Valuetainment - Controversial Vaccine Movie Banned by Netflix & Apple

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00:00:01.860 Did you ever think you would make it?

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00:00:14.580 Valuetainment, giving, values contagious.

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00:00:21.420 I'm the one.

00:00:22.460 I'm Patrick Medved, host of iTunes.

00:00:23.760 And today I'm sitting down with Del Bigtree,

00:00:25.460 who is the executive producer of the band documentary

00:00:28.360 called Vaxxed.

00:00:30.020 It was taken down off of Netflix and Apple.

00:00:32.800 And he's got some controversial things to say about vaccines.

00:00:35.780 Del Bigtree.

00:00:36.360 Del, thanks for being a guest on Valuetainment.

00:00:38.220 Thanks for having me, Patrick.

00:00:39.300 It's a pleasure to be here.

00:00:40.800 So Del, I have a question for you.

00:00:42.140 So right off the bat, the one thing that I was doing last night,

00:00:44.420 I'm sitting and I'm watching your documentary.

00:00:46.160 I went on Apple TV, couldn't find it.

00:00:49.060 I went on Amazon, couldn't find it.

00:00:51.660 I went everywhere to try to buy, couldn't find it.

00:00:54.440 My associates brought the DVDs for me to watch.

00:00:57.220 And I'm, you know, nowadays people don't even have DVD players.

00:01:00.340 But Google had it on YouTube to buy Vaxxed and watch it or rent it.

00:01:06.700 So here's what I'm curious about.

00:01:07.960 With all the censorship topics going on,

00:01:10.500 if you're censored off of film festivals,

00:01:13.920 if you're censored off of Apple TV or maybe Amazon and Netflix,

00:01:17.740 why is YouTube allowing you to sell Vaxxed on YouTube?

00:01:21.040 I'm curious.

00:01:22.500 You know, that's a really good question.

00:01:24.020 I had no idea that YouTube was actually doing that.

00:01:26.620 I usually just send people to the distribution company,

00:01:30.120 VaxxedTheMovie.com.

00:01:31.920 There's been times when YouTube has taken it down.

00:01:34.180 So I guess right now it's back up and running.

00:01:36.840 I mean, the film came out in the early 2016.

00:01:39.940 I haven't paid a lot of attention to it,

00:01:41.540 but we have certainly been censored.

00:01:43.520 We had a deal with Amazon that it was going to be free

00:01:46.320 to all Amazon Prime members till the end of time.

00:01:50.200 But then, as you are probably aware, Adam Schiff wrote letters both to,

00:01:54.660 he sent a letter to Instagram and Facebook and YouTube saying,

00:01:59.120 you need to take down any content that questions the safety of vaccines.

00:02:02.540 He wrote a specific letter to Jeff Bezos at Amazon saying,

00:02:06.540 remove all documentaries and books questioning the safety of vaccines.

00:02:10.560 And we were pulled down the next day.

00:02:12.380 So it's very hard to get the film.

00:02:14.740 I'm actually quite happy to hear that YouTube has a way for people to watch it right now.

00:02:20.780 I was unaware of that.

00:02:22.260 And by the way, this is what's funny.

00:02:23.520 When we were doing all the interviews just a few months ago on the topic of vaccine,

00:02:27.860 because we did one interview and all of a sudden we did a few more after that,

00:02:31.500 I couldn't find Vaxxed on YouTube.

00:02:34.020 So I can't say that I could find it two months ago,

00:02:35.980 but I was able to find it yesterday and watch it on my YouTube.

00:02:38.360 And, you know, I bought it.

00:02:39.620 I said, wait a minute, they have it up here.

00:02:40.860 You know, sometimes people download,

00:02:42.640 upload the video where other people can watch it.

00:02:44.520 But this was actually a purchase on YouTube.

00:02:47.140 So that was pretty impressive.

00:02:49.120 I don't know if they were pressured from the other side to open it up.

00:02:51.580 I don't know what it was.

00:02:52.300 It's definitely not something.

00:02:53.540 Could be.

00:02:53.880 Yeah.

00:02:54.520 It could also be someone just rogue.

00:02:56.220 I don't know.

00:02:56.660 I'd have to see it.

00:02:57.420 I mean, we do have people that just put it up themselves.

00:03:00.340 Maybe they're trying to make a little bit of money off of it.

00:03:02.400 But I know that, you know,

00:03:04.160 the movie has been pirated all around the world, you know,

00:03:07.280 and that's something that I've never cared about that.

00:03:10.040 It was all about getting the message out that the distribution company,

00:03:13.180 you know, obviously wanted to make their money,

00:03:15.040 and that's their problem to fight for that.

00:03:17.120 I'm always happy to find out that someone is getting it out there some way,

00:03:20.540 somehow, because it's incredibly important for people to see that film.

