Valuetainment - April 03, 2026


ā€œBreak The Back Of The Regimeā€ - U.S. CRIPPLES Iran In Karaj B1 Bridge Strike


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322

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In this episode, the crew talks about the recent attack on a bridge between Iran and Karaj, Iran, and the recent strike on a U.S. base in Venezuela. They also talk about the implications of the strike and what it means for the future of drone warfare in the region.

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00:00:00.000 The first story I want to get into is what happened with Iran yesterday.
00:00:04.220 A major bridge was hit, and this bridge that we're talking about is a bridge from Tehran
00:00:10.420 on the way to Karaj. Rob, is this it?
00:00:13.440 Yes, sir.
00:00:13.840 Go for it, Rob. Go ahead and show this.
00:00:20.540 I've been over that bridge God knows how many times.
00:00:23.420 Oh, my God.
00:00:24.280 What would you compare it to, like, Brooklyn or George Washington?
00:00:27.740 Well, no, but the point is when my dad would go to Karaj to work,
00:00:30.800 you would go from Tehran.
00:00:32.220 So you're driving back and forth, and, you know, Karaj,
00:00:37.380 you know the way to put Karaj?
00:00:39.400 Karaj is like, imagine you live in L.A., and Karaj is Palm Springs.
00:00:43.440 It's like a, you know, two-hour drive in his Gian.
00:00:47.480 So I don't know what the drive is in a Mercedes or a Porsche,
00:00:50.980 but in his Gian, Gian would go 45 miles an hour.
00:00:53.260 It's probably like an hour and 10-minute drive, hour and 20-minute drive.
00:00:55.900 But that happened yesterday. 95 wounded. Rob, how many killed? I saw number eight. Has that been updated yet?
00:01:03.020 Let me take a look. Last I saw was eight as well.
00:01:05.940 Yeah, last I saw was eight. Tom, what do you think is going on with this?
00:01:10.160 Because when you're hitting something like this strategically, what do you think is behind this?
00:01:15.900 What do you think is behind this attack here?
00:01:17.480 I think they're upping it and hitting these kind of infrastructure targets.
00:01:23.780 They're just trying to break the back of the regime.
00:01:27.140 But this regime doesn't care about its own people.
00:01:29.560 It was happy to slaughter 30,000, 42,000, you know, and then they claimed, oh, only 3,100, which is horrifying in and of itself.
00:01:38.360 No, no, no, we didn't do 3,100.
00:01:39.860 It was only 3,100.
00:01:41.700 Really?
00:01:42.160 That's it?
00:01:42.920 More than 9-11?
00:01:44.140 So that's fine with you?
00:01:45.440 And so I think they're trying to break the back of the regime and they're and they're trying to hit key infrastructure.
00:01:52.260 And I think it's also there's another underlying thing here that, you know, I'm not on board with, but I think this may be part of the strategy.
00:02:01.980 They're trying to get, I think, the people to rise up and to say, we want this done.
00:02:08.060 We this has got to be done. We've got to rise up, too.
00:02:10.520 I think that's where it's going. But this is so different from Venezuela. We only went in and got Maduro. We didn't hit any civilian targets. We wanted to leave the country intact and all the resources intact so the people of Venezuela could come back up and live tomorrow with working power and water, right?
00:02:28.400 There was all that talk about Venezuela. Remember this?
00:02:31.460 And so now this is like, wow, it's civilian targets.
00:02:36.100 But that's what I think, Pat.
00:02:37.060 I think there's two-sided motivation going on here, and I don't like it.
00:02:42.040 And by the way, there's a couple bridges there.
00:02:49.860 The U.S. took responsibility for this one.
00:02:54.120 Yeah, the U.S. just came out and said, we take responsibility for this bridge.
00:02:57.060 that was attacked and the reason why it was an important one is because there's ongoing like
00:03:01.720 there's transport that happens from this bridge to different places with their drone development
00:03:06.920 uh elon what are you at with this so i think the drone development issue is a massive issue which
00:03:11.860 goes much deeper than just this we're gonna have to rearrange the way we've historically fought wars
00:03:16.520 um we you know drones are essentially i hear that too do you guys yeah i hear it but the
00:03:21.660 The recording doesn't air, so you're good.
