Valuetainment - July 08, 2026


“100 Kids Isn’t Crazy Anymore” – Billionaires Redefining Fatherhood

Topics
kid-maxing
Hosted by
Patrick Bet-David
Mentioned
Jeffrey Epstein Genghis Khan Elon Musk Adam Stefan Soloviev Greg Lindbergh Casa D'Angelo Tristan Tate Pavel Durov Andrew Tate Kennedy Derov
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Sentence count

196

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Misogyny

1

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1

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5

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A New York Times story about rich men trying to have as many kids as possible, and why it might not be so bad. Adam and Tom talk about it, and whether it's a good or bad thing, and what it means for the economy.

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00:00:30.000 Kid maxing, ultimate status symbol, kids maxing, kids maxing.
00:00:36.680 I mean, we've heard about looks maxing, all this stuff, but kids maxing.
00:00:40.500 And this is a New York Times story.
00:00:41.720 It's not like it's a New York Times story.
00:00:44.260 So let me get to it.
00:00:44.840 What is this kids maxing stuff?
00:00:47.220 And birth rates are falling across much of the developed world,
00:00:51.900 but some ultra-wealthy men are pursuing fatherhood on an unprecedented scale,
00:00:56.180 using surrogacy, sperm donation, IVF, and other reproductive technologies.
00:01:01.620 They are creating dozens or even hundreds of children,
00:01:05.040 highlighting what is described as inequality made flesh
00:01:07.680 at a time when many ordinary families feel they cannot afford even one child.
00:01:12.660 The examples include Stefan Soloviev, who has 22 children,
00:01:17.380 Pavel Durov, who is a telegram guy,
00:01:20.980 who says his sperm donations have produced more than 100 children,
00:01:24.300 Greg Lindbergh, who reported expanded his family to at least 12 children through what he called a baby project
00:01:30.620 and claims that some wealthy Chinese businessmen have sought to father hundreds of children through U.S. surrogacy agencies.
00:01:37.460 Elon Musk, who has 14 known children, reportedly, who wants to use surrogate to reach a legion level 0.90
00:01:42.540 and joked that Derov's total represented rookie numbers, laugh at my ass off, Genghis Khan.
00:01:47.800 Many of these men appear to view spreading their DNA as a public good.
00:01:52.140 Musk has said smart or even rich people should have more children.
00:01:56.000 DeRove called the sperm high-quality donor material.
00:01:59.200 Jeffrey Epstein reportedly admired a sperm bank associated with Nobel Prize winners.
00:02:03.200 The common thread is a belief that their bloodlines deserve to be multiplied.
00:02:07.800 Modern reproductive technology allows these ambitions to expand far beyond historical limits.
00:02:12.920 IVF and surrogacy make it possible to create many pregnancies simultaneously while selecting traits such as sex or screening embryos for disease.
00:02:21.140 One egg donor said Lindbergh wanted 12 blonde-haired, blue-eyed boys,
00:02:26.400 while Epstein's email reflected a similar fixation on blue eyes.
00:02:31.560 Musk has reportedly used polygenic embryo screening.
00:02:35.520 Tom, what do you think about the story?
00:02:37.600 So I wonder if the New York Times understands that kid-maxing involves not having abortions. 0.61
00:02:45.900 That's so funny. You are so funny.
00:02:48.020 You know what? You're a comic, Tom.
00:02:51.140 No, no, no. I'm just wondering if the New York Times.
00:02:53.140 I'm actually with Tom on that joke.
00:02:54.440 I wonder if they realize he deserves.
00:02:57.420 I wonder if the editorial board realizes what this story actually meant.
00:03:02.060 So, you know what? This has been going on for a while.
00:03:06.280 I mean, you go you go back.
00:03:07.680 The reason they bring up Genghis Khan is because there were these leaders in history that wanted to have many kids and they wanted their heritage to be spread.
00:03:17.480 And so, you know, do I think that there's people out there doing this?
