Valuetainment - September 24, 2025


“Charlie Kirk Was My Nemesis” - Nick Fuentes REFLECTS On His Legacy After Assassination


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On this episode of "The Jordan Syatt Show", Jordan Peterson talks about the recent death of Charlie Kirk and how he is processing it. Jordan also talks about why he is a hypocrite and why he thinks Charlie should have been allowed to do what he did.

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00:00:00.360 Charlie Kirk, right?
00:00:01.760 And you know what clips are going viral with you.
00:00:04.080 A month ago, you were calling out, you know, what do you call it?
00:00:10.140 Turning Point USA.
00:00:11.180 And I don't know what you said, but you said it.
00:00:13.720 You know what it is.
00:00:15.760 You can fill in the context on what you said.
00:00:17.960 I'm not going to play the clip.
00:00:19.200 But you were saying something.
00:00:20.120 It's the clip where you're at the top and the other one's at the bottom, right?
00:00:22.640 What you said before and now it's like, hey, listen, Charlie was a Christian.
00:00:26.600 He was trying to do this.
00:00:27.400 You were very complimentary about Charlie.
00:00:29.600 Okay.
00:00:30.000 And Charlie Kirk got assassinated.
00:00:34.740 And you've had death threats of people coming to your door, right?
00:00:39.040 And things happening.
00:00:40.940 How much has the last 12 days, because, you know, at first you're like, well, you know, it's Israel.
00:00:45.920 You're like, no, it's not Israel.
00:00:47.880 You're actually a person that I would have thought would have been the first to go there.
00:00:51.460 You actually said, no, I'm not going there.
00:00:54.100 You know, Charlie, Nick is a Fed.
00:00:57.380 All right.
00:00:58.300 This person's CIA.
00:00:59.280 All right.
00:01:00.560 That kind of went away.
00:01:01.740 Didn't have a long lifespan.
00:01:03.040 It's gone.
00:01:04.300 Hey, it's the Groypers that did it. 0.99
00:01:06.240 You know, it's your career.
00:01:07.080 It was out of the 13 questions.
00:01:08.660 11 were Groypers.
00:01:09.460 Whatever the number was.
00:01:10.320 I may be wrong.
00:01:10.960 I don't want to.
00:01:12.320 Don't fact.
00:01:12.960 Go fact check me on what the numbers.
00:01:14.460 But I read somewhere that a number of the people that asked the question were Groypers.
00:01:17.200 Groypers asked me a question when I was at Amphis.
00:01:19.400 When the guy got up and said, how come you've never had Nicholas J. Fuentes on?
00:01:23.060 And I said, he's got to stop saying the N word.
00:01:25.020 And this is when you kind of came back and reacted to the video.
00:01:28.180 How are you processing this with Charlie?
00:01:30.600 I've seen the tweets.
00:01:31.620 I've seen the videos.
00:01:32.100 But how are you processing this?
00:01:33.820 Well, on a personal level, it's terrifying.
00:01:36.980 You know, because he was out there and he got blown away doing what we all do, which is a public event or something like that.
00:01:43.080 And, of course, the same thing happened to me last year.
00:01:45.600 Somebody came to my door with a gun while I was doing my show and tried to kill me.
00:01:50.640 And so you realize we do really have a problem in the country with this kind of violence.
00:01:55.900 That was kind of the first level.
00:01:57.920 My first reaction is I didn't know if this was some lone nut job.
00:02:01.540 Is there some kind of coordinated attack?
00:02:03.720 If there would be copycats or something?
00:02:06.120 But then on a deeper level, people are calling me a hypocrite because I had complimentary things to say about Charlie,
00:02:12.120 even though he was my adversary in politics.
00:02:14.740 But I don't see it as a contradiction.
00:02:17.880 I disagreed with him.
00:02:19.020 I still disagree with the things he said.
00:02:20.760 And my views on him from a professional point of view hasn't changed.
00:02:25.120 What I have processed is the reaction to the killing from all of his fans and from people.
00:02:32.540 You see that millions of people were touched by his activism.
00:02:37.380 And I looked at his activism in a very one-dimensional way, which is that he's pro-Trump.
00:02:42.780 He's pro-Republican.
00:02:43.800 And he's pushing the talking points.
00:02:45.360 We would call it Talking Points USA.
00:02:47.160 That was kind of the joke.
00:02:49.060 TPUSA Talking Points.
00:02:50.140 Right, Talking Points.
00:02:51.080 You know, his job is to go out there and sell the party.
00:02:54.880 But seeing the outpouring of support, I mean, I saw a lot of young people that were emotional.