00:03:24.740 So, yeah, and by the way, I'm just looking at it right now,

00:03:28.160 one on YouTube.

00:03:28.800 Again, you can purchase it right now on YouTube.

00:03:30.620 By the way, everybody that's watching this, when you do watch this,

00:03:34.180 whether it's today, a month from now, six years from now,

00:03:36.520 10 years from now, comment below or tweet us at any point

00:03:39.780 if you're trying to buy it on YouTube and it's not there.

00:03:41.960 I'd love to know.

00:03:43.140 But right now, I go on YouTube.

00:03:45.160 Can you pull it up on YouTube to see if you can buy it yourself right now?

00:03:47.520 I just want to make sure for full disclosure.

00:03:49.520 Today is what?

00:03:50.120 Today is June 24, 2020, so everybody knows the date of this being recorded.

00:03:54.380 It's up today, but I cannot get it on Apple TV.

00:03:56.620 Whose channel, who's putting it up?

00:04:00.380 Does it say who the channel is or where it's being promoted by?

00:04:03.140 It's actually YouTube Movies.

00:04:05.280 It's YouTube Movies.

00:04:07.940 So it's…

00:04:08.520 I'll be surprised if that's there tomorrow.

00:04:10.900 It says YouTube Movies.

00:04:13.180 We'll put it up so you can see it.

00:04:14.600 I'll produce it as well.

00:04:16.160 So right now, confirming, Josh, are you AT&T or Verizon yourself?

00:04:23.140 Verizon and what are you?

00:04:24.180 Verizon.

00:04:24.680 And I'm AT&T.

00:04:25.440 We can see it on ours.

00:04:26.540 We will see if YouTube takes it down.

00:04:28.080 YouTube, if you have it up, I applaud you.

00:04:29.680 This is good because you're allowing people to see both of us.

00:04:31.500 I think it's a very good thing.

00:04:32.720 So let's get right into it.

00:04:34.660 So for yourself, just so the audience knows, you did five episodes, I believe,

00:04:39.760 with Dr. Phil.

00:04:40.460 You worked on that side.

00:04:41.500 And then you did 30 episodes, give or take, with the doctor show.

00:04:44.040 And then somehow, some way, where did this passion to want to go out there

00:04:48.760 and research and bring out this topic of vaccination happen for you?

00:04:53.780 Not that it matters, but let me just go ahead and say I worked.

00:04:56.480 I was a producer on the Dr. Phil show for about two years, not on staff,

00:05:02.340 but freelance, but three years on staff.

00:05:04.380 I probably was involved in producing more like 150 Dr. Phil episodes.

00:05:09.400 I was on the doctors for six years permanently on staff.

00:05:12.520 I won an Emmy Award.

00:05:14.300 There, I produced about 40 episodes a year, so somewhere in the 250 to 300 episode range.

00:05:20.400 The reason people will say five is because I don't know if you've ever had your own IMDb page,

00:05:25.200 but you have to go and load up every single show yourself and figure out when it aired.

00:05:30.860 And I just, you kind of tend to just put up your favorite ones and say,

00:05:34.000 well, this represents some of the best.

00:05:36.520 There's a big difference, Bob.

00:05:37.940 There's a big disparity between the numbers online about you and what you just said right now.

00:05:41.880 So I applaud you for your background.

00:05:43.220 I appreciate you saying that.

00:05:44.660 Yeah.

00:05:44.940 So how did vaccination come about?

00:05:46.580 What inspired you to want to pursue this?

00:05:48.740 Well, because, you know, obviously working on Dr. Phil, I was making psychology into television.

00:05:55.480 Dr. Phil created the Doctors television show.

00:05:57.400 I was actually the field producer that was teamed up with the new executive producer to help develop that show.

00:06:02.720 I ran around.

00:06:03.580 I was the first one out shooting surgeries for television, figuring out how to edit that in ways that would, you know,

00:06:09.120 get through any regulations and issues.

00:06:11.040 So I've been in there from the beginning and celebrating.

00:06:14.740 I mean, Doctors was an amazing show.

00:06:16.220 Still is on CBS.

00:06:17.860 But it was an amazing experience because I was celebrating the best that science has to offer,

00:06:23.120 the best doctors in the world, you know, the best technologies.

00:06:27.800 And so because of that, you know, it was a great experience.

00:06:31.680 I was reading medical journals, breaking news stories in medicine.

00:06:35.500 But what happened was when you think of the Doctors, a lot of people don't know that in order to do a show like that,

00:06:40.980 that's essentially on your television every day, there's seven producers on the show that will shoot about seven episodes every single week.

00:06:49.160 My job was to produce one of those episodes, you know, and then we would do about 40 weeks of shooting or whatever.

00:06:54.660 So that's how it works.

