Valuetainment - August 06, 2021


Are Asians Smarter？ Critical Race Theory Explained


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Kenny Hsu is the author of the new book An Inconvenient Minority: The Attack on Asian-American Excellence and the Fight for Meritocracy. In this episode, he explains why he believes that Asian-Americans are being systematically discriminated against by Harvard University.

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00:00:00.000 Asian-Americans study twice as many hours as the average American.
00:00:03.640 It's impossible to control all of the circumstances in which you are
00:00:07.080 never discriminated against for something.
00:00:09.920 There is this notion that Asians are smarter than everybody else. 1.00
00:00:14.520 Actually, you are a racist. 0.99
00:00:15.880 Even though you don't think you are a racist, 0.99
00:00:17.700 you are a racist because you're participating in a racist structure.
00:00:21.240 I wasn't interested in Harvard. 0.98
00:00:22.960 If Harvard did not discriminate against Asian-Americans,
00:00:25.980 Asians would make up about 43% of Harvard's student body.
00:00:29.280 It doesn't matter if you check or uncheck the box Asian or not. 0.83
00:00:33.020 It doesn't matter. 0.87
00:00:33.660 Harvard's going to know what race you are because they believe that whites are the
00:00:37.360 privileged race in America.
00:00:39.520 They're the powerful race.
00:00:40.940 Can we provide enough opportunity for the people who are less privileged?
00:00:48.440 My guest today is very comfortable pushing the envelope.
00:00:51.560 He's also the author of a book called An Inconvenient Minority,
00:00:54.400 The Attack on Asian-American Excellence and the Fight for Meritocracy. 0.85
00:01:00.600 Kenny Hsu, thank you so much for being on that attainment.
00:01:03.180 Thank you so much, Patrick.
00:01:04.320 I appreciate it.
00:01:05.480 So listen, I got to tell you, your position and story is kind of confusing some people
00:01:11.880 because it's supposed to be the other way around, yet you're challenging the envelope
00:01:15.940 with the fact that Harvard is not necessarily accepting as many Asian students because their
00:01:23.300 grades are way too good and they're trying to, you know, balance themselves out so they
00:01:28.280 can take a little bit of everybody and not necessarily the best students, but as long
00:01:31.680 as they fit the criteria, they're open to.
00:01:34.280 So I'm actually curious to go into this with you here, but prior to actually getting into
00:01:38.280 some of your positions, do you mind taking a second here and sharing your background with
00:01:42.320 the audience?
00:01:44.140 I'm second generation.
00:01:45.860 I was born in America.
00:01:47.240 I was born in Maryland.
00:01:48.540 My parents are Chinese immigrants.
00:01:50.880 My dad was an entrepreneur, started his own small business.
00:01:54.760 It was doing well, then the recession hit, so we had to fold it.
00:01:59.080 Worked for corporate a little bit, but I was always raised valuing hard work.
00:02:05.140 And above all, my dad always told me, don't be lazy.
00:02:07.360 And if you choose something, whatever you choose to do, Kenny, do your best, try your
00:02:12.920 best, and be the best.
00:02:15.120 So I decided, I went to college.
00:02:19.060 I was a math major, but I was always a writer.
00:02:22.980 I always loved writing.
00:02:24.180 I wrote fiction when I was little.
00:02:26.840 And this Harvard case got into the national press.
00:02:31.180 And I knew this from my own experience at Harvard was obviously discriminating against
00:02:35.120 Asian Americans, but I was mad about it, but I didn't think I would write a book about
00:02:40.020 it until I saw that this ideology is spreading throughout the entire rest of the country and
00:02:45.980 every equity program, every college, now even in businesses, people are coming up with
00:02:54.500 diversity, equity, and inclusion.
00:02:56.900 And all I see is a penalization of the meritocratic spirit of this country that made it great.
00:03:01.700 So I had to write a book about it, and it just came out July 13th, and it's been doing really
00:03:07.060 great.
00:03:08.000 And so I'm really excited to talk about that story in my book.
00:03:10.960 Yeah.
00:03:11.180 So why do you think that has happened?
00:03:12.780 What's the motive behind it?
00:03:15.240 Why Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans?
00:03:18.600 Because Harvard, they really want a racially, specifically a racially diverse class.
00:03:26.480 So they see Asians as overrepresented, right?
00:03:29.260 Because if Harvard did not discriminate against Asian Americans, Asians would make up about 1.00
00:03:34.000 43% of Harvard's student body based on merit alone, based on grades, test scores.
00:03:39.140 So what they do is that they artificially lower that to about half, Asian Americans only to
00:03:44.660 less than half.
00:03:45.460 Asian Americans make about 20% of Harvard's student body because Harvard wants to admit more
00:03:52.600 people of diverse races, and they think it makes them more virtuous.
00:03:55.340 Okay, so let's go through this.
00:03:59.680 So 43% would be the student body Asians if it was based on merit, but it's not.
00:04:06.520 It's currently 20%.
00:04:07.740 And if we look at the, based on national population, I think Asians make up 5.9% of America, give
00:04:15.720 or take.
00:04:16.320 Blacks are 13.4%. 0.98
00:04:17.860 Hispanics are about 18 and a half.
00:04:19.380 Then you got the whites who are the non-Hispanic whites are a little over 60%.
00:04:24.160 Then you got a small percentage of Middle Easterns and others like myself that make up
00:04:28.960 the rest of the percentage, right?
00:04:30.840 So why is it?
00:04:32.080 Why is it?
00:04:32.780 Help me understand this part.
00:04:34.600 Why is it that the population is only 5.9% Asian, yet based on the criteria, 43% would be
00:04:44.120 in Harvard.
00:04:44.740 That's 5.9% to 43%.
00:04:47.840 Why is that?
00:04:48.640 What are the Asian families doing differently than the rest of us?
00:04:52.500 They are teaching values that beget a good educational excellence.
00:04:57.540 So Asian Americans study twice as many hours as the average American, right? 0.87
00:05:02.320 They study about 15 hours a week.
00:05:04.420 The average American studies about seven.
00:05:06.300 Asian Americans tend to prioritize academic excellence because they have to, because you 1.00
00:05:16.440 come into this country and you don't have generational wealth.
00:05:19.160 You don't have privilege.
00:05:20.200 You don't have social connections.
00:05:21.780 How are you going to move up in society?
00:05:23.260 How are you going to provide a better future for your kids?
00:05:26.200 Well, it has to be through education because that's the great lever forward in Asian American 0.88
00:05:30.320 culture.
00:05:30.880 They really prioritize the valuing of education, especially Chinese and Chinese-centered cultures.
00:05:40.160 It's pretty much baked into the Confucian system in some way, the ancient old tradition.
00:05:47.600 Um, and, uh, and as a result, you know, and the other thing that Asians do is that they have better 1.00
00:05:54.820 two parent family structures that allow them to provide a conducive environment for academic
00:05:59.840 excellence, uh, because you can have a, you know, uh, uh, you don't, your, your parent can pay more
00:06:06.240 attention to the child and that's very much valued in the culture.
00:06:09.060 So that's what begets the academic excellence part.
00:06:12.580 Got it.