00:02:59.740 Young men, young women going to the vigils and actually distraught.
00:03:03.300 And I think they were distraught, one, because it was so evil, what was done to him, to see that kind of violence was really upsetting.
00:03:11.640 But also I think people were touched because Charlie Kirk, it does put things in perspective when a person dies.
00:03:18.380 I don't believe he was a bad man.
00:03:20.740 I disagreed with him.
00:03:22.300 I didn't like his politics.
00:03:24.320 But what I have come to respect about him is that he was a very hard worker.
00:03:28.760 He was kind.
00:03:30.280 You notice that when he talked to people he didn't like or disagreed with.
00:03:33.320 He was open to other people.
00:03:34.640 He changed his mind, even when he dealt with me.
00:03:36.780 And he was never particularly nice to me, let's just say.
00:03:40.140 But he was to a lot of people.
00:03:42.080 And maybe more than anything, the thing that touched people the most was his testimony of his faith, that he believed in God.
00:03:50.120 And, you know, I didn't like what he advocated for politics, but what he advocated for Christianity, that's the part that people are going to remember him for.
00:03:57.780 That's the part that people, when they think Charlie Kirk, they don't think of the Republican debate bro.
00:04:03.260 They think about a guy that was preaching marriage, values, you know, decent Christian values, Christ himself and his sacrifice on the cross.
00:04:12.340 He was Protestant.
00:04:13.120 I'm Catholic.
00:04:14.020 And when they held the memorial yesterday, I'm going to tell you the truth.
00:04:17.200 I thought there were things about the memorial that were distasteful.
00:04:20.240 But one thing that was exceptional about it is the way that the name of Christ was proclaimed to everybody.
00:04:26.340 And I think that, you know, when you see someone die like that, the reason it's jarring for people is because we realize that we're all going to die.
00:04:33.320 Suddenly, unexpectedly, you know, and like him, he's 31 years old.
00:04:37.520 Nobody expects that a 31-year-old with that kind of money and influence is going to die all of a sudden.
00:04:42.060 He had plans.
00:04:42.780 You know, he was going to get on his private jet and fly to do another event some other time.
00:04:46.860 You know, nobody expects that you're going to die, someone like that, at that age.
00:04:49.800 And when you see someone like that cut down so viciously, you realize how life is so fragile and it's so temporary and it's so short.
00:04:57.900 Any day we could all die.
00:04:59.620 And what that then naturally makes us think about is, well, what does it all really mean then?
00:05:04.700 If you could get stopped in your tracks at any time like that, what actually really matters in life?
00:05:09.660 And what mattered about Charlie, when you see in the end, is it's not actually the times when he was maybe taking the piss and saying, what is a woman?
00:05:19.380 It's the times when he was sincerely professing his faith, talking about moral virtues and the moral virtues that he lived in his deeds.
00:05:25.820 And so to me, I guess it kind of, it was a change in perspective, kind of realizing everybody asks the same question.
00:05:31.900 How will I be remembered, you know, when we get unexpectedly killed or when we die or when bad things happen?
00:05:37.800 And it's a challenge to kind of live every day thinking, could today be the day, you know, and what did I do on my final day?
00:05:45.060 How did I act?
00:05:45.800 Did I tell the truth?
00:05:46.700 Was I courageous?
00:05:48.220 Was I kind?
00:05:49.540 You know, not just to my friends and my family, but also to my enemies.
00:05:52.240 So I think it brought people to the center a little bit, centered in a spiritual sense.
00:05:59.120 Did you at all watch it yesterday where you had moments of sitting there saying, this was a good guy, man?
00:06:07.580 Shit, you know, I wish I would have changed the approach with our relationship.
00:06:11.460 Did you at all have that moment?
00:06:13.580 I don't know that I would have changed my approach because politics is vicious, you know, and that's just the game.
00:06:19.700 He was vicious to us.
00:06:20.840 We were vicious to him.
00:06:22.240 But I do think that I harshly judged him.
00:06:25.440 I think when anybody dies, you feel that way.
00:06:27.840 And I think especially since he died, you look at him and you realize this guy was not actually the worst guy in the world.
00:06:33.640 You know, he was kind of my nemesis in a way.
00:06:37.020 And maybe I was his on the right wing.
00:06:39.680 But I realized that we had so much more in common than we disagreed with, actually.
00:06:43.460 So do you think when you hear the statement, let's find a way to lower the temperatures, do you in your mind say, oh, shut up with this lower the temperature bullshit?
00:06:55.280 Stop it.
