Valuetainment - May 22, 2026


"Another Realm Of Pain" - Carnivore MD WARNS How Benzos DESTROYED Jordan Peterson's Health


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A man who impacted tens of millions of men around the world, Jordan Peterson, has dealt with some challenges. Dr. Peterson's wife says he's in another realm of pain from psychiatric medication injury, and that he wants to get off of them.

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00:00:00.000 A man who impacted tens of millions of men around the world, Jordan Peterson, whom you and I both know about.
00:00:06.600 And he has dealt with certain challenges.
00:00:09.120 I remember in 2019, when I had an event with him, the late Kobe Bryant and President Bush and Billy Bean.
00:00:15.720 That was the event I had at Mirage, I believe.
00:00:19.120 And he was one of the guys that we had there.
00:00:20.840 Right after the event, that's the last interview that he did.
00:00:23.540 Stories have now come out, which his daughter's spoken about.
00:00:26.360 Now his wife is openly talking about this.
00:00:28.020 So this is public information.
00:00:29.860 Jordan Peterson's wife says he's in another realm of pain from psychiatric medication injury.
00:00:34.860 If I'm not mistaken, that's your major in school was psychiatry, an element of it, right?
00:00:40.580 I did my residency after medical school in psychiatry.
00:00:43.260 I never really practiced, but I was interested in mental health.
00:00:45.920 Okay, so if you go a little bit lower with this, Rob, on what we see here.
00:00:50.020 So neurological injury is suffering from medication-induced neurological injury.
00:00:55.660 Dr. Peterson is at home with family and healthful companions.
00:00:57.880 He's not talking about going back to work yet.
00:01:00.260 Feels like if it's another realm of pain,
00:01:02.120 his mornings are brutally painful and discouraging for him.
00:01:04.480 Later, much later in the day, he sometimes feels some relief.
00:01:08.720 The damage to him from the psychiatric medication from over six years ago
00:01:13.060 takes patients' time and loving attention.
00:01:15.360 Go a little bit lower, Rob.
00:01:17.760 It's been well documented.
00:01:19.140 His medical struggle with benzos,
00:01:22.680 which there's many different types of benzos that he openly talked about.
00:01:25.940 His family has previously drawn attention.
00:01:27.880 to the severe difficulties he experienced from the withdrawal.
00:01:30.940 So a lot of people are using medication today, a lot of them.
00:01:36.360 Michaela's posted multiple videos to see what's happening while she gives the updates.
00:01:42.260 And so whether it's Xanax, whether it's Klonopin, whether it's Valium,
00:01:46.840 whether it's a lorizopam, whether it's a lot of this stuff,
00:01:49.680 what have we learned from the side effects of this?
00:01:54.140 This is a public figure that we all follow.
00:01:56.680 billions and billions of views online what do we not know about it yet that we're starting to learn
00:02:01.840 these benzodiazepine medications commonly prescribed for anxiety over prescribed very
00:02:08.220 addictive and very habit forming they oftentimes as we're seeing here can semi-permanently change
00:02:14.400 the structure of the brain at the level of neurons they affect a neurotransmitter called
00:02:18.980 GABA GABAergic transmission in the brain and this is a it's generally an inhibitory neurotransmitter
00:02:24.140 And so the benzodiazepines make the ability of this inhibitory neurotransmitter more in the brain.
00:02:32.620 And so it's calming.
00:02:33.960 It's a similar mechanism to alcohol.
00:02:35.720 And if you know, alcohol is one of the things that you can die from the withdrawal.
00:02:38.980 There are very few things that you can die from withdrawal.
00:02:41.500 You know, somebody comes in, they're addicted to cocaine or they're addicted to meth.
00:02:45.440 They're not going to die when they withdraw.
00:02:47.180 When you stop taking benzodiazepines or alcohol, you can die from the withdrawals because of the way it changes your brain.
00:02:53.680 So what Jordan appears to be suffering from now, it's unclear to me why he originally started
00:02:58.520 using benzodiazepines in the first place, whether it was anxiety, but they're prescribed far too
00:03:04.700 commonly by physicians. They're just, you know, it's easy to get Xanax. It's easy to get Valium.
00:03:10.280 Xanax is very quick acting. It's very commonly abused. They're prescribed so commonly. And we're
00:03:15.780 back to why are so many people anxious? Why are so many people struggling with these issues?
00:03:21.300 Now, a very close cousin of these medications are things like Ambien, the sleep medications.
00:03:27.700 They're non-benzodiazepine, sedative hypnotics, but they're also habit-forming.
00:03:32.800 So when we're talking about sleep disturbance, which is a cousin of anxiety, we're giving
00:03:37.780 out Ambien to people easily, and then it's almost impossible to get off.
00:03:41.600 I have a good friend, a well-known woman in the podcast space, and she cannot get off
00:03:47.020 Ambien.