00:03:20.740 Yeah, I do.
00:03:21.460 You know, I think it's kind of messed up.
00:03:23.540 I think if you're going to have kids, make them yours.
00:03:25.560 You and your wife, raise them.
00:03:27.480 You know, build great citizens out of them.
00:03:29.740 Build great people out of them.
00:03:32.580 That's what I think.
00:03:33.960 You know, just creating a larger mob in the name of yourself.
00:03:38.080 And, you know, we saw the flaw in the Epstein where he wrote about that.
00:03:42.640 We saw that terrible, terrible flaw where you're just out there trying to, you know, spread your progeny everywhere.
00:03:49.240 And so, you know, I see the impulse to it.
00:03:53.820 But if you want to have a big family, make it yours.
00:03:56.360 Raise them yours.
00:03:57.060 Adam.
00:03:58.160 This is an interesting conversation.
00:04:00.680 Obviously, Elon Musk is leading the league on kid maxing.
00:04:04.520 But it's just evidence that as a man, you know, they say the rich get richer.
00:04:09.100 You're familiar with the K-shaped economy.
00:04:10.940 You know, the top is doing well and the bottom is doing poorly.
00:04:14.160 this is just evidence that if you're a man and you kind of get your stuff together you have options
00:04:19.660 now i'm not condoning something like this but i understand that there's a lot of guys that do i'll
00:04:23.400 actually tell you a funny story about that but the top 10 of men whether it becomes looks maxing or
00:04:28.920 money maxing or status maxing you have options and what are the options that you have where to live
00:04:34.360 what to do what women and what you want to do with your children so juxtapose that with the bottom
00:04:39.080 50% of men are just trying to get a girlfriend, much less married, much less kid maxing out here 0.75
00:04:45.920 and having multiple kids from multiple moms. I'll tell you a quick story. I don't think it's a
00:04:50.780 secret. Andrew Tate and Tristan Tate and some of their friends, we were talking about this one time
00:04:57.380 and they were like, listen, I have this thing and I have this thing and I have this thing
00:05:00.160 and all these different women and these different kids. And I said, I hear you guys. And they're
00:05:04.160 kind of advocating. This is maybe something you're interested in doing. I go, guys,
00:05:07.860 it sounds really complicated like how are you dealing with time zones baby mama drama baby
00:05:14.860 drama they're like listen you got to be built for this I go guys respectfully I don't think I'm
00:05:18.940 built for this I'm just trying to do one right now so I understand that that really really rich guys
00:05:24.080 maybe want to do something like this but I just want to give PBD a shout out for kids leader I
00:05:30.780 think most men understand that you know have a family have kids raise them be with them together
00:05:35.540 and that's probably the the best approach but again i'm not going to hate on the guys that
00:05:40.140 want to have the benefits of success let me ask you a question let me ask you a question
00:05:43.980 if if all of a sudden i i sat down with you guys and i said vinnie let's just say tom we're having
00:05:49.180 a conversation the three of us and and and the four of us and i said guys i i want to go out
00:05:54.860 there and go to a sperm bank and donate a hundred because i want to have a hundred bed david kids
00:06:02.520 out there what what would you tell me just have a conversation as if we're friends what would you
00:06:06.860 tell me finny here's what i want to do it's going to cost me surrogacy is going to cost me
00:06:10.680 100 000 a pop i get to pick the mom to make sure they're healthy and i'm going to do it 100 kids
00:06:17.760 is what i want to do it's going to cost me 10 million dollars but i want to make that investment
00:06:21.780 what do you guys think about it i would just ask you why you want to do something like why because
00:06:26.100 the birth rate is low and i want to be able to i'm again i'm no no we're just role playing yeah
00:06:30.520 Of course, of course.