00:03:25.080 All right.
00:03:25.460 Drones are essentially the new IED.
00:03:27.600 They have to do whatever they can to get rid of them.
00:03:31.360 But the optics of attacking civilian infrastructure,
00:03:36.320 this is an interesting war in the sense that the biggest threat to the U.S.
00:03:40.580 in this war is not just what's happening in Iran,
00:03:42.920 but the general morale of Americans toward the war itself.
00:03:46.440 And as Americans see these kind of things,
00:03:47.980 they tend to get more and more and more distasteful about our actions in the region.
00:03:52.780 So I'm very much on Tom's side on this.
00:03:56.120 It's clearly an escalation.
00:03:57.920 They're clearly going in harder.
00:03:59.120 I think they want this to end quicker.
00:04:01.480 And I think they're in a rock and a hard place, and they're starting to do whatever they can.
00:04:04.560 If this does limit Iran's drone capabilities, for whatever reason, if that was the intent behind it,
00:04:09.400 I think that's the single most absolute necessary thing that the U.S. can do right now.
00:04:14.440 Military bases can be swarmed, which, as we're learning, we don't have very good defenses against them.
00:04:20.640 And it's just an incredibly costly thing.
00:04:22.780 But no one wants to see human life being lost, civilian infrastructure being targeted.
00:04:26.420 And, again, I just want morale to stay high in the United States.
00:04:30.520 I think the people of Iran are screwed.
00:04:33.700 And it's going to get ugly.
00:04:36.940 When Trump laid out his mission for what they wanted to do,
00:04:40.360 the ancillary effects were, let's help the people of Iran. Let's maybe have a regime change.
00:04:47.780 Those are all icing on the cake. I think they laid out what their military objectives were.
00:04:55.420 Did they not? Rubio came out and said it. We're going to eliminate their air force. We're going
00:04:59.180 to eliminate their Navy. We're going to defund their terror network. We're going to stop them
00:05:02.700 from going nuclear. All cleaning up. You can clean up your house internally or clean up outside your
00:05:09.060 house i think united states is basically saying clean up outside your house stop attacking your
00:05:14.080 neighbors stop attacking the gulf states stop attacking israel stop shouting death to america
00:05:18.960 but whatever the hell you sickos want to do inside your house that's on you you want to kill your own
00:05:25.040 people like you do like you do so often unfortunately that's on you that sucks nobody wants
00:05:32.260 death nobody's here saying we want war we want death the people that want death are the irgc
00:05:38.460 they're killing their own people so someone's going to pay the price for uh iran's disgusting
00:05:44.180 ideology and unfortunately it's going to be their own people yeah but i i and adam you just saying
00:05:50.200 that not from like just because i'm hearing it bothers me so much because this whole thing was
00:05:55.960 about the people those thousands of people that on their own it wasn't some bs i saw her so people
00:06:03.500 were there trying to incite no no the iranian people said after 47 years enough is enough and
00:06:09.620 they went there with no freaking weapons bats and sticks and stuff like that and they fought
00:06:14.040 the freaking military okay and and the world finally saw it till they cut off the internet
00:06:18.400 okay did we fight the military or are they doing a peaceful protest no no well it turned into that
00:06:23.700 and then finally by the way and i saw videos of the irgc because iranians hiding their apartments
00:06:28.220 were recording the irgc running and civilians driving over them that's the only weapon that
00:06:34.960 they had you know i mean so what my my thing is this adam the the and i'm gonna keep going back
00:06:40.120 to and i hate to repeat myself i was under the impression like millions of americans that it was
00:06:44.980 for the people we all thought it was for the people i thought the nuclear um capability was
00:06:53.340 destroyed months ago by the way and seymour hirsch pat the journalist who by the way he predicted
00:06:58.060 the iran nuclear bombing back then he predicted the north stream he's the first one that talked
00:07:02.580 about the north stream pipeline he said trump's speech was a ground war announcement he said
00:07:07.700 trump was telling a quote telling the world that the ground war is on as of today navy seals army
00:07:13.900 rangers are either on route or they're going to be in zones within striking range to the strait
00:07:18.140 of hormuz and saying that he could have up to 50 000 fighters ready to clear the strait and dig
00:07:22.380 out enriched uranium from tunnels under the nuclear sites and that's what he's saying and by the way
00:07:26.840 Now we just killed, oh, I'm sorry, seriously injured, Kamal Harazi, who was the lead negotiator.
