Valuetainment - November 08, 2025


“600M From The CIA” Jordan Goudreau DECLASSIFIES Erik Prince & Blackwater's Private War Machine

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Blackwater's CIA contracts
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Patrick Bet-David
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Eric Prince Trump Mike Pompeo Patrick Dick Cheney Vicenza Bolton Guaido Jordan David Bush
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In this episode, I sit down with Pat McAfee to talk about his new book, "The Man in the Mirror" and how he got thrown under the bus by the CIA and the establishment. I talk about how he was recruited to be a spy, and how the CIA used him as a tool to get rid of President Trump.

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00:00:00.000 This is a very weird story.
00:00:01.940 When my guy came up to me, he says, Pat, do we want to do the story or not?
00:00:07.120 And we sat there, we looked at it, we thought about it, and we said, well, let's give it a shot and see what's in this, what's in this story.
00:00:13.860 It's very, very suspect.
00:00:15.800 It's very strange.
00:00:17.160 It's very weird.
00:00:19.780 But there is that ounce of possibility of Pompeo and Bolton and Pence who couldn't stand what Trump was doing, and they kind of looked at him as, this guy's not a president.
00:00:34.580 We know what we're doing.
00:00:35.920 We're in here.
00:00:37.020 We are politicians.
00:00:38.280 We are governors, Pence.
00:00:40.640 We are folks who have been in this thing for a while, and we know what we're doing, and who is he to come and tell us?
00:00:47.240 We're going to just tell him what to do.
00:00:48.600 We're going to manage him because they looked at President Trump as a possible President Bush, and Pompeo was maybe looking at himself as being a Dick Cheney or whatever role you want to put it, that I'm going to be able to be the puppet master and tell him what to do.
00:01:03.240 But it ended up being that President Trump was the alpha of the alphas, and they couldn't fool him, and he kind of came out and figured it out on the first term.
00:01:10.800 So that is the small 5% I give to this, 10% I give to this, that they try to pin it against him, and the establishment tried to hurt him in their own way, and it didn't succeed.
00:01:24.220 Then they used COVID to get rid of him, and then he came back, and they came up against a very unique guy that wasn't willing to give up against these guys.
00:01:31.640 Well, when you read the discovery, that 5% turns more into about 95%.
00:01:37.420 The discovery is – I mean, like I said, this journalist has been trying to get published forever, and he – this is the quintessential to fix this in because all the evidence is there.
00:01:53.220 It supports everything I'm saying, and that's undeniable, but nobody will have – there's very few podcasters that will have me on because I'm caught between a rock and a hard place.
00:02:04.000 I'm caught between – and I know you, Patrick, you love the president.
00:02:07.500 You're going to protect the president no matter what.
00:02:09.080 Great.
00:02:09.720 And I'm caught between the people on the left who are protecting the CIA and protecting Mike Pompeo's and all the individuals who put this thing in the motion.
00:02:18.660 So what does that leave for somebody like me?
00:02:20.660 You know, I – like I said, I'm a patriot.
00:02:23.920 I fought for the country for decades, and everybody wants to say thank you for your service, but nobody's willing to stand next to me.
00:02:30.100 Yeah, I mean, look, we are responsible for things that we do.
00:02:33.720 You know, I have four kids.
00:02:35.740 So if you screwed up, you're going to be held accountable to it.
00:02:38.360 So you didn't get into this situation accidentally.
00:02:41.660 So I don't want to sit here and, you know, you get – we get judged in life for the decisions that we made.
00:02:49.340 We get judged in life for putting things in the right way, and sometimes we screw up.
00:02:53.500 Nobody makes 100% right decisions, and you see an opportunity.
00:02:57.200 You took it, and you're now here, and it's an unfortunate place to be, but this is a byproduct of decisions that we make.
00:03:03.360 Having said that, I am fully for innocent until proving guilty, and may God have mercy on you.
00:03:10.680 And while you're going through this next phase, and if things come out the right way, God willing, somebody will come out and support you and help you out.
00:03:18.880 Yeah, I think that at the end of the day, you know, I am.
00:03:23.600 I should have known that the CIA was doing this.
00:03:25.700 I should have known that I would have been thrown under the bus by the individuals who were working with the president.
00:03:31.760 But I was recruited to do this.
00:03:36.680 I made that decision – I made that determination because I'm a soldier.
00:03:40.560 And when the highest office asks you to do something, you do it.
00:03:44.620 Just like when my commandos tell me to do it, I do it.
00:03:47.720 That's what being a soldier is, and without guys like me.
