Valuetainment - April 21, 2026


“Bring Back The Firing Squad” - Idaho Signs Death Penalty For Pedophiles Into Law


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00:00:00.000 Idaho governor signs into law child sex abuse death penalty bill despite U.S. Supreme Court ruling.
00:00:10.760 So, while you're supporting the Idaho legislature, the bill is likely to face constitutional challenges.
00:00:16.020 Lawmakers acknowledge, but they are hopeful law will prevail.
00:00:19.540 Now, look at the date there.
00:00:20.460 If you look at the date, what's the date?
00:00:21.740 March 27th.
00:00:22.620 So, let me read this to you on what this is really all about and what it means and how different this is than everywhere else.
00:00:29.080 Okay, so this is called the House Bill 380, Governor Brad Little, okay, in regards to death penalty for a new offense called aggravated lewd conduct with a child aged 12 years or younger.
00:00:45.960 This covers certain severe sexual abuse cases against very young children under 12, but only if the case meets at least three of the 17 specific aggravated factors, okay?
00:00:56.740 Multiple incidents, use of force, causing injury, transmitting a disease, et cetera, et cetera. 0.55
00:01:01.440 If that happens, Idaho made, you ready for this?
00:01:06.260 Firing squad.
00:01:07.520 Oh, my God.
00:01:08.160 The state's primary method of execution, effective around mid-2026, replacing the lethal injection as the default due to drug shortages.
00:01:20.600 Firing squad.
00:01:22.160 Okay, Vinny, firing squad.
00:01:24.380 The lawmaking firing squad permit method takes into effect July 1st of 2026.
00:01:29.120 Before that day, the state cannot use it as a default,
00:01:31.940 and executions overall have been paused while the prison builds
00:01:35.620 and prepares a new firing squad facility.
00:01:38.840 They're building a firing squad facility for folks like the construction
00:01:44.460 and training are still underway.
00:01:46.240 What kind of training are you going to need for this?
00:01:48.020 You know, what is the training?
00:01:49.660 Aim or the front side is.
00:01:50.860 Idaho has not carried out any execution by any method since June of 2012.
00:01:55.500 The last attempt was in 2024 on Thomas Creech,
00:01:58.700 failed due to inability to establish lines for lethal injection.
00:02:03.860 There are currently about eight or nine people on Idaho's death row,
00:02:07.760 all sentenced under the new old rules, primarily for aggravated first-degree murder.
00:02:12.760 No new death sentences in the 2025 child sex abuse,
00:02:16.860 HB Law 380
00:02:18.900 have resulted in an execution yet
00:02:20.960 and none could because it's going
00:02:22.880 through it. But can you imagine if all of a
00:02:24.940 sudden, once this passes, July,
00:02:27.500 somebody does something in Idaho.
00:02:29.760 Public execution?
00:02:32.080 Rob, when is the
00:02:32.880 last time America even had a public
00:02:34.720 execution? Was it 70s?
00:02:37.080 Early 80s? No, I don't think it's been public.
00:02:39.440 I think
00:02:39.760 executions have been
00:02:42.620 closed.
00:02:44.220 These guys are talking about public
00:02:46.680 execution so Tom I'm going to come to you
00:02:48.860 first what are your thoughts on this because we've been reading
00:02:50.880 by the way I saw a story
00:02:52.380 I don't even want to read this story to you it's so
00:02:54.800 disturbing honestly parents if you're watching this
00:02:56.760 I'm just going to tell you do me a favor
00:02:58.900 and don't
00:03:00.740 take a pause on this side
00:03:02.960 to not show
00:03:04.960 it did you see about the girl
00:03:06.600 on Snapchat what she
00:03:08.700 was willing to do with her daughter
00:03:10.160 did you see what happened to this lady Rob do you have that
00:03:12.720 clip I do okay parents
00:03:14.120 I'm telling you right now to parents
00:03:16.660 Don't have your kids watch this next section.
00:03:18.300 Let me just read this, Rob.
00:03:19.440 Okay.
00:03:19.860 Oh, it's a clip that you have.
00:03:20.720 Play the clip, Rob.
00:03:21.420 Play the clip.
00:03:22.260 Okay, and then I'll read the news.
00:03:23.280 Watch this.
00:03:25.780 You don't have audio?
00:03:28.480 Okay, they're just showing the clip of who she is. 1.00
00:03:30.080 Okay, so here's a lady. 0.99
00:03:31.040 They have the message. 1.00
00:03:31.560 Now, let me read that.
00:03:32.300 Let me read the message, Rob.
00:03:33.480 Okay?
00:03:34.760 Indiana mom of seven accused of, Rob, I can't see the top, 0.74
00:03:38.060 offering her seven-month-old daughter for sex to a man on Snapchat
00:03:41.880 in exchange for $400. 0.70
00:03:43.380 Unbelievable.
00:03:44.260 32-year-old Morgan Stapp denied sending the message,
00:03:46.760 but police said it was sent from her phone at her home.
00:03:49.160 Stapp reported sent three photos of her infant daughter with the message,
00:03:52.340 you can, for $400, half now, rest later, I'll send my address.
