Valuetainment - June 15, 2025


＂Called Me Cement Feet＂ - Metta World Peace REVEALS Phil Jackson's STRANGE Way To Motivate Champions


Episode Stats

Length

8 minutes

Words per Minute

208.23726

Word Count

1,746

Sentence Count

191

Misogynist Sentences

1


Summary

In this episode, Kobe and Shaquille O'Neal talk about their relationship with Phil Jackson, Kobe's relationship with Shaq and his relationship with Kobe Bryant, and how they became the first black players to play for the Los Angeles Lakers.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 We did have one incident where Kobe was playing very well.
00:00:04.680 He was getting under my skin.
00:00:06.200 Phil Jackson was getting under my skin.
00:00:08.500 And then I was telling the team, I said, you know, last year,
00:00:12.360 if Yao Ming didn't break his foot, I said, we would have beat all of y'all.
00:00:16.920 Right?
00:00:17.480 And then Phil was like, calm down, Ronnie.
00:00:19.500 And I'm like, we not calming down until I say we calm.
00:00:22.480 I was just disrupting him.
00:00:24.320 You're saying this to Phil Jackson.
00:00:25.500 Yeah, yeah.
00:00:26.120 But Phil can take heat.
00:00:28.020 Because Phil gives heat, by the way.
00:00:29.220 And Phil gives heat.
00:00:31.220 And he can take it.
00:00:32.480 One of the few coaches that can take it.
00:00:33.900 A lot of coaches can't take what Phil can take.
00:00:35.720 So you're saying this.
00:00:36.780 So he says, calm down, Ronnie.
00:00:38.260 What is Kobe saying?
00:00:39.580 Kobe's just watching.
00:00:40.920 Because I think what was happening, too, Kobe wanted to –
00:00:43.740 I think I came to practice one day, but I wasn't as –
00:00:45.820 What year is this?
00:00:46.520 What's the –
00:00:47.180 This is 2010.
00:00:48.180 I want to know who the roster is.
00:00:49.300 Keep going.
00:00:49.680 I'm listening.
00:00:50.060 Yes, I think, like, I came to practice, but maybe I wasn't as intense.
00:00:53.400 And I think Kobe wanted to push my button.
00:00:55.580 Because Kobe, I seen him snickering in the back when I was going at Phil.
00:00:58.560 And he was like –
00:01:00.260 So I think Kobe was, like, actually –
00:01:02.840 Enjoying the process.
00:01:03.820 Yeah, enjoying the process.
00:01:05.520 But that was the only day where, like, you know, where we addressed –
00:01:09.380 I just got – I just came from the Rockets, and now I'm here.
00:01:12.040 We never talked about that.
00:01:13.160 They beat us, but we was the only team to take them to seven.
00:01:15.160 They went through everybody that year.
00:01:18.580 You know, the championship game was the Rockets versus the Lakers, basically.
00:01:21.880 That year.
00:01:22.220 Yeah, I mean, listen.
00:01:23.280 If it was a different story, yeah.
00:01:24.820 So you're saying this to Phil.
00:01:26.640 You're saying Phil also knows how to bring the heat.
00:01:28.480 Yeah, Phil brings heat.
00:01:28.900 I talked to Shaq one time where, you know, Shaq and Kobe –
00:01:33.220 I'm asking both of them about the relationship with Phil.
00:01:36.900 And there's a story once I read about the fact that Shaq sat both of them down
00:01:41.360 and said, hey, you guys think you guys got a big ego?
00:01:43.680 I got a bigger ego than both of you guys have combined, right?
00:01:46.120 Saying something like that.
00:01:47.020 And whether that happened or not, who knows.
00:01:48.380 What was different about his style of leadership than other coaches you had?
00:01:53.680 You know, Phil – I mean, he's an energy guy.
00:01:58.240 He's a Buddhist.
00:01:59.120 He's Zen master.
00:02:00.640 He's an energy guy.
00:02:02.700 And I think a lot of the times he's just – he's nurturing your energy.
00:02:09.460 He's centering your energy.
00:02:12.520 You know, he has a plate, a triangle.
00:02:14.800 But the triangle is nothing but a set.
00:02:16.260 The triangle is nothing but staying in your spot.