00:03:53.380 But I think maybe that –
00:03:55.220 There's a difference, though.
00:03:56.860 There is a difference.
00:03:57.660 There's no difference.
00:03:58.440 My opinion – no, no, my opinion.
00:04:01.280 You don't have to agree with my opinion.
00:04:03.280 But if I pull up right now, what is Silvercore?
00:04:06.920 It doesn't say consulting firm.
00:04:09.000 It doesn't say strategy firm.
00:04:10.920 It's a PMC.
00:04:12.400 It's not.
00:04:13.320 But if you go –
00:04:14.860 I don't have access to – sorry.
00:04:16.980 I don't have access to that website.
00:04:19.060 Somebody else does.
00:04:20.320 I don't have – I don't get to write the Wikipedia page.
00:04:22.880 The CIA guys do.
00:04:24.460 I don't.
00:04:25.180 What's the difference between you and what Eric Prince did?
00:04:28.820 We've had him on the podcast as well.
00:04:30.220 What's the difference between the two?
00:04:31.440 Because this is the big difference.
00:04:32.520 The difference is Eric Prince, he had a mercenary invasion force ready to go.
00:04:38.400 I had assets with access and placement in Venezuela who weren't going to kill anybody.
00:04:43.240 They were just going to turn on military units and have the Venezuelan military do the work.
00:04:49.040 That's the difference.
00:04:50.360 It's the difference in cost of lives.
00:04:52.060 Mine costs no lives.
00:04:55.280 Eric Prince's and PMC's costs thousands, hundreds of thousands.
00:05:01.520 Wow.
00:05:01.920 That's the difference.
00:05:02.940 Apparently, eight of your people died.
00:05:05.520 They did.
00:05:06.080 Eight Venezuelans died.
00:05:07.360 Yeah.
00:05:08.020 Eight of the people died.
00:05:09.620 And again, remember this.
00:05:11.820 I'm not here taking sides or anything.
00:05:13.520 But what I'm saying is when you say when I'm being told what to do, when you have – I was in the Army.
00:05:22.580 I was the guy that was going to go to fifth group and be 18 Delta because I spoke five languages.
00:05:27.140 And I was going to go to DLI and go to Vicenza, Italy because that's where I wanted to go to.
00:05:30.580 That's what I wanted to do.
00:05:31.440 I wanted to be Delta.
00:05:32.860 And last minute, I got out and I went into business.
00:05:35.340 I loved the military.
00:05:36.160 I was at the 101st Airborne.
00:05:37.940 When you're in the military, yes, you signed a contract to do that.
00:05:42.540 But when you're a PMC, it's a business decision you're making because you're getting paid for it.
00:05:46.900 So it's a different deal.
00:05:47.860 And so Eric Prince, if I look at Eric Prince's contracts, if I'm not mistaken, Rob, I think he had $600 million of dealings of what he did with CIA.
00:05:58.320 I want to say a big number of his revenue came from – maybe I'm off by a couple hundred million.
00:06:04.760 But can you pull up to see 600 million?
00:06:06.740 Yeah, there you go.
00:06:08.180 Blackwater secured $600 million in classified contracts from the CIA for security support and other operations.
00:06:15.700 If you're doing this, you're essentially doing a business deal with CIA.
00:06:19.440 You know the track record, what it is, and you know you're playing with fire.
00:06:22.700 You know what could happen at any point.
00:06:24.940 My company started as a company that was going to solve the school shooting problem, period.
00:06:31.020 That's how it started.
00:06:31.880 I templated school shooting – like active shooter mitigation in several schools in Florida after all those school shootings were happening.
00:06:44.540 My company was not a PMC.
00:06:46.080 As much as the media, as much as the Wikipedia, as much as you want to say it was, it was not a PMC.
00:06:52.740 It was never designed for that.
00:06:55.380 It was designed to solve intricate problems.
00:06:57.720 So were any of your 60 guys that you had to go on this mission pre-military guys?
00:07:06.520 Sure.
00:07:07.440 Sure, I'm a pre-military guy.
00:07:09.040 That's a private military contractor.
00:07:11.480 Negative.
00:07:12.540 That's not – that is not.
00:07:13.920 I took – all the private military guys that I brought – or sorry, all of the soldiers that I took that were with me in Puerto Rico, we were not a PMC.
00:07:24.540 We were just protecting people.
00:07:25.920 I know, but in this mission – I'm not talking Puerto Rico.
00:07:28.380 In this mission – and by the way, do you think – I think of PMCs as a negative thing?
00:07:33.640 I don't know.
