Valuetainment - January 01, 1970


“Billion-Year Contracts” - Inside Scientology’s EXTREME Loyalty Rituals & SeaOrg Control


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15 minutes

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145.71031

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2,303

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172

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00:00:00.460 Scientology.
00:00:01.440 You know, I've worked with Scientologists,
00:00:04.200 and I will tell you from my experience,
00:00:06.920 I've never had a bad experience with Scientologists.
00:00:11.660 They work very hard.
00:00:13.360 I recruited people from the C organization.
00:00:15.820 They would work 16-hour days.
00:00:19.240 They were not my agents.
00:00:20.780 We shared an office together selling insurance.
00:00:22.860 So they ran their own agency.
00:00:24.140 I ran my own agency, but we were overlapping each other,
00:00:26.520 and I would help them grow their business
00:00:27.680 because one of the guys, you know, became a friend,
00:00:31.780 and when we're at the office late at night, midnight,
00:00:36.180 you know, 11 o'clock, I'm finishing up my day,
00:00:39.120 and I would say, well, you know, do you know what a cyst is?
00:00:41.640 We do something called a cyst.
00:00:43.820 We do something, and I went to the facility.
00:00:46.480 I got some of the books.
00:00:47.560 I read some of the material, Dianetics and other things.
00:00:49.760 I probably have a couple of Dianetics copies in my office,
00:00:53.780 and you see some things that are interesting.
00:00:56.640 Then you read about the founder.
00:00:59.580 Then things get a little bit suspicious.
00:01:01.240 You're like, wait a minute.
00:01:01.900 And then you read Leah Remini and watch the stuff she did,
00:01:06.220 or Presley.
00:01:07.700 Is it Leslie Presley, if I'm saying it correctly?
00:01:09.560 One of the Presleys, right?
00:01:10.680 Who was the one that was put?
00:01:11.980 Priscilla Presley joined,
00:01:14.460 and she brought in Lisa Marie Presley, her daughter.
00:01:17.160 That's right.
00:01:17.620 So what patterns do you notice with Scientology like this?
00:01:23.800 However, they've never gotten in trouble.
00:01:26.660 Not they've never gotten in trouble.
00:01:28.060 They're still around.
00:01:29.060 They're still there.
00:01:30.140 They still have their religion exemption.
00:01:32.220 They still have the tax benefits.
00:01:33.940 What patterns do you notice there?
00:01:36.160 Well, I think what you see is worship of the leader.
00:01:40.360 I mean, L. Ron Hubbard is considered sacrosanct, really,
00:01:45.600 and his writings are sacred.
00:01:48.120 In fact, they have them written in metal
00:01:53.520 and stored in a mountain to preserve them.
00:01:56.740 So I think what you see typically is a kind of worship
00:02:00.340 of L. Ron Hubbard, though he is dead.
00:02:03.480 He was succeeded by his secretary, David Miscavige,
00:02:07.160 who now occupies a similar position in Scientology.
00:02:11.120 Very powerful.
00:02:11.780 He's a virtual dictator, in my opinion.
00:02:16.520 Have you ever met him?
00:02:18.060 No, I have not.
00:02:19.060 Never met him.
00:02:19.600 I've met their lead counsel, Kendrick Moxon.
00:02:23.580 I've met quite a few Scientologists over the years
00:02:26.840 and former Scientologists.
00:02:28.900 There's a division of who is what could be called a public
00:02:35.000 or a member of Scientology, but they are not a full-time member.
00:02:39.540 The people that are in C-Org, the C-Organization, are full-timers.
00:02:46.020 There are thousands of them, and they staff buildings and so forth.
00:02:50.280 I would question the way those people are treated
00:02:52.960 because I've talked to former C-Org members,
00:02:56.080 and what is their health care benefit?
00:02:59.320 What is their retirement benefit?
00:03:01.040 How much are they actually paid?
00:03:02.660 Why do they have to sign billion-year contracts
00:03:06.860 for this life and successive lives?
00:03:10.360 You know, are they or are they not treated fairly?
00:03:13.900 There are allegations that they're not
00:03:16.120 based on what people have said that have left.
