Unify Action - October 11, 2025


She INSISTED Gun Ownership Isn’t a Right... Until She Realized Why It MUST Be

Hosted by
Sarah Dotzert
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Hitler
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14 minutes

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2,130

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56

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In this episode, we discuss the debate of whether or not guns should be left in the hands of civilians. We discuss the pros and cons of gun ownership, the benefits and disadvantages of having guns, and what we should do about it.

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00:00:00.000 I'm curious, why do you think gun ammunition is a right?
00:00:30.000 It's not just self-defense.
00:00:32.060 I think there are other uses for firearms that I think we need them for.
00:00:37.100 And certainly, like, along that line, gun ownership is a right.
00:00:40.960 I think self-defense is one of the biggest things in that.
00:00:43.380 But we also need them for hunting.
00:00:45.060 Like, farmers need them to protect their livestock from predators and things.
00:00:48.760 And sports shooting is actually a rather big sector.
00:00:52.880 So I see it as a right.
00:00:57.060 Yeah.
00:01:00.000 Personally, I think we both are on the same wavelength when it comes to making sure everyone in our, well as many people in our society can stay safe and succeed.
00:01:13.000 That's like the basic human rights. All of our declarations are based on that.
00:01:19.000 However, I do think there are other ways that we can go about that, which is we need a little bit.
00:01:28.000 I don't know if anyone else doesn't recognize that it's not quite supportive, but I do understand that yes, they have cultural significance to a certain portion of the population, but I feel like that's outweighed by the possible consequences that having gun ownership specifically as a right, instead of being like a tool in Canada.
00:01:53.000 Okay, so, if we were to remove guns from the hands of civilians, how would we defend ourselves against criminals?
00:02:07.000 What particular predators are you describing?
00:02:10.000 So, just basic criminals, like, they want to rob us or even do worse?
00:02:16.000 There needs to be some means of defending ourselves because the police are not going to be there for us all the time.
00:02:24.600 And when they arrive on a scene, it's usually damage control, not actual prevention.
00:02:29.460 So the preventative measures have to be in the hands of the ones that are being directly impacted.
00:02:34.580 So we need to have a means to defend ourselves somehow, especially if, like, say, a young family with young children, they need to have a means to defend themselves, right?
00:02:44.680 and I think guns are probably one of the best ways to do that.
00:02:50.040 I agree. The families do need to defend themselves.
00:02:54.000 However, I just feel like guns aren't really the way to go,
00:02:57.560 especially given that guns are, A, incredibly fast.
00:03:02.140 Like, there is no response time at all for any criminal.
00:03:06.140 Once someone whips out that gun, it's pretty much over, and like, bam, they're dead.
00:03:11.140 They can't run away. They can't leave after they recognize, oh, the cost is too high.
00:03:16.860 I want to leave with my life that I am owed as a human being.
00:03:22.000 So that is not, so a person defending themselves like that,
00:03:28.240 they will usually take the final measure of shooting someone as like a last resort.
00:03:34.480 So often the presence of the firearm is enough to deter an attack.
00:03:38.980 and even like the actual pulling the trigger is not always necessary but the warning is there
00:03:48.800 right so someone like so the criminals obviously especially if they commit homicide
00:03:56.380 they don't really have enough respect for human life but the person that is defending themselves
00:04:02.660 not only do they want to defend their life but they generally will have a much greater respect
00:04:09.500 for that other person's life than the one that is trying to take theirs so they're not going to be
00:04:16.240 as quick to take that life unless there is someone else that they're trying to protect like their
00:04:21.200 children right so they're not going to be so quick to do it and if they if they feel like in that
00:04:31.560 moment that they have to do it then they're probably they're probably gonna do it but it's
00:04:38.240 it's the deterrence thing that is probably one of the biggest things for me like say just put