00:06:13.180 So when I was in, uh, when I was in high school and we would have friends who were Asian and,
00:06:18.520 you know, you know, uh, whatever they may be, the students, Middle Eastern students were
00:06:23.680 also doing very good in school because in Iran, it's also, when you come to America, you know,
00:06:27.620 they value education a lot.
00:06:29.360 And to them math, some of the math we would take in that they teach here in seventh grade,
00:06:34.740 we would learn in fourth grade.
00:06:35.920 It was always say, I already know this stuff.
00:06:37.500 I learned this stuff years ago.
00:06:38.480 This is easy stuff.
00:06:39.320 Why are we doing this?
00:06:40.120 I've done this for many, many years.
00:06:41.300 But the question I'm asking you, if we can go a little bit deeper, so somebody would
00:06:46.220 say, well, look at that guy.
00:06:47.040 That guy's the curve of the class.
00:06:48.280 He's at 98% and we got to beat him because he's the hundred percent of the class.
00:06:51.600 Oh, because he's Asians, you know, they're, they got genetics. 1.00
00:06:54.300 They, they have the certain genes and you know, they're smarter than everybody else.
00:06:57.860 So there is this notion that Asians are smarter than everybody else, but we don't hear about
00:07:04.700 the 15 hours of studying per week, which is twice as much as everybody else.
00:07:09.060 So you said the dual family, husband and wife, you know, mom and dad stayed together there.
00:07:14.400 Great.
00:07:14.840 What other values did you learn from your dad?
00:07:17.020 I know you gave a couple of them to us here.
00:07:18.980 You know, don't be lazy, do your best, whatever you're doing, give your best, et cetera, et
00:07:22.740 cetera.
00:07:23.360 What standards and expectation was it to be in the Shu family?
00:07:26.840 What were some of the standards and expectations?
00:07:29.120 Yeah.
00:07:29.400 How do you, yeah.
00:07:30.140 Um, well, how do you get to be the smartest in the class, right?
00:07:33.700 You, you have to, you know, my dad and my mom, and for many Chinese American, Korean American,
00:07:41.720 Vietnamese American families, a lot of this is, a lot of this is very similar.
00:07:46.500 Um, you, you have a, you have a certain role in the family, right?
00:07:50.300 Your role is, you know, and I talk about this in my book and inconvenient minority, your role 0.99
00:07:55.260 is you need to be academically excellent.
00:07:56.740 You know, you need to, to study hard and one of this, I'll tell you, I'll give you the
00:08:01.080 example of math.
00:08:02.520 Okay.
00:08:02.880 So you, you're given a problem set or a problem sheet, you know, at an early age, and maybe
00:08:08.340 I need to memorize a multiplication table and you do problems, um, in, in our family,
00:08:13.640 you know, if you didn't do it right, um, nobody's going to punish you.
00:08:17.680 Okay.
00:08:18.060 Or anything like that, but you just got to keep doing it until you get it right.
00:08:21.600 You know, you got to keep doing until you get it right.
00:08:23.460 You got to practice, you got to push forward.
00:08:25.960 Um, Asian Americans really believe that math is just a sport of, it's just a sport of 1.00
00:08:32.440 practice and practice and continuing to do things over and over again.
00:08:36.780 It's math is not really that complicated.
00:08:38.980 You know, it's funny that people like to say, oh, I'm not a math person or anything like
00:08:43.300 that.
00:08:43.740 Asian Americans don't really believe that, you know, you, you can't, it doesn't matter 1.00
00:08:47.600 if you're not a math person, you can do math and you can achieve at a high level.
00:08:51.180 My inherent interest wasn't even in math.
00:08:54.140 My inherent interest was in writing.
00:08:55.720 I was a writer.
00:08:56.760 I was uniquely talented at writing.
00:08:58.840 And yet I was a math major in college because I was pushed from an early age to just work
00:09:05.440 hard on problems, think creatively, think abstractly.
00:09:08.580 Um, and to most of all, if I get stuck to finish it, to, to get unstuck, to do, to do
00:09:14.800 the best I can, uh, to get it done.
00:09:17.500 How do they hold you accountable?
00:09:18.860 Was it, was one of the, did one of your parents, was it involved in it?
00:09:22.560 Was it something where, Hey, here, let's do the math problem together or go figure it
00:09:26.180 out on your own and then come and bring the homework to me.
00:09:28.040 What, what style is the accountability with parents?
00:09:30.840 Well, I mean, it's different styles.
00:09:32.860 Um, my family, you know, was, was more hands-off for me.
00:09:37.120 I did a lot of problem sets.
00:09:38.820 I did, honestly, I did a lot of, I did a lot of just learning from textbooks.
00:09:42.120 I just studied textbooks.
00:09:43.580 I would, I would do it for, for an hour.
00:09:46.240 It's like the resources are all here.
00:09:48.820 They're all there.
00:09:49.980 You know, you can learn from textbooks and textbooks can teach you a lot.
00:09:53.060 If you actually put your nose in the textbook and actually try to learn from it.
00:09:57.240 I saw a statistic in China that said the average parents spend, spends, uh, 18% of their income
00:10:03.460 on kids after school program, not even private schooling or education, just after school program.
00:10:09.600 What, what other ways did you have your parents invest into you to learn?
00:10:14.480 Did they invest into tutors?
00:10:16.080 Was there additional courses you took?
00:10:18.100 What, what other ways did they invest into you becoming a better student?
00:10:21.580 There are some enrichment.
00:10:23.420 Um, I don't think the enrichment, the, the afterschool, like I did, I did some like after
00:10:28.000 school camps.
00:10:29.040 A lot of those camps are just fun, fun camps.
00:10:31.720 Got it.
00:10:32.180 Um, I don't think that those are the primary cause of, of, of what drove me to get better
00:10:36.740 at math.
00:10:37.200 I really think it was just putting my nose in a textbook and learning from that.
00:10:42.060 What, what was the currency in your house that got your mom and dad to say yes to you?
00:10:47.900 I had to be assertive.
00:10:49.300 I had to be assertive.
00:10:50.300 My mom and dad were a little bit different than, than a, than a simple traditional Chinese
00:10:54.680 American parent, because my dad was, you know, wanted to assimilate into this country and
00:11:00.300 in this country, you know, it's a quarterback country.
00:11:02.780 You have to be assertive.
00:11:03.760 You have to assert yourself.
00:11:05.380 So, uh, I did have to ask for what I wanted and I had to articulate it and I had to communicate
00:11:10.720 it.
00:11:11.100 So that made me better as a communicator.
00:11:13.900 Yeah.
00:11:14.260 So, you know, the whole book, uh, what is it?
00:11:15.960 Tiger, uh, uh, uh, uh, the battle hymn of the tiger mother.
00:11:19.720 I don't know what was the name of that book.
00:11:21.960 Yeah.
00:11:22.780 Yeah.
00:11:22.980 That went viral and, you know, she got both criticism and she got a lot of, uh, uh, from
00:11:28.620 one side, it's like, yeah, that's pretty intense to have parents like that.
00:11:31.000 And the other side is way that's a, you know, new, like a sweatshop.
00:11:34.580 You're working your tail off.
00:11:35.680 You're expected to do so much.
00:11:36.920 Oh my God, who wants to have, you know?
