＂A Patriotic Duty To Stop You＂ - Britain's Deep State Playbook For KILLING Reform
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In this episode of the podcast, I speak to a former senior adviser to David Cameron, who was in charge of the government's immigration strategy when net migration rose from 1.6 million to 2.7 million a year in a matter of years. In this episode, we talk about what went wrong, why it happened and why it matters.
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Because we, I was very much part of the senior advisor.
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Everything is smaller and more of a shoestring in British politics.
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And I basically did a number of jobs, the strategy, policy, communications, the whole thing.
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And we had a commitment, I think I'm getting this right, in going into that 2010 election.
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yeah yeah hundreds of thousands to tens of thousands so one of the reasons that that was
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never met and it was very clearly explained to me we had a policy you know this was a policy
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commitment so of course you're there once once he became prime minister you're in 10 downing street
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you're really focused on delivering your promises one of the things we kept looking why you know we
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said this is it happening making you know checking on progress on this particular one i remember a
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meeting where the officials the bureaucrats came in and said look basically said you're never going
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to achieve this target as long as you're in the eu impossible because of the free migration rules
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within the eu never going to be delivered it's one of the reasons that i was in favor of brexit
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that's when we really fell out i'd left the uk by then we moved here in 2012
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brexit was a 2016 that was one of the main reasons because he'd made this commitment and
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his own government officials said you can't meet this commitment as long as britain remains in the
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now the really crazy thing which i just don't understand i haven't i wasn't there 2016 brexit
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and said, you're never going to meet the target as long as you're in the EU.
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And the main argument, I mean, there's lots of arguments for Brexit,
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but if you really ask people who are involved there and whatever,
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the biggest one was immigration, controlling our borders.
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That was really, if there's one thing that Brexit was about, it was that.
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And yet, since Brexit, I think it's accelerated.
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our net migration is the lowest it's been in years.
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Yeah, net migration has fallen 82% in the last five years.
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I promise you to restore the control of our borders.
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We're introducing scale-based migration systems
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that rewards contribution and ends our resilience
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That's exactly what the conservatives used to say.
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Johnson, they had those prime ministers that lasted about five minutes.
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You've been in a space of knowing you want to get things done,
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I mean, I'll give you a specific story that really opened my eyes.
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I mean, it's a silly story, but it kind of showed me.
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so one of the projects that i led um initiated and led was we called it the red tape challenge
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or something like that to reduce bureaucracy in the uk this is going back must have been
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when was it 2010 you know around that the first i was only there for two years um
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there we are so i'm saying look at that it's our ancient history but there we are steve hilton was
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the primary architect of the red tape challenge right so the the idea was to it's actually the
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technical term for it now you would you would say is reverse sunsetting where we all know about
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sunsetting regulations you pass something you say this only lasts for five years unless we renew it
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it expires i wanted to have a concept of reverse sunsetting where we just take the whole stock
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of regulations that are on the books and change the default so instead of saying we're going to
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get rid of this one and get rid of that you basically say we're going to get rid of all of
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it let's choose the regulations that we want to keep that was the concept um i remember we had
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input from the public we crowdsourced some stuff whatever and then we started having the meetings
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with the official the bureaucrats and the civil servants and we divided up the whole regulatory
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code into different sections like about 29 different categories the first set that we
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looked at consumer protection i remember we had this big meeting they all come in the room
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dozens of different government officials leading the different bits of the relevant departments
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and there's a lot of paperwork on you go through the packet and i remember i just went i just
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didn't want to just go in order i went into the middle picked something at random and it was
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color coded and i can't remember which way around red green and most was one color and i said oh
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that's great so that's what we're getting rid of no no that's what we have to keep okay that's not
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the point of this exercise but still let's look at one of these it was men's pajamas just randomly
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i just what why do we have to keep that whatever there's the guy around the table who was head of
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the whatever apparel division we have a 40 minute discussion about the regulations on men's pajamas
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stop it and then at the end this is i'm not making up he says wow i don't want to mock the voice he
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said if anything the public interest demands that we level up regulations from a gender equality
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perspective because the regulations for women's pajamas are actually lower than for you just think
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i can't believe it we spent 40 minutes talking about one thing out of thousands and it's at that
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point i realized you can't do it this way you'll never beat them at that kind of game of process
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and paperwork because they are better at how do you beat there's more of them they wait you out
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and i'll tell you another story that fits with this before the 2010 election when we uh came
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into before david camber became prime minister you know london's a small town everyone's very
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centralized everyone knows each other and we had a lot of friends overlapping with the former labor
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government of tony blair tony blair who really was a reformer um and we ended up having a meeting
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a couple of months before the election myself and tony blair and he said this incredibly
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interesting thing and he'd been out of power for seven years by then i think or something like that
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maybe a bit less and he said look there's just one thing you need to understand
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all these senior officials around you number they're very smart very good people but
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you've got to understand that they believe that it is their patriotic duty to stop you from doing
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whatever you want to do because they see themselves as the guardians of the national interest yeah and
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and their job is to stop these idiot here today gone tomorrow politicians from doing their thing
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so you've got to understand this i didn't understand that till too late and putting those
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two things together and looking at california today the only answer actually is to massively
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reduce the size of these bureaus and just because if there's fewer people doing less there's less
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capacity easier said than done i mean the doge idea was an idea that everybody supported until
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they try to implement and then they stopped it four or five months later in california you've
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got a couple of things first of all it's in a sense more manageable because it's you can get
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your arms around it to a certain extent some would even say it's harder because you got 43 to 9 on
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represent like how are you going to pass them when they got control on the majority but the
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governor sets the budget okay right that's the first that's the main policy making vehicle who
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do you need to approve the budget the legislature you work with the legislature you have a line item
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veto yes they can overturn a two-thirds majority yeah i know but let you write the budget you
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submit the budget that's the first move a lot of that will be right at the beginning in january
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next year um yes you negotiate of course but let me just get to the point that um
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you want you run the executive branch you run these agencies you appoint people to them
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and you can direct their work through executive orders it's true that a lot of it is set up
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But actually, when you look at some of these bureaucracies,
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There's a way of looking at it that the most destructive
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that it's been around for long before climate was the big driving ideological thing for the left
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and so we we just made an announcement so i can't go back to caldoge i spoke about
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the fraud reports that we've done we've done five different fraud reports we also didn't we've only
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done one now but we're going to be doing more of them what i call bloat reports where we're looking
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at the structure of the government the first one we did was nearly two weeks ago now looking at the
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regulation of electricity in california we have four separate agencies regulating electricity
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public utilities commission the energy commission something called kiso the independent service
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operator and carb the air resources board um if you look at it on a per capita basis
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california has 35 times the number of bureaucrats regulating electricity as other states 35 times
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the number just the numbers of people the cost of that is 1.2 billion dollars before you even
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generate any electricity so we obviously there's massive scope to merge them that's what we've
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proposed to get to massively scale back these agencies you can zero out their budgets or reduce
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them to very little yes they can override that with a veto in the legislature there hasn't been
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an override of a governor's veto since the 1980s in california it's actually kind of a tough thing
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to do because as the governor you've got the platform you they get they then have to defend
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it and so if you're really aggressive and you're well prepared and i'm both of those things
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saying it's going to be easy but i think the real learning point for me from what happened in the
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