00:07:34.600 They killed his wife.
00:07:35.680 He's almost going to die.
00:07:36.880 We're taking out people like that.
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00:08:21.420 The optics on that are terrible.
00:08:22.940 The optics are horrible.
00:08:24.440 And then this leads to my thing, Pat, and I'm sorry, guys, I keep going there.
00:08:28.300 When we're like, why do we start this?
00:08:30.000 I get it, and I'm with my mom and dad, our families are from there.
00:08:32.940 It was for the people, but when Rubio said, hey, the reason we hit first,
00:08:36.820 because Israel said, we're going to do it without you,
00:08:38.920 so we went first because we want to protect our interests,
00:08:42.260 those 13 soldiers that died, our soldiers, those weren't ground troops.
00:08:46.120 Those are Americans stationed at those bases dead because think about it.
00:08:51.880 But Marco Rubio said, hey, Israel said they're going, so we had to go.
00:08:57.520 I understand, but there's a very sad reality about the situation with Iran,
00:09:01.240 which is uncomfortable no matter what,
00:09:03.140 which is that they did lie about their nuclear proliferation.
00:09:07.700 You're right.
00:09:08.380 We were told that we destroyed the base with bunker busters.
00:09:12.380 Then they lied about their intermediate-range ballistic missiles.
00:09:14.740 Last summer.
00:09:15.440 You're talking about the hit last summer.
00:09:17.180 B-52s flying over for the first time supporting Israel.
00:09:20.180 which was a very clean strategic military operation that went well but then what we're
00:09:27.120 seeing now in terms of just what iran has shown the world it has shown the world it's willing
00:09:31.080 to enrich uranium past 60 the only country in the entire world with non-nuclear weapons doing that
00:09:37.860 and it's also lying to the u.n watchdogs then what do we see next what's the biggest threat
00:09:41.680 to america from iran arguably not the development of their nuclear power the real threat is the
00:09:47.140 development of their long-range ballistic missile systems which they lied about they lied about it
00:09:52.180 this is a country that's yelling death to america which is enriching uranium well beyond any
00:09:56.700 utilitarian purpose and has now lied about developing long-range ballistic missiles
00:10:00.860 and proved it by literally launching them so as much as we say israel as much as we say this we
00:10:05.400 do not in america have a national infrastructure to defend against ballistic missiles like israel
00:10:11.440 does it's a much smaller landmass they've been exposed to it for decades and what we are in a
00:10:16.980 position to do right now is either fight today i believe and i may be wrong about this or fight in
00:10:21.280 the future when they have this okay but here's my question to you though when we went in on the
00:10:25.560 summer and we bombed their nuclear spots why at that moment just take out everything go for it
00:10:31.660 then why wait now why wait this long because i'm telling you from a military standpoint this oh now
00:10:37.600 we just found out we know everything that's happening over there but we have satellite we
00:10:41.860 have imagery the united states is the we're gangsters bro we know everything so the one
00:10:46.340 thing that bothers me is let me finish my point please is we know where everything is we know
00:10:50.820 where to bomb why in that moment didn't you just take it out because now when you say hey it's for
00:10:55.720 the people now the same people that he's saying they're screwed i hate that attitude because
00:11:00.460 they're sitting there well you're saying they didn't take it out like when when they went and
00:11:03.420 shot the nuclear iPad go all the ballistics let me ask you a question so let's just say we
00:11:09.440 if you remember and i'm trying to recollect what what happened 24 hours later there were rumors
00:11:16.100 that said they didn't hit all the sites.
00:11:18.140 Deep enough.
00:11:18.460 Yeah, yeah.
00:11:18.880 It wasn't deep enough.
00:11:19.760 That's right.
00:11:20.180 And then there were some rumors that they did.
00:11:21.920 And then Trump came out and said, what?
00:11:23.720 No, we hit it.
00:11:24.500 It's destroyed.
00:11:25.080 It's gone.
00:11:25.520 Yeah.
00:11:25.940 So here's the question.