00:11:38.760 So what do you say to the criticism of an extremely high demanding discipline expectation
00:11:45.320 type of an environment to raise your kids where nowadays you'll read many articles saying
00:11:49.700 it's better to not put that kind of expectation on your kids.
00:11:52.280 On how they perform because it can produce a high level of anxiety and panic attack on
00:11:57.620 your kids.
00:11:58.560 It's not the right way to do it.
00:11:59.920 What do you say to that?
00:12:00.920 Well, first of all, the, the idea that today's comfort parenting, uh, today's comfort parenting
00:12:06.780 is a modern liberal society, uh, practice.
00:12:10.200 It's not, it's not practiced by all cultures.
00:12:12.740 You know, the idea that you should just, you know, train your kid to, you know, be special
00:12:17.940 and he's special and everything like that.
00:12:19.660 I don't think most parents, uh, believe that in the 17th century, when you were a substances
00:12:24.140 farmer, right?
00:12:25.300 You have kids who they can help you so they can work on the farm so they can help you milk
00:12:30.060 the cows, um, or help you with your trade.
00:12:33.020 Um, we were in a very rich society and rich society permits indulgent parenting.
00:12:39.860 Um, so my parents parented out of scarcity, not indulgence.
00:12:44.180 Um, and a lot of, that's what a lot of Asian parents do. 0.90
00:12:46.820 They, they parent out of the mindset that there are scarce resources in the world and they don't
00:12:52.340 really have time to waste.
00:12:53.620 And one of those resources is time.
00:12:57.300 So is the idea of parenting on, on the Asian side.
00:13:01.620 And again, keep in mind, it's very similar to middle Eastern.
00:13:04.400 Like in my family, my mom, God forbid found out how much money I have and what my net worth
00:13:10.600 is.
00:13:11.200 And she says, somebody told me you're worth this much money.
00:13:13.740 I said, mom, it's lies.
00:13:14.900 Why do you believe this stuff?
00:13:16.020 You know, I'm just a regular guy and she'll see, and she'll come and see the businesses
00:13:20.140 we built.
00:13:20.880 And, oh my gosh, this is all the business.
00:13:22.780 And then she'll say, how come you don't have a four-year degree?
00:13:26.060 When are you going to get a bachelor's degree?
00:13:27.860 You know, so in the middle Eastern culture, either a doctor, a lawyer, or an engineer,
00:13:31.520 you do that.
00:13:32.480 Oh yeah.
00:13:32.960 You made it to the top, right?
00:13:34.180 You've done above and beyond, but how do parents in the Asian community view the role
00:13:40.240 they play for their kids?
00:13:41.880 And is there anything of the kids on the culture that you owe back to your parents?
00:13:47.480 Or is the culture more, my goal is to raise you and then you go live your life and do
00:13:51.720 whatever you do.
00:13:52.280 Is there anything that I get back from my kids when they become adults, independent
00:13:56.860 winning?
00:13:57.220 Okay, so they really viewed their role as helping their kids to, not helping their kids, but
00:14:07.820 really pushing their kids to have value in this world, to do something that adds significant
00:14:15.760 value.
00:14:16.320 And that leads to respectability, which is why you see a lot of Asian parents pushing 1.00
00:14:21.260 their kids into these respectable careers.
00:14:24.220 Doctors, engineers, lawyers, everything like that.
00:14:26.920 Those are all respectable.
00:14:28.420 Those have degrees.
00:14:29.640 Those have credence.
00:14:31.020 And the reason why they do that is because, you know, they come here, they have no status.
00:14:39.180 They have to earn their way up, you know?
00:14:41.220 And what they crave for their child is for their child to have a better future than them.
00:14:47.160 And future and professional careers are aligned to them with a better future because it's
00:14:52.880 respectable, it's high status, it's everything like that.
00:14:55.500 So they will pour their hearts into their child.
00:14:59.380 They will pour everything they have in their child.
00:15:02.260 You have these children in New York City, so you have these parents in New York City who
00:15:07.460 are literally like these Chinese parents in New York City who literally don't even speak
00:15:11.320 English, who maybe are working in a restaurant, maybe own their own place, probably making 1.00
00:15:15.820 less than, you know, $30,000 a year.
00:15:19.220 And every penny that they have that they save, they put in their child's test prep.
00:15:24.300 They put in their child's textbooks.
00:15:26.660 You know, they try to do some enrichment for their kid.
00:15:29.220 And that produces results.
00:15:30.840 Their kids go up to go into the gifted and talented programs in New York City.
00:15:36.020 They graduate from Stuyvesant Bronx Science High School, where 90% of the kids who are
00:15:40.920 on free and reduced lunch in those high schools are Asian.
00:15:43.980 So that's the part where I was going when you said there's a little bit of enrichment,
00:15:47.960 you know, that money the mother is saving to help in the test prep, to help them get better
00:15:52.120 scores on the SATs or whatever, maybe that's pretty impressive to hear that.
00:15:56.080 By the way, I know you did not go to Harvard.
00:15:58.380 You graduated from Davidson College, magna cum laude is what you graduated in, majoring
00:16:02.340 in mathematics and minoring in philosophy.
00:16:04.760 What was your GPA in high school?
00:16:06.520 How well did you do in high school?
00:16:08.160 Oh, I was a, well, I mean, I cheated a little bit because I had a, I took a bunch of AP
00:16:13.060 classes, which I'm not sure if you consider cheating, but it's four point, it was like
00:16:17.060 4.4 something out of five.
00:16:19.360 So at 4.4 out of five, did you apply to go to Harvard or no?
00:16:26.240 No, I never applied to go to Harvard.
00:16:27.960 I actually, I applied to go to Princeton and then I think I applied to go to UPenn Wharton.
00:16:34.000 I think those are the two Ivy leagues that I applied to, but I wasn't interested in going
00:16:37.320 to Harvard.
00:16:38.200 What?
00:16:38.900 You were not interested in Harvard?
00:16:40.480 I wasn't interested in Harvard.
00:16:42.420 No.
00:16:42.560 Why not?
00:16:43.660 Well, I knew that they won.
00:16:44.960 I knew that they were discriminating against Asians.
00:16:47.020 So that there was kind of a moral principle thing there.
00:16:49.940 But then I think there was also kind of, uh, I, I, I didn't like, I didn't like the culture
00:16:57.220 when I toured there and everything like that.
00:16:59.120 I, I never wanted to apply to all seven Ivy league colleges.
00:17:02.260 That was never my intention.
00:17:03.960 Got it.
00:17:04.440 So you didn't like the culture, but you did go and take a look at the campus to see if
00:17:08.320 you were going to like it or not.
00:17:09.300 And then you applied to Princeton.
00:17:10.380 Now, would you say Princeton runs a similar kind of a philosophy as Harvard to make sure
00:17:15.080 they please every ethnicity as they're accepting students there or Princeton goes on a different
00:17:19.620 philosophy?
00:17:20.600 No, it's the same philosophy.
00:17:21.660 The Ivy leagues have the same philosophy.
00:17:23.280 There's, there's this graph in my book and inconvenient minority.
00:17:26.940 It has, it has Asian American percentage as a percentage of student body for all seven
00:17:32.680 Ivy leagues.