00:07:34.220 You must not know me well enough.
00:07:35.700 I am a supporter of –
00:07:36.720 We're not a PMC.
00:07:37.140 No, no, no, what I'm saying to you is I – multiple times on the podcast I've said I think we need PMCs to have a direct competition because some PMCs can do a better job than the other guys can.
00:07:48.880 I am for PMCs, so I don't look at PMC in a bad way.
00:07:52.800 I just know that if you're a PMC, you've got to know what you're getting yourself into and what types of people you're doing business with and how to protect yourself. 0.89
00:07:59.800 So if I'm going into the PMC business, probably my best friends are having some of the most expensive, decorated lawyers in the world to protect me that know how to deal with the government because when shit hits the fan, they're not going to come to save you.
00:08:15.560 There's a reason why they deal with PMC.
00:08:17.360 So you're taking me saying PMC in a negative way.
00:08:20.440 I don't see PMC in a negative way.
00:08:22.700 I only see PMC in a negative way is because your customer is the CIA in many cases.
00:08:29.800 Sure. No, no doubt.
00:08:32.360 That said, trying to basically say that, well, you're a PMC, you should have had all these lawyers.
00:08:40.020 Back when I started, I wasn't – I didn't have all the money to have all these lawyers.
00:08:44.260 I get that.
00:08:44.720 That said, several lawyers actually read the contract.
00:08:47.660 I had three lawyers reading the contract.
00:08:50.500 I mean the contract was valid.
00:08:53.240 Look, I'm not a PMC.
00:08:54.660 There was no – this whole notion that we were some mercenary outfit who did a military action with guys in fishing boats, that just doesn't hold water.
00:09:04.400 I mean the proof of it is in the discovery which –
00:09:08.900 Look, let me tell you, what I don't like is everybody is someone's son.
00:09:15.580 Everybody.
00:09:16.820 And the son – parents are in pain watching their son or daughter go through, you know, the hardship that they're going through.
00:09:25.180 I'm sure you got relatives that are watching you right now going through this, and they're probably praying for you.
00:09:30.200 They don't want to see this thing happen to you.
00:09:31.740 They don't want to see you go through this challenge.
00:09:33.180 And you're in a pretty shitty place right now, and, you know, looks like you got a lawyer that's working for you, which probably is the most important person because I don't know if she's getting paid right now.
00:09:43.700 So if she's going out of her way helping you out, kudos to whoever this lawyer is. 0.92
00:09:47.720 I don't know who this lawyer is.
00:09:48.700 So good for her for helping you out and doing what you're doing.
00:09:51.240 And for you, you look like a CEO, man, dressed up.
00:09:54.100 Look at the way you got even the nice collar shirts you got on, you know, a nice guy that I'm sure if, you know, those decisions weren't made.
00:10:01.440 By the way, if you had to go back and that opportunity came up to do with you signing on with Guaido and all these other guys, what would you have done differently?
00:10:11.280 If that opportunity came about, would you have done it again?
00:10:14.260 To liberate 30 million people?
00:10:16.520 I was part of that unit you said, fifth group.
00:10:19.440 I was an 18 Delta in fifth group.
00:10:21.360 You were an 18 Delta in fourth group? 0.99
00:10:23.580 Yeah.
00:10:24.120 I went to Delta Selection and everything.
00:10:26.280 You know what?
00:10:26.620 You know what the motto is, the Green Berets?
00:10:28.680 It's the oppressor liber, free the oppressed.
00:10:30.660 So you want to ask me right now, I'm at the VA in the parking lot, you know, being, yeah, liberate 30 million people?
00:10:38.560 Yep.
00:10:39.180 I'll do that again.
00:10:40.640 Sure would.
00:10:42.580 Now, what would I have done different?
00:10:47.980 There's a lot of variables that, look, I understand that you give a lot of broad stroke to the CIA.
00:10:53.240 And, well, you should have known about the CIA.
00:10:54.820 But listen, a guy like me, I've worked with the CIA.
00:10:57.320 I worked with them in Iraq and Afghanistan.
00:10:59.040 I've never been burned by them, right?
00:11:02.160 But when I don't have the data from the White House and I don't have, I'm reading about how there was a civil war in the White House at that point.
00:11:10.220 I didn't have that data back then.
00:11:11.900 We do the best we can.
00:11:13.480 So would I have changed things?
00:11:15.400 Sure.
00:11:16.000 But did I make any huge mistakes?
00:11:18.580 I don't think I did.
00:11:19.520 Am I responsible for it?
00:11:20.440 Absolutely.