00:11:27.320 What if we didn't?
00:11:28.900 And what if he knew we didn't and they still have it?
00:11:32.920 And if you got that intel, you have two choices.
00:11:36.360 Publicly announced that you screwed up and now a successful mission is bad.
00:11:39.480 Can't do it.
00:11:39.860 And you have to control PR.
00:11:41.140 Yeah.
00:11:41.600 Number two, if you know we didn't go deep enough, what's your recommendation, Mr. Vinny?
00:11:45.840 what should we do strike him again obviously okay so then that's the part that we don't have access
00:11:51.440 to that and i agree with that because i'm not in those rooms that's the point if that's the case
00:11:55.860 knowing trump is very careful on how he controls pr you think trump's going to come out and say we
00:12:02.520 made a mistake we didn't go deep that'll never happen in a million years versus he's going to
00:12:06.360 say we're going to go back and get the job done so you have to assume that that could be i agree
00:12:10.020 one of the possibilities i just want to make an analogy here because what i want from you is
00:12:13.600 clarity because what i know what i love about you is your passion what i'm trying to understand is
00:12:19.760 all right so you're for it you're against it you want to help the people they never said that the
00:12:23.880 number one objective was to help the people that's a that was a product could we find out rob what
00:12:27.960 was the don't hang don't hang those young boys i have your back that was the first one that i heard
00:12:34.700 at them and it wasn't about that that that was before they announced their military campaign
00:12:39.280 they've come out and said here's our objective and we're still being like what's the objective
00:12:44.420 they said rubio said it trump said it destroy their military capabilities defund their terror
00:12:51.160 networks eliminate the nuclear threat regime change is a bonus helping the people is a bonus
00:12:57.480 so here's my that's not the reality of the situation is an iran post-war without regime
00:13:03.700 change results in inevitably the same thing we see again it's like maybe 10 to 15 years maybe even
00:13:08.740 even worse oh my god here's look can i just make a very simple analogy tear it apart get to it
00:13:14.100 iran is a cancer on the world the islamic regime of iran is a cancer on the world okay i agree how
00:13:20.120 do you negotiate with cancer let me give an example you know the story with my ex well you
00:13:23.700 don't kill you don't kill the negotiator that you don't do that you don't know what you're doing
00:13:27.500 right now okay hear me out you're asking why'd we do it we stopped we came back cancer can come back
00:13:32.820 i know my ex-girlfriend got cancer leukemia oh my god this is crazy what are we gonna do she's
00:13:38.700 young she's healthy she's beautiful oh my god what are we gonna do chemo are we not we're gonna do
00:13:43.320 holistic what are we gonna do finally the doctor said listen you have to do chemo the only way to
00:13:49.480 live and survive is to do chemo here's one thing you need to know the chemo could the cancer could
00:13:56.000 come back but that's something we'll deal with at the time what's my point the islamic regime of
00:14:01.780 is a cancer on the world i agree you don't defeat cancer by being like hey can we be friends
00:14:08.360 can we negotiate can you please be nice it's coming to kill you whether it's killing you
00:14:13.600 today or killing you next week or killing you next year it's going to kill you yeah but what
00:14:18.740 about the body that the cancer is and you don't just kill like what about the person the people
00:14:23.340 adam you can't just go in because the mission wasn't what they said that the mission was going
00:14:27.640 to be it's confusing what you're doing is is is negotiating how to handle cancer you have to
00:14:33.440 eliminate it that's it there's no further conversation other than we have to remove
00:14:38.900 the cancer but adam you can't you can't abandon all ethics at the argument of we have to destroy
00:14:45.080 this thing you become your ethics these people have no i understand they're trying to kill you
00:14:48.640 but there's still there's still so i understand both sides of this argument sometimes there's
00:14:52.100 not a we're not killing their people they're killing them i i just i believe that sometimes
00:14:56.880 there isn't a happy ending right so and i understand that argument that there's a terrible
00:15:01.240 situation you're trying to find a solution to it neither solution is great that's the situation
00:15:05.840 we're in with iran it's hard for people to accept that reality but the end reality here also is you
00:15:11.660 cannot come into a situation appealing to the american public it's just an a reality of politics
00:15:16.700 and wars despite what people believe do need political backing you do need your population
00:15:21.760 to be behind you and you can't come into a war expressing certain things like you're going to
00:15:26.500 take care of the Iranian people that you're not going to allow hangings that you're going to do
00:15:30.400 these things and then leave them abandoned it's very much by the way akin to what we saw in
00:15:35.460 Afghanistan with Biden leaving and then the you know seeing the massive tragedy that happened
00:15:39.740 there you just can't do those kind of things even if you can get away with it let me ask you this
00:15:44.200 I asked this question yesterday with Richard Werner and and Luke Orman is is is Trump in a
00:15:50.860 position right now where there's no way he can win because if he gets out you know hey iran won
00:15:58.840 and guess how iran's going to do in the public eye they're always going to say well we know iran
00:16:03.680 won underestimated iran won iran won iran won iran won and that guy the foreign minister
00:16:09.200 the guy that we always see on tv at agarchi agarchi rob a boss he's going to be a hero okay
00:16:16.300 So that's one.