00:06:56.360 Lower the temperature.
00:06:57.140 Do you know what's going on?
00:06:58.320 Do you hear that message now and say, maybe we've got to lower the temperature?
00:07:02.560 Hey, maybe if I got all these young guys that are following me, how Christlike am I being?
00:07:09.740 What am I?
00:07:10.260 This whole WWJ, I had a call with somebody two days ago.
00:07:14.320 I won't mention the name, but also very talented and capable.
00:07:17.360 Very.
00:07:17.620 I'm a person I believe in tremendously as well.
00:07:20.720 And we also, you know, have had a challenge.
00:07:24.500 But I said, listen, every time as I'm going through this and I'm out there, I took my kids.
00:07:31.800 Everyone's like, don't take your kids to, you know, what do you call it?
00:07:35.700 The Charlies and I said, no, no, I'm taking my kids.
00:07:39.160 I believe in God.
00:07:40.320 I have faith.
00:07:41.600 And if I move forward with fear, what a coward.
00:07:44.620 I'm not, I'm a leader.
00:07:45.400 I'm a leader amongst leaders.
00:07:46.260 We're going to go there.
00:07:47.480 They sit there proud.
00:07:48.720 We're good.
00:07:49.080 Of course, we make the investment for security and all that stuff, but we got to go.
00:07:52.960 We can't change our life dramatically where we're seen as being cowards, right?
00:07:57.180 We're never going to do that.
00:07:58.200 This is America.
00:07:58.780 It's the greatest country in the world.
00:08:00.320 I'm going to do my part.
00:08:01.360 My life has changed because of God, Jesus, America.
00:08:04.280 I am the luckiest human being alive.
00:08:06.200 That is my feeling, the vibe that I have, right?
00:08:10.620 But when you hear the words, we got to lower the temperature, what's the first thing you think about?
00:08:16.640 I think it's kind of just a wrong perspective on it because I'm an intense person, and I think this is a decisive moment for America.
00:08:25.800 And, you know, what really set me, what really made me beside myself is not necessarily that someone killed Kirk because there's a lot of crazy people out here that unfortunately do carry out acts of violence.
00:08:37.460 It was that there were like 100,000 liberals who are in their right mind that were celebrating, that were glib about it, that crashed vigils, that danced, that laughed, that mocked it, that said it was a good thing.
00:08:48.880 He deserved it.
00:08:49.640 And you realize that it is a battle between good and evil, and I don't believe that when you're fighting evil, you lower the intensity.
00:08:57.600 I think that we must very intensely fight evil because we have to win.
00:09:00.860 If we lose, and by we, I mean decent people, they're going to hurt us, and they're going to destroy the things that we care about.
00:09:07.200 So for me, it's not necessarily about intensity.
00:09:09.780 Temperature, I would say intensity.
00:09:11.300 I think we should all fight for what we believe in intensely every day.
00:09:14.800 I would change it and say it's really a question of love and hate.
00:09:19.540 It was a hateful action to kill Charlie Kirk.
00:09:21.740 It's a hateful action to celebrate.
00:09:23.580 I think that we should be intense, but we should also move in love.
00:09:26.260 And what that means is, you know, I said this on my show, people kill each other with bullets and literally murder each other and take their lives.
00:09:34.740 We also kill each other by destroying each other's reputations.
00:09:37.660 When we lie about somebody, when we gossip about somebody, when you go and actually do the examine of conscience at confession at a Catholic church,
00:09:46.200 and you go through all the different sins, and you say, because you have to contemplate, you have to confess everything, every mortal sin, you have to confess all of it.
00:09:53.940 So first, you examine it systematically.
00:09:56.840 Have I done this?
00:09:57.760 Have I done that?
00:09:58.860 And one of the violations of the commandment, thou shall not kill, is gossip, detraction.
00:10:04.980 It's attacking somebody with a lie, because that's a form of killing somebody in a certain sense.
00:10:11.040 It's a form of damning somebody.
00:10:13.060 And so I wouldn't say we need to lower the intensity, but we should always move in love.
00:10:17.640 And by that, I don't mean some kind of like new age and move in love, very vague and non-specific.
00:10:21.980 But I mean, we should want what's good for everybody.
00:10:25.300 We should will the good for us, and also even for our enemies, too, and for the whole country.
00:10:30.380 And so that's why I said, my first reaction when I did my show, a lot of people said, well, we now got to go and kill two of theirs.
00:10:37.380 They killed one of ours.
00:10:39.600 Now we need to get violent. 0.97
00:10:41.000 Now we got to go and pick up arms.