00:06:55.840 I was also, if you ask, you know, the lawyer for the show, she would always joke with me,

00:07:01.160 Del, you cost our company more money than anyone else.

00:07:04.260 And that's because I did shows that would challenge big industry.

00:07:07.500 I was always really skeptical where an industry is making billions of dollars saying they're making us safer or healthier.

00:07:16.000 I like to investigate stories like that.

00:07:18.680 And so, for instance, I did a show on Monsanto when the World Health Organization ruled that glyphosate,

00:07:25.720 the chemical in Roundup, which we spray on 90 percent of our crops and almost all of our gardens in America,

00:07:32.600 the World Health Organization said it was probably carcinogenic to human beings.

00:07:36.040 That's the second highest cancer ruling there is.

00:07:39.500 So I wanted to do a show on that.

00:07:41.420 I reached out to Monsanto and said, do you want to refute the statement being made that your product is essentially carcinogenic by the WHO?

00:07:49.000 And they said, sure, we'll send our head of toxicology.

00:07:52.220 And then I reached out to one of the top GMO activists in the world, a guy named Jeffrey Smith,

00:07:57.100 that had written multiple books on the topic and brought them in to debate each other on the show.

00:08:01.800 So I kind of pushed the envelope of what people were used to in daytime television.

00:08:07.180 And so because of that, I have a lot of different contacts, the CDC and scientists and doctors that know I'm not afraid of certain topics.

00:08:16.080 So there was a scientist and a doctor that I'd worked with on a story who said to me at one point,

00:08:21.300 this is a year or so before Vaxxed, he said, you know, this is an important story, Del, but I don't think you want me on your show.

00:08:29.500 And I said, why?

00:08:30.160 And he said, well, because I'm one of these doctors that actually believes that vaccines cause autism.

00:08:35.620 And if you look me up online, you'll find out that there's a lot of sites that call me a quack.

00:08:40.100 And I said, well, I'm not worried about that.

00:08:41.680 I really am interested in this story that we're going to do that has nothing to do with that.

00:08:46.480 And he said, would you ever cover vaccines and autism?

00:08:49.240 I said, our show is very strong commitment to the idea that vaccines are safe and effective and that they don't cause autism.

00:08:57.020 I said, but you know me and you'll know me even better after we work on this show.

00:09:01.420 If there's a giant change, if something really big happens in the science around that, let me know.

00:09:07.500 And I'll, you know, and I'd be interested in hearing about that.

00:09:10.340 So a year later, he called me and said, remember when you said if something big was going to happen in the vaccine autism, you know, confrontation or story, I'll let you know.

00:09:19.580 I said, yeah.

00:09:19.940 He said, well, there's a whistleblower that's going to come forward at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in about two weeks.

00:09:25.720 And he is going to say they're committing scientific fraud on the vaccine autism safety studies and specifically the MMR study, the measles, mumps, rubella study that happened between 2000 and 2004.

00:09:37.880 And so I talk about all of this in the film.

00:09:41.080 I went to my executive producer and said, hey, I've got to jump on what could be the biggest medical story in my lifetime.

00:09:48.100 And they said, we are not going near that.

00:09:50.060 You're not going to challenge the CDC on the doctors.

00:09:52.060 We're not going to piss off our pharmaceutical sponsors.

00:09:54.500 And so I was like, OK, I walked out.

00:09:56.880 But I watched for that story.

00:09:58.780 And sure enough, two weeks later, the story did break.

00:10:01.160 And deep down, I was thinking, well, this story will be on CNN, New York Times, Fox, you name it.

00:10:07.300 This is a gigantic story.

00:10:08.600 And once it is, I'll go back to my executive producer saying, hey, we're a medical talk show.

00:10:12.800 Can I investigate it now since this is one of the biggest stories that's out there?

00:10:16.140 But to my surprise, nobody covered it.

00:10:18.700 It was absolutely buried.

00:10:20.080 In fact, even on CNN, they had iReport where people could report stories that they thought were interesting out in the world.

00:10:26.080 And CNN took it down.

00:10:28.300 And that's when I realized there's a cover-up going on.

00:10:32.020 There is absolutely a desire to shut this story down.

00:10:36.440 And that made me more curious.

00:10:38.200 And that really started my investigation and journey into vaccines and autism.

00:10:43.620 Of course, I ended up making a documentary about that whistleblower, which you've talked about.

00:10:48.780 That's Vaxxed.

00:10:50.060 And in order to make that film, I spent about a year flying back and forth to Austin,

00:10:54.580 where Dr. Andy Wakefield, probably the most controversial doctor in the world,

00:10:59.080 he was already directing the film and had all of the 10,000 documents that the whistleblower had provided,

00:11:05.520 all of the recorded confessions.

00:11:07.840 And so I just helped him sort of really develop that into a movie that could reach millions of people, which it has.

00:11:15.620 And so that's how I got into it.