00:03:47.880 She's been on Ambien for years for sleep, and I'm thinking, this is not good for you.
00:03:51.300 it's not healthy we need detox centers to get people off this but people need to be very careful
00:03:55.980 before you go on anxiety medications a lot has come out recently also about ssris or other types
00:04:02.520 of antidepressants which can be snris or there's dopaminergic mechanisms for the antidepressants
00:04:09.540 but these medications are hard to get off did you see theo von on rogan recently saying i've been
00:04:14.340 on antidepressants ssris since i was 22 years old or something stop yes and he he's he wants to get
00:04:21.020 off but he has trouble getting off and they make him feel flat because that's what these medications
00:04:25.460 do they don't necessarily fix the problem with depression depression is not that's the clip right
00:04:31.280 there play this rob i've not seen this i i really like what theo has been saying lately about god
00:04:38.780 and relationship is that the clip right there i think there's a different one but it's from the
00:04:42.180 same episode oh yeah you can find it yeah so he said he's been on uh ssris let's just watch that
00:04:47.340 rob if you can put that i what do you think is going to happen you think we're going to be okay
00:04:53.200 i hope so of course i don't know do you think about it is this about us i can't believe we
00:04:58.340 went this is in it okay yeah yeah so we're one of the reasons i didn't practice psychiatry so just
00:05:05.200 so people understand everyone goes to the same medical school i got an md from the university
00:05:08.920 of arizona and then you choose i had the option to choose internal medicine surgery at the time
00:05:14.300 I was really interested in depression and anxiety and neuroinflammation connections between these
00:05:18.620 medications, these, these, um, pathologies. But I was so disillusioned by what I saw during my
00:05:23.820 four-year residency at the university of Washington in psychiatry that I didn't want to
00:05:27.280 practice because what happens is so quickly, we get patients on these medications, whether it's
00:05:33.680 a benzodiazepine for anxiety, whether it's an SSRI for quote depression in the clip, Theo says,
00:05:39.760 Joe says, why'd you get on it? He says, Oh, I think I had a bad breakup. You think you had
00:05:44.280 a bad breakup right which is probably not biological depression it's just situational
00:05:49.660 stress and somebody puts you on an ssri medication you remember what pill he said he was taking i
00:05:56.280 don't think he said what pill prozac is common right um there there's other ones um but then
00:06:02.320 people end up on it for a long time and it makes them feel flat depression is not the absence of
00:06:07.860 serotonin in the human body you can flood the synapses in the brain with serotonin and create
00:06:13.540 flat this might be the clip to get off of antidepressants completely man i want to feel
00:06:19.600 how i'm supposed to feel so i can have thoughts and actions that uh that like make me feel 0.97
00:06:28.760 connected to the world that shit makes you feel dead man so why did you take them in the first 0.93
00:06:32.820 place because i was in a bad relationship 20 years ago and i was having a tough day at school 0.99
00:06:39.200 and they fucking put they gave them to me and then i never got off really because when you get 0.93
00:06:44.120 off it's that i think we talked about this once it's hard yeah it makes you more depressed more 1.00
00:06:48.820 fucked up and you're all imbalanced and you're you know probably you're addicted i lost a friend 0.97
00:06:52.820 i lost a friend in 2005 because he couldn't get off of it may 2nd i lost a friend to my best friend 0.99
00:06:59.140 couldn't get off of it and one day uh uh we were we were at the restaurant shaky's in glendale
00:07:07.340 and he went in his car in his Mustang to get something out of the car.
00:07:10.460 He was about to take all these pills in his mouth.
00:07:12.120 I held it.
00:07:12.540 I took the bottles away from him.
00:07:13.700 He's like, Pat, I'm begging you, please, I got to take it.
00:07:15.720 You don't know how much pain I'm in right now.
00:07:17.760 We took him.
00:07:18.440 We put him into rehab.
00:07:19.720 He was there for 12 days, and then he got out.
00:07:22.420 He was good for a couple weeks, and then boom, one day I got the call,
00:07:25.300 and he woke up on top of a Bible in his bed and never woke up.
00:07:30.160 That was the last day.
00:07:30.980 So a lot of people are dealing with this,
00:07:33.340 and some of them are dealing with it privately, and no one knows about it.
00:07:35.940 At least Theo is dealing with it publicly, so he's going to get help.
00:07:39.040 And the thing about these medications is they can increase suicidality.
00:07:42.780 The very thing you're trying to circumvent with the medications,
00:07:47.320 when you mess with neurotransmitters in the brain, it's very powerful.
00:07:51.220 So do not take this lightly.
00:07:52.660 And so, again, let's go back.
00:07:54.160 What do I believe is causing depression in most people?
00:07:57.140 It's neuroinflammation.
00:07:59.060 Have you ever felt the way it feels when you have the flu or you have a sickness, right?
00:08:04.980 You sometimes feel irritable.
