Valuetainment - May 08, 2025


“Act Like a DAMN Leader” - Pierre Poilievre’s Team BLAMING Campaign Manager For Loss to Carney

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Patrick Bet-David
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Pierre Poilievre Donald Trump Vinny Jenny Byrne Mark Carney Nick Freitas Justin Trudeau Sam Harris Adam Future Looks Bright Vincent O'Shanna John Brennan Theo Vaughn Joe Biden Alcatraz LeBron Rogan
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15 minutes

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In the wake of the election defeat, many are pointing fingers at the campaign manager, Jenny Byrne. Is it her fault or is it the fault of her boss, Pierre Poliev, for the loss of the campaign?

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00:00:00.000 Things are so bad now, so now they have to find somebody to blame.
00:00:03.020 This reminds me of LeBron's Game 5 when they lose,
00:00:06.320 and then he posts a picture and says,
00:00:08.800 well, I will not be at the Met Gala because of my knee injury.
00:00:12.600 I won't be making a Met Gala.
00:00:15.000 So they need an out why they lost to Minnesota.
00:00:19.420 But conservative expected to point fingers at Jenny Byrne during election post-mortem.
00:00:25.560 If we had won, everything would have been forgotten.
00:00:27.960 One MP told National Post, go lower.
00:00:30.260 So that's apparently the campaign manager that hung up on our booker twice, her and her team. 0.99
00:00:36.200 Conservative leader, Pierre Poliev, is expected to hear on Tuesday from caucus members
00:00:39.800 that's sitting over mistakes made over the course of the campaign
00:00:42.320 with fingers pointing to campaign manager Jenny Byrne.
00:00:44.440 Keep going lower.
00:00:45.620 Conservative MP insider spoke to National Post, did not lay the blame on Poliev,
00:00:49.900 who they said was busy crisscrossing the country,
00:00:53.440 but rather the operational internal decision spearheaded by Byrne during the campaign.
00:00:56.680 They pointed to the messy nominations because there was a bunch of guys named Pierre
00:01:00.300 on the list that were running, so they wanted to confuse,
00:01:02.260 but they knew that weeks in advance, as well as rules against speaking freely
00:01:05.640 to the media and their constituents' rules.
00:01:08.340 They also brought up the campaign's choice not to pivot.
00:01:11.980 After Justin Trudeau's departure, Mark Carney's arrival as liberal leader
00:01:15.000 and U.S. President Donald Trump, frequent interviews on the question,
00:01:18.000 1 p.m. spoke on a condition of anonymity in order to speak freely,
00:01:21.740 he said it was especially difficult to get anything done with Byrne having the final say on things
00:01:26.180 and that regional organizers were often left waiting for approval.
00:01:29.700 In terms of campaign, the game plan was followed,
00:01:33.200 but what we didn't like was a lack of flexibility.
00:01:36.300 Everything went through her.
00:01:37.620 Okay, so now people say what?
00:01:39.280 Well, this is why they lost the election.
00:01:42.260 It isn't Pierre's fault.
00:01:43.740 It's 100% on Pierre.
00:01:45.560 Who chose the campaign manager? 0.77
00:01:47.580 Who hired this person?
00:01:48.680 Pierre.
00:01:49.000 Was she forced upon you?
00:01:50.520 Nope.
00:01:51.040 Oh, so for everybody that's trying to defend Pierre,
00:01:54.540 they handcuffed him, they arrested him, they put a gun to his head,
00:01:57.540 and they said, this is your campaign manager. 1.00
00:02:01.200 And whatever she says you do, you're a damn leader. 1.00
00:02:04.880 What do you mean? 1.00
00:02:06.200 You're the leader.
00:02:07.660 You can fire people.
00:02:09.580 You can move on.
00:02:11.220 You can bring a new team.
00:02:12.620 You can do things like that.
00:02:13.880 But you guys keep protecting your little baby.
00:02:17.220 God forbid.
00:02:18.560 Oh, my God.
00:02:20.020 This guy didn't do anything wrong.
00:02:21.700 It's not his fault.
00:02:23.280 Now, don't get me wrong.
00:02:24.100 Some of the other guys, the former couple of the guys that had won in the past before,
00:02:27.380 they said, you should have used my campaign manager.
00:02:29.320 What's the guy's name?
00:02:29.920 Is it Duck Ford?
00:02:30.620 Is it something?
