Valuetainment - October 19, 2026


Attorney or Not？ Trump's Press Secretary Addresses Bar Exam Failure

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00:00:30.000 White House press secretary, okay, White House press secretary, Katie Zachariah.
00:00:34.900 I don't want to spend a lot of time on this, but I'm going to spend a few minutes on this.
00:00:39.060 She comes out, and she does her day one.
00:00:41.620 A lot of people said it wasn't her best day one.
00:00:43.660 Now, it's kind of hard to follow up on Caroline Levitt's, you know, shoes.
00:00:49.160 It's not easy because she did such a good job, but she came up.
00:00:51.840 She did her day one.
00:00:53.140 She got some criticism on the fact that she wasn't fully there when she was given some of the answers.
00:00:57.880 She broke the story on what's going to happen with Kimberly Guilfoyle.
00:01:00.980 And then stories came up about attorney, whether you're a lawyer or an attorney.
00:01:05.860 And in one exchange, when Trump is there, I don't know if you have this clip,
00:01:09.100 they ask Trump about Katie, whether she's a lawyer or an attorney.
00:01:12.320 And Trump just turns around and says, what are you?
00:01:14.580 And then she answers it.
00:01:15.920 If you want to play this clip, go for it.
00:01:19.040 I need audio.
00:01:21.480 Watch this.
00:01:23.700 Watch. 1.00
00:01:27.880 She's an attorney. 1.00
00:01:28.700 Where did she pass the bar exam? 0.91
00:01:30.100 Which state? 0.56
00:01:30.940 Where did she tell us?
00:01:32.960 China.
00:01:34.600 Did she say China?
00:01:37.180 That's no good.
00:01:38.740 Mr. President.
00:01:40.160 Look at the president.
00:01:41.240 No, no, no, no.
00:01:41.800 Do me a favor.
00:01:42.300 Go back seven seconds.
00:01:43.620 Go back seven seconds.
00:01:45.160 Look what Trump is doing.
00:01:46.820 Okay, go a little bit more, a little bit more, a little bit more before he turns around.
00:01:49.940 Okay, watch what he does.
00:01:51.300 He turns to her.
00:01:53.020 Okay, where he's saying you got to explain for yourself.
00:01:56.400 wait for this he's looking at her because he's like he's hoping the team probably filtered it out
00:02:04.380 okay but but right there that you know what look that is on the president that's a skeptical look
00:02:09.820 that's a skeptical look and then on top of that forget everybody attacking her that's their job
00:02:15.880 they're supposed to attack the press secretary it's not an easy job i congratulated her but
00:02:19.520 it's a tough job to have this is not a job you want to you know you go up to you're gonna have
00:02:24.240 an easy time she's married she's got four kids all this young kids she's got oh yeah she's married
00:02:28.080 with four kids and her husband's uh i think in california taking care of the kids and so the
00:02:32.320 deal was if you're a lawyer you're a jd you're not necessarily a person that passed the bar exam
00:02:37.400 attorney passed the bar exam yesterday hannity grilled her on fox i don't have the clip to show
00:02:44.060 it i think it's like seven eight minutes so we're not going to show the whole thing
00:02:46.200 but on hannity yesterday he's like well what about this and what about that and what about this
00:02:50.080 and she was confronted now they're done with her that's the point if it goes from here
00:02:56.300 to Hannity and Hannity is a friend yeah I mean this is kind of like hey maybe this is Anthony
00:03:03.780 Scaramucci 2.0 we got to move on spicy remember spicy yeah maybe this is like Anthony Scaramucci
00:03:09.400 2.0 how long is this clip that you have I just want to show a snippet of it I don't want to
00:03:13.360 show the whole okay play the clip go for it I only three questions in 14 minutes and what might
00:03:18.360 you do a little differently going forward, I can give you some unsolicited advice that's never
00:03:24.400 going to be a friendly room to you. Okay, when I sell my business, I want the best tax and
00:03:29.860 investment advice. I want to help my kids, and I want to give back to the community.
00:03:34.180 Ooh, then it's the vacation of a lifetime. I wonder if my out of office has a forever setting.
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00:03:54.000 idprivatewealth.com yeah so what i what i would say is i would absolutely this is in the clip don't
00:04:02.360 worry about it this is in one of the clips in one of the clips he says why would you do that why did
00:04:07.280 you do this why did you call yourself this and then there's a couple tweets that you retweeted
00:04:10.860 that claim that as if you're a attorney people know this because you're not an attorney and
00:04:15.620 So Hannity was pushing her, and it's not like it was a game.
00:04:18.680 And the question now becomes, Tom, what do you think happens next?
00:04:21.740 Do you think she makes it past Kirimuchi, or do you think it happens before?
00:04:24.960 I have my own opinions.
00:04:25.980 I want to hear yours.
00:04:28.200 First of all, I think she handled this really poorly.
00:04:33.600 You're going into a new job.
00:04:35.060 There has to be clarity.
