In this episode, I sit down with Pat McAfee to talk about his new book, "The Man in the Mirror" and how he got thrown under the bus by the CIA and the establishment. I talk about how he was recruited to be a spy, and how the CIA used him as a tool to get rid of President Trump.
00:00:01.940When my guy came up to me, he says, Pat, do we want to do the story or not?
00:00:07.120And we sat there, we looked at it, we thought about it, and we said, well, let's give it a shot and see what's in this, what's in this story.
00:00:19.780But there is that ounce of possibility of Pompeo and Bolton and Pence who couldn't stand what Trump was doing, and they kind of looked at him as, this guy's not a president.
00:00:40.640We are folks who have been in this thing for a while, and we know what we're doing, and who is he to come and tell us?
00:00:47.240We're going to just tell him what to do.
00:00:48.600We're going to manage him because they looked at President Trump as a possible President Bush, and Pompeo was maybe looking at himself as being a Dick Cheney or whatever role you want to put it, that I'm going to be able to be the puppet master and tell him what to do.
00:01:03.240But it ended up being that President Trump was the alpha of the alphas, and they couldn't fool him, and he kind of came out and figured it out on the first term.
00:01:10.800So that is the small 5% I give to this, 10% I give to this, that they try to pin it against him, and the establishment tried to hurt him in their own way, and it didn't succeed.
00:01:24.220Then they used COVID to get rid of him, and then he came back, and they came up against a very unique guy that wasn't willing to give up against these guys.
00:01:31.640Well, when you read the discovery, that 5% turns more into about 95%.
00:01:37.420The discovery is – I mean, like I said, this journalist has been trying to get published forever, and he – this is the quintessential to fix this in because all the evidence is there.
00:01:53.220It supports everything I'm saying, and that's undeniable, but nobody will have – there's very few podcasters that will have me on because I'm caught between a rock and a hard place.
00:02:04.000I'm caught between – and I know you, Patrick, you love the president.
00:02:07.500You're going to protect the president no matter what.
00:02:09.720And I'm caught between the people on the left who are protecting the CIA and protecting Mike Pompeo's and all the individuals who put this thing in the motion.
00:02:18.660So what does that leave for somebody like me?
00:02:20.660You know, I – like I said, I'm a patriot.
00:02:23.920I fought for the country for decades, and everybody wants to say thank you for your service, but nobody's willing to stand next to me.
00:02:30.100Yeah, I mean, look, we are responsible for things that we do.
00:02:35.740So if you screwed up, you're going to be held accountable to it.
00:02:38.360So you didn't get into this situation accidentally.
00:02:41.660So I don't want to sit here and, you know, you get – we get judged in life for the decisions that we made.
00:02:49.340We get judged in life for putting things in the right way, and sometimes we screw up.
00:02:53.500Nobody makes 100% right decisions, and you see an opportunity.
00:02:57.200You took it, and you're now here, and it's an unfortunate place to be, but this is a byproduct of decisions that we make.
00:03:03.360Having said that, I am fully for innocent until proving guilty, and may God have mercy on you.
00:03:10.680And while you're going through this next phase, and if things come out the right way, God willing, somebody will come out and support you and help you out.
00:03:18.880Yeah, I think that at the end of the day, you know, I am.
00:03:23.600I should have known that the CIA was doing this.
00:03:25.700I should have known that I would have been thrown under the bus by the individuals who were working with the president.
00:05:47.860And so Eric Prince, if I look at Eric Prince's contracts, if I'm not mistaken, Rob, I think he had $600 million of dealings of what he did with CIA.
00:05:58.320I want to say a big number of his revenue came from – maybe I'm off by a couple hundred million.
00:06:04.760But can you pull up to see 600 million?
00:06:31.880I templated school shooting – like active shooter mitigation in several schools in Florida after all those school shootings were happening.
00:07:13.920I took – all the private military guys that I brought – or sorry, all of the soldiers that I took that were with me in Puerto Rico, we were not a PMC.
00:07:37.140No, no, no, what I'm saying to you is I – multiple times on the podcast I've said I think we need PMCs to have a direct competition because some PMCs can do a better job than the other guys can.
00:07:48.880I am for PMCs, so I don't look at PMC in a bad way.
00:07:52.800I just know that if you're a PMC, you've got to know what you're getting yourself into and what types of people you're doing business with and how to protect yourself.
00:07:59.800So if I'm going into the PMC business, probably my best friends are having some of the most expensive, decorated lawyers in the world to protect me that know how to deal with the government because when shit hits the fan, they're not going to come to save you.
00:08:15.560There's a reason why they deal with PMC.
00:08:17.360So you're taking me saying PMC in a negative way.
00:08:54.660There was no – this whole notion that we were some mercenary outfit who did a military action with guys in fishing boats, that just doesn't hold water.
00:09:04.400I mean the proof of it is in the discovery which –
00:09:08.900Look, let me tell you, what I don't like is everybody is someone's son.
00:09:16.820And the son – parents are in pain watching their son or daughter go through, you know, the hardship that they're going through.
00:09:25.180I'm sure you got relatives that are watching you right now going through this, and they're probably praying for you.
00:09:30.200They don't want to see this thing happen to you.
00:09:31.740They don't want to see you go through this challenge.
00:09:33.180And you're in a pretty shitty place right now, and, you know, looks like you got a lawyer that's working for you, which probably is the most important person because I don't know if she's getting paid right now.
00:09:43.700So if she's going out of her way helping you out, kudos to whoever this lawyer is.
00:09:48.700So good for her for helping you out and doing what you're doing.
00:09:51.240And for you, you look like a CEO, man, dressed up.
00:09:54.100Look at the way you got even the nice collar shirts you got on, you know, a nice guy that I'm sure if, you know, those decisions weren't made.
00:10:01.440By the way, if you had to go back and that opportunity came up to do with you signing on with Guaido and all these other guys, what would you have done differently?
00:10:11.280If that opportunity came about, would you have done it again?
00:10:42.580Now, what would I have done different?
00:10:47.980There's a lot of variables that, look, I understand that you give a lot of broad stroke to the CIA.
00:10:53.240And, well, you should have known about the CIA.
00:10:54.820But listen, a guy like me, I've worked with the CIA.
00:10:57.320I worked with them in Iraq and Afghanistan.
00:10:59.040I've never been burned by them, right?
00:11:02.160But when I don't have the data from the White House and I don't have, I'm reading about how there was a civil war in the White House at that point.
00:11:20.800I take 100 responsibility, 100% responsibility for what happened because, yeah, I should have known that the CIA would have moved against us, right?
00:11:30.980I should have done intelligence, you know, had people in the White House doing intelligence spy.
00:11:37.100But what you're talking about, David, is insane, right?
00:11:40.740You're saying that I need to spy on the spy agency in the United States in order to do a job that the president is circumventing the CIA.
00:11:50.000The reason I was recruited was so that the president could circumvent what the CIA wasn't doing.
00:12:19.960I think that at the end of the day, it's like a lot of what I signed on for in the Constitution, I believe to be incorrect because of all the laws that have degraded it.
00:12:31.420But the biggest thing I can say is this.
00:12:33.820Going to war has nothing to do with the country you're in or flags or documents that are written in books.
00:12:40.340It's about guys to the left and the right of you and the people who show up for me now because I'm not a popular guy.
00:12:47.200I'm this terrible guy who's, you know, all the terrible stories are written about.
00:12:52.500But you know who your friends are when the people of the left and right of you show up and they're not the people who you think they're going to be.
00:13:01.020And I appreciate you having me, Patrick.