00:16:17.200 Number two, you pursue it, you finish it.
00:16:20.080 You think it's going to be done in a few weeks?
00:16:21.720 No.
00:16:22.180 So then that's going to be a long war.
00:16:23.640 So what is win for him?
00:16:25.800 So he's stuck in a rock and a hard place, even just with oil prices.
00:16:28.980 I don't think there's winning for him, to be honest with you.
00:16:30.580 Well, what I'll answer is sometimes it's okay to be hated today,
00:16:34.040 to realize down the path you were right.
00:16:36.320 I agree.
00:16:36.800 And I think that's his situation.
00:16:38.120 Do you think he has the patience to be able to do that,
00:16:43.420 knowing the amount of pressure he has with World Cup and midterms around the corner?
00:16:46.920 I think Trump is the kind of guy who will not just back out just due to his ego alone.
00:16:53.000 So now, if he leaves today, if he leaves today, and Iran goes back to what they're doing,
00:17:02.260 Iran is always going to say, we defeated Trump.
00:17:07.120 They're going to say that forever.
00:17:09.240 We defeated Trump, and there's nothing you can say about it.
00:17:12.540 He's not going to be okay with that.
00:17:13.680 Number two, Americans, if he continues, if the gas prices continue this way until April 15th,
00:17:20.840 and we had Luke Gorman and Richard Warner on, if this continues this way,
00:17:25.880 now you have a global recession take place.
00:17:28.900 Now this becomes COVID 2.0, like in its own way.
00:17:32.800 Now, you know, Richard, who was the godfather of quantitative easing,
00:17:37.020 comes out and says, don't be surprised if there's talks of quantitative easing
00:17:41.880 in the next few months.
00:17:43.300 So imagine now the government comes out and says,
00:17:45.280 we've got to bail ourselves out for this war.
00:17:47.820 Hexat asks for $200 billion.
00:17:50.080 They do quantitative easing, and they take out a trillion,
00:17:52.640 trillion and a half, and that's going to be, you know,
00:17:55.220 going buying bad debt from banks and trying to get that money
00:17:57.860 to get back into the marketplace so they can manipulate the market
00:18:00.300 to be okay again.
00:18:02.000 Where is the win here?
00:18:03.740 Where is the win, Tom?
00:18:04.680 Where do you see the win here?
00:18:05.760 I don't think there is, and I think people have to look back at history
00:18:08.300 and understand what happened here because Bill Clinton screwed up.
00:18:11.880 He screwed up on North Korea in 1994.
00:18:15.060 There's a very, very large body of work that was written about this called the Seoul hostage problem.
00:18:21.480 Seoul, South Korea was held hostage because North Korea had such a stockpile of conventional weapons that they threatened to rain them down on Seoul if we attacked, I think it was called the Yongbyon, Yongbyon, something like that, a reactor.
00:18:39.440 And Clinton was told by the military, if we don't hit and we don't do something here,
00:18:45.080 North Korea becomes a nuclear power, and it's run by a crazy man.
00:18:50.320 You can't do this.
00:18:52.140 That's what he has in common.
00:18:53.620 He doesn't care about his own people.
00:18:54.940 He'll let them starve to death.
00:18:56.200 He'll torture them.
00:18:57.400 Gee, sounds like the IRGC.