00:02:19.080 And he's on – you see Phil, he's just sitting there the whole time.
00:02:21.920 Where all the coaches are like, hey, go here, go here, go here.
00:02:24.980 So Phil's letting you get out of your own issues.
00:02:27.120 He's letting you solve your own problems.
00:02:29.100 Yeah, he wasn't the guy that would say, time out, let's go, boom, boom.
00:02:32.220 No.
00:02:32.920 And it would say, you'd watch the game.
00:02:34.680 And the opposition would score six points back to back to back.
00:02:38.420 Yeah.
00:02:38.900 And you would hear – what's his name?
00:02:41.060 The old guy, Chick Hearn, you know, or whoever it was, Stu Lance.
00:02:44.220 Because I used to live in L.A., so I would –
00:02:46.000 Broadcasters.
00:02:47.000 Broadcasters, yeah.
00:02:47.640 Color commentators.
00:02:48.280 And he would say, Phil is not even getting up.
00:02:50.340 Why don't you just sit there and just watch him as he's like –
00:02:51.980 is he even thinking about it?
00:02:53.040 He would let you fail.
00:02:54.700 Yes.
00:02:55.960 He'll sit there.
00:02:56.560 And you know what?
00:02:56.980 If you lost by 30, go into the locker room and go back to practice.
00:03:01.940 But he's kind of putting that accountability on you, which is really unique.
00:03:08.360 But how would he do it?
00:03:09.200 What do you say here?
00:03:09.780 So how do you – would he go in the locker room and say,
00:03:11.880 so how do you guys feel about the loss?
00:03:13.420 So what do you think happened?
00:03:14.340 Or was it kind of like, all right, guys, we'll see you at practice tomorrow?
00:03:16.540 What was –
00:03:17.480 I'm not going to say he was like babying us,
00:03:19.840 but he definitely was pointing out the mistakes.
00:03:23.260 But he was always trying to strengthen our center.
00:03:26.240 How do we do that?
00:03:26.740 So we meditate, turn off all the lights, bring sage in the locker room,
00:03:31.740 you know, center breathe together, you know, sit up straight in your chair,
00:03:37.460 close your eyes, relax your jaws, relax your – so he was like always empowering you.
00:03:43.200 He wasn't beating you down.
00:03:44.620 With the exception of he'll say little things to get under –
00:03:46.660 he has something for everybody where he can get under your skin.
00:03:48.720 Like what?
00:03:49.100 Like give me an example.
00:03:49.780 He called me cement feet.
00:03:50.920 When he called me cement feet, that made me upset.
00:03:53.100 Cement feet?
00:03:54.200 Yeah, he used to call – I had these big shoes.
00:03:56.120 I had a deal with another company.
00:03:57.800 Not a Nike, not an Adidas.
00:03:59.000 I had another company, and they were big.
00:04:01.440 But I did it because it was a deal.
00:04:03.240 So I just signed a contract, wore the shoes.
00:04:05.760 And, yeah, it wasn't the greatest-looking shoe.
00:04:07.700 Cement feet?
00:04:08.380 So, you know, Kobe's playing in Nikes.
00:04:11.020 I'm playing in these big blocks.
00:04:13.140 Which one is it?
00:04:13.980 The ones in the championship.
00:04:14.880 I got them on in the finals.
00:04:16.080 So the one you won in, you wore the cement feet in game seven.
00:04:20.280 Cement feet was definitely in game seven for sure.
00:04:23.060 Oh, shit.
00:04:23.880 It's not these ones.
00:04:25.120 These are some other ones I had throughout the years.
00:04:28.240 When's the last time?
00:04:28.920 Oh, there they go right there.
00:04:30.480 That's the one?
00:04:32.120 Who was the shoe company?
00:04:33.820 It was a company out of China called Peak.
00:04:38.180 They should have let me design my own shoe.
00:04:39.720 I couldn't believe they didn't let me design my own shoe, but it's another story.
00:04:42.880 So if he called you cement feet, what did he call the other guys?
00:04:45.860 Yeah, I forget what he had for the other guys.
00:04:48.280 He had something for Kobe, too.
00:04:49.740 Really?
00:04:50.640 100%.