00:17:33.340 And what happens is there's like an initial spike in the eighties.
00:17:36.260 And then by the nineties, it goes down and, and, and every single Ivy league school Asians 1.00
00:17:42.520 are between like 15 and 18% of the student body, every single one.
00:17:47.120 And then you see Caltech, which doesn't practice discrimination against Asian Americans and their
00:17:51.960 Asian population goes from like 10% to like 40%.
00:17:55.860 You gotta be kidding me.
00:17:57.320 No, I'm not kidding you.
00:17:58.600 This is, this graph is in the book.
00:18:00.000 So every Ivy league has the same ratio of 15 to 18 Catholics got 40%.
00:18:07.160 Yeah.
00:18:08.060 How much criticism does Caltech get?
00:18:12.080 Uh, for not practicing discrimination against Asian Americans.
00:18:16.360 Yeah.
00:18:16.540 How much credit, like how, who is, is anybody targeting Caltech's approach and calling them,
00:18:23.440 you know, many different words that nowadays are used to, you know, defame the character
00:18:28.340 of that university.
00:18:29.180 No one's, uh, really targeting Caltech right now because the reputation is so excellent.
00:18:35.380 You know, they're, they're, they're, their school is like a sixth, the size of MIT, but
00:18:39.560 they, they're number five in the world in terms of research papers produced in the sciences.
00:18:44.180 And MIT is like number two.
00:18:47.040 Yeah.
00:18:47.540 Is IIT number one?
00:18:48.940 Who's, who's number one?
00:18:49.960 Is the India universe number one?
00:18:51.560 Okay.
00:18:52.120 So MIT is number two.
00:18:53.240 Caltech, as you said, Caltech is one sixth, the size of MIT, yet they're sixth in research
00:18:58.820 papers, fifth, fifth.
00:19:01.040 And they've gone up, they've gone up from 10 in the past 10 years.
00:19:04.860 So, so from all the research that you've done, what else have you learned?
00:19:08.640 Because, you know, if, if we, if we truly want, I like one of the things you talked about
00:19:12.640 in your book, if we truly want to, you know, follow the percentage that America is, which
00:19:18.940 is 60% Caucasian, you know, 13 and a half percent African American, you got whatever the
00:19:24.160 other percentages are.
00:19:25.900 The NBA should have a lot more Hispanics in there. 1.00
00:19:29.220 They should.
00:19:30.280 And the NBA, I'm surprised.
00:19:32.180 A lot more Asians.
00:19:32.980 Yeah.
00:19:33.260 You should have a lot more Asians in there. 0.95
00:19:34.940 Why do you think the NBA lacks so, you know, so many Asian players?
00:19:39.700 They get very good grades.
00:19:41.120 Why wouldn't NBA focus on recruiting more Asian basketball players?
00:19:44.020 Because it's a difference.
00:19:45.040 Well, because the NBA is a meritocracy and that's what, by the way, produces the best product.
00:19:50.500 When you have a, when you have a competition, it's a true meritocracy.
00:19:54.220 You get, you get the best product.
00:19:55.840 I don't think anybody would want the NBA to artificially reach, reach for more Asians 1.00
00:20:00.820 when the Asians don't deserve to be on the playing field. 1.00
00:20:03.860 Let me get this straight.
00:20:04.720 You're not offended that the NBA has no interest in recruiting you.
00:20:08.920 No.
00:20:10.400 That doesn't offend you that they don't come and target you to make that, make you their 0.53
00:20:14.340 point guard.
00:20:15.400 No, because I'm self-confident enough that I know that I'm competent enough that if I was
00:20:20.040 treated on the basis of merit, obviously I'm not going to get the athletic, I'm not going
00:20:25.380 to be a professional athlete, but I know that I'm competent enough that, you know, there
00:20:29.900 are other opportunities available for me.
00:20:32.160 Now, if we use the model that Ivy Leagues use, would the Ivy Leagues call the NBA racist
00:20:39.140 for not being diverse enough?
00:20:41.580 No, because the Ivy Leagues have a narrow definition of racism.
00:20:45.260 In order for it to be racist, it has to be power plus privilege.
00:20:49.960 And so they define power as white power.
00:20:52.920 So if there's too many whites, it's racist. 0.96
00:20:55.340 But if there are too many black Americans, it's fine. 1.00
00:20:58.100 Why is that?
00:20:58.960 I'm curious.
00:20:59.760 Because they believe that whites are the privileged race in America.
00:21:04.000 They're the powerful race.
00:21:05.960 So it's only racist if it's the powerful who are oppressing the powerless.
00:21:10.220 According to who they are, the privileged race?
00:21:13.980 According to critical race theorists.
00:21:16.520 According to, you know, critical race theory started at Harvard Law School in the 70s and
00:21:21.840 80s.
00:21:22.800 Yeah.
00:21:23.480 Can you tell us about the history of that?
00:21:25.160 And obviously, we've had the others on that have spoken about that word.
00:21:29.000 This is kind of a, they're indoctrinating also in the military.
00:21:32.600 I had the former Space Force commander who got fired from his position for talking about
00:21:37.560 these things, but elaborate a little bit more when you say, you know, CRT started in the
00:21:41.700 70s with Harvard.
00:21:42.900 Well, in the 70s, Derek Bell, who's a Harvard law professor, was the first black professor
00:21:47.780 at Harvard.
00:21:48.620 He created a department called critical legal studies.
00:21:51.420 The purpose of critical legal studies was to investigate the way that race still plays
00:22:00.740 a part in so-called colorblind law is what he called it.
00:22:03.660 So he's trying to sort of, to show that our laws are still racist.
00:22:09.040 That's what he was, that's what he was trying to do.
00:22:11.380 And then he had a bunch of students who came in, Kimberly Crenshaw, Mary Matsuda, Roberto Unger.
00:22:18.600 They developed a separate theory under him called critical race theory, which is, which
00:22:25.480 basically asserts that society in America has a privilege, has privileged races and oppressed
00:22:31.100 races, and our laws today still privilege the privileged races. 0.99
00:22:36.060 So you don't, you don't think that some of the laws in the 60s were a bit racist?
00:22:42.780 No, no, no.
00:22:43.440 The laws in the 60s were definitely, okay, were definitely racist.
00:22:46.460 But here's what a critical legal studies person would say.
00:22:50.400 He would say, he would say the civil rights, for example, the Civil Rights Act of 1965 says
00:22:56.760 the state will not discriminate on the basis of race, ethnicity, color, skin, national origin,
00:23:02.660 anything like that.
00:23:03.360 A critical legal studies person would look at that law and he would say, that law is still
00:23:09.300 racist.
00:23:09.860 Because that law, who, because that, what that law does is it's, it's, it's, it's saying
00:23:20.820 that even, even, even, even though it says that the state should not discriminate, what
00:23:27.580 it's doing is it's reifying the current structure of America, where whites are still at the top 0.95
00:23:32.400 and blacks are still at the bottom.
00:23:33.780 So he, that law is, is kind of, it's a, he based, it's a neutral law, but it's not really
00:23:38.980 a neutral law because it's still reifying the current power structure.
00:23:43.640 Got it.