00:04:45.260 yourself in the shoes of a criminal for a second and you want to rob a convenience store or a bank
00:04:50.140 say you have your gun with you and you're about to brandish it but then as you walk in you see
00:04:56.780 everyone in that bank is a gun-slinging cowboy well even just to see that those firearms on
00:05:07.380 their hips that's going to be like oh maybe i shouldn't do this right so the gun doesn't even
00:05:14.920 have to be drawn for it to be a deterrent already right and i can there's so many cases when that
00:05:22.180 happened like there's footage where you can watch of criminals running into stores with like
00:05:29.040 baseball bats and other things and then the owner of the store pulls out a small pistol
00:05:33.140 and they run in absolute terror out of that store and the crime is averted
00:05:39.540 so the actual pulling of the trigger is not always necessary is what i'm trying to say
00:05:52.180 This isn't really in the debate realm, more of a question.
00:06:06.340 Okay.
00:06:07.340 What do you consider to be like the metric for when someone is allowed to actually have
00:06:14.860 possession of a tool that essentially lets them play God with someone else's life without
00:06:20.940 knowing any of the background on that okay so if someone is not so i need to give some background
00:06:32.060 to this so in canada it's very difficult to even acquire a firearm legally do you know what a pal
00:06:39.100 is so a possession and acquisition license have you heard of it yeah okay so in order to get your
00:06:47.180 pal you have to be you have to go through a special training course which is like is an
00:06:52.720 eight hour course sometimes it's split it into two days and you're basically you're trained about
00:06:58.380 the rigor of how to safely operate this this item this firearm and then you have to wait months to
00:07:05.420 know if you've passed or how well you passed and then once you have that certificate of completion
00:07:10.040 then you have to wait months as you submit it to the government so you can get the license so the
00:07:15.640 whole the whole process of getting a license to even own a firearm takes months and it's it's
00:07:23.740 expensive and someone when they go through that process you know that they have legitimate use
00:07:31.520 for that item and that they're more than likely not going to use it incorrectly because they've
00:07:38.780 been trained how to use it correctly and if they're trying to do things legally then they
00:07:43.940 are probably going to use it for a legal purpose right so then when we so we know how difficult
00:07:51.540 that is now and when we look at the numbers 98 of the crime the gun crime in canada is not caused
00:08:00.500 by these power holders right because they have the registration it's like something you get trained
00:08:10.180 to actually learn how to use a handle without accident.
00:08:14.880 But now they have the capacity to defend themselves.
00:08:18.480 See, I think it's a right because this person has,
00:08:22.080 whether they have a firearm or not,
00:08:24.500 they still have the right to defend themselves.
00:08:28.340 I'm not too sure about Canada's legislation,
00:08:31.000 but on a moral basis, I agree.
00:08:32.640 Yeah.
00:08:33.940 And so, like, back to the other thing.
00:08:36.960 it makes sense then that the crime is not done by power holders and the guns that are used like 88
00:08:45.900 to 90 percent of the time those guns shouldn't even be in Canada right the states or other places
00:08:54.820 right so those guns shouldn't even be here and so just to know that someone is going to use it
00:09:03.800 correctly and that they knowing that they haven't done it in the past haven't used it incorrectly
00:09:12.120 in the past it doesn't make sense to say that they shouldn't have that thing like we can say
00:09:17.920 the knives are dangerous there's so many things that are inherently dangerous
00:09:22.340 but the thing becomes deadly in the hands of someone who will use it for harm right
00:09:28.920 I would also like to add that in anything else, that guns especially also become deadly in the hands of someone who is incapable or doesn't quite have the training as someone who's like registered on the ground.
00:09:47.560 That's why we have very stringent gun storage laws.
00:09:50.820 Hence why we shouldn't be making a common right for the common average person who doesn't know how a silencing works.
00:09:56.920 It is something that, see, it is something that someone can exercise, but they don't
00:10:03.140 have to exercise it, right?
