“A Treacherous Little Weasel” - Piers Morgan & Dave Rubin Online FIGHT Gets Personal
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On this episode of the Forward podcast, I am joined by my good friend and long-time colleague, Chaz from the Jewish Voice for America, to discuss the latest in the anti-Netanyahu and anti-Americanism movement in the right wing of the political spectrum. We talk about why the right is becoming increasingly hostile towards Israel and why we should be worried about it.
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By the way, is it true that Pierce used to be with Sky News
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Did you see Pierce and Dave Rubin are having a massive fight online?
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Because Pierce was on Rubin's show, and I know Dave Cobb well,
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and Dave told him why he doesn't like to do the show
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I'm like, just juke it out whilst just sitting opposite each other.
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He says, pretty sure Megan got some of the Botox.
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And Pierce would sell his mother to a jihadist for a click.
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Four months ago, I drove out to Ruben's podcast at his home in Miami.
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me personal favor because he's done my show many times i thought we were friends how wrong could i
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be what a treacherous little weasel treacherous they uh yeah they've gone they've gone so what
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do you think about this whole israel thing because that last sentence right being netanyahu's useful
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idiots has sent him and shapiro nuts every time this israel netanyahu comes people on both sides
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lose their mind why do you think that is look we're talking about this um in melbourne recently
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i was with a group of uh members of the jewish community it was a function and we talked about
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this and i've talked to jewish friends about this a lot recently because there is this fracture on
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the right, where an increasing number are anti-Israel, you would say, or at least very
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cynical about Israel, I would say, rather than anti-Israel, cynical about Israel.
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And it's something I think the Jewish community, certainly in Australia, is very much aware
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of and something that some of them understand what's behind it. I think there's a lot of factors
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but yeah I think it's a real concern for them because they know where the left stands on this
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issue. The left have made it very clear particularly post-October 7 where they stand and
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to maintain support on the right I think they have to change the tactics a little bit and again I'm
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generalising here when I say they I'm talking about the lobby in general but this cancellation
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if anybody says something that is a little bit different to what you want or is a little bit
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critical of whether it's Netanyahu or Israel's stated position to I think there's been an
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eagerness by some not by all by some to immediately attack that position as anti-semitic and I think
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that's really counterproductive and I think that's behind some of the sentiment we've seen where
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people are not happy with people being cancelled or attempting to cancel people because
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they have taken a position that the lobby may not agree with I think it's just
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unhelpful and I think I don't like the principle of it I think people should be able to say what
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they want unless you're threatening or saying something that breaches the law then
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counter it with arguments don't counter it with trying to get their advertisers cancelled or try
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to de-platform them as some sort of you know um undesirable who who who cannot be reasoned with
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I think there's just been a little bit of that from certain segments
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of the community that has been really counterproductive.
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I've seen it here in particular but also in Australia.
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But, yeah, there is this growing wing of the right that is becoming more
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and more hostile towards Benjamin Netanyahu in particular.
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It is interesting and I think it's something that Republicans have got to be aware of.
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I still think it's a small minority though because there's so much talk about MAGA's fractured
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and it's disintegrating and there was another poll recently against CNN, 98% of MAGA stands
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So if that's a fracture, then that's pretty well handled.
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I think that was July 2025 when they showed that.
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It'll be, you know, the one thing with him is he is a guy that gets ahead of it.
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I mean, I just don't understand someone on the right who say,
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Or even before the election, they were saying not voting for Trump.
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I mean, he may not be as pure ideologically as you want,
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What other Republican would have achieved half of that?
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I can fully understand if you've got some rhino that you don't want
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But if Trump is not strong enough for you, then I don't know what is.
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I mean, there's things he says or does that I don't agree with,
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but you're never going to have 100% in agreement with anybody.
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Well, Pierce, I must have done his show at some point.
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I mean, I took over his time slot at Sky News, so he was with us.
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And I think he had a fairly long-term contract.
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and then after a year or so he went off and did his own thing.
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And so, yeah, I took over his time slot in Australia
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but it was a show he did that also ran in the UK
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But I've never done this current version of his program
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very shouty which is what I think Dave Rubin was uh objecting to I don't mind the shoutiness I mean
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I see clips every now and then and I find it amusing some of it's quite funny I think someone's
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gonna do it someone's gotta do it and I think Pierce is the right guy to do it because Pierce
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is not afraid to get out there and wrestle with the pigs and then go talk to guy that's running
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for office and then go talk to president go talk to Ronaldo I think he's talented he's made for TV
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So whatever people want to say, the guy was made for TV, period.
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But I think this product is ideally suited for him because, like you said,
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he can moderate it, but he can also moderate it with also stating his own opinion.
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But, you know, Ben Shapiro made the video about him.
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And then, you know, Ben and Dave Rubin are part of the same camp,
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And Pierce, I don't know if Pierce is part of any camp.
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You know what, Pierce to me is not, to me is not a conservative.
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To me he's a genuine centrist because there are some things
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he's very conservative and other issues where he's very much on the left.
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So to me he's a genuine centrist where his political belief
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I mean, during COVID, Pierce and I would have been very much
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We would have had some shouting matches if he had the program back then.
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He was bloody getting upset with people who were breaching these irrational laws
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I mean, the stuff we had in Australia was so insanely idiotic.
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it beggars belief that people accepted it and people did accept it that really changed my view
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of australia i think forever because i never saw us like that i never saw us as so compliant and so
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um scared because there was the scare campaign it was across the media
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across all levels of government and people fell into line so in victoria you couldn't go fishing
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They had a five-kilometre radius around your property that you could go to.
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So, I don't know, three and a half miles that you could.
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You had to be home by a certain hour, I think it was like 9pm, it was something quite early.
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And we also had only an hour you could be outside exercising per day.
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And the safest place was outside, the safest place was to be outside.
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And all these crazy rules that I'm sure you had some states here in California, New York,
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where you could be in restaurants, but you could only take your mask off at the table.
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If you got up to walk, you had to put your mask on or, you know,
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like just so many irrational, insane laws that no thinking person
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could look at and go, this makes sense to reduce the spread
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We had border closures between states, so we had people trapped
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between state lines, not able to go home for months,
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we had people who whose family member was dying and they couldn't go across a state border to
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say goodbye see them one last time because they weren't allowed the state borders were closed
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so if you went from if you want to go to from victoria to new south wales you either were not
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allowed um or you'd have to go into quarantine i mean the the the laws we had in australia were
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Chinese Communist Party level crazy. And particularly in Victoria, that was the epicenter
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of the COVID scare in Australia. For some of you that are watching it, that are fans,
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she's officially on MNEC. So if you want to MNEC there and ask her questions, you can. I think her
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