00:04:50.960 So would he get under Kobe's skin or he couldn't get under Kobe's skin?
00:04:53.940 For Kobe, he'd leave him on the bench a little longer.
00:04:57.260 You know?
00:04:58.320 Like he didn't have to say anything.
00:04:59.520 He was like, this is your punishment.
00:05:00.500 An extra 30 seconds, a minute on the bench.
00:05:02.880 I don't know why he would do it, but Kobe's like, Kobe looking down at Phil with that face.
00:05:08.280 Laser eyes.
00:05:08.940 That face.
00:05:10.380 You know, his mouth.
00:05:12.600 This part turned to a bear, like a bear.
00:05:16.460 Mamba.
00:05:17.060 This part turned to the mamba.
00:05:18.980 And Phil's just like, you know, you're going to stay there.
00:05:22.020 I know you're supposed to check it now, but we're going to give you three more minutes over there.
00:05:25.100 Kobe be pissed.
00:05:26.040 What happened with Sasha Vujicic?
00:05:28.860 Was there a fight between him and Kobe?
00:05:30.960 Like one thing.
00:05:31.760 Yeah, definitely.
00:05:32.340 Because Kobe was saying something and he's elbowing him and Sasha's got.
00:05:35.140 I've seen that clip.
00:05:36.020 I don't know where that clip is.
00:05:37.100 Yeah, Sasha.
00:05:38.040 Because Sasha is a strong person.
00:05:40.560 Like that whole team was full of dogs.
00:05:42.140 You remind me of Indiana team.
00:05:43.860 So everybody on that team was, you know, pretty much psycho.
00:05:48.100 Like Sasha, Bynum, me.
00:05:51.100 You know, Powell's a nice guy, but Powell can get really aggressive and into it.
00:05:55.300 You can see it in his face.
00:05:57.080 You know, obviously Lamar and Josh Powell, people that you don't see a lot.
00:06:01.020 Josh Powell.
00:06:01.400 Wow.
00:06:01.860 Shannon Brown.
00:06:02.440 That's right.
00:06:03.160 Shannon Brown.
00:06:04.260 Luke Walton.
00:06:05.460 Luke Walton.
00:06:05.980 Fisher.
00:06:06.580 Fisher's different.
00:06:07.380 Fisher's not going to be rah-rah, but Fisher's not playing no games, you know?
00:06:10.380 He's a little bit different.
00:06:11.280 And so Sasha, you say something to Sasha, he's bringing, he's coming right back at you.
00:06:15.640 He don't care who it is.
00:06:17.480 You know, Sasha's got a lot of heart.
00:06:19.440 Adam Morrison.
00:06:20.320 Adam Morrison's probably the most psycho.
00:06:21.660 Morrison, Gonzaga.
00:06:22.560 The most psycho, probably.
00:06:24.140 Really?
00:06:24.480 Seriously?
00:06:24.860 He ain't taking no games.
00:06:25.840 Adam Morrison's not playing any games.
00:06:27.960 Seriously?
00:06:28.540 Oh, 100%.
00:06:29.360 Adam Morrison's not playing no games.
00:06:30.820 Are you joking?
00:06:31.620 No.
00:06:32.260 Adam actually, he should have, if it wasn't for those injuries, he was so good in practice.
00:06:37.100 But you had me, we had Kobe, with his injuries.
00:06:39.980 He's, if he doesn't get injured, you're talking about all-star multiple times.
00:06:44.420 No shit.
00:06:45.300 Yeah.
00:06:46.040 Wow.
00:06:46.580 Because you hear, yeah, you hear stories.
00:06:48.500 He's on the, I mean.
00:06:50.260 You've seen him in college?
00:06:50.760 He was college player of the year.
00:06:51.640 I remember.
00:06:52.520 He was, he was insane in college.
00:06:53.640 He was really good.
00:06:55.300 I wanted to know one thing about Phil.
00:06:57.200 When's the last time you interacted or even saw Phil Jackson?
00:06:59.860 I was on the phone with Phil last year when I went to go visit Carlisle, Indiana Paces.
00:07:06.320 Rick Carlisle, yeah.
00:07:07.080 And he had Phil on the phone.
00:07:09.100 That's the last time I spoke to Phil.
00:07:10.460 And I said, hey, Phil.
00:07:11.920 But I would also call Phil when I needed, like, coaching advice because I'm a coach.
00:07:14.860 So when I was coaching my high school girls or my college girls, I would call Phil and
00:07:18.780 just ask him about different things and if I'm thinking about it the right way.
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