00:02:32.120 What's his name?
00:02:32.840 Is there a guy named Duck Ford in Canada?
00:02:35.160 Yeah, a guy named Duck Ford said, you should have used my campaign manager. 0.90
00:02:39.260 You would have won instead of using this.
00:02:40.640 Maybe he's right.
00:02:41.300 Maybe he's not.
00:02:41.900 Some people are saying that it could have been a different result.
00:02:47.420 But again, that falls on the executive.
00:02:51.400 The executive here is who?
00:02:53.820 Pierre Polyev.
00:02:55.720 Okay?
00:02:56.600 He dictates the terms and the speed.
00:03:00.320 No matter who the campaign manager is, if you're a leader, you dictate.
00:03:04.040 Here's what we're going to be doing.
00:03:05.720 These big decisions flow through me.
00:03:07.620 I need to know what's going on with this.
00:03:08.980 I need to know, I need to do a daily report on what's going on with all these offers that are coming our way.
00:03:13.140 You, the leader, can ask that.
00:03:14.820 If you're running for office, Adam, Tom, Vinny, any one of you guys.
00:03:18.560 Ellsworth, Sosnick, 2028.
00:03:20.000 And honestly, if we hire Rob as your campaign manager, say we hire somebody as a campaign manager, can you tell me, if I'm your advisor and you hired a campaign manager and you say, Pat, I want the campaign manager to be held accountable by you, but they're also reporting to me as well.
00:03:39.800 No problem.
00:03:40.160 What reports do we want from this campaign manager on a daily basis?
00:03:43.620 We want to see real polls from people we can trust.
00:03:47.200 We want to see real coverage.
00:03:48.740 What coverage are we getting?
00:03:49.960 Is our message getting into all the newspapers or is it getting spun?
00:03:53.660 I want to know what is the opposition doing and how many eyeballs are they getting?
00:03:58.260 Are their messages getting out or their message getting spun?
00:04:01.160 You would want the campaign manager to have their finger on the pulse of not only what's happening for you, but for everybody else.
00:04:09.300 And by the way, how many times have we seen Trump had a great campaign team around him?
00:04:14.120 How many times did we see, you know, the campaign team was running for cover because Trump went over and talked to these people and he just said, you know what?
00:04:21.460 I'm going to go over there and I'm going to talk to these people.
00:04:22.880 And then he would say some things and the campaign people sometimes got nervous about that.
00:04:26.660 But you know what?
00:04:27.440 That's the candidate leading.
00:04:28.720 But to your question, we'd want the campaign manager to have their finger on the pulse of everything, tell us the truth so we can make the decision about it.
00:04:36.120 Adam, again, what is the question?
00:04:38.500 I want to make sure I qualify the question because you need it.
00:04:41.500 So if the campaign manager works for you, what daily reports do you want from this campaign manager?
00:04:50.420 What daily reports do you want from your campaign manager?
00:04:53.320 You want to know polling.
00:04:54.440 You want to know your schedule.
00:04:57.000 You want to know where you're going.
00:04:57.860 You want to know what's going on in the world.
00:04:59.160 You want to happen domestically.
00:05:00.480 You also want to understand what's going on, certainly, in the United States, your neighbor.
00:05:04.700 You also want to know what's going on with the United States and Mexico because we have that trade agreement with them.
00:05:13.020 I think you just need a whole comprehensive report of what's going on in general.
00:05:16.920 What else do you want?
00:05:18.160 Guys, let me ask you a question.
00:05:19.400 Vinny, what would you want?
00:05:20.200 I want everything with the polling.
00:05:22.340 I want what the temperature is with all the social media, what the streets are saying, setting me up with interviews, with polling and everything as well.
00:05:30.580 Would you want to know what outlets reached out to you on a daily basis?
00:05:33.960 Oh, 1,000%.
00:05:34.900 Who's trying to talk to us?
00:05:36.220 What type of stuff do you want?
00:05:36.860 Would you want to know what outlets we're reaching out to that they're not reaching out to us?
00:05:40.340 So, for example, if I'm your campaign manager, would you sit down with me and say, Pat, I need you to get me on these top 20 shows?
00:05:47.680 That's a no-brainer.
00:05:48.640 Would you want me to do that?
00:05:49.540 1,000%.
00:05:50.140 Okay, so even though they're not reaching out to us, you want me to reach out to them?