00:03:56.680 I do live alone, and her dad is not in the picture.
00:03:59.680 Snapchat flagged the message, sent it to the authorities.
00:04:01.840 Ten days later, the FBI agent arrived at her home.
00:04:03.880 She was booked into Marion County Jail on July 8th,
00:04:07.100 held for a $100,000 bill.
00:04:08.700 What should happen to this person?
00:04:11.120 You're still not believing this, Rob.
00:04:12.780 Can you, while we're doing this, can you, because I went and looked at Gronk
00:04:15.820 to see other people saying, is this a true story?
00:04:18.140 And at the bottom, you find it.
00:04:20.240 You see, look at this.
00:04:21.680 This is People magazine. 0.53
00:04:24.100 Mom of seven arrested.
00:04:25.480 What should happen to somebody like this?
00:04:27.840 Pat, the fact that, first of all, I want everybody to.
00:04:30.260 Facing 10 to 30 years in prison, if convicted of the level two felony.
00:04:34.980 I want people to understand, like, seven months old,
00:04:38.840 and this is the part that should really, really bother everybody.
00:04:41.400 Do you think this was the first time she did it?
00:04:43.740 Do you think this was her first time that she's had somebody come?
00:04:47.280 I really pray to God.
00:04:49.180 Well, what I'm saying is that's God.
00:04:52.120 This is when you catch the people.
00:04:55.220 And, like, you know how I feel with anything that has to do with children.
00:04:59.900 You know, Matthew, I always bring up Matthew 18, verse 6.
00:05:03.460 It's one of the worst things that God says if you cause any of these young ones to stumble.
00:05:10.120 Besides, go take a millstone around your neck and throw it into the deepest part of the ocean. 0.92
00:05:14.520 This is horrible. 0.83
00:05:15.680 Hartman also found 7,000 messages had been sent on October 29th and November 1st.
00:05:21.380 7,003 days.
00:05:23.180 Said the affidavit, including 81 that said, would you be interested in buying my nudes so I can get baby diapers?
00:05:29.260 Okay.
00:05:29.440 So now, go back to the public execution, Tom, in Idaho and where they're going with this.
00:05:35.480 Just look at Tom's face right now, how annoyed he is with the story.
00:05:39.420 Go ahead, Tom.
00:05:40.140 What's on your mind?
00:05:41.580 Well, let's break this thing into two parts.
00:05:46.320 I have no problem with due process and legal precedent being put forth to put on the books the law that says that these types of crimes would be subject to capital punishment.
00:06:04.860 Guess what?
00:06:05.500 The states have states' rights.
00:06:06.780 And so Idaho says, OK, we find this crime to be so horrible that we're going to put it in this category and it's going to be public execution.
00:06:17.580 You know what? I'm in favor of it because I believe there needs to be for certain things.
00:06:24.080 There needs to be a deterrent above deterrence.
00:06:27.820 There has to be something that is so deterrent that that it is so above that causes people to think twice.
00:06:35.540 We've talked about what happens in the Middle East when you commit a crime, they cut off a finger or even a hand.
00:06:42.260 If the theft is heavy enough, you take off a hand. 0.98
00:06:46.860 So now your brother walks around town with one hand and says, yeah, was that pre-snickers worth it?
00:06:51.800 No, right?
00:06:53.440 We're not joking here.
00:06:54.460 That's the way they do it.
00:06:55.300 But guess what happened to petty theft and things? 0.83
00:06:57.600 Middle East, it goes down because the deterrence is there.