00:04:36.240 You've got to know that everyone's going to ask every question.
00:04:39.500 And her first answer, oh, it was in China.
00:04:43.540 Her second answer, which I saw this morning, was that, no, I did not pass the bar.
00:04:49.240 And so she's sticking to what Pat quoted there is a correct definition that when you say lawyer, you don't always mean, by the way, and the key thing is always, you don't always mean pass the bar exam.
00:05:01.720 If you say attorney, attorney at law, you pass the bar exam under the guidance and with your law license now under the shingle of a law firm, a licensed law firm.
00:05:13.540 and so she came out and said i did not pass it but the use of the word lawyer and attorney now
00:05:19.380 having to split it pat that's a bad look you're trying to split oh lawyer means maybe i did maybe
00:05:25.420 i didn't maybe i was just giving informal legal opinion from my position as having a law degree
00:05:32.180 you know that's to me this was handled really badly job to talk to the press and you put you
00:05:39.640 They put the president in a bad spot.
00:05:41.760 Here's my question for you.
00:05:43.340 Who's this on?
00:05:44.880 This is on the vetting process of the White House.
00:05:47.160 Do you think the vetting team knew?
00:05:48.600 Do you think the vetting team, do you think she told the vetting team?
00:05:50.820 There's the White House.
00:05:51.640 No, but do you think the vetting team was told, I did pass my bar exam?
00:05:56.500 If she told, by the way, if you told the vetting team.
00:05:59.300 They're done.
00:05:59.780 That you passed the bar exam, you lied.
00:06:01.220 You lied.
00:06:01.820 Oh, bro, we just did an interview with a guy a few months ago who claimed he went to a very prestigious school.
00:06:08.560 That's right.
00:06:08.880 The background check process, we went and called the school,
00:06:11.200 and he never went to the school, and then we asked him,
00:06:14.100 and he says, I have my degree.
00:06:15.400 I'll show it to you guys.
00:06:16.020 It's in storage.
00:06:17.360 It's in storage.
00:06:17.740 Show it to us on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
00:06:21.280 Now, he never went to the school he put on the resume.
00:06:23.960 We're not going to hire you.
00:06:24.780 Come on, player.
00:06:25.180 Yeah.
00:06:25.560 So, to me, one, how the hell did the vetting team not know?
00:06:29.380 Two, if you like to the vetting team, you're done.
00:06:31.180 They're firing you in no time.
00:06:32.520 Three, I don't think they fired her that quickly.
00:06:34.800 I don't think so.
00:06:35.100 Because I don't think Trump wants anybody but Scaramucci
00:06:38.980 to be the shortest ever to have the time of the NFL secretary.
00:06:41.600 I think he's already beat Scaramucci.
00:06:43.060 What I'm trying to tell you is Trump intentionally wants to keep Scaramucci
00:06:46.220 as the GOAT of that.
00:06:47.200 Of course.
00:06:47.540 They have a very strong beef with each other.
00:06:49.500 And, you know, we've had Scaramucci on.
00:06:51.020 He's a very smart guy himself, capable guy.
00:06:53.460 Probably more capable of her than, but that's a whole, that's a personal issue.
00:06:55.860 That's not even a comparison.
00:06:57.240 But all I'm saying is intentionally, I think it's going to be like,
00:07:00.080 how many days?
00:07:01.240 Just make sure he stays as the GOAT.
00:07:02.800 I think Trump is the vengeance.
00:07:04.320 I agree with that.
00:07:06.120 That is very Trump.
00:07:07.100 Adam, you know who this is on?
00:07:09.640 Who?
00:07:10.600 It's on the vetting process and the vetting team.
00:07:12.440 It's not like they had two weeks. 0.99
00:07:13.940 She stepped down like three months ago.
00:07:16.160 They've had three months to basically flesh this out and figure out, all right, who do we want representing? 0.99
00:07:21.380 By the way, if you look at everyone that he's hired to be the press secretary, it's all blonde, attractive women. 0.93
00:07:28.280 Sarah Huckabee Sanders was it?
00:07:29.540 I'm saying since.
00:07:30.800 He gets distracted. 0.92
00:07:31.580 Since Katie McEnany, Caitlin McEnany, he's realizing, I want some attractive women up there.
00:07:38.740 Sean Spicer, Huckabee, thank you for that. 0.97
00:07:40.520 Another attractive blonde woman, Sean. 0.89
00:07:42.800 Well, that's a good business move. 1.00
00:07:44.040 It's like when you want to give people bad news, have it be a beautiful blonde girl because it's easier for the public to swallow.
00:07:49.520 Yeah, but I mean, there's not that many good news.
00:07:51.480 Can we give somebody credit, though?
00:07:52.720 Respect?
00:07:53.840 Caroline Leavitt was the go. 1.00
00:07:56.060 She's the best of the blonde. 0.87
00:07:56.620 She was incredible. 1.00
00:07:57.440 In her 20s.
00:07:58.820 I'm a Jen Psaki, man.