00:06:31.160 The birth rate is low.
00:06:32.680 I can afford it.
00:06:33.460 I'd like to contribute to society, and this is one of the way I'm doing it.
00:06:35.680 Are you planning on taking care of these 100 kids?
00:06:38.300 I would be willing to give a certain amount of money to them,
00:06:41.960 but up front, $100,000 to the mother who chooses to have this baby.
00:06:45.020 And then what is the benefit of you doing this?
00:06:46.880 I know you want to contribute to the birth rate,
00:06:48.300 but 100 kids is not going to change the birth rate.
00:06:50.020 Say the argument would be the access to a good DNA, strong DNA, strong genes,
00:06:57.940 that these kids could go out there and be a net positive to society.
00:07:00.200 I'm just role-playing, and then I'll take over.
00:07:03.160 Is this more about your legacy and the world being shaped by you,
00:07:07.340 or do you actually want to be a father for all these kids?
00:07:09.760 Which one is it?
00:07:10.660 A little bit of both, but the bigger part is the 1.58 birth rate.
00:07:17.560 Yeah, but you're not really moving the needle with 100 kids.
00:07:20.000 I think I'm helping it.
00:07:21.380 I'm helping someone.
00:07:22.000 You're doing your part.
00:07:22.680 Yeah, here's my thing.
00:07:23.560 From a Christian perspective, which I know that you are,
00:07:26.720 I think you know this.
00:07:28.140 Children are a blessing.
00:07:29.600 It's not a trophy.
00:07:30.980 God doesn't care if you have one or if you have ten,
00:07:32.820 but I think God cares about how you raise them,
00:07:35.420 and being a father isn't just making babies.
00:07:37.940 It's raising them, okay, and a woman, man and a woman who love God
00:07:42.540 and have character and make the world better.
00:07:44.700 If you're just putting them out there, Pat,
00:07:45.980 that's 100 moms that have this kid, no father.
00:07:51.280 No, they're not watching the social media, the pornography, the school,
00:07:54.500 the trans, the I get to see you.
00:07:56.440 My father was there, but he wasn't there.
00:07:59.420 I get to see how Tom raises his daughters.
00:08:01.540 I get to see every single day how you do it with the girls and the boys.
00:08:06.000 And I see it, and I don't even know how you do it.
00:08:08.560 The work that you guys put into these children to make them amazing human beings.
00:08:12.480 And I'm seeing, for the past four years, I'm seeing it, Pat.
00:08:15.760 And I don't think it's possible to do that with all these kids.
00:08:18.380 Pat, what if they all turn into some America-hating socialist, you know, what is the, Adam, the Sharia law-loving, you know, everybody hating America.
00:08:31.780 Like, the odds of them, Pat, turning into the kids that you have made up to this point, I think, are slim to none.
00:08:38.420 The goal isn't to have the most kids.
00:08:40.300 I think it's to raise adults who stand on their own.
00:08:42.940 Well, I would say this.
00:08:44.280 I would say, Pat, you know what?
00:08:45.680 But you can have those surrogates, 100,000 each, deliver a baby.
00:08:49.500 How do you deliver a great person into that society at 18 years old to live, work, and be what you want?
00:08:56.780 Because you're not – I know you, Pat.
00:08:58.240 You're not just thinking about the birth rate.
00:09:00.020 You're thinking about the quality of those people and what they believe in, what they do.
00:09:03.560 How do you deliver that?
00:09:04.960 You can deliver the baby.
00:09:06.360 Why not just adopt 100 today and shape them? 0.67
00:09:12.000 Yeah, but it's the DNA.
00:09:13.140 It's the DNA, the wire.
00:09:15.140 So the audience, the argument to that would be the DNA, the wiring, the genetics, the bloodline.
00:09:20.820 You're coming from that bloodline, and man wants to procreate.
00:09:24.620 That's what man wants to do.
00:09:25.560 They want to procreate.
00:09:26.940 You know what would make me think about with this?
00:09:29.380 And listen, we're just having this argument right now, just a very basic conversation.
00:09:33.240 Is back in the days, how many times would kids see their fathers?