00:23:44.260 So, you know, uh, today I had a guest on last week, comedian Moz, and he says, well, you
00:23:49.940 know, I had, I was having a conversation with a friend of mine talking about what's wrong
00:23:52.660 with CRT.
00:23:53.280 What's wrong with teaching CRT in school?
00:23:55.220 You know, we don't teach the history of racism in school.
00:23:58.920 We should teach the history of racism because it's not being taught right now.
00:24:02.180 And why are so many people worried about this?
00:24:06.780 What's your biggest concern with CRT being taught in school today?
00:24:12.140 Uh, it's that it's mental hijacking you have.
00:24:15.600 So you have, when you teach critical race theory, you're basically telling a person to second
00:24:20.660 guess himself.
00:24:21.820 Uh, so if you're a white person, your default is I'm not a racist and you aren't a racist, 0.94
00:24:27.900 but a critical racist race theorist would say, actually, you are a racist, even though you 0.56
00:24:32.840 don't think you are a racist, you are a racist because you're participating in a racist structure.
00:24:37.640 And that the whole idea of critical race theory is to get the white person to admit that he
00:24:42.360 is a racist. 0.88
00:24:43.360 Once the white person admits that he's a racist, critical race theorists have all the power 0.87
00:24:47.740 over that person.
00:24:48.600 They can get them to do anything that they want.
00:24:50.340 You know, for equity, anti-racism, you got to pay reparations, everything like that.
00:24:56.280 But the, but the central premise, the first concession that critical race theorists are
00:25:00.760 always going to make a person say is that he is a racist.
00:25:05.160 And, and that, that is a very, very damaging moral philosophy, because if you are trying to
00:25:11.060 put all of your effort into convincing somebody that he's a racist, even though he's not a racist,
00:25:16.900 um, you're, you're going to spend a lot of, a lot of energy, um, basically deflating that person's
00:25:23.500 self-confidence and destroying their, their belief in their moral goodness in themselves.
00:25:27.420 Do you think bad ideas can permanently win?
00:25:31.540 Permanently?
00:25:32.440 Yeah.
00:25:33.880 No.
00:25:35.280 Tell me why.
00:25:36.200 I, because, well, because there's, because we have a cycle of history.
00:25:40.400 Um, there's a, there's a great quote.
00:25:42.760 Uh, I forget who said it, but he said, um, hard times make strong men, strong men make
00:25:52.120 good times.
00:25:52.920 Good times make weak men, weak men make hard times.
00:25:57.280 It's a cycle of history, right?
00:25:59.680 And, and right now we're in good times, but we're producing weak men.
00:26:03.600 And the critical race theory is one of those theories that is producing weak men, because
00:26:08.940 it is getting a person to second guess, destroys self-confidence, destroys ego.
00:26:13.880 That's the whole point of a critical race. 0.83
00:26:15.240 So let's just say this continues.
00:26:16.700 Let's just say this continues and this prophecy goes.
00:26:19.340 Okay.
00:26:20.080 Give me the sequence.
00:26:21.300 First comes the CRT, the white man agrees. 0.85
00:26:24.040 They are what comes next.
00:26:25.320 And then what happens at the end?
00:26:26.620 If we know hard times produce tough leaders, tough leaders produce good times.
00:26:30.900 Good times produce weak leaders, weak leaders produce tough times.
00:26:34.160 If we know that's the formula, how does this go?
00:26:37.040 Walk through, walk us through the sequencing and how it ends.
00:26:39.860 Okay.
00:26:40.020 Well, somebody told me a, a, a conservative scholar, a very famous conservative scholar
00:26:46.120 once told me that critical race theories objection objective, obviously they want to destroy 0.98
00:26:52.100 white people, but after that, they want to destroy black men because the reason why they 1.00
00:26:57.280 want to destroy black men is because black men still subscribe to this. 1.00
00:27:00.900 You know, sort of masculinity ideal, um, that prevents that, um, and this individualism, 0.99
00:27:07.960 this sort of rugged individualism that critical race theorists hate.
00:27:11.660 So they're, they're, they're not Kate.
00:27:13.620 They don't want to live with, um, with white people, but then after that they do, they want 0.99
00:27:17.600 to destroy the whole concept of an individual centered masculinity in itself.
00:27:22.960 And, uh, and, and that's, that's what I think is going to happen.
00:27:26.360 You know, once they go after the whites, once they successfully convince whites that they're 0.96
00:27:30.280 racist, they're going to go after the truly individual, individualistic, free spirited 0.95
00:27:34.900 black men in this country. 0.94
00:27:36.560 And they're going to convince them that they are perpetuating something awful. 0.99
00:27:40.260 Why though?
00:27:40.780 What's the outcome?
00:27:41.620 What's the ultimate outcome?
00:27:43.000 Say they get everything they want.
00:27:44.700 What's the ultimate outcome?
00:27:45.700 The ultimate outcome is collectivization under identity politics, where the, where the winners
00:27:51.580 are the people who, who claim that they represent the so-called identity group.
00:27:56.700 So if you're the, what we're, what we're, what we're going to, what we're going to in our
00:28:02.380 culture right now, we're going from a culture where merit advances people and merit is rewarded
00:28:08.240 towards a culture where victimhood is rewarded, where self-victimhood is rewarded.
00:28:14.980 So if you are, um, the people who will win in this, in a critical race theory dominated
00:28:20.320 society are the people, uh, like Kimberly Crenshaw, the critical race theorists who claim
00:28:26.400 I stand for black people and who are, and I, I stand for Asian people.
00:28:32.600 You know, I am the leader of this, of this Asian related group.
00:28:36.020 Give me, give my nonprofit the money.
00:28:38.580 And you see this already after stop Asian hate happened after stop Asian hate happened,
00:28:43.600 billions of dollars went to so-called nonprofits that advocated for Asian American causes, but
00:28:51.400 they're, they did not, those Asian American causes did not go to actual Asian American
00:28:55.700 communities.
00:28:56.240 They went to the leaders, they fatten themselves, their paychecks.
00:28:59.960 Um, and, and that's, what's happening in our culture.
00:29:02.620 You ever been discriminated?
00:29:04.000 You ever felt it?
00:29:05.660 Like if, if, like, if I tell you mine, you know, in the Armenian community, it's your,
00:29:10.100 you call the foe or a fob, you know, fresh off the boat or, you know, a bunch of these
00:29:14.920 things that I've been called.
00:29:15.800 I was in the army.
00:29:16.860 I told my drill sergeant, he says, what's your first name?
00:29:19.960 Private.
00:29:20.320 I said, Patrick, he says, you don't like, look like a Patrick.
00:29:23.060 You look like a Mohammed. 1.00
00:29:24.740 And I'm like, oh, okay, cool.
00:29:26.860 Yeah.
00:29:26.960 I've been called that before, but I'm a Patrick, you know?
00:29:28.820 So did they change your name?
00:29:30.240 I've had certain things that I've experienced, but to me, it's, you know, it was very normal
00:29:35.660 when I was coming up with that.
00:29:37.020 It's very normal for somebody to call you foe when you're coming up.
00:29:40.140 Did you experience discrimination yourself?
00:29:42.300 Okay.