00:18:59.520 And so Bill Clinton backed off in 1994, and we ended up with a nuclear North Korea.
00:19:06.540 That's what happened.
00:19:08.340 Japan was pissed about it.
00:19:10.500 They knew there was going to be issues because they saw themselves as the second victim.
00:19:14.320 They said it's not just going to be South Korea if they get some nukes.
00:19:17.560 It's now going to be us because we are – they referred to themselves.
00:19:21.000 Japan called themselves the Western target because they are seen as a Western country.
00:19:25.060 He said, listen, they're going to hit us because when they hit us, it's like hitting the U.S. economy because of all the trade with Japan.
00:19:31.580 So what North Korea – it's a point you're making, Tom.
00:19:33.800 I don't want you to get off the point.
00:19:35.600 North Korea is to Japan what Iran is to Israel.
00:19:40.220 That's right.
00:19:40.540 Is that a fair assessment?
00:19:41.480 That's right.
00:19:41.920 And Iran is dropping conventional weapons on Qatar.
00:19:45.580 Why are they dropping them on their Arab brethren?
00:19:47.600 No, they're not.
00:19:48.240 They're dropping them on people who are half friends or friends with the USA,
00:19:52.100 trying to get those friends to speak up and say,
00:19:54.520 Trump, make him stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop what you're doing.
00:19:58.200 That's what they're doing.
00:19:59.240 They stockpiled the drones and the conventional to give them the shield of deterrence
00:20:03.620 so they could finish their nuclear ambitions.
00:20:06.400 And now it goes to like this.
00:20:08.420 You know, comments are going to hit me about AIPAC and everything like this.
00:20:12.640 I am not on that page and not on that conspiracy page at all with me at all.
00:20:17.260 But I will tell you this.
00:20:19.800 Give every weapon imaginable to Iran, Israel's gone in a week.
00:20:26.920 Give every weapon imaginable to Israel, nothing happens.
00:20:31.780 take every weapon away from Israel, Israel's gone in a week.
00:20:35.540 So you just play the chess game out in the Middle East
00:20:37.760 and see what the outcome is here and what they're trying to do.
00:20:41.100 I hate this war. I hate what's happening.
00:20:43.260 I hate the loss of life.
00:20:44.360 But we need to look back.
00:20:45.800 And the reason we have a crazy man with nukes in North Korea
00:20:49.660 is because the Clinton administration, led by Bill, he's got to own it,
00:20:53.560 and the people around him chickened out.
00:20:56.340 So this is where I go, though, Tom.
00:20:58.580 and this is the sequencing of what you said and what you said
00:21:02.320 and the question I ask leads me to this.
00:21:05.080 Sometimes you know what you have to do as a leader.
00:21:07.080 Sometimes you sit there as a leader, you look at everybody,
00:21:10.520 and you have this camp that doesn't agree with this decision,
00:21:14.300 and you have this camp that doesn't agree with that decision.
00:21:17.220 And this is the worst place to be as a leader.
00:21:20.380 Worst place to be as a leader.
00:21:21.960 You have to sit there, and you know what I need to do?
00:21:24.480 Turn off the phone, Tom, okay?
00:21:26.620 turn off the computer, turn off everybody,
00:21:30.540 get the hell away from everybody, and ask yourself,
00:21:33.740 you were selected, you were elected to be the president.
00:21:36.880 With all the information you have right now,
00:21:39.560 what do you think is the right thing to do?
00:21:41.540 Not what the right thing is to do politically to win midterms.
00:21:45.120 Not what the right thing to do is financially
00:21:47.920 that's going to benefit your pockets.
00:21:50.040 What is the right thing for you to do long-term as a president?
00:21:53.960 There's only one person that has the answer to this question, and it's him.
00:21:57.980 He's in such a cornered place as a leader with the amount of burden he's carrying today,
00:22:05.340 and he knows what Clintons did with North Korea.
00:22:09.800 He knows the history of what other people did in the decision.
00:22:12.100 He knows that Obama gave him how many pallets of cash that none of it went to what they said they were going to do.
00:22:19.560 He knows the reason why Iran became so powerful is because of Obama.
00:22:22.780 He knows that.