00:07:01.340 i i'm fine with going through the process let the voters put it on there test it and put it on his
00:07:08.520 law and i'm fine about it now public execution i think that's a little morbid uh but uh because
00:07:16.040 normally the executions have been you know careful very um carefully managed things
00:07:22.900 prisoner comes in he's put on the bed the doctors come there they inspect there's a lot of things
00:07:28.240 we do to do things quickly and humanely. I don't know how a grandstand, you know, for public
00:07:36.560 inspection, I think there's a little morbidity to that. And I think kind of sometimes the wrong
00:07:41.700 people would be there. But would I want the execution to be available for public review
00:07:48.700 in a certain way? Yes, I would. I have no issue with it. Now, this woman, she's doing all this
00:07:56.020 for money is she destitute is she an addict what is going on here because we have to save the kids 1.00
00:08:02.340 from her yeah and now we have to find a way to get this child get the child either put up for
00:08:08.460 adoption put in foster care in a safe loving you know encouraging and learning environment 0.54
00:08:14.420 because this woman is defective and by the way what's lost in here he didn't talk about 0.58
00:08:20.680 thank you to whatever was going on snapchat that they actually had a filter in place because 0.51
00:08:26.000 a lot of criticisms on social media is like oh it's not our responsibility not our thing
00:08:31.840 something happened there at snapchat so that that's a footnote that's just a footnote it's
00:08:36.320 like by the way the the last time we had a public execution in u.s was august 14th 1936
00:08:43.760 in owensboro kentucky was a public hanging yeah attended by thousands of spectators
00:08:50.420 attended by thousands of spectators after that event states rapidly moved executions behind
00:08:57.400 prison walls due to backlash and concerns about spectacle and disorder yeah so i'm on that well
00:09:03.960 you know what i will say about what you were talking about at the current i think you do
00:09:08.480 i mean this is this is a difficult one because i'm one of those people when it comes to things
00:09:12.300 like this i'm like anything i'm okay if the family gets to do whatever they want to the person and
00:09:17.760 like keep them like i have really you talk about morbid i'm not like i i'm okay with virtually
00:09:22.820 anything like my brain just says listen if that was my kid and someone did something to my kid or
00:09:28.080 that was someone i love deeply and they there's no limit i'm in favor of victim witnesses yes
00:09:33.320 but i think 10 000 people i'll tell you why no i'll tell you why because shame and and the
00:09:39.420 deterrent you're talking about it needs to almost be seen by everyone it needs to be like this could
00:09:44.560 be you if you're one of these people's thinking about doing this and if they see it it's a lot
00:09:48.640 different than being told we'll do this to you you know there's the visual imagery of it happening
00:09:53.080 in the because there is like there's a certain degree of like i would imagine shame from just
00:09:57.600 being publicly there and being executed someone watching this would be like i don't want to
00:10:01.820 have that happen to me um i i don't know i can't i can't say i'm against it adam
00:10:07.100 this is a tough one because emotionally if something happened to you or anyone you know
00:10:13.340 I'm right there with you bro
00:10:14.820 but I think what Tom's talking about
00:10:17.380 the eye for eye was called Hammurabi's Code
00:10:19.220 I think that actually took place in
00:10:21.300 your neck of the woods in Babylon
00:10:23.060 or Babylonia or Syria
00:10:24.560 but there's a reason that we have the US
00:10:27.500 justice system, the legal system
00:10:29.660 and law and order and there must be
00:10:31.640 a reason that we haven't had
00:10:33.040 public executions since
00:10:35.580 what year? 1930 something?
00:10:37.220 1936. Okay so it's almost 100 years
00:10:39.480 since we do that so the emotional side
00:10:41.520 of me is like string them up like in the old west but the legal framework america you know
00:10:49.240 the foundation it's probably like maybe we pump the brakes on this a little bit now in america i
00:10:54.740 want to say you can fact check this there's no death penalty you talk about public execution
00:10:59.460 no death penalty for non um death crimes for non-homicide crimes so you do these sexual things 0.66
00:11:08.960 horrible disgusting you there's no death penalty for that according to the u.s law you can fact
00:11:14.860 check that however if you're not going to do that publicly let's come cut something off publicly 0.99
00:11:22.020 we don't i'm not going to kill him publicly but okay with that that's a good alternative let's 1.00
00:11:26.740 sit him out there in public oh you want to rape little kids okay we can't kill you but we're 1.00
00:11:32.280 going to bring you out in public cut his ankle and we're going to chop it off i'm all right with 1.00
00:11:35.700 We're going to guillotine that thing. 0.99
00:11:37.420 Let's find a middle ground here. 0.78
00:11:38.980 So let me show you this one here.
00:11:41.400 David P. Phillips examined 22 highly publicized executions in London, 1858 to 1921,
00:11:47.280 and reported that homicides dropped roughly 35% in the two weeks after each execution.
00:11:51.940 There you go.
00:11:52.400 And another study titled Execution Publicity and Homicide in South Carolina
00:11:56.080 similarly reported that months with publicized executions had a 17.5% fewer homicides
00:12:02.540 than months without publicized executions.
00:12:05.700 So it is a huge deterrent.
00:12:07.900 And there was a book written by someone that explained one city went extreme,
00:12:13.280 the other city didn't, and the other city that there's a very,
00:12:16.640 this is a very, very heavy debated topic that goes back and forth
00:12:20.760 that some people think grace is necessary, that second chances, third chances.
00:12:25.800 But to me, when you get to this point, something like this, different story.
00:12:29.060 What did they do in Idaho?
00:12:30.140 They said, was it a three-strike rule?
00:12:31.680 No, it had to be three out of the 17.
00:12:33.640 It had to be 3 out of the 17 if it's like you transferred sexually transmitted disease.
00:12:40.940 I think the other one was multiple incidents, use of force, causing injury.
00:12:46.300 There's multiple factors.
00:12:47.800 If you have at least 3 of the 17, then they're saying that could lead to a public execution if the child is 12 years or younger.
00:12:55.040 I like that.
00:12:55.600 But, by the way, is this 3 strikes you're out or 3 of 17 the first time?
00:12:58.820 No, it could be 3 of 17.
00:13:00.240 again multiple incidents to them considers as one of the 17 factors it's like the test
00:13:05.880 punishment was it premeditated was it a revenge was it lay in wait you know all those things that
00:13:11.620 they do that says if you check the boxes then it becomes a capital punishment case that's what
00:13:16.540 they're doing yeah let me know it's so rare for these offenses to be a one-time thing anyway exactly