00:11:18.920 And since then, after the film came out, I started traveling.

00:11:22.400 As you pointed out, we got kicked out of Tribeca Film Festival, which was one of the worst five minutes of my life.

00:11:29.220 And then, you know, as I was staring at the television, watching the news report that we had just been kicked out of Tribeca,

00:11:34.920 it sort of sunk in on me.

00:11:36.820 You know, Del, I know it was a dream of yours to, you know, as a filmmaker, to be accepted into Tribeca Film Festival.

00:11:43.080 But it occurred to me, I had never heard of a film being kicked out of Tribeca Film Festival.

00:11:49.420 And I realized in that moment, we just made history.

00:11:53.480 And sure enough, it became one of the biggest media stories in the world and turned Vaxxed into an overnight sensation.

00:12:01.740 But traveling with the film, we started interviewing thousands and thousands of parents across the country as we drove around in this bus that had Vaxxed written on the side of it.

00:12:10.020 People started writing the names of their children who had died after a vaccine or had been injured.

00:12:15.280 But the parents were telling stories of every single vaccine on the schedule.

00:12:19.420 I thought the problem was the MMR vaccine.

00:12:22.300 And then others would come up and say, your movie is very compelling.

00:12:25.840 Is it only the MMR vaccine that's dangerous?

00:12:28.320 And I didn't have an answer to that.

00:12:29.940 And so at the end of that year of traveling, end of 2016, I started my nonprofit, the Informed Consent Action Network.

00:12:37.000 I brought in scientists, doctors, researchers, and a legal team to start investigating every single vaccine, especially the ones we give our children.

00:12:46.600 And all of the studies that they said determined that vaccines were safe.

00:12:51.320 And so that's what I've been doing for the last four years.

00:12:53.620 I think I'm the only reporter in history that has ever been this focused on literally one word, safety.

00:12:59.800 We hear safe and effective.

00:13:01.460 I haven't really touched effective yet.

00:13:03.240 We're just now beginning that investigation.

00:13:05.600 But I can tell you everything you want to know on whether vaccines are safe or not.

00:13:09.320 Got it.

00:13:09.520 Okay, so a question for you, if we can backtrack, because you cover a lot.

00:13:12.340 And that was great, because now the audience knows the optics of what we're talking about.

00:13:16.520 So, one, have you ever met the whistleblower, William Thompson, yourself?

00:13:22.080 Has there been a face-to-face interview with him?

00:13:23.980 Or was it always something that's recording without him knowing about it?

00:13:28.580 During the making of Vaxxed, I never met him.

00:13:31.680 In fact, he was furious that the film was being made and that his recordings had been made public.

00:13:38.820 This is very interesting, and I'm glad you asked this question.

00:13:41.740 He was confessing to another scientist that had an autistic child, telling that scientist how they had committed scientific fraud.

00:13:49.640 That scientist decided, with some urging from Andy Wakefield, to begin recording those phone calls, because they were saying,

00:13:58.840 we will never have proof that these things are being said by a top scientist inside the CDC.

00:14:04.140 So, the film, what you're seeing is pieces of four different, about one-hour-long phone conversations.

00:14:11.980 Those are what were outed to the public online, and then that's what the film was based around.

00:14:16.480 Now, Brian Hooker is the scientist he was talking to on the phone.

00:14:21.320 He's an educator up at Simpson University in Redding, California.

00:14:27.000 He ultimately believed that because he was beginning to do studies using the footage that had been destroyed that Dr. William Thompson provided,

00:14:38.720 those 10,000 documents, he started publishing new data and believed that William Thompson would be known,

00:14:46.220 that the CDC would recognize this information that no one in the world was supposed to see,

00:14:51.340 and he really believed that William Thompson was in danger, and that's why he outed them.

00:14:55.940 And that's when Dr. William Thompson became a whistleblower.

00:14:59.240 So, he never spoke to me while making the film.

00:15:02.260 I will say, I go to meetings all the time now at the CDC.

00:15:06.360 In fact, today is one of those meetings, an ACIP meeting, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices.

00:15:12.100 They meet three times a year to introduce new vaccines or add vaccines to the schedule and discuss it.

00:15:17.440 At the CDC, I did run into Dr. William Thompson once, and we did sit down for a coffee and discuss a few things.

00:15:27.000 But he still works there.

00:15:28.440 He's still considered to be a whistleblower, and I have had face-to-face contact with him, but not during the making of the film.

00:15:37.160 So, let me get this straight.

00:15:38.000 He still works at CDC, even though he was a number four guy out of five senior scientists to come out and have this one-hour conversation with Brian Hooker.

00:15:45.140 That's correct.

00:15:46.800 He still works there.

00:15:47.900 Remember, he's a whistleblower.

00:15:49.180 You can't fire him.