00:29:43.240 We, this is, this is another point of my book and also with my larger advocacy, we're
00:29:48.420 all discriminated against.
00:29:49.860 We're always just, people are always discriminated.
00:29:53.120 Okay.
00:29:53.960 When you're going to a cashier or a cash register and you're going to aisle, either aisle seven
00:30:00.060 or aisle eight, and one cash register is, you know, a grumpy looking person who just
00:30:08.080 got a bad hair day.
00:30:09.360 And another cash register is an attractive woman. 1.00
00:30:11.440 You know, who are you going to go to or who are you more likely to go?
00:30:14.320 You're always discriminating.
00:30:15.780 So that's the thing about our culture.
00:30:19.020 Like I was discriminated against in, in the book for goodness sakes, in the, in the book
00:30:25.120 publishing process, because, you know, I wasn't a household name, but I was always also discriminated
00:30:31.600 for like my Asian-ness helped me in getting the contract for my book as well.
00:30:36.760 It's impossible to control all of the circumstances in which you are never discriminated.
00:30:41.440 discriminated against for something.
00:30:43.780 And so this is, this is part of the, the advocacy that I'm showing is that we're always
00:30:48.540 discriminating.
00:30:50.000 But what we can do is we can try to treat people more meritocratically.
00:30:54.940 You know, some people may disagree with you and they may say the grumpy old man will make
00:30:59.760 for a better conversation and a better story than the drag.
00:31:02.240 But we know which one you're going to go to, but let's go back to that.
00:31:04.980 So I asked you a question about the NBA and you said, listen, it's because they're going
00:31:08.380 to go after, you know, whatever the, you know, meritocracy, you got to get the guy that's
00:31:13.820 going to outperform the other one.
00:31:15.120 And, you know, so a guy like me who's six, five with a six inch vertical leap is probably
00:31:19.900 not a good, uh, you know, uh, quality of guy to be in the NBA, but go to NHL.
00:31:24.340 If you go to the NHL, what percent of an NBA, I think it's 75, 76% African-American NHL is
00:31:31.380 more like 95% Caucasian.
00:31:34.440 How come the CRT community or the Harvard community cannot go?
00:31:39.340 How come you don't hear any pushback with NHL?
00:31:43.080 Well, I'm hearing a bit of pushback.
00:31:44.600 I read in a Washington, recent Washington post article, um, you know, complained about the
00:31:49.540 whiteness of the NHL players, no doubt, but I think, you know, sports fans.
00:31:54.340 Largely respect meritocracy.
00:31:55.960 I think this is like why the reason why, and the NHL hasn't been the subject of as huge
00:32:01.220 of a pushback as say, um, you know, the political sphere is because we largely respect the fact
00:32:07.720 we largely respect the system that produces and then rewards the best athletes.
00:32:14.880 I agree with you.
00:32:16.020 I'm just wondering how come NHL hasn't gotten anything. 0.99
00:32:18.160 Sometimes I wonder because they're worried because these NHL guys would whoop their asses 0.96
00:32:21.480 because you do not want to fight NHL players. 0.95
00:32:23.460 They're, they're probably the toughest athletes out of all sports.
00:32:26.980 They, uh, if you've ever gone to a bar fight with an NHL player, it usually doesn't end
00:32:31.280 too well for you, but now let's go back to a complete different story.
00:32:34.180 Here's another side.
00:32:35.260 So, uh, the, the, the, the, the skill of lying on your, uh, application to be accepted into
00:32:43.620 a college.
00:32:44.100 Right.
00:32:44.500 So there is benefits to Elizabeth Warren saying I am, uh, native American Indian.
00:32:50.480 Right.
00:32:50.860 So, you know, and then they do the testing just a few years ago and it shows, I don't remember
00:32:55.000 the, what number was one in 1,004.
00:32:57.500 She is native American.
00:32:58.760 And, you know, it was like, uh, everybody was talking about it.
00:33:01.480 You're not use it to get into colleges.
00:33:03.640 So does it benefit an Asian to not put themselves as Asian and put themselves as something else 0.99
00:33:11.880 on the job application to be accepted to one of these Ivy league schools?
00:33:15.240 No.
00:33:15.700 And I'm going to set the record straight on this.
00:33:18.260 Doesn't matter if you check or uncheck your box Asian or not. 0.79
00:33:21.680 Doesn't matter.
00:33:22.340 Harvard's going to know what race you are. 0.91
00:33:23.920 The reason why is because they do data mining.
00:33:26.460 They know who you are.
00:33:27.700 They, they, they have consulting agencies that know everything about your, not everything,
00:33:33.880 but they know a lot of things about your background, such as your race, your parents,
00:33:37.720 family income, the neighborhood you grew up in the crime rate of your neighborhood, all those
00:33:42.340 kinds of things.
00:33:43.040 So don't, don't, don't, um, don't assume that these Harvard people don't have their
00:33:48.320 data and their smarts and their wits about them.
00:33:50.460 They're going to, they know.
00:33:52.420 Maybe you would also need to change your last name, right?
00:33:55.060 And you would probably also, I mean, if you want to really disguise it, I mean, you could
00:33:59.320 change your last name.
00:34:00.560 Not everybody does it like Harvard, but Harvard's going to know your race.
00:34:05.640 Unless of course you're, uh, uh, you're Elizabeth Warren and you come off as a perfectly
00:34:10.940 white passing person, but you claim you're one 32nd Cherokee.
00:34:13.980 I don't think Harvard's going to know that.
00:34:15.400 So maybe they'll, they'll give her the benefit of the doubt there.
00:34:17.920 She's got a gift though.
00:34:19.080 You got to give her, I mean, you got to give credit to her gift, her ability to, you know,
00:34:23.420 convince the world that she's a native American Indian, because, uh, that is a gift of hers,
00:34:28.800 but, uh, not forever.
00:34:30.840 It's true.
00:34:31.520 That's why I'm saying bad ideas.
00:34:33.020 You know, my idea is bad ideas.
00:34:34.360 Don't live forever.
00:34:35.080 They just fool a few people, sometimes a few million people for a few decades. 0.96
00:34:39.500 And then they realized it was a shitty idea. 0.70
00:34:41.500 And typically by the time they find that it's a bad idea, it's already too late. 0.56
00:34:45.020 You only got a few more years to live.
00:34:46.300 My hopes are that people like us, you know, I told you off camera, I said, isn't it weird
00:34:50.820 that we got a guy who's from China, second generation, you yourself, you said second generation.
00:34:56.160 I think you said second generation.
00:34:57.340 And you got someone here who lived in Iran, 10 years, two years in Germany.
00:35:02.280 And, uh, uh, how do you feel about what America was founded on?
00:35:06.480 What is this idea of America mean to you?
00:35:08.320 Because to me, I think this is the greatest country in the world.
00:35:11.420 What do you think about America and how it was founded on?
00:35:14.020 America is a country that to me at its best, it judges you on the content of your character,
00:35:22.880 not the color of your skin.
00:35:23.980 That is a founding American principle.
00:35:25.980 I know it wasn't articulated by Thomas Jefferson or Martin Luther.
00:35:29.260 Uh, it was articulated by Martin Luther King, excuse me.
00:35:33.480 Um, but it is a founding American principle.