00:03:19.440 Then there's the whole celebrity crowd.
00:03:22.140 You know, John Travolta, Tom Cruise, Jenna Elfman,
00:03:25.660 the people who are treated very well within Scientology.
00:03:31.960 Scientology has celebrity centers to cater to celebrities.
00:03:36.660 So I would say that you could divide Scientology up,
00:03:41.180 and you could say, well, the celebrities are treated in one way,
00:03:45.080 in which they would say Scientology is great.
00:03:48.640 We're being treated very well.
00:03:50.600 And then at the bottom, you have these C-Org members,
00:03:54.140 many of them brought into Scientology as children
00:03:57.280 raised within Scientology, schooled by Scientology,
00:04:00.640 and they become the backbone of Scientology,
00:04:04.820 you know, the worker drones that keep everything going.
00:04:11.340 So Scientology also, the families that call me
00:04:17.500 will talk about how a loved one became involved in Scientology,
00:04:21.720 and the deeper they became involved,
00:04:24.340 the more control Scientology had over their life.
00:04:29.220 And as the family questioned that
00:04:31.820 and questioned what was happening
00:04:33.920 and how it was affecting their life,
00:04:36.340 Scientology would say, well, they're a suppressive person,
00:04:40.740 and you need to disconnect from them.
00:04:43.300 So I have done interventions to get people out of Scientology,
00:04:47.160 in one case, which I recount in my book,
00:04:50.080 Cults Inside Out,
00:04:51.300 was a man who had been in Scientology for 27 years.
00:04:56.900 He was almost 50 when I met him.
00:04:59.660 And he had a wife, he had two children.
00:05:02.860 He had always functioned as someone
00:05:06.000 who would take courses and be active with Scientology,
00:05:11.160 but had his own home, his own life, his family.
00:05:15.000 And his wife would take courses and his children
00:05:18.580 to humor him, as they would tell me.
00:05:21.780 But they never became fully immersed.
00:05:24.540 At one point, Scientology says to this guy,
00:05:28.760 we want you to become a full-time Sea Org member,
00:05:31.880 divorce your wife, leave your family,
00:05:34.380 move into Sea Org housing.
00:05:36.160 Because Sea Org members, you know,
00:05:38.000 they eat, sleep, breathe Scientology.
00:05:41.440 And he was going to do that.
00:05:43.900 And then his family contacted me.
00:05:46.960 We did an intervention.
00:05:48.660 And he decided to leave Scientology,
00:05:51.960 which for him was really very difficult,
00:05:55.260 because all of his friends were Scientologists.
00:05:58.600 And he had grown up in this organization.
00:06:00.980 So when he walked away, he thought,
00:06:03.760 can I still have these friends?
00:06:05.700 Or will I have to let them go?
00:06:08.080 And it ended up where he had to let them go,
00:06:10.500 because they kept trying to pull him back in.
00:06:13.240 And he had to leave.
00:06:15.200 And I can remember at one point,
00:06:17.100 his children literally getting on their knees
00:06:20.840 in front of him.
00:06:21.920 He was sitting in his living room.
00:06:25.140 And they were crying.
00:06:26.340 And they were saying, Dad, don't do it.
00:06:28.620 Don't go into Sea Org.
00:06:29.720 Don't leave us.
00:06:30.740 We love you.
00:06:31.840 We want you in our lives.
00:06:33.900 Please don't do this.
00:06:35.240 And of course, his wife was crying.
00:06:37.160 He started crying.
00:06:38.980 I think what finally helped him
00:06:41.720 to get out of Scientology
00:06:43.380 was realizing that the writings
00:06:45.860 of L. Ron Hubbard were flawed.
00:06:48.900 Hubbard believed that toxins
00:06:52.340 could reside in the fatty tissues
00:06:54.720 of the body indefinitely.
00:06:56.920 And so Scientology has a routine
00:06:59.960 called the purification rundown,
00:07:02.880 in which you go through saunas.
00:07:05.360 Lake Arrowhead is one of their main facilities.
00:07:07.760 And you take large doses of niacin and so on.