00:15:50.340 I mean, that's one of the beauties of the way our system works in this country.

00:15:54.600 If he's fired for really outing important information, then he has a legal recourse to say that that was an illegal firing.

00:16:03.960 So, they are unable to fire him because all he's done is provide proof and evidence and statements that he believes the study on MMR certainly is, whether he would use the word fraudulent, has gotten rid of that.

00:16:20.420 They threw away statistically important information that showed a strong correlation between the MMR vaccine and autism.

00:16:29.200 And specifically, if anyone hasn't seen the film, specifically in African-American children was where the focus of that study was.

00:16:36.040 So, I'm still flabbergasted that he still got a job and they haven't fired a guy.

00:16:40.300 And I'm still flabbergasted that he can be there knowing what he knows.

00:16:44.240 Is he still a senior scientist or he got demoted?

00:16:46.800 Is he still writing papers?

00:16:48.400 And is he now pro-vax, anti-vax?

00:16:51.220 Is he at a point right now where he's saying we shouldn't give the MMR until three years old?

00:16:55.420 So, what has he changed and is he writing about it on CDC website for us to read about?

00:17:01.500 So, a lot of this, you know, I've had private conversations.

00:17:05.240 What I can say is I think what he has said to those that have, like, reviewed where he's at.

00:17:12.840 First of all, he still works there.

00:17:14.540 He is one of the world's top epidemiologists.

00:17:17.940 He is still one of the top epidemiologists at the CDC.

00:17:21.000 They have removed him from the vaccine safety department and put him in other investigation departments.

00:17:28.400 That was the change that was made.

00:17:30.980 He has in recordings, and I knew this before I even saw him for a coffee,

00:17:38.720 and he says and has always said that I believe in vaccines.

00:17:44.180 I think that they are important, but I will also say that there should be more safety studies done,

00:17:51.500 especially after what he saw in the MMR vaccine study they did.

00:17:56.860 In his mind, what I believe he would say is the MMR study is a disaster.

00:18:04.540 It did not.

00:18:05.700 It showed really dangerous outcomes for children,

00:18:08.940 but it was still a relatively small study of just a few thousand children.

00:18:13.840 His belief is that it showed a signal and that the CDC should have gone on to do deeper, larger studies,

00:18:22.000 following up on the question that that vaccine showed,

00:18:24.860 which was there may be a real problem with the MMR vaccine and autism.

00:18:28.340 But instead, that study threw out half the children's study committed what I believe is just quintessential study fraud,

00:18:39.020 scientific study fraud.

00:18:40.640 They manipulated the study and used it as the final study to determine that vaccines don't cause autism.

00:18:46.960 That was the last study the U.S. government ever paid for all the way back in 2004.

00:18:52.160 Autism is still skyrocketing.

00:18:53.900 We still hear the slogan, vaccines don't cause autism, and not a red cent is going into that investigation,

00:19:00.640 even though the growing body of parents, more than 50 percent now of parents of autism,

00:19:07.200 believe it was the vaccine that caused it.

00:19:10.000 I put it really simply like this.

00:19:11.380 If this was some sort of criminal investigation,

00:19:14.260 it's like we took the one culprit out of the lineup that everyone pointed to in the lineup.

00:19:21.660 They said, that's the guy, it's the vaccines, that's who did it.

00:19:24.720 That's the only thing that's been pulled out of the lineup

00:19:27.360 and never been replaced with another credible eyewitness or testimony or scientific evidential proof

00:19:35.260 that this is what's causing autism.

00:19:37.180 That's very problematic.

00:19:38.820 When they say there's no evidence vaccines cause autism,

00:19:42.220 usually in every other criminal case, the best evidence you can have is an eyewitness,

00:19:46.980 and there's millions of those now around the world.

00:19:49.600 Did he sue you for using the one-hour phone call?

00:19:54.260 He did not.

00:19:56.300 Can he, legally?

00:19:58.120 No, because, remember, I didn't record those calls, but Brian Hooker did.

00:20:02.880 Brian Hooker was smart enough to look up.

00:20:05.080 I mean, he was just a scientist working in Redding, California,

00:20:08.900 but he looked up and there's a law call.

00:20:11.340 I mean, you usually ask yourself, and we do this as journalists too,

00:20:15.420 is it a one-party state or a two-party state?

00:20:18.160 What that means is in California, where Brian Hooker lived, it's a two-party state,

00:20:23.940 meaning if you're going to record a phone call or even a conversation in public,

00:20:28.080 if you're going to record it, both entities have to know that it's being recorded,

00:20:31.640 just like you asked me or your producer did,

00:20:34.620 are you recognized you're about to be recorded?

00:20:36.240 Are you okay with this?