00:05:54.780 100%.
00:05:55.060 Okay.
00:05:55.580 All right, so who reached out to about Max Bernier?
00:05:58.140 Did we reach out to Max?
00:05:59.380 Max reached out to us and said, I'd like to be on your podcast.
00:06:03.100 We didn't reach out.
00:06:03.480 And by the way, he DM'd me personally.
00:06:05.560 He says, hey, what do you think about this?
00:06:07.320 Hey, I'd like to come on a podcast.
00:06:08.440 Great.
00:06:08.680 Joe, when you're thinking about reports, sentiments, poll, data, reaching out, outreach coming in, what clips did the best?
00:06:17.540 What negative clips did the best?
00:06:19.160 What are people saying?
00:06:20.040 What are people not happy about?
00:06:21.640 What are people in our market not happy about?
00:06:23.440 How are they responding to the math?
00:06:25.660 Last speech I just gave on some of the issues that I brought up, like if I'm testing Alcatraz and all this other stuff, what are people saying about we need to keep the border clean?
00:06:33.020 How are conservatives responding to us?
00:06:35.200 What is the rhino saying?
00:06:36.420 What are the people who are enemies of mine saying?
00:06:39.020 What's trending for them?
00:06:40.520 You want to know all of that data.
00:06:42.380 That's what you want to know.
00:06:43.640 So now you may say, well, he just had a bad campaign manager.
00:06:46.740 No, no.
00:06:47.540 Campaign managers are managed by an executive.
00:06:51.060 Every executive is managed by another executive that asks them, what do we need?
00:06:55.240 Here's what I want us to do with HR.
00:06:56.660 I need the following reports.
00:06:58.360 Here's what we need for date.
00:06:59.520 Here's what we need for that.
00:07:00.380 Here's what I need for sales.
00:07:01.540 What are we talking about here?
00:07:03.020 And you want to be the prime minister?
00:07:04.580 Maybe Carney was a better manager than you.
00:07:06.600 The reality of it is he may be a liberal.
00:07:08.540 He may have terrible policies I don't agree with, but maybe he was just a better executive than you.
00:07:13.200 Think about the executive side and what his background was, what he did, what he didn't do.
00:07:18.860 Maybe the lesson learned here for a guy like him, similar to also the governor of the state of Florida, is I don't care who your campaign manager is.
00:07:28.600 I don't care if it's your spouse.
00:07:30.260 I don't care if it's your brother.
00:07:31.740 I don't care if it's anybody.
00:07:33.040 I don't care if it's your best friend. 0.99
00:07:34.200 At the end of the day, be a damn executive and understand marketing and getting ahead of it. 0.98
00:07:41.640 Don't just sit there and be pompous and be like, no, we're not going to do that. 0.99
00:07:44.240 Oh, no, no, we're not going to do that.
00:07:46.840 Very unattractive quality.
00:07:48.660 Anyways.
00:07:49.200 Well, last point here.
00:07:50.080 I think if there's anything I can say about Pierre probably where he screwed up was, you ever see in a football game, you're up 35-21 and there's two minutes left.
00:07:59.400 Go into the prevent defense.
00:08:01.080 Just play prevent defense.
00:08:02.320 Just run the ball.
00:08:03.580 We'll punt it.
00:08:04.720 We'll play prevent defense.
00:08:05.860 And what happens when you stop playing offense, once they start scoring, all of a sudden, what should we do?
00:08:11.360 Oh, my God.
00:08:12.280 What are we going to do?
00:08:13.060 All right.
00:08:13.400 Run the ball.
00:08:13.980 Three and out.
00:08:14.420 Three and out.
00:08:14.820 You're punting.
00:08:15.240 You're punting.
00:08:15.820 In my opinion, Pierre Polyev did not go on offense.
00:08:18.860 He was playing prevent defense.
00:08:20.940 And, you know, speaking of just this football analogy, same thing happened in Canada.
00:08:24.940 Happy United States.
00:08:25.680 A couple months before the election, what happened?
00:08:27.840 They bring in a different quarterback.
00:08:29.800 Instead of Joe Biden, they brought in Kamala Harris.
00:08:31.940 Same thing with in Canada.
00:08:33.460 Instead of Justin Trudeau, boom, Mark Carney shows up.
00:08:36.960 The difference is Mark Carney was a little bit better of a leader and a communicator than the atrocity known as Kamala Harris.