00:35:35.920 It is the principle that has made this country so great because we are such an accepted country
00:35:39.760 because we accept immigrants and not just that we accept immigrants, but we say to them,
00:35:45.280 you're not guaranteed success in this country, but if you work hard, you'll be treated on the
00:35:51.620 basis of that work, not your background.
00:35:54.220 That's the ideal that has made America great.
00:35:57.000 It's the American dream.
00:35:58.500 It's the foundation of meritocracy.
00:36:00.540 And that's why America is the greatest country in the world.
00:36:02.840 Why, why does that concept scare so many people?
00:36:05.900 You know, why does the concept of knowing the fact that, you know, like when I was coming
00:36:10.520 up, I had a 1.8 GPA, slightly lower than yours and with a GPA, like 1.8, you know, community
00:36:17.700 colleges turn you down.
00:36:19.020 You know, you, you, you're not even, they, you know, if you just want to go to local Starbucks,
00:36:24.240 they turn you down because your, your GPA is so low.
00:36:26.980 So I don't have a lot of options.
00:36:28.880 So I was the kid that they said, this guy's not going to amount to a lot.
00:36:31.800 And, you know, a lot of my peers went to different places.
00:36:35.000 Fast forward, I got out of the military and I love what you say about military, because
00:36:38.300 I think, uh, I look, I was looking at statistics earlier.
00:36:41.440 Do you know more African-American women joined the military than African-American men?
00:36:45.600 It's, it's, and it's by 8% higher that more African-American women join, uh, the, uh, of 1.00
00:36:52.440 the, of the women in the military, 29%, I think are, uh, women, African-American women
00:36:58.500 of the men, I think 20% of the men are African-American in the military.
00:37:03.560 It's very high number, but you said something about, you know, sometimes you have folks who
00:37:07.860 are African-American who joined the military.
00:37:09.400 They come out, they typically do better in their careers and their businesses because of
00:37:13.160 what's taught.
00:37:13.700 So I went to the military.
00:37:14.780 I was somebody that wasn't, uh, projected to do something big with my life.
00:37:19.820 I learned some discipline, came out, applied it in the world of business and it kind of
00:37:22.900 helped me out.
00:37:23.540 But why do you think this concept of saying, yeah, but listen, Kenny, you're Asian, you're
00:37:29.300 smart, you're genetics.
00:37:31.080 You can't think everybody has the privileges that you have.
00:37:34.700 You're able to get whatever you want because you're smarter than everybody else.
00:37:37.860 Well, Patrick, you're the exception to the rule.
00:37:40.700 You know, you made it because you are the exception.
00:37:43.540 That doesn't mean everybody else can't make it.
00:37:45.860 What do you say when people say, you know, you're exception to the rule.
00:37:49.180 Most people do not have the ability to have their dreams come true in America anymore like
00:37:54.340 they once used to.
00:37:55.520 There are people that don't believe that exists anymore.
00:37:58.000 So people are definitely born into unequal privilege in society.
00:38:01.260 That's, that's 100% correct.
00:38:03.740 The issue at hand is not, can we make everybody who is unequally privileged or who is unequally
00:38:10.080 privileged, equally privileged, that would just be socialism.
00:38:13.300 The issue is, can we provide enough opportunity for the people who are less privileged to be
00:38:18.560 able to succeed in this country if they really desire to?
00:38:21.900 And my answer to that is definitively, yes.
00:38:24.620 We have a lot of structures in our country.
00:38:27.460 They need work, but that enable you to really achieve the American dream.
00:38:32.780 For example, the military, just like what you said, just like what you said, black men and
00:38:37.460 black people who joined the military have higher, much higher career outcomes, business
00:38:43.380 careers.
00:38:44.060 They graduate higher rates of education.
00:38:46.960 You know, if you build in that structure into these people's lives, and some of these
00:38:51.120 people are coming from homes in which there wasn't structure, but you build in that sort
00:38:54.740 of structure in a person's life, it is going to change their life.
00:38:57.200 It's going to make them a lot more successful.
00:38:59.540 And that's just one of the structures that we have in this country.
00:39:02.720 Now, one of the structures that we have in this country that is actually hurting a lot
00:39:06.600 of black and Hispanic Americans is the welfare state, is the welfare state. 1.00
00:39:10.440 This sort of no questions asked, we're going to give you money kind of philosophy is really
00:39:17.880 hurting a lot of people.
00:39:18.780 Now you have people advocating for a universal basic income.
00:39:22.780 We're going to give you money no matter how hard you work or anything like that.
00:39:26.060 That instills the wrong mindset in people.
00:39:28.420 So that's actually causing people to really stay in the position that they're in and be
00:39:35.820 incentivized to stay in the position that they're in rather than get out.
00:39:39.020 Now, when you say UBI, you got to be careful there because the person that talked about UBI
00:39:43.180 a lot is a man who was from Taiwan.
00:39:45.980 And, you know, his name is Andrew Yang.
00:39:47.960 And so, you know, that may be a friend of yours who, you know, got that message.
00:39:54.760 And as an entrepreneur, he got millions of people to buy into the concept of universal
00:39:58.540 basic income.
00:39:59.700 But you don't agree with UBI.
00:40:02.720 No, no.
00:40:04.180 And here's why.
00:40:06.240 One, it's going to cause inflation.
00:40:07.880 We've already seen like a form of UBI be passed in during the COVID pandemic.
00:40:11.780 Yeah.
00:40:12.440 You know, and guess what?
00:40:13.540 Food prices are like 30, 40% higher now.
00:40:16.040 Gas prices are higher.
00:40:17.360 Home prices are higher.
00:40:18.420 And that's causing inflation.
00:40:20.760 So inflation is going to be higher.
00:40:22.020 But forget just the economics of it.
00:40:24.540 Think about the disincentivization of personal responsibility that UBI creates.
00:40:31.460 Kenny, your parents left China to come here.
00:40:33.980 It's not your parents.
00:40:34.640 Your grandparents left China to come here, second generation. 0.94
00:40:37.820 Or do your parents?
00:40:38.700 Who left China to come here? 1.00
00:40:40.380 Parents or grandparents?
00:40:41.540 My parents.
00:40:42.360 Your parents.
00:40:43.020 Why did they?
00:40:43.800 What was their reasoning to leave China to come to America?
00:40:46.140 Because my dad, he studied at Fudan University.
00:40:51.240 You know, back in the day, China was just opening up, but it was poor.
00:40:55.420 It was poor.
00:40:56.180 It did not have prosperity.
00:40:57.400 America had a lot of prosperity.
00:40:59.280 And America had a lot of freedom.
00:41:00.980 My dad was actually politically involved, not at like the Communist Party level.
00:41:06.280 He was never recruited for that.
00:41:08.300 But he, for example, was like a class leader, like class president, that kind of thing.
00:41:14.700 He was always an outspoken person.
00:41:16.660 And he realized he'd become a little too outspoken in, you know, China.
00:41:21.540 Not so good.
00:41:23.340 Not so good.
00:41:24.000 So he valued both America's prosperity and America's penchant for freedom.
00:41:31.160 Do you guys still have family in China that your parents communicate with or no?
00:41:34.840 We do.