00:10:06.900 So, you have the ability to exercise your free speech, but you don't have to.
00:10:13.820 So, that is your discretion and your self-will in using that, right?
00:10:21.280 So, I'll follow along once you get thinking.
00:10:25.700 so you don't have to have the gun in your possession or be a gun owner for it to still
00:10:33.960 be your right to be able to be a gun owner see i'm saying that everyone has the the right to be
00:10:43.260 able to be a gun owner and we shouldn't remove that from them but there has to be there should
00:10:50.300 be at least some control on who will use it incorrectly and I would love for
00:10:55.860 everyone I would love to know that everyone will use it correctly but we 0.98
00:10:59.900 know criminals won't well people can be stupid they can be but when you go 0.98
00:11:09.180 through that training, it's, it's, anyway. 0.98
00:11:16.460 It kind of reminds me of, like, all of those, like, certifications, but you're allowed to
00:11:21.780 get through training, but you have to get through training in order to be allowed to
00:11:27.120 actually have access.
00:11:29.280 I just don't think it's, like, good in general for the common, like, every person should
00:11:35.160 be allowed to just walk into a store and say i deserve to have a gun because you can't really
00:11:43.420 say like i deserve to have a weapon compared to say like i deserve to speak i deserve to have the
00:11:51.040 basic necessities for food that's not inherently going to be risky in terms of harming other people
00:11:57.840 in society so the gun itself doesn't have to be used for harm like i said before it is it is a
00:12:06.560 deterrent measure but there are other reasons like not just self-defense but hunting and sports
00:12:11.900 shooting that you could have a gun for and you should be allowed to have that gun for that
00:12:17.240 purpose but there's another thing that people don't usually talk about and it's the fact that
00:12:23.980 And when you have firearms in the hands of civilians, it's actually a safeguard against dictatorship.
00:12:31.540 So we've seen over and over again, like take Hitler's Germany, for example. 0.61
00:12:36.380 In order to usurp complete control over his population, he actually took firearms. 0.90
00:12:42.560 Yeah, he did. He took all the firearms away.
00:12:45.320 And suddenly he was able to take control.
00:12:49.960 And then no one could say, oh, you're not taking the Jews 1.00
00:12:53.220 and putting them in concentration camps and killing them. 0.99
00:12:55.580 No one had the power to say that. 0.98
00:12:57.820 So they were powerless in that instance because they didn't have firearms.
00:13:02.660 And there are other countries, like North Korea, they can't have firearms.
00:13:05.940 And, like, in China, it's extremely strict.
00:13:08.960 And those citizens, you can tell that the government doesn't respect
00:13:15.860 their ability to use that weapon wisely.
00:13:19.420 when they take it away from them so like even take free speech for example and i keep going
00:13:28.220 back to this but if the government doesn't think that you're going to use your ability to speak
00:13:34.140 freely wisely they're probably going to take it away from you even though that is your fundamental
00:13:39.500 rights so if the government doesn't respect law-abiding citizens and their ability to use
00:13:46.820 their firearms wisely they're going to take them away and that also gives them more control
00:13:53.720 because the reason in the states why they have such strong gun culture is because when they
00:14:00.260 were first set up they have everyone have guns well to fight the british but also what they saw
00:14:07.820 the british doing the british wanted to prevent the colonies from rebelling so one of the first
00:14:13.300 things that actually sparked the war was the british coming and trying to take away the the
00:14:19.100 lead and their muskets and their gunpowder and seize all that talk about the taxes well yeah
00:14:25.520 that there was there was 23 grievances it wasn't just taxation without representation it wasn't
00:14:31.960 just that reason there were other things and they saw the british as being oppressive and the british
00:14:38.120 wanted to continue to be oppressive and to use the colonies like without the
00:14:42.840 colonies consent and so in order to keep their control they attempted to seize
00:14:47.480 the firearms and that's what actually resulted in the first skirmish because
00:14:51.680 they actually they actually had the struggle to keep their firearms and take
00:14:56.720 them back from the British