00:11:20.800 I take 100 responsibility, 100% responsibility for what happened because, yeah, I should have known that the CIA would have moved against us, right?
00:11:30.980 I should have done intelligence, you know, had people in the White House doing intelligence spy.
00:11:37.100 But what you're talking about, David, is insane, right?
00:11:40.740 You're saying that I need to spy on the spy agency in the United States in order to do a job that the president is circumventing the CIA.
00:11:50.000 The reason I was recruited was so that the president could circumvent what the CIA wasn't doing.
00:11:56.980 The CIA wasn't doing the job.
00:11:58.940 And so the president needed another option.
00:12:00.700 We were that option.
00:12:02.380 Right.
00:12:03.320 I don't know what I could have done, better or worse.
00:12:07.040 I did the best I could as a soldier.
00:12:09.380 Jordan, any final things you want to share with the audience before we wrap up?
00:12:16.480 And I don't know.
00:12:17.520 I think we covered it.
00:12:19.960 I think that at the end of the day, it's like a lot of what I signed on for in the Constitution, I believe to be incorrect because of all the laws that have degraded it.
00:12:31.420 But the biggest thing I can say is this.
00:12:33.820 Going to war has nothing to do with the country you're in or flags or documents that are written in books.
00:12:40.340 It's about guys to the left and the right of you and the people who show up for me now because I'm not a popular guy.
00:12:45.680 I'm infamous.
00:12:47.100 Right.
00:12:47.200 I'm this terrible guy who's, you know, all the terrible stories are written about.
00:12:52.500 But you know who your friends are when the people of the left and right of you show up and they're not the people who you think they're going to be.
00:13:01.020 And I appreciate you having me, Patrick.
00:13:04.140 It takes courage to tell this story.
00:13:06.280 Yeah.
00:13:06.600 I wanted to hear this story.
00:13:08.160 By the way, for the craziest, I'm going to ask you the craziest question that you are not expecting.
00:13:12.240 You ready?
00:13:12.700 What are you doing this interview on where the audio is this clear and you're outside?
00:13:21.460 Well, your guy said, look, I wish I was there in person, but your guy said, you need a better, you know, camera.
00:13:27.420 And so I had somebody bring me a better camera.
00:13:30.360 What is it?
00:13:31.040 Is it a camera?
00:13:32.020 Is it an audio?
00:13:32.760 Is it an iPad?
00:13:34.020 It's like a little camera.
00:13:35.200 No, no.
00:13:35.540 It's a camera that I'm putting on my iPad.
00:13:37.960 That's it.
00:13:38.280 My computer.
00:13:39.220 And is the audio coming from, listen, I wish I could tell you how sick the audio is.
00:13:45.380 Do you agree, Rob?
00:13:46.200 Yeah, it's really good.
00:13:47.200 I am so amazed.
00:13:48.700 Can you afterwards send a picture of the camera and send it to our guys?
00:13:53.000 Because you're outside.
00:13:54.400 I haven't heard a single noise with those cars driving and I see the things in the back.
00:13:58.860 I don't hear anything with wind.
00:14:00.440 So whatever product this is, maybe this could be an endorsement opportunity.
00:14:04.000 I tell you what, like I'm running on, I'm running on a clock and I have to go empty
00:14:09.100 out my little room here at the homeless shelter and throw it in my buddy's car because we
00:14:14.260 got to get to the courthouse in case I go to jail today.
00:14:16.680 Well, listen.
00:14:17.120 But once I finish, yeah.
00:14:19.140 Yeah, send that over to us.
00:14:20.140 We'd love to know.
00:14:20.840 But obviously I'm having fun with you.
00:14:22.840 But at the same time, it's probably not the most exciting day for you for what you have
00:14:27.740 to do.
00:14:28.180 But I'm sure you're praying.
00:14:29.560 May God be with you, buddy.
00:14:31.580 Can I just say one more thing?
00:14:33.200 Please.
00:14:34.340 I'm wearing a suit in a homeless shelter.
00:14:36.400 Yeah.
00:14:37.020 But never forget who you are.
00:14:38.860 Never.
00:14:39.640 Never let anybody tell you who you are.
00:14:41.600 The only person who can tell you that is you.
00:14:44.320 And you're right.
00:14:45.940 God determines everything in my life.
00:14:48.700 And whatever path he's got me on, whether I go to jail, whether I stay free, that's okay.
00:14:55.180 Thanks again for having me.
00:14:56.560 Anytime, buddy.
00:14:57.260 All the best to you.
00:14:57.880 Take care.
00:14:58.420 Bye-bye.
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