00:41:35.580 We do.
00:41:36.060 We do.
00:41:36.420 We have a lot of family there.
00:41:37.760 Yeah.
00:41:37.880 What do they say about the conditions in China today?
00:41:41.100 Are they supportive of it?
00:41:43.020 Are they saying, well, look, guys, it's not the same thing as it was when you left, when
00:41:46.420 they talked to your dad.
00:41:47.600 It's changed a lot.
00:41:48.640 It's a much better place.
00:41:50.220 What is their impression of what China is like today?
00:41:53.280 So China is a lot better.
00:41:55.100 There's China, by and large, you can't deny China has improved middle class life for a lot
00:42:01.160 of their citizens in massive, massive ways.
00:42:05.180 Now, did they do it through cheating?
00:42:06.520 Did they do it through intellectual property stealing of American things?
00:42:09.800 Yeah, to some extent.
00:42:11.060 But also, they did open up their economy.
00:42:13.760 You know, their economy was basically Maoists.
00:42:16.340 You know, Maoism, a sort of forced agrarianism where people had to redistribute wealth is not
00:42:22.120 exactly the best way to create prosperity.
00:42:24.020 But when Deng Xiaoping in the 1980s opened China up and said, okay, we're going to allow 0.87
00:42:28.340 manufacturing, we're going to allow foreign trade, international trade, and he came up
00:42:34.800 with capitalism with Chinese characteristics, which is what it's called there.
00:42:38.660 Yeah, the country did experience, you know, great prosperity.
00:42:41.420 So it is doing a lot better.
00:42:42.580 You know, in Shanghai right now, it's more expensive.
00:42:45.120 An apartment in Shanghai is more expensive than an apartment in New York.
00:42:48.800 Would you go back and live in China if you could? 0.95
00:42:52.000 No, no.
00:42:53.320 I was, the one, the funny thing is, I look like a Chinese American here in America.
00:42:59.940 But if I went to China, I wouldn't even have to speak.
00:43:03.540 People would know I'm American.
00:43:04.900 Why is that?
00:43:05.800 Because of my walk, because of my teeth, because of my cadence.
00:43:13.760 It's a feeling.
00:43:15.760 It's a feeling.
00:43:17.100 This is something that people don't understand about America.
00:43:19.780 They think that everybody who comes to America just represents their home country.
00:43:24.820 No, we actually, you know, if you live in America long enough, you were born here, you were raised here.
00:43:30.260 In many ways, you become an American.
00:43:32.740 Are you someone that's worried about the direction China is going right now and the amount of concentration they have in America today?
00:43:40.420 Like the amount of, like, influence and foreign influence they have in America?
00:43:46.000 Sure.
00:43:46.860 Sure.
00:43:47.540 Of course I'm worried about their, I'm worried about foreign influence in America in general. 0.70
00:43:51.580 You know, in China, to the extent that they have spies, intelligence in America, you know, that obviously needs to be shut out.
00:43:56.880 But particularly with regards to currency manipulation, trade, everything like that, I think that that needs to be a policy that's handled by better experts than me on that.
00:44:06.560 So what's long-term aspirations for someone like you?
00:44:09.220 What do you want to do next?
00:44:10.660 I know you were working with Young Americans Foundation.
00:44:14.280 You're serving currently as their development officer.
00:44:18.120 I know you're writing books that are getting the attentions of a lot of people.
00:44:21.220 What are your long-term aspirations?
00:44:23.140 Well, I left with Young Americans Foundation.
00:44:25.300 I love Young Americans Foundation, by the way.
00:44:27.400 But I did come to serve, I was recruited as president of Colorist United, which is behind me right here, where we advocate for a race-blind America.
00:44:35.620 Race-blind America. 0.82
00:44:37.740 You know, coloristunited.org.
00:44:40.220 And we're basically doing institutional guerrilla warfare, Patrick, because so many of these institutions have resorted to treating people on the basis of identities that are, practically speaking, collectivist and irrelevant to them.
00:44:54.140 So if your listeners really agree with, you know, the subject of what I'm talking about and how we can fight for a truly race-blind America, you should go to coloristunited.org.
00:45:04.280 But that's really what I am, and sign our petition, because that's really what I'm working on, working on creating a more just and more meritocratic society.
00:45:14.900 We're going to put the link below for people to go to your website and for people to be able to find you as well, whether it's Twitter or Instagram, we'll put those as well.
00:45:22.800 Also, the link to your Inconvenient Truth.
00:45:26.480 Do you run a podcast, by the way?
00:45:28.300 Do you have a podcast or YouTube channel that you run?
00:45:31.340 Inconvenient Minority with Kenny Hsu, where I tackle race, identity, and culture.
00:45:35.160 I've had James Lindsay, Chris Rufo on board.
00:45:38.500 Heather McDonald is one person who I correspond regularly with, who I have on the podcast.
00:45:43.400 So just search Inconvenient Minority with Kenny Hsu.
00:45:45.800 You can find it wherever podcasts are found.
00:45:47.300 I got a recommendation for you for someone to interview.
00:45:50.080 His name is Lucian Truscott.
00:45:52.380 Lucian Truscott.
00:45:54.240 Lucian.
00:45:55.140 Lucian Truscott.
00:45:56.440 If you Google him, he is this great, great, great grandson of Thomas Jefferson.
00:46:05.320 And I think I would love to see you interview him.
00:46:07.940 It would be very entertaining.
00:46:09.260 And if you don't know who he is, if you Google his name on, if you search his name on YouTube, you'll see an interview with him and I.
00:46:15.240 And after about one minute, you'll know why I'm recommending you to sit down with him.
00:46:19.020 I think it'll be entertaining.
00:46:20.120 I think people will love it.
00:46:21.520 But I think the chance of agreeing for an interview with you is less than one-tenth of a percent.
00:46:27.760 So, hey, buddy, very excited about what you're doing.
00:46:31.540 Keep doing what you're doing.
00:46:32.300 It's very necessary.
00:46:34.140 The concept of bringing awareness to this topic from the angle that you're taking it and having the moral authority to share with your background is extremely helpful.
00:46:41.840 Gets a lot of us thinking, but it's been very nice to have you on here on Valuetainment.
00:46:47.200 Absolutely, Patrick.
00:46:47.980 Thank you for having me.
00:46:48.880 Anytime.
00:46:49.480 Take care.
00:46:50.660 What did you have to say about what he said, by the way?
00:46:52.360 What are your thoughts?
00:46:53.040 I mean, he had a lot of things to say.
00:46:54.280 Pretty eloquent speaker.
00:46:56.260 So, comment below.
00:46:57.120 I'm curious.
00:46:57.700 If you enjoyed it, put a thumbs up and subscribe to the channel.
00:47:00.440 I got two other interviews I want you to watch if you enjoyed this.
00:47:02.760 One of them is not an interview.
00:47:04.360 A video I did a few years ago titled, Every University's Worst Nightmare.
00:47:08.340 If you've never seen it, click over here on the other one is with the former Space Force commander who got fired because he shared what's really taking place in the military, U.S. military, similar to what Kenny is saying taking place with Ivy League schools.
00:47:22.620 Having said that, enjoy.
00:47:24.020 Take care, everybody.