00:07:11.580 And you're supposedly going to sweat out
00:07:13.860 whatever toxins are in your body.
00:07:16.140 And Hubbard would propose,
00:07:20.740 or he wrote,
00:07:22.280 that let's say you at one time did LSD,
00:07:26.540 or at one time you took antidepressants,
00:07:30.200 or whatever.
00:07:31.140 They're in your fatty tissue indefinitely
00:07:33.780 until you do the purification rundown,
00:07:36.200 which of course Scientology collects money for.
00:07:39.840 You know, they can collect thousands of dollars
00:07:41.840 for somebody doing the purification rundown.
00:07:43.900 At one point, they were through an organization
00:07:47.920 called Narconon, which is, in my opinion,
00:07:51.800 a front for Scientology.
00:07:53.520 It's an anti-drug program,
00:07:55.160 and Narconon runs drug rehabs,
00:07:57.740 but it's based on Scientology.
00:08:00.140 And it's controversial.
00:08:02.540 And so Narconon approached
00:08:04.660 the California school system,
00:08:06.280 and they said,
00:08:06.820 let us do an anti-drug program for your schools
00:08:10.200 to help kids say no to drugs.
00:08:13.100 And they asked them specifically at that point,
00:08:16.560 is this religion?
00:08:19.220 Because we can't have you teaching religion to the kids.
00:08:22.540 And they said,
00:08:23.340 no, no, Narconon is separate from Scientology,
00:08:26.300 and this is not us teaching Scientology.
00:08:29.240 So they let them in,
00:08:30.480 and then they had complaints,
00:08:31.780 and they brought them back in.
00:08:33.400 And they said,
00:08:34.080 we're getting complaints.
00:08:35.380 The kids are having nightmares.
00:08:37.120 They're telling their parents
00:08:38.300 they've got drugs
00:08:39.420 in the fatty tissue of their bodies
00:08:41.820 that could be let out at any time
00:08:45.500 without warning
00:08:46.660 and could cause them harm.
00:08:49.680 Why are you teaching that to kids?
00:08:52.000 It's not true.
00:08:53.560 Science has proven
00:08:54.580 that drugs do not reside indefinitely
00:08:57.360 in any part of the body,
00:08:58.860 and that they are dispelled
00:09:00.260 from the body
00:09:01.500 in a certain period of time.
00:09:03.020 And you know that
00:09:04.080 from people taking drug tests.
00:09:06.280 How many days before did you use drugs?
00:09:09.680 It's going to come up in the test.
00:09:11.280 And if it's distant,
00:09:12.740 it won't come up in the test.
00:09:14.660 So Scientologists said,
00:09:16.800 well, this is a truth.
00:09:18.800 This is what we say is the truth.
00:09:23.260 And the school said,
00:09:24.320 no, it's not the truth.
00:09:25.640 It's a belief.
00:09:27.900 And now you're teaching religion.
00:09:29.860 You're not doing
00:09:30.940 a typical drug,
00:09:32.540 anti-drug program.
00:09:33.920 You're teaching something.
00:09:35.880 And so I shared this
00:09:37.400 with the man
00:09:38.120 who had been in Scientology
00:09:39.480 for 27 years.
00:09:40.980 And I said,
00:09:41.980 I can understand
00:09:43.120 that L. Ron Hubbard
00:09:44.680 had some quaint beliefs
00:09:46.500 that seemed valid
00:09:48.600 at the time that he wrote,
00:09:50.220 which was in the 1950s
00:09:52.120 and 60s.
00:09:54.920 So he wrote
00:09:56.340 and he thought
00:09:57.720 that this was true.
00:09:59.060 But science has proven
00:10:01.120 it is not.
00:10:02.140 So it was a theory
00:10:03.320 that was disproven.
00:10:05.020 And if what you believe in
00:10:07.560 is science
00:10:08.680 and the name of the organization
00:10:11.520 is Scientology,
00:10:13.660 implying it's kind of scientific,
00:10:16.540 why can't the group
00:10:18.180 acknowledge
00:10:18.940 that this was a mistake,
00:10:21.800 this theory has been proven false,
00:10:23.660 and then move on,
00:10:25.420 which is what science does.