00:08:43.040 And what Trump did is the exact opposite of what Pierre Polyev did.
00:08:47.180 Trump said, what?
00:08:48.160 I'm going to get out there.
00:08:49.240 I'm going to rally.
00:08:50.020 I'm going to go on every single podcast.
00:08:52.760 I'm going to get out there.
00:08:54.040 Theo Vaughn, PBD, Rogan, the list goes on.
00:08:56.640 Whereas Pierre Polyev played prevent defense.
00:08:58.980 And all of a sudden, it's a tie ball game.
00:09:01.560 All of a sudden, he's down seven.
00:09:03.540 Next thing you know, he loses by 10.
00:09:05.640 In an election, he should have won by 14.
00:09:07.880 Yeah.
00:09:08.340 By a mile.
00:09:09.120 Anyways, Canadians, did you hear the stories about how many Canadians are planning on leaving to the States?
00:09:14.820 No.
00:09:15.220 Did you see the article on how many are wanting to move to the States?
00:09:18.080 And I don't blame you on what's going to be happening.
00:09:20.300 But let's see what your Carney guy is going to do when he comes and meets with Trump.
00:09:23.820 Maybe he is a better executive.
00:09:26.340 Maybe he's a better executive.
00:09:29.340 Executive.
00:09:30.000 I have a question for you, PBD.
00:09:30.800 Maybe Pierre is a better motivational speaker.
00:09:33.300 An apple eater.
00:09:34.120 He eats a hell of an apple.
00:09:35.540 It's a different story.
00:09:36.200 I think that's BS.
00:09:37.020 One clip.
00:09:37.720 I have one question for you, Ben.
00:09:39.420 Yeah.
00:09:39.720 Because it's no secret.
00:09:41.380 You're very disappointed in Pierre Polyev.
00:09:44.240 Yeah.
00:09:44.340 And without you sort of bringing it up time and time and time again, we probably wouldn't cover this much.
00:09:52.360 Do you have a problem with his approach?
00:09:54.340 Do you have a problem with him as a person?
00:09:56.260 Are you upset that a conservative who should have won did not win?
00:10:00.640 What is it that you look at Pierre Polyev?
00:10:02.280 I hold the voters accountable for being too soft.
00:10:08.100 I hold the voters accountable for being too soft.
00:10:11.400 I hold himself accountable for not being an executive.
00:10:16.660 I've been in business for 25 years and I've watched a lot of sales leaders.
00:10:20.040 And nothing was more annoying than guys that were great speakers on stage who were privately lazy and they leaned on their talents to get them to the next level.
00:10:30.960 There was nothing more annoying than seeing super talented, capable guys.
00:10:36.160 I would sit there and I would talk with him.
00:10:38.200 I said, you realize that guy is driving 200 miles, going to appointments.
00:10:43.260 You want everybody to come see you.
00:10:45.340 You think you're so special that everyone needs to come see you.
00:10:48.340 He doesn't.
00:10:49.580 That guy was making 200 grand a year.
00:10:51.280 The other guy was making $30,000 a year.
00:10:53.300 That guy's not making $400,000 a year.
00:10:55.080 20 years later, that guy's making $2.2 million a year.
00:10:58.060 Because that guy was willing to do the work.
00:11:02.060 He was 10 times more talented and capable, but that guy was a worker.
00:11:07.240 And that's Pierre.
00:11:08.420 Super talented, capable guy.
00:11:10.100 I've seen guys like Pierre many times.
00:11:12.880 There's no difference.
00:11:13.900 It's just the more public, competitive playground you're in than the one we're in.
00:11:18.260 We're not public.
00:11:19.260 But you see patterns with guys like Pierre.
00:11:20.980 Super capable, super talented, great speaker, good looking, beautiful wife, beautiful family.
00:11:25.620 Just don't think he needs to do the work because he thinks he's got it figured out.
00:11:30.160 The market will destroy you.
00:11:33.420 Destroy you.
00:11:34.780 And the world saw it.
00:11:35.600 Where you have to beg another person to step down to give you their spot.
00:11:39.600 Like Carney did.
00:11:40.900 Now, I'd love to see a great comeback.
00:11:44.780 And him coming back and winning.
00:11:46.580 And learning from his mistakes.
00:11:48.240 But he gives me the vibes of a guy that's too pompous to learn from his mistakes.