00:08:06.600 You can almost feel that your brain is inflamed.
00:08:08.400 For sure, heavy here. 0.80
00:08:09.180 Heavy in your brain.
00:08:10.460 For me, when I don't sleep well, if I'm stressed,
00:08:13.180 it feels like there's sandpaper around my brain.
00:08:15.340 I'm just irritable.
00:08:16.100 I'm not a good person.
00:08:17.200 And I think, I can't know for sure,
00:08:18.900 but I'm pretty sure that this is the way
00:08:20.660 that someone with profound depression
00:08:22.740 feels every single day of their life.
00:08:25.020 This is neuroinflammation.
00:08:26.680 And you can see that.
00:08:27.700 When we have a sickness, the flu, whatever,
00:08:30.140 the inflammatory cascade that happens in our human body
00:08:33.360 moves to the brain.
00:08:34.600 It crosses the blood-brain barrier.
00:08:36.340 So what I want people to understand is that depression is fixable,
00:08:39.580 just like so many of the things we've been talking about.
00:08:41.460 And again, broken record, it starts with the quality of the food you eat.
00:08:45.300 I have seen so many people reverse depression without medications
00:08:49.580 by returning to high-quality foods.
00:08:52.360 It's just this is the answer.
00:08:52.980 Jordan Peterson was eating steak.
00:08:54.660 Remember when he said, I only eat steak.
00:08:55.960 So he went to the only steak diet.
00:08:57.900 He was on the benzos from previously.
00:09:00.460 I think he had – so Jordan and the whole Peterson family is interesting.
00:09:04.180 they have a strong autoimmune predilection in the family.
00:09:08.420 So Jordan had some sort of autoimmune arthropathy.
00:09:10.800 Michaela had this.
00:09:12.060 And Jordan was the reason I originally started thinking about diet
00:09:15.820 and thought about the carnivore diet because it significantly helped him.
00:09:19.260 But I think he was on these benzodiazepines from what he was suffering from before the carnivore diet.
00:09:23.820 Do we know what it was, Rob?
00:09:28.040 That Jordan had?
00:09:28.980 Yeah, to get on benzodiazepines.
00:09:30.340 I don't know if he's told the story before.
00:09:31.680 I don't know if he has either.
00:09:32.740 Yeah, I don't know if he's told the story.
00:09:34.040 And I do know he went to Russia to be able to deal with it. 0.91
00:09:36.780 That was for the akathisia for the withdrawal. 0.91
00:09:39.500 That was part of the withdrawal.
00:09:41.000 So the clear thing that I want people to understand.
00:09:44.380 Severe debilitating anxiety.
00:09:45.340 The anxiety was overture by severe autoimmune reaction to food that caused intense physical symptoms,
00:09:51.660 including insomnia and sense of impending doom.
00:09:54.880 What does impending doom mean?
00:09:56.080 Like doom and gloom, you think everything's going to be bad?
00:09:58.060 Yeah, you think the sky is falling.
00:10:00.580 So this, my suspicion, he says he began 2016 to 2017.
00:10:04.440 I think Michaela got him on the carnivore diet to help this.
00:10:08.420 That I remember.
00:10:09.040 And it did help it, but then he had the long-term side effects from the benzene.
00:10:13.900 Where he says on the bottom, 2019, the dosage was increased in April of 2019 following a series of family crisis.
00:10:18.540 When old will be, his wife diagnosed with a rare and terminal form of cancer.
00:10:21.520 So he stayed on it.
00:10:22.640 And then he stayed on it.
00:10:23.940 Yeah.
00:10:24.360 So what's interesting is that, you know, Jordan's diet used to be not great.
00:10:27.680 He was eating the standard American diet.
00:10:29.100 He was having this psychiatric manifestation of a bad diet.
00:10:33.240 So we've talked about so many manifestations of poor diet in this podcast,
00:10:36.800 whether it's hormonal, erectile dysfunction, depression, obesity.
00:10:40.380 These things are all connected.
00:10:41.840 The quality of the food we eat, this, I feel like this is, you know,
00:10:45.740 I've been doing this work for probably six or seven years now, Pat.
00:10:48.100 And this is really the main message that I've come to believe
00:10:50.860 and that I want to try my best to get out there in the world,
00:10:53.880 that whatever you are suffering from,
00:10:55.320 you can fix this very lightly or improve it significantly by improving the quality of your
00:11:00.460 diet. And we started the podcast talking about GLPs. Great. They might be effective, but what
00:11:05.980 are you missing? You're not fixing your diet. You get on TRT too fast. You're not fixing your diet.
00:11:10.460 You got to fix the foods you're eating and what's actually causing depression, anxiety,
00:11:15.540 erectile dysfunction, testosterone, a job, obesity. You fix the root cause.
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00:11:24.280 health, recovering from chronic illness or autoimmune disease. I'm excited to connect
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