00:20:37.380 Well, Oregon is a one-party state, and so Brian Hooker would drive four hours to Oregon,

00:20:45.560 check into a Motel 8 before he made the phone calls to Dr. William Thompson,

00:20:50.800 so that legally he was allowed to record in Oregon as a one-party state,

00:20:55.740 meaning only he knew the recording was taking place.

00:20:58.160 So there was no legal records for Dr. William Thompson.

00:21:01.480 Good for him. Wow. Good for him for that.

00:21:04.880 So when you and him sat down together, and William Thompson, the whistleblower,

00:21:09.060 and you guys had coffee together, was it a pretty civil conversation,

00:21:13.660 or was he pretty pissed off at you?

00:21:16.560 I would say it was a little bit of both.

00:21:18.820 I won't get into the details, but I wanted to make it clear.

00:21:21.400 I happened to see him across the room.

00:21:23.220 I waved to him, and, you know, I can talk about this because people at the CDC

00:21:27.720 all saw us sitting down during a break.

00:21:31.120 I wanted to let him know that it was not my idea to out him,

00:21:34.780 that that is not how I work as a journalist.

00:21:37.560 He had already been outed by the time I got involved with the project,

00:21:41.740 but I just wanted to let him know that I understood why he was upset,

00:21:45.800 and that, you know, in the future, if he knows anyone else that wants to be a whistleblower,

00:21:50.400 that I am a steel trap and will not out anybody, would just love any information,

00:21:55.320 and I will find second and third sources to be able to corroborate that information

00:22:00.300 so I can report on it.

00:22:02.040 That's really what our conversation was about.

00:22:05.220 He made clear the things I've said.

00:22:07.260 Just so you know, I believe in vaccines, but that this study really was a disaster,

00:22:13.060 and he was upset that more that, you know, it wasn't used to have more studies take place.

00:22:19.080 Yeah, I can only imagine that conversation.

00:22:21.900 I can't see it being civil the entire time.

00:22:23.640 I can see it being a little bit intense, but I like the visual you just gave us.

00:22:28.520 Okay, so, look, you do a documentary.

00:22:30.920 Sometimes, you know, I make a video, and I'll give my opinion on U.S.-Iran conflict,

00:22:35.860 history of U.S.-Iran conflict.

00:22:37.220 It gets a few million views, and then people email me from Iran, from all over the world.

00:22:41.180 You didn't cover this.

00:22:41.800 You didn't cover that.

00:22:42.300 You didn't cover this.

00:22:42.840 Read this article.

00:22:43.440 Read this book.

00:22:43.920 Read that.

00:22:44.280 You get all this information from both sides, right?

00:22:46.500 You're wrong. 0.77

00:22:47.080 Iran is a terrible nation. 1.00

00:22:48.720 You're right. 0.69

00:22:49.420 The history of Iran is not being told the right way.

00:22:51.440 All this stuff.

00:22:52.260 Okay, so you make the documentary.

00:22:54.840 The position has been given.

00:22:56.480 The data shows us, in 1975, one in every 5,000 kid has autism.

00:23:04.220 1982, one in 2,500.

00:23:06.480 1994, one in 500.

00:23:08.460 2000, one in 166.

00:23:10.740 2004, one in 150.

00:23:12.880 2009, one in 110.

00:23:14.540 2011, one in 68.

00:23:15.900 2013, one in 45.

00:23:18.500 Projected 2032, one out of every two kid is going to have autism.

00:23:22.960 Correct.

00:23:23.460 That's catastrophic, right?

00:23:25.140 So you make this argument, and the argument being made is a big part of it is the fact

00:23:31.460 that if we're going to give the MMR vaccine, let's wait after three years old, because the

00:23:36.220 numbers dramatically drop, 164%.

00:23:38.380 If you do between 12 to 15 months.

00:23:40.420 Okay, fine.

00:23:40.820 Let's set that aside.

00:23:41.480 You give the message.

00:23:44.080 You put the documentary out there.

00:23:46.320 Tribeca turns it down.

00:23:48.060 Robert De Niro, who is somebody politically would have typically disagreed with someone

00:23:51.880 like you, but because at the time, his 16-year-old son has autism.

00:23:55.860 He's around 21, 22 today.

00:23:57.580 He's emotionally connected to it, and he's trying to hold himself back.

00:24:00.600 He says, I believe everybody should watch this, right?

00:24:02.540 Okay.

00:24:03.400 Yeah.

00:24:03.780 Everybody starts looking at this.

00:24:05.960 Emails you've gotten from both sides, people that have connected with you from both sides. 1.00

00:24:10.180 What's been the best argument you've gotten from those who say, Del, you're a fool. 1.00

00:24:17.040 You're absolutely wrong. 0.99

00:24:18.280 You're not even looking at it from this standpoint.

00:24:20.060 Why are you still doing this, arguing about vaccine?

00:24:22.280 This is a hoax.

00:24:23.300 This is a propaganda.

