Valuetainment - July 14, 2026


“AI Made Cheating Too EASY” - Universities Bring Back Real Learning


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University of Chicago bans devices in class to reduce AI reliance, and a Brown University professor says, "Let me read both of them, and then, I'll come to you mainly and then we'll go from there."

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00:00:00.000 This article that came out talking about University of Chicago Law School bans devices to reduce
00:00:04.760 AI reliance, and then it kind of coincides with the other story that shows a wake-up
00:00:10.600 call about AI cheating.
00:00:12.180 Brown University professor says, let me read both of them, and then, Tom, I'll come to
00:00:15.980 you mainly, and then we'll go from there.
00:00:18.700 So the first story I want to get to is University of Chicago decides they will ban first-year
00:00:25.940 law students from using iPhones, tablets, and laptops in class beginning this fall,
00:00:31.560 seeking to ensure students learn to think critically, strategically, and independently
00:00:35.480 without relying on artificial intelligence.
00:00:37.340 Would AI disrupt in higher education?
00:00:39.300 Our commitment to rigorous legal education also must mean openness to even rapid adaptation.
00:00:48.500 Administrators say a willingness to rethink our practices is consistent with our law school's
00:00:53.100 long history of innovation.
00:00:54.180 after a year of consultation with students, faculty and law firm leaders, legal technology
00:01:01.920 executives and the broader university community administrators concluded that students must
00:01:05.600 develop independent reasoning while preparing to use AI in legal practice.
00:01:09.640 So that's out.
00:01:10.280 Now look at this one.
00:01:11.640 Brown is going through the same thing.
00:01:13.020 Brown University professor Roberto Serrano saw scores collapse between a take-home midterm
00:01:18.560 and an in-person final, which I'm glad they did that,
00:01:21.500 leading him to suspect widespread AI-assisted cheating.
00:01:25.100 Some students fell from perfect midterm scores
00:01:27.220 to below 20% on the final.
00:01:29.920 Serrano teaches welfare economics and social choice theory.
00:01:33.060 The midterm was administrated at home
00:01:34.780 after a school shooter killed two students in December.
00:01:38.260 Whoa, the problem with this technology
00:01:40.200 is that the cost of cheating has basically gone down to zero.
00:01:43.900 It's very easy for students to succumb to the temptation
00:01:46.320 after Serrano announced that the final would be held in person.
00:01:49.840 Many previously high-score students dropped the course.
00:01:53.040 Did you hear, Devaney?
00:01:54.140 So these guys scored a high number, take home.
00:01:56.500 All of a sudden, they're like, no, no, we're doing it in school. 0.99
00:01:58.320 It's like, oh, shit, drop the course. 0.99
00:01:59.700 Why? 0.99
00:02:00.000 Because they haven't been studying at all.
00:02:01.580 Others who earned grades in high 90s on the midterm scored in the 50s.
00:02:06.220 You scored 90s in a take-home midterm.
00:02:08.140 You're scoring 50s in school.
00:02:10.260 Are you surprised Serrano shared the details with Brown's standing committee
00:02:13.220 on the academic code on July 8th,
00:02:15.940 university spokesperson Brian E. Clark
00:02:17.980 said the committee would proceed
00:02:19.520 according to the procedure
00:02:21.340 and that Brown treats
00:02:22.260 every academic integrity allegation
00:02:24.120 with the utmost seriousness.
00:02:25.920 Tom, your thoughts on this.
00:02:26.980 Well, first of all,
00:02:28.080 I love both these stories
00:02:29.620 for two very key reasons.
00:02:32.080 Number one, University of Chicago Law School,
00:02:34.720 and people may not think of it like this,
00:02:37.120 but law schools and MBA schools,
00:02:39.160 business schools,
00:02:39.800 they want to protect their reputation.
00:02:41.640 And what they don't want
00:02:42.980 is a bunch of people coming out zombies
00:02:46.100 that don't know how to perform.
00:02:48.280 I mean, Pat, how long would it take
00:02:50.020 if you were doing a staff meeting
00:02:52.320 and you're talking about strategy?
00:02:53.640 We got some challenges.
00:02:55.020 Hey, it's February.
00:02:56.040 We have some challenges.
00:02:56.980 We need to make a plan on this and everything.
00:02:58.760 People are sitting in your conference room.
00:03:01.620 How many of them are sitting on laptop or an email?
00:03:05.060 They're not.
00:03:05.580 We're talking about the numbers in front of us
00:03:07.340 and try and make a decision.
00:03:08.620 If these people were just AI zombies