00:08:00.680 If it happens to Caroline Leavitt, in her 20s, then she'll be six out.
00:08:03.500 But Caroline Leavitt, respect to you.
00:08:05.620 Yeah, but, like, he's the CEO of the White House.
00:08:09.180 Like, the buck stops with him.
00:08:10.980 It's embarrassing to the president.
00:08:12.420 I don't disagree.
00:08:13.340 It's really embarrassing to him.
00:08:14.100 I don't disagree. 1.00
00:08:14.640 And, like, this lady sucks. 1.00
00:08:16.520 You saw her on Hannity. 1.00
00:08:17.580 You saw her on Hannity. 1.00
00:08:18.520 She sucks at talking to the media. 0.99
00:08:21.360 So how did she get this job? 0.99
00:08:22.540 FYI, let me tell you.
00:08:24.040 You know if I'm Trump?
00:08:25.520 Let me tell you what would happen.
00:08:27.480 Tommy, you know this.
00:08:28.240 If I have a guy like Tom, whom he knows what I like and what I don't like,
00:08:36.160 I'll empower him to make the decision.
00:08:39.340 Right?
00:08:39.580 And I'll say, Tom, hire whoever you think is going to be the good,
00:08:42.440 whatever we need for this position.
00:08:43.760 He's got a lot on the plate.
00:08:44.500 He does.
00:08:45.160 He's got a lot on the plate.
00:08:47.060 I can tell you this was not a decision that Trump went very deep in
00:08:53.120 and did his due diligence on this.
00:08:55.060 He entrusted somebody, and I can guarantee you.
00:08:58.120 Big job.
00:08:58.720 I can guarantee you there was one very painful,
00:09:02.840 horrible call for somebody that took place.
00:09:05.340 You do not F up like this with press secretary.
00:09:08.820 You do not do something like this.
00:09:10.780 And so, look, I mean, you know how the news cycle is?
00:09:13.620 By Monday, everybody moved on.
00:09:14.760 It's like, oh, boom, we're going again.
00:09:17.000 Look at the Dodgers.
00:09:17.800 Look at this.
00:09:18.680 But in reality, someone's going to get that phone call.
00:09:21.400 um how does he do it how does who do it you're funny how does he do it we need a lady you guys
00:09:28.820 you guys are before it no how did how does he read some of the right act like how does he bring
00:09:33.140 someone one-on-one oh he's a he's he doesn't hesitate he calls he's a phone call guy he calls
00:09:38.220 immediately and say hey you're done what are you doing yeah what i trusted you to get this
00:09:43.340 what what do we miss here on the vetting process what are we doing over here that's gotta be bad
00:09:46.800 That's the call you want to see.
00:09:49.660 That's the call you want to see.
00:09:50.780 He made a show about it.
00:09:52.040 This is my speculation, but don't you think that he personally selected this person?
00:09:57.240 No.
00:09:57.600 If you're going to be the person representing me, it doesn't make him look good.
00:10:00.500 Really?
00:10:01.120 No way.
00:10:01.680 Okay.
00:10:02.160 I don't think so.
00:10:03.080 I'm telling you, I don't think so.
00:10:04.600 I don't think he selected it.
00:10:05.580 By the way, you know, Levitt is kind of like, listen.
00:10:11.680 How you like me now, guys?
00:10:12.860 Never, ever follow up a Levitt.
00:10:16.000 Yeah.
00:10:16.320 Never.
00:10:17.260 You know what I actually think happened?
00:10:20.100 Harold Minor.
00:10:21.280 Let me tell you what you just made me think about.
00:10:22.740 Let me tell you what I think happened.
00:10:24.040 Here's what I think happened.
00:10:25.540 I think there were three more qualified people that got the call 0.98
00:10:29.560 who were way more qualified than Katie to get the call,
00:10:34.200 but they all turned it down.
00:10:35.060 They said, I don't want to follow that.
00:10:36.000 Because they don't want to follow that.
00:10:36.960 It's like following the best comedian.
00:10:38.420 By the way, I guarantee you that took place.
00:10:41.640 It's like following Vinny when he goes on Def Comedy Jam.
00:10:43.780 I guarantee you that took place.
00:10:44.280 Unbelievable.
00:10:45.180 I guarantee you that took place.
00:10:46.800 And the other people are like.
00:10:47.740 You think they turn down the job?
00:10:49.820 100%.
00:10:50.180 Really?
00:10:50.780 Trump has rules like that.
00:10:52.180 100%.
00:10:52.420 I don't think you turn a job like that down, though.
00:10:54.380 No, no, no.
00:10:55.120 Listen, are you kidding me?
00:10:56.200 How do you do it?
00:10:57.360 Health.
00:10:58.300 Mom.
00:10:58.940 Yeah.
00:10:59.180 Can be out.
00:10:59.660 It's one of those.
00:11:00.440 He likes, like, for vice president, he picks a big position, though.
00:11:03.020 It doesn't matter.
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