00:24:24.520 You're hurting so many kids' lives.

00:24:25.960 You're doing this.

00:24:26.960 Where you got spooked.

00:24:28.420 Where you're like, you know what?

00:24:28.960 That's a pretty good argument.

00:24:29.800 I didn't even look into that, and what did you get from the anti-vaccine community of

00:24:35.460 all these other folks of stories that you had not heard before where you said, you know

00:24:38.620 what?

00:24:38.820 We didn't even add that to the documentary.

00:24:40.480 I wish I would have.

00:24:41.480 So which ones from this camp made you think, and which ones from this camp made you think?

00:24:45.600 Well, I'll be honest.

00:24:46.800 You know, I knew that I was going to destroy my television career getting involved with this

00:24:52.300 documentary to begin with, and so from the moment I saw, when I saw the hour and 45 minutes

00:24:58.760 that had already been laid out and needed, I did a lot of work re-editing it.

00:25:02.720 We spent a year sort of fixing up the film that I saw, but I work on the doctor's television

00:25:09.080 show.

00:25:09.540 So I started asking every doctor I knew, including hosts on the doctors, and I said, if I'm wrong,

00:25:17.380 show me where I'm wrong.

00:25:18.740 I want off this road.

00:25:20.000 I mean, I'm all about the truth.

00:25:21.580 Please show me, explain to me what I'm missing here.

00:25:25.960 How is this data wrong?

00:25:27.720 How is it?

00:25:28.280 Show me a study that can disprove what we're seeing here.

00:25:32.300 And I'll be honest, no one has ever actually done that.

00:25:35.480 I get sent piles and piles of studies all the time saying, this study proves that the

00:25:43.080 MMR doesn't cause autism, or this study proves that all vaccines don't cause autism.

00:25:47.840 Let me just specifically say, probably the biggest study there is was last year.

00:25:52.500 They call it the Denmark study, and lots of scientists pointed to it as this is the nail

00:25:57.600 in the coffin of the idea that vaccines don't cause autism.

00:26:01.720 It took place in, was it Swedish or was it Denmark?

00:26:06.780 I want to say it was Denmark.

00:26:08.360 It might be Sweden, so it's a little bit fuzzy.

00:26:10.400 I'm pretty sure it was Denmark.

00:26:11.340 Anyway, the point being, they looked at thousands and thousands and thousands of children.

00:26:15.840 And what they said was it was a comparative study.

00:26:18.520 They called it a vaxxed versus an unvaccinated study, which is what we've been demanding from

00:26:23.660 the beginning of time.

00:26:24.900 If vaccines do make you healthier, then simply do a comparative study of vaccinated versus

00:26:29.880 unvaccinated.

00:26:30.860 But when you look at this gigantic study, what you find out is it's not vaccinated versus

00:26:35.660 unvaccinated.

00:26:36.880 It was children who got all of their vaccines plus the MMR vaccine compared to those that got

00:26:43.240 all of their vaccines, but no MMR vaccine.

00:26:46.560 So it was un-MMR vaccinated, and that was it.

00:26:50.500 Every other child had all of their vaccines.

00:26:53.740 And so what they said in looking at those two groups was that the rate of autism was so similar

00:26:59.720 between the two, this proves that vaccines don't cause autism.

00:27:03.820 And that was the headline.

00:27:05.340 Well, really, the study can only say that the MMR doesn't cause autism, right?

00:27:10.380 Because that was the only exclusionary piece was kids that got everything plus MMR and kids

00:27:15.540 that got everything but no MMR.

00:27:17.920 But here is the problem.

00:27:19.520 As I traveled the United States of America talking to parents of autistic children, I was

00:27:25.480 shocked to discover that more parents said, we never got to the MMR vaccine.

00:27:30.540 We lost our child right after the DTaP vaccine, that after DTaP vaccine, which you get much

00:27:37.980 earlier, you know, you get it several times before you're six months old, and really MMR

00:27:43.340 isn't to 12 to 18 months.

00:27:45.020 And so I would say the body of parents said to me, I would say more people claim DTaP caused

00:27:51.300 autism than MMR.

00:27:52.420 And this is the problem with the biggest study now ever done.

00:27:55.940 It does seem shocking that when you took MMR out, it didn't really make a difference.

00:28:01.800 But here's the problem.

00:28:03.060 If DTaP causes autism, then every single child in your control group was those that got every

00:28:10.080 vaccine, including DTaP.

00:28:11.720 They just didn't get the MMR vaccine.

00:28:13.960 Then you have kids getting autism from a vaccine in your control group, which is supposed to

00:28:19.660 be clean.

00:28:20.380 And yet this is touted as a brilliant study.

00:28:23.400 Essentially, let me put it like this.

00:28:24.900 I could do a study that proves that Jack Daniels does not cause inebriation.