00:03:10.880 coming out of an MBA school,
00:03:11.920 how long would it take you to figure that out pat not long 15 minutes and be like you graduated
00:03:16.580 from from harvard with a harvard mba and you can't come in here to this room and just speak
00:03:21.840 intelligently form sentences and have your thoughts across and do that this you have to go back to your
00:03:26.080 desk let ai do for it so brown is is excuse me university of chicago they're they're concerned
00:03:32.380 about number one the reputation of the school and number two the ability to school to attract
00:03:37.220 Students, I love what they're doing. They're saying, time out. Put all those devices away. Let's talk about legal theory. Let's hear you reason. Let's hear you debate a fellow student the way you would in a courtroom. The second is, I love what happened at Brown. And there are people that have stepped out on this and have jumped on it to discuss it.
00:03:57.340 I love the fact that there is a student that got a 95.5 on the midterm and a 95 in-person
00:04:04.060 in class on the final.
00:04:05.560 And you know what he said?
00:04:06.740 The teacher stepped back and said, the professor stepped back and said, you know what?
00:04:09.960 I regarded that individual through observation throughout the semester as an excellent student
00:04:15.980 and attentive in class.
00:04:17.420 And I felt that he would probably do well.
00:04:19.900 I was not, guess what?
00:04:21.160 So he's observing him in class and then he gives him the in-person final.
00:04:24.960 The guy goes, okay, let me take care of this.
00:04:26.600 Boom.
00:04:27.340 95 and 95, which means he didn't cheat on the midterm.
00:04:30.280 It's very, very even.
00:04:31.580 Then there was another student.
00:04:32.600 He said, I like equally well, but the guy was somewhat less initiated and he had a 55
00:04:37.480 in the midterm and a 55 in the final.
00:04:39.640 Guess what?
00:04:40.940 Consistency.
00:04:41.580 Maybe he's working two jobs.
00:04:42.980 Maybe it was, it was, maybe he's struggling with the class, but the two scores proved
00:04:47.000 he was there.
00:04:47.680 I love these two stories because it's a shining a light on it that AI may be able to do assimilated
00:04:53.840 research for you.
00:04:54.800 I may be able to take some time.
00:04:56.540 We use it for prepping for podcasts here, but when AI does the job for you, it's not
00:05:01.700 you and you're not getting smarter and you've got Brown and you versus Chicago, both blue
00:05:07.540 schools who are waking up to it.
00:05:09.840 And I love it, Pat.
00:05:11.080 Adam, your thoughts on this?
00:05:13.140 Well, the funniest thing that stuck out to me with this whole AI thing is, did you see
00:05:16.600 the line where they said professors will designate classroom scribes to take notes for first
00:05:22.680 year classes?
00:05:23.200 You see that?
00:05:23.840 and scribes they haven't used scribes since medieval times like what's i know people there's
00:05:29.780 a lot of people out there that want to bring back the crusades i'm not advocating for that
00:05:33.260 just yet but when we're using scribes in classrooms right now it's like maybe we've
00:05:38.740 jumped the shark on this ai thing and pbd i know you're a big basketball fan for i'll tell you this
00:05:43.700 i remember you know there's unfair advantages right so i remember when i was in ninth grade
00:05:48.540 they put me with the middle school team to play i was scoring 30 points a game
00:05:53.000 30 points a game, they're like, dude, you're crushing it.
00:05:54.740 They go, okay, now you're going to play with the high school kids.
00:05:56.960 I started averaging 10.
00:05:58.520 Okay, maybe I had an unfair advantage with the kids that are in middle school.
00:06:01.700 But when you actually start competing and not using technology and unfair advantages,
00:06:05.640 basically cheating, you're basically going to be a reversion of the mean.
00:06:09.360 So I think this is going to become inevitable.
00:06:11.080 Whether it's medieval times, crusades, or taking away unfair advantages,
00:06:16.140 kids are going to have to put down the phone and actually learn in order to do their job moving forward.
00:06:21.280 Yeah, there you go.
00:06:21.860 Look, I like that they're doing this, and I don't – set aside politics.
00:06:25.420 If I'm taking a test home and I'm getting 95 and I'm doing it in school,
00:06:29.380 I'm doing it at 50, what the hell are you teaching the kids to go to school?
00:06:31.900 If I'm a parent, I'm like, why am I sending my kids to college?
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00:06:35.320 I'm not even paying for this thing anymore.
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