00:10:27.780 Science through evidence
00:10:29.440 will move beyond a theory
00:10:31.540 that has been disproven.
00:10:33.500 And he really struggled with that
00:10:35.760 because he realized,
00:10:38.460 yeah,
00:10:38.720 what he's saying is true.
00:10:40.120 And I showed him
00:10:41.000 the documentation
00:10:41.720 and everything
00:10:42.640 and what had happened.
00:10:44.360 And he realized,
00:10:45.720 well,
00:10:45.960 if when Hubbard
00:10:47.720 is wrong about something,
00:10:49.360 what do we do with that?
00:10:50.740 can't we realize
00:10:54.100 that that theory
00:10:54.920 has been disproven
00:10:55.840 and move on?
00:10:56.860 And so that was the crack
00:10:58.980 that opened up,
00:11:01.020 that let everything else in,
00:11:03.760 and then he left Scientology.
00:11:06.080 Yeah,
00:11:06.260 the last time he did an interview,
00:11:08.080 Miscavige,
00:11:08.780 was with Ted Koppel.
00:11:10.660 And I believe it's in 94,
00:11:12.600 something like that.
00:11:13.520 It could be.
00:11:13.800 Rob,
00:11:14.020 can you see what year
00:11:14.760 that was,
00:11:15.180 the Koppel interview?
00:11:16.640 It's a long-time interview,
00:11:17.480 and people have had a hard time,
00:11:19.100 have had a hard time
00:11:21.720 finding his wife.
00:11:22.700 They don't know
00:11:23.020 where his wife is.
00:11:24.480 She's been located.
00:11:25.920 She,
00:11:26.200 she is in relatively
00:11:27.760 comfortable setting.
00:11:30.320 Good shape?
00:11:30.920 Yeah,
00:11:31.580 in northern,
00:11:32.640 in northern California.
00:11:35.120 I think,
00:11:36.140 somewhat near.
00:11:37.340 She was missing
00:11:37.800 for 20 years though,
00:11:38.840 15 years though.
00:11:39.580 Not really.
00:11:40.800 I,
00:11:41.020 I think,
00:11:41.720 I think there was a point
00:11:43.020 where people question,
00:11:44.340 where is she,
00:11:44.980 where is she?
00:11:45.700 But eventually,
00:11:46.740 it would be established
00:11:47.900 that she had been assigned
00:11:49.440 to a Scientology branch
00:11:52.260 in California.
00:11:53.980 And that's where she works
00:11:55.720 and she lives.
00:11:56.840 And it's relatively secluded
00:11:58.920 and she is somewhat isolated.
00:12:00.680 And you could even go so far
00:12:02.700 as to say,
00:12:03.320 well,
00:12:03.860 David Miscavige
00:12:05.360 did the equivalent of,
00:12:08.000 woman,
00:12:08.520 get thee to a nunnery.
00:12:10.820 I mean,
00:12:11.220 it says,
00:12:11.600 since her disappearance
00:12:12.560 in 07,
00:12:13.180 she has been the subject
00:12:14.980 of speculation
00:12:15.860 and inquiries
00:12:16.740 with her whereabouts.
00:12:18.800 In 2012,
00:12:19.540 attorneys who said
00:12:20.220 they represented her
00:12:21.340 responded by saying
00:12:22.160 she was leading
00:12:22.760 a private life
00:12:23.360 devoted to the Church
00:12:24.100 of Scientology.
00:12:25.640 In 2013,
00:12:26.860 Leah Romani,
00:12:27.480 a former Scientologist
00:12:28.400 and critic
00:12:28.860 of the organization,
00:12:30.600 filed a missing person
00:12:31.680 reporting miscavige
00:12:33.240 with the LA Department.
00:12:34.640 The LAPD
00:12:35.940 closed the investigation
00:12:36.840 within hours
00:12:37.420 and described the report
00:12:38.340 as unfounded.
00:12:40.400 Has she showed herself?
00:12:42.240 Have people seen her?
00:12:43.540 Yes.
00:12:44.020 She has?
00:12:44.560 Yes.