00:10:43.120 How many is too many?
00:10:44.400 I think there were, I mean, not any but notable, but I think there were a lot of people that were thinking that.
00:10:48.280 On the conservative side.
00:10:49.320 I think so.
00:10:50.280 You think so?
00:10:50.840 I do.
00:10:51.380 Are you saying groipers, or you're saying like, what part of that? 0.65
00:10:55.080 Because, are you saying groipers? 0.97
00:10:57.880 No, no, absolutely not.
00:10:59.000 You're saying just conservatives, period.
00:11:01.140 I'm saying, yeah.
00:11:02.120 I think that, I mean, do you think that after people saw Charlie Kirk get murdered, there weren't at least some people that said, we have to match the left?
00:11:09.840 Perfect.
00:11:10.220 I'm glad you brought that up.
00:11:11.100 So, my initial reaction, I'm a very bad person.
00:11:16.560 Very.
00:11:17.640 Initial reaction is vengeance.
00:11:20.260 Right?
00:11:20.780 That's normal.
00:11:21.840 Initial.
00:11:22.280 But, you know, that's the part where, you know, there's certain people that will come say stuff about me.
00:11:31.340 They say it all the time.
00:11:32.280 You know, you've gotten money from Assad.
00:11:36.560 We don't do sponsorship money here.
00:11:39.960 We haven't taken sponsorship money for two years.
00:11:41.760 The only thing we take is AdSense, and that's what YouTube does.
00:11:43.820 We don't pick and choose what it is.
00:11:44.940 Right?
00:11:45.740 But they'll say stuff like that.
00:11:46.960 It doesn't bother me.
00:11:48.160 Because it's like, you know, if you fight it, they're going to do more of it.
00:11:51.000 So, what are you going to do?
00:11:52.140 That's what bothers them.
00:11:53.040 Let me keep going.
00:11:53.720 Nah, I'm good.
00:11:54.380 I'm going to do your part.
00:11:55.140 I'm going to do.
00:11:55.800 Maybe if I was in my 20s, I would constantly fight that over and over and over again.
00:11:59.560 I'm not.
00:12:00.480 To me, I also think there's a moment there, here, where we have a moment.
00:12:06.200 I feel like within a conservative party, there's a lot of different gangs.
00:12:10.660 Okay?
00:12:11.340 In a mob, if you go study the history of the mob with Lucky Luciano when they created the commission,
00:12:15.980 all these different families came together.
00:12:18.580 Right?
00:12:20.280 It doesn't mean we're buddy, buddy.
00:12:23.180 Hey, how you doing?
00:12:24.440 You know, everything's good.
00:12:25.780 That's not what that means.
00:12:27.120 It just means, listen, at the end of the day, maybe the enemy isn't who we think the enemy is.
00:12:34.200 Okay?
00:12:35.000 Maybe you and Charlie, 90%, I don't know, 80, 90%, you were on the same page.
00:12:41.240 Is it worth us getting this nasty over the 10%? 0.99
00:12:44.260 I don't know.
00:12:45.660 I don't know.
00:12:47.180 I feel we're at an era right now that I think all the voices matter.
00:12:52.320 And I think, like, I don't know what your aspirations are long-term.
00:12:55.300 Do you have any aspirations to run for office one day?
00:12:57.280 Potentially.
00:12:57.760 Okay, potentially.
00:12:58.440 Do you think Charlie was going to one day run for office?
00:13:00.260 Absolutely.
00:13:00.780 Absolutely.
00:13:01.060 And I said that all the time.
00:13:02.300 I think you probably have some plans on one day running.
00:13:04.340 They showed me a clip when he said, I want 100,000 people that are making money, low-key, underground, nobody knows, where you're kind of breaking that up.
00:13:14.120 Okay, great.
00:13:14.600 So you want to run for office one day.
00:13:16.040 Great.
00:13:16.180 You have your own certain ideas, philosophies that you want to go.
00:13:20.040 But I think that this next part, excuse me, I think this next part, as we go through it, this is an MLK moment.
00:13:30.540 This was the MLK of Republicans and conservatives, even though Martin Luther King was a Republican and his wife called Nixon to get some help.
00:13:40.080 They didn't call back, and then he called John F. Kennedy.
00:13:42.240 She called, and then that's when they flipped.
00:13:44.000 I'm going to be a Democrat, and then next year, no, and then you got Barry Goldwater, and the whole thing is a mess.
00:13:48.900 African-Americans were conservatives for many, many years, statistically.
00:13:52.320 Hi, I'm Nick Fuentes.
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