00:09:37.520 Actually, think about it. 0.94
00:09:38.780 Your wife got pregnant. 1.00
00:09:40.220 You're going to go out there and hunt, and then you come back. 0.99
00:09:41.880 You would go to war.
00:09:42.540 You would protect.
00:09:43.100 You would do all this other stuff.
00:09:43.920 And I'm not talking about 50 years ago.
00:09:47.980 I'm talking about for a couple thousand years.
00:09:50.400 That's kind of what life was like.
00:09:51.620 So this whole thing about being here all the time around your kids, this is a new thing.
00:09:56.280 This is a 50-, 60-, 80-year thing.
00:09:58.960 This is not a 500-year thing.
00:10:01.400 This is not even a 300-year thing that we have.
00:10:03.740 But let me give it on the opposite side and argue my own point.
00:10:07.560 Raising a kid is about 500 five-minute conversations,
00:10:12.820 not about one or one weekend spending time with them
00:10:17.340 or five weekends spending time with them.
00:10:20.380 No, it's about 500 five-minute conversations
00:10:22.160 that they want to have with daddy
00:10:23.160 while they're going through different issues in their lives.
00:10:25.400 And that's how you shape them.
00:10:27.800 There are a lot of parents who, same genetics, same mom and dad,
00:10:31.000 one kid comes out and say that person didn't get a lot of attention
00:10:33.580 and they end up being a rebel and then they don't do anything.
00:10:35.780 and then there are those that you can shape their mindset
00:10:38.700 and they can do a good thing.
00:10:39.960 So it's not just DNA.
00:10:41.660 This thing is hard.
00:10:42.440 Like this webinar that we did last week for Father's Webinar,
00:10:44.700 I've never done a webinar that the show ratio was that high.
00:10:47.800 It was the biggest showing we ever had on the webinar.
00:10:50.320 I talked about the 20 rules for fathers,
00:10:53.080 the phase that every man needs to go through,
00:10:55.560 how fathers are judged.
00:10:57.000 It takes 40 years for us to be judged.
00:10:59.400 Then are your kids a net positive to society?
00:11:01.340 And last but not least, do they yearn your company
00:11:04.060 years after they no longer need you do they want i don't know it's like hey man six types of fathers
00:11:09.400 i thought was so powerful yeah and so you know by the way if you didn't get a chance to watch it
00:11:14.560 if you go to vtwebinar.com register they'll send a link to you um i i don't know there's a part of
00:11:20.520 me that likes that these guys are using their resources if if you have to choose between one
00:11:24.860 of two i want you to process this and audience i'd like to hear from you as well you got one
00:11:30.080 guy who's a billionaire who is willing to put his resources IVF whatever it is and have a hundred
00:11:35.720 plus kids or a guy who's a billionaire and says I don't want to have any kids which one is a net
00:11:41.620 positive to society no family neither one wants to get married and have married and have kids
00:11:47.400 one guy's saying I'll give the money away and hey 100 kids 100 girls you guys go do your thing
00:11:52.980 the other one nope I just want to live for myself selfishly who's a more net positive to society
00:11:57.460 Neither wants to get married.
00:11:59.300 Neither wants the responsibility of the day-to-day father.
00:12:01.860 On the surface, it's a procreating one, but I really want to know his motivations
00:12:05.560 and how he's going to ensure that those kids are not like, look at the Kennedy grandchildren.
00:12:10.540 Delinquents from A to Z.
00:12:12.180 There's like two, three.
00:12:13.640 You go take a look at it.
00:12:14.920 If you don't get involved, 500, five-minute conversations, great.
00:12:19.500 Then you've got a bunch of rich kids that are delinquents that are impacting the rest of us.
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00:13:12.200 Yeah.
00:13:12.420 Yeah, I am.
00:13:14.640 But what I'm trying to say is I'm wondering if you have between the two who is going to be a bigger net positive society.
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