00:12:44.920 Okay.
00:12:45.380 Yes.
00:12:45.660 And what,
00:12:46.560 where has that been documented?
00:12:49.500 I think she was seen
00:12:51.340 at a restaurant
00:12:52.100 eating out
00:12:53.240 outside of the-
00:12:54.060 That's great news.
00:12:54.960 Outside of the compound.
00:12:56.580 She also has,
00:12:58.280 the compound that she's in
00:13:00.440 is in Northern California.
00:13:02.640 It's relatively secluded.
00:13:04.920 It's actually quite nice
00:13:06.780 from what I've heard.
00:13:08.240 So she is basically
00:13:10.440 comfortably living,
00:13:12.160 devoted to Scientology,
00:13:13.920 in seclusion.
00:13:15.660 And you could argue
00:13:17.860 that David Miscavige
00:13:19.160 wanted to get rid of her,
00:13:20.540 that he put her there
00:13:21.400 to take her out
00:13:22.860 of the limelight,
00:13:24.040 that he didn't want
00:13:25.100 to share the limelight with her,
00:13:27.500 and that he wanted her
00:13:28.680 out of his life.
00:13:30.440 Be that as it may,
00:13:31.900 she's not unaccounted for.
00:13:34.780 She lives in this
00:13:36.340 relatively comfortable place
00:13:39.080 in Northern California,
00:13:41.200 albeit a full-time
00:13:42.560 Scientology facility
00:13:44.160 where she's working
00:13:45.520 for Scientology
00:13:46.800 day in, day out,
00:13:48.700 and this is her life.
00:13:49.740 Is that it, Rob?
00:13:51.380 This is the only Scientology
00:13:52.840 in Northern California
00:13:53.840 I could find.
00:13:54.320 The Petriola?
00:13:55.600 Is that correct?
00:13:58.340 They say it's a giant compound
00:14:00.100 with a hidden bunker underneath.
00:14:02.260 And says what?
00:14:03.120 That she is there?
00:14:03.940 That's the only
00:14:04.660 Scientology headquarters
00:14:06.240 that I could find
00:14:06.920 in a remote,
00:14:07.660 secluded location
00:14:08.560 in Northern California.
00:14:10.700 I am not,
00:14:11.780 I'm not really sure
00:14:13.260 which facility it is
00:14:14.980 by name,
00:14:15.940 but, you know,
00:14:17.500 it is in Northern California,
00:14:19.140 and it's not a huge facility,
00:14:22.760 but it's where she is.
00:14:24.160 That may be the facility,
00:14:26.100 in fact, there.
00:14:27.560 But she's,
00:14:29.620 people know where she is.
00:14:31.580 I mean, it's not a mystery.
00:14:32.840 She has been there
00:14:34.840 for a number of years.
00:14:37.140 Yeah, the niece
00:14:37.820 was on News Nation
00:14:39.140 just a few months ago.
00:14:40.460 Did you see that interview?
00:14:42.220 Yeah, I'm aware of it.
00:14:44.600 Yes.
00:14:45.300 She claimed that she has been seen
00:14:49.060 but doesn't want to give proof.
00:14:51.680 So the, you know,
00:14:53.400 obviously she was critical
00:14:54.860 of Scientology,
00:14:55.820 but, you know,
00:14:58.520 the niece herself says,
00:15:00.660 I'm not sure.
00:15:03.380 Let me just have this, Rob.
00:15:04.680 I'm going to send this to you
00:15:05.420 if you want to take a look at this.
00:15:07.060 But if you're telling me
00:15:08.320 this is breaking news
00:15:09.340 for a lot of us
00:15:10.040 because, you know,
00:15:11.260 most people didn't know
00:15:12.300 if she was
00:15:13.000 out there or not,
00:15:15.960 but that's phenomenal news
00:15:17.100 that she is good.
00:15:17.980 Hi, I'm Rick Allen Ross,
00:15:21.160 cult expert,
00:15:23.140 intervention specialist,
00:15:24.820 author of the book
00:15:25.600 Cults Inside Out.
00:15:27.600 You can find me
00:15:28.700 on Manect.
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