00:11:52.380 Who knows?
00:11:52.840 I may be wrong.
00:11:53.500 Thank you for clarifying.
00:11:54.260 It's almost like hard work beats talent if talent will not work hard.
00:11:59.120 I get annoyed when a guy's that talented.
00:12:02.720 You are that talented. 0.98
00:12:05.460 Are you freaking like that? 0.87
00:12:06.480 You are that talented and capable? 0.86
00:12:09.500 Ah, it's so frustrating when you're so talented and capable.
00:12:12.200 Anyways, let's go to the next story.
00:12:13.900 Canadian people, you know I love you.
00:12:16.020 When you run into me and you pull me aside and we have that conversation together, you know I love you.
00:12:20.660 I respect you guys.
00:12:21.360 I've had some great memories in Canada and I will continue to make great memories in Canada.
00:12:25.620 Although I'm sure if I go to Canada next time somebody sees me, they're going to say some bad comments.
00:12:29.820 But we'll probably sit down and have a conversation about it.
00:12:31.540 And to you, single Canadian woman, 35 to 40, Vinny would like to love you.
00:12:35.200 Yeah, that's right.
00:12:36.180 Okay.
00:12:36.780 35 to 40.
00:12:40.580 I'll just say 58 to 90, Tom.
00:12:44.120 Where the hell are you going?
00:12:46.960 How about 26 to 30?
00:12:49.700 Thank you, Vincent O'Channa.
00:12:53.380 Tom's like, hey, ladies in the old folks' home, geriatrics, if your teeth are still there, hit up Vinny. 1.00
00:12:59.040 And you're a billionaire.
00:13:00.060 And you're all.
00:13:00.500 And you're all.
00:13:01.100 If she's 35 and older or 85 and older, that's it. 0.70
00:13:04.460 Next week is Armed Forces Day.
00:13:08.240 And we're celebrating folks who were in the military.
00:13:11.180 I was in the Army.
00:13:12.540 Vinny here was in the Air Force.
00:13:14.460 And so we came out with these hats simply because a lot of people were asking about it.
00:13:17.840 And here's how it looks.
00:13:19.260 It's a Future Looks Bright hat with a sticker.
00:13:22.080 Listen to it.
00:13:23.120 I love that.
00:13:23.820 Isn't that awesome?
00:13:24.300 Oh, what?
00:13:24.660 So you see it says Future Looks Bright.
00:13:26.140 But you get to put the USMC Future Looks Bright on there.
00:13:30.940 We have it for Navy Future Looks Bright.
00:13:33.600 We have it for Army Green Future Looks Bright.
00:13:35.880 I love that.
00:13:36.340 They're all here.
00:13:37.400 And then we also have the, what do you call it, the shirts, Navy, Army, Air Force, what do you call it, Armed Forces that are there, Rob?
00:13:45.820 What else do we have on there?
00:13:46.800 Outside of that, we also have the new Angry Patriot.
00:13:49.340 Vinny, show us what you got there.
00:13:50.340 So we have the Angry Patriot Bucket Act because, you know, we're in Florida.
00:13:52.960 It's hot.
00:13:53.200 You know, the weather's going to start changing.
00:13:55.120 Angry Patriot in the front.
00:13:57.400 The Future Looks Bright in the back.
00:13:59.280 And if you get anything, if you get this or you get anything from the Angry Patriot collection, you get a free Angry Patriot mug. 0.94
00:14:05.520 And this hat is ridiculous. 0.97
00:14:06.760 That's pretty sick, by the way. 0.99
00:14:07.700 I love it.
00:14:08.260 That's very, very sick.
00:14:09.600 Put that thing on, buddy.
00:14:10.400 And FYI, outside of that, you're going to get dog tags, vitamin dog tags that say, outwork, outstrategize, outimprove, and outlast for every order you place.
00:14:21.000 But more importantly, we just want to say thank you to your service for everyone that served.
00:14:25.720 I got a call from a guy yesterday telling me, he says, Pat, you know, I'm in, out of the country, in Europe.
00:14:31.320 I'm wearing my Future Looks Bright hat.
00:14:33.520 I'm poolside.
00:14:35.000 And he says, one by one by one, everybody would look at me and they would say, hey, I know about that.
00:14:39.720 I know who that is.
00:14:40.440 The community is getting bigger and bigger.
00:14:42.140 Hell yeah.
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