00:22:23.700 He knows that this whole thing that why Iran is able to stand tall
00:22:27.580 and, you know, push people around is because Obama funded this war
00:22:31.260 indirectly from whatever the year was, 08, I don't know what year.
00:22:34.580 $1.7 billion.
00:22:36.180 He funded what we're saying.
00:22:38.220 Exactly.
00:22:38.600 He knows all of this stuff.
00:22:40.700 He knows it.
00:22:41.840 He knows all of it.
00:22:43.080 So guess what?
00:22:44.100 What do you want to do?
00:22:45.260 Here's the risk.
00:22:46.660 Make the decision.
00:22:47.760 Move forward.
00:22:48.640 This is not the place.
00:22:49.800 Like, you know, Humberto, we're talking, and what was it?
00:22:52.880 Hey, Rob, bad news is what?
00:22:56.800 In the afternoon, good news in the morning?
00:22:58.940 You know, the whole thing with the good news, bad news?
00:23:00.780 Humberto, you want to text me that conversation that we were having?
00:23:02.940 Did I say it correctly?
00:23:04.400 On the formatting, right?
00:23:05.860 Okay, so guess what?
00:23:08.020 He can't be the PR guy right now.
00:23:11.620 You can't think Apprentice Trump right now.
00:23:14.660 You can't think Twitter Trump right now.
00:23:17.200 You have to think General Commander-in-Chief Trump right now.
00:23:22.700 That's how you have to think.
00:23:24.020 And based on that, go ahead.
00:23:26.040 By the way, whatever you choose to do, whatever Trump chooses to do, guess what's going to happen?
00:23:32.280 He'll be criticized.
00:23:33.660 Whatever, there is nothing he can do right here by the media and the tensions being high.
00:23:39.720 However, once it's solved and we move on, history books will write about it.
00:23:44.920 And by the time he gets credit for this or not, it'll be 20 years from now, he won't be around to be able to read it.
00:23:50.860 Do you understand what I just said?
00:23:52.260 When he gets credit for the decision he makes today, it'll be 2046 and he'll probably not be alive.
00:23:58.300 You know, there's two things there that I'll just back that up 100% with Pat.
00:24:02.500 As Harry Truman said, at the height of crisis, it was a longer statement he made,
00:24:08.080 but the quote that gets repeated by Harry Truman is,
00:24:11.380 Some questions cannot be answered, but they can be decided, and I was elected to decide them.
00:24:16.680 Yeah, I just want to encourage him to get back and say, out of all the, you know, he's a what do you think, what do you think, what do you think guy?
00:24:26.060 This is not the what do you think time.
00:24:27.820 This is a time, what do you think?
00:24:29.600 Yeah, an act.
00:24:30.760 Go do it.
00:24:31.440 Can I just touch on Tom's point really quick about a nuclear Iran, how it's different than a nuclear Korea?
00:24:37.680 It's fundamentally different.
00:24:38.780 Number one, you're looking at a nuclear Iran will lead to a nuclear Saudi Arabia.
00:24:42.040 All the countries in the region will want to have nuclear power.
00:24:44.640 And then you have a bunch of...
00:24:45.660 They feel they have to.
00:24:46.700 They will have to for self-preservation.
00:24:48.660 But this points to the next big issue, which is different than North Korea,
00:24:51.860 which is that these people don't have a sense of self-preservation.
00:24:55.080 So it's a different ideology.
00:24:57.560 I try and make people understand this as much as possible.
00:25:00.360 People see a nuclear Iran.
00:25:01.900 You see guys out there saying, no, no, they have incentive to not use their nukes.
00:25:06.040 Actually, it's the opposite.
00:25:07.040 it according to their ideology they have incentive to use their nukes so you can't just look at it
00:25:12.380 and say it's comparable to north korea because north korea does have a sense of self-preservation
00:25:17.180 at the least and that's the largest deciding factor in how dangerous you are when you have
00:25:21.200 a world-ending weapon so i just think that's something that people have to really say you're
00:25:26.300 using conventional weapons to create this this this deterrence to give you a blanket and a cloud
00:25:32.900 so you can finish your nuclear ambitions.
00:25:34.600 100%, yes.
00:25:35.140 Well, once those ambitions are done,
00:25:37.220 yeah, the character of the two bad actors is different.
