially
00:06:38.160for how long they were there and for the motive that they were there as well. I think it was too
00:06:44.460What do you mean by the motive? Well, I don't think that you should stay in there for a month
00:06:51.240and block all these roads. And it's not even as much about honking your horn. That doesn't matter
00:06:56.980to me it's the disruption of the small businesses close to it and the um blocking of the roads that
00:07:05.180really disrupts a lot of the canadians especially in the heart of the capital district in ottawa
00:07:11.620it's a big city i um no i i just think i i think it is like a bad law for the truckers for the
00:07:22.000COVID-19 vaccine I just don't think that their reaction is justified in my opinion
00:07:26.260okay but I mean what what would you do like to get the government's attention
00:07:33.520if you had someone telling you like my employer forced me to get the vaccine right if you had
00:07:40.700someone forcing you to get the vaccine and you feel like it's not tested enough and you want to
00:07:45.300have like my body my choice that sort of view of your own sovereignty what would you do to get
00:07:51.980the government's attention? I don't have that view. I, because personally for me, especially
00:07:58.200in a time like that, I'm not an expert. I'm not a science major. I'm not a doctor. I will trust
00:08:05.080the doctors and the people testing the vaccines and I'll take the vaccine. I don't care if that
00:08:10.620makes me submit to the government or anything like that, but I, I was fine throughout COVID,
00:08:18.900never got sick took all the vaccines and i think that's something where i can't quite properly put
00:08:26.400myself in another person's shoes especially most people i know took the vaccine and had no problems
00:08:31.660with it um but to be honest i can't put myself in the shoes of not understanding like the need to
00:08:41.240not take the vaccine because i was never anti-vaxx or any of that i just i'm i'll listen to the
00:08:47.240government not as much the government just the doctors making the vaccines because they know
00:08:51.220a million times more than I do and especially more than random people online that claim that
00:08:58.340the vaccine was under tested even though in the end it was we're talking about a pandemic that
00:09:03.660reshaped the whole world we shape the economy but everyone's lives in jeopardy and while it was
00:09:10.000still a disaster in the end i think the coven 19 vaccine while not properly tested i definitely
00:09:17.380saved a lot of lives and it prevented a lot of people from experiencing worse versions of the
00:09:24.220coven 19 so i don't know if we have the empirical data to really say that it prevented worse cases
00:09:31.000we kind of do in terms of uh canada compared to other countries of giving out the coven 19 vaccine
00:09:38.060countries that gave out the COVID-19 vaccine more and more people that took the vaccine
00:09:44.880were safer from COVID-19 so it's more of it's not perfect don't get me wrong I'm not saying
00:09:51.160the COVID-19 vaccine is perfect which it very much isn't but in terms of the COVID-19 vaccine
00:09:57.220compared to not having a vaccine at all it saved a lot of lives and it's the same with many other
00:10:05.280vaccines as well um it wasn't perfect it probably killed a few people too but it saved there's it
00:10:15.340saved a lot more lives than it killed and i'm just saying the countries that had more widespread
00:10:22.380vaccine usage were safer and it depends on now if the covid19 vaccines were properly
00:10:30.740used and properly distributed that's a different story but in terms of usage and the people that
00:10:37.400took them and the death rate it was a lot less like countries like russia where they were too
00:10:43.740slow to give them out hundreds like thousands and thousands died from not having the vaccine
00:10:48.500same with areas in the u.s i now i'm not saying it's perfect i'm just saying it was better than
00:10:54.840not taking it okay i feel like we disagree on that uh like even my own personal experience with
00:11:02.220the vaccine it i got vaccinated my mother got half vaccinated and she had a severe reaction
00:11:10.080to the vaccine so i got fully vaccinated and got covid twice afterwards and the like i know it's
00:11:19.140supposed to wear off the vaccine or whatever but the covid that i got closest to having the vaccine
00:11:24.080my COVID was actually much worse than my non-vaccinated family members so just even my
00:11:30.200own experience and then hearing firsthand experiences from other people I don't think
00:11:37.080it was right for our government to force that on us right because it is our own individual liberty
00:11:42.940they should like as the government there are like two ways that you can rule a population through
00:11:49.640fear or through talking yeah so they if they really truly believe that the vaccine was the
00:11:56.780best choice for people then talk about it like it's a massive ad campaign like go talk people
00:12:03.100tell them hey this is probably going to save your life or something like that if they truly believe
00:12:07.240that it's going to save your life so talk to people like that so that's the one that's the
00:12:11.960way that a free people should be governed but then when you get to talking about like forcing people
00:12:18.000take the vaccine that's the other side that's authoritarian so that's how i see it it was more
00:12:25.240authoritarian you're like you're jeopardizing the sovereignty of each person to tell them to do this
00:12:31.840thing instead of just talking it out with them i guess i i i that's just where i disagree um
00:12:42.120are you talking about just covid19 vaccines or vaccines in general well specifically the
00:12:47.480covid vaccine i think that was untested and unproven really like rolling it out to that
00:12:55.300massive scale like what are the consequences we don't know the long-term consequences right
00:13:00.640so i think it was wrong for them to definitely wrong for them to force it sorry i don't want
00:13:06.080to interrupt but what do you mean by long-term consequences well there's a lot of talk about
00:13:11.440like i've heard a lot of people like my mom works in health care so she's had firsthand like
00:13:19.060conversations with people talking about how when they took the covid vaccine they've had
00:13:23.720vestibular issues ever since and certain things like that people have had long-term ongoing things
00:13:31.460like one woman she took the covid vaccine and she had hypothyroid so she was able to manage her
00:13:38.640hypothyroid laterally before the vaccine but after having the vaccine she was