00:25:42.580 Yes.
00:25:43.020 But it's the same problem going in.
00:25:45.280 100%, agree with you, yeah.
00:25:46.800 Yes, there's an ideology problem.
00:25:48.180 They're jihadists.
00:25:49.700 But just like in real estate, location, location, location.
00:25:53.300 No, Korea is in the other end of the world.
00:25:55.200 Nobody was worried about North Korea.
00:25:57.360 Iran is in the middle of the world.
00:26:00.960 And Diego Garcia went to high school with Diego Garcia.
00:26:05.280 Apparently that's a base that we share with the UK.
00:26:09.100 Did they not shoot a missile that way that can hit it?
00:26:11.680 Is it not also in the range of all of Europe?
00:26:14.340 So to me, it's a hostage situation.
00:26:17.380 They have the Middle East and they have the world hostage.
00:26:20.560 And we're saying, well, what do we want to do with the terrorists?
00:26:24.300 What do we want to do with these people?
00:26:27.340 And I just want to reframe one thing.
00:26:30.000 I think we're winning.
00:26:32.100 Like, we're having a conversation of, like, wow, there's no win situation.
00:26:35.680 We're going to lose this.
00:26:37.160 Show me how we're losing.
00:26:39.020 Respect to the fallen soldiers.
00:26:40.720 I mean, God bless.
00:26:41.440 There's two different victories.
00:26:42.580 Okay, but we're winning right now.
00:26:44.320 There's a victory.
00:26:44.720 There's no way Iran can say that they're winning.
00:26:46.520 There's a victory, and there's a PR victory.
00:26:48.820 PR, he's losing.
00:26:50.180 And he is so concerned sometimes about PR that it gets him to make the decision.
00:26:54.740 So he's a guy that pays attention to PR a lot.
00:26:57.620 A lot.
00:26:58.640 So PR is losing.
00:27:01.900 This is not at the levels of, you know,
00:27:07.140 there's two things right now that the way they're losing PR,
00:27:10.260 it's this and Epstein, okay, those two.
00:27:13.160 But PR-wise, they're losing.
00:27:14.840 They could be winning behind closed doors.
00:27:16.760 But on the PR side, there's not a winning with this war here.
00:27:21.140 Not short-term, in my opinion.
00:27:23.240 Not short-term, but long-term.
00:27:25.020 It's an investment.
00:27:26.260 So if you ever look at, do you have a 401k?
00:27:30.600 It's a weird analogy when we use it.
00:27:33.020 Your 401k, you can't touch for 40 years.
00:27:35.340 You're not going to see the benefit of it.
00:27:37.360 But I look at my 401k that I started when I was dead.
00:27:40.140 This is actually, you know what's a better analogy, Adam?
00:27:42.020 It's the business you and I are in, which is what?
00:27:44.340 The life settlements insurance business.
00:27:45.740 Life insurance business.
00:27:46.640 This is not even a 401k.
00:27:47.940 Yeah.
00:27:48.280 Because, you know, who does life insurance depend?
00:27:50.080 The future generation.
00:27:51.160 Is life insurance for you?
00:27:53.040 No.
00:27:53.260 I think this is life insurance for American people long-term,
00:27:56.340 but you never get credit for it until you're dead.
00:27:57.920 And you're never going to see it short-term.
00:27:59.640 That's what I'm getting at.
00:28:00.480 But what I'm saying is, everything was, and I'm going to move on.
00:28:03.200 I don't want to stay on this topic.
00:28:04.160 I want to move on to the next story.
00:28:05.080 We've got a lot of good stories to get through.
00:28:07.060 What I'm saying is, he needs to just go make the decision and stick to it.
00:28:13.520 And make your adjustments.
00:28:14.880 Trust your instinct.
00:28:16.420 You're going to have a lot of noise that's coming your way.
00:28:18.320 You're not going to win the PR war here.
00:28:20.320 You're not.
00:28:21.140 You're not going to win the PR war here.
00:28:22.560 You have access to the information, make the decision, move forward, and let the criticism drop.
00:28:27.360 And the way this world works, stories go.
00:28:31.200 They come and go.
00:28:32.000 Oh, yeah.
00:28:32.360 They come and go.
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