00:28:30.320 What I would do is give one group of people 10 shots of vodka, and then I would give a

00:28:36.180 different group of people 10 shots of vodka plus a shot of Jack Daniels.

00:28:40.440 And when I compare them, they both wrecked about the same amount of cars.

00:28:44.300 They both had about the same difficulty walking a straight line.

00:28:47.880 And since this group didn't have Jack Daniels and this one did, I can say, see, Jack Daniels

00:28:53.180 does not cause inebriation.

00:28:55.140 That's how almost some version of that is how most of the science done by the pharmaceutical

00:29:01.520 industry is done.

00:29:03.220 It's a false comparison body.

00:29:06.260 That's why we keep saying you have got to do a study that takes children who receive

00:29:12.300 zero vaccines and compare it to those that got their vaccines, and then ask simple questions

00:29:18.340 like, who has more autism?

00:29:20.460 We had a meeting, Bobby Kennedy, Robert Kennedy Jr. and I had a meeting set up by Donald Trump

00:29:26.140 right after Donald Trump was elected.

00:29:27.900 If you remember, he was making some pretty strong statements about vaccines.

00:29:31.360 He talked to Bobby Kennedy about it.

00:29:33.920 We got a meeting at the National Institute of Health, sitting across from Francis Collins,

00:29:38.620 head of the NIH.

00:29:39.840 Tony Fauci was sitting right across from me.

00:29:41.740 We all now know who he is.

00:29:43.380 I've been telling this story forever.

00:29:44.440 Like, I don't know who that is.

00:29:45.280 Well, we know who Tony Fauci is now, along with 10 other of the luminaries of our vaccine

00:29:49.420 and immunology departments in America.

00:29:52.180 And we posed several problems with the program.

00:29:55.060 Number one, we said, we can't find a double-blind placebo study of a single childhood vaccine we

00:30:01.360 give our kids.

00:30:02.100 This is the gold standard of establishing safety in a pharmaceutical product, and yet

00:30:07.080 not a single childhood vaccine appears to have gone through that.

00:30:10.620 Are we wrong?

00:30:11.700 Is there a site we're not looking at?

00:30:13.040 Can you provide some paperwork?

00:30:14.560 Tony Fauci ended up saying, we don't do placebo studies because it would be unethical.

00:30:20.320 And so then, unethical meaning they believe vaccines are so great that

00:30:25.000 to have a group that's getting a saline injection as a real placebo study, that would be unethical

00:30:30.620 to them, and so therefore, they don't do it.

00:30:33.000 So they essentially just told you there's no other safety study that actually counts.

00:30:38.260 That's the only way to establish safety.

00:30:40.540 So we said to them, why don't you do, if that's unethical, why don't you do a retrospective

00:30:46.120 study?

00:30:46.360 That's called a prospective study, meaning you're going to keep kids from getting vaccinated,

00:30:51.060 and that's why they think it's unethical.

00:30:52.680 But the CDC, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, sits on a database of over

00:30:58.100 10 million people's medical records.

00:31:01.480 They follow them for life, and we do all of our scientific research using that data.

00:31:06.800 And so we said to Tony Fauci and Francis Collins, why don't you simply, if vaccines make us

00:31:13.260 healthier than not having vaccines, then why don't you do the most obvious study there

00:31:19.120 is, take the Vaccine Safety Data Link, this database of 10 million people, and simply

00:31:24.300 separate, we know there's tens of thousands of unvaccinated individuals in there, and just

00:31:29.460 do a comparative study.

00:31:30.600 Ask the computer who has more diabetes, who has more multiple sclerosis, who has more ADD,

00:31:35.740 ADHD, who has more lupus, who has more autism, who has more other learning disabilities,

00:31:41.420 Tourette's, speech delays, all of these things that are on this incredible rise in our children

00:31:46.640 in America.

00:31:47.460 And you know what they said to us?

00:31:49.340 We will never do that study.

00:31:54.180 Why is that?

00:31:55.080 Still the same thing?

00:31:56.000 The whole thing with unethical?

00:31:58.020 No.

00:31:59.060 They just said, we just don't believe there's a way to actually do that study.

00:32:04.240 I mean, that was it.

00:32:04.840 We don't believe there's a way to do it.

00:32:07.040 Let me ask you a strange question here.

00:32:08.540 Here's a strange question for you.

00:32:09.660 What big pharma company is open to it and is somewhat anti-vaccine?

00:32:16.680 What big pharma out there?

00:32:19.600 Would be anti-vaccine?

00:32:21.460 I've never met a pharmaceutical company so far that would be anti-vaccine or would be open

00:32:28.040 to doing a study like that.

00:32:29.960 I have reached out to, honestly, insurance companies.

00:32:33.040 I've met with a few CEOs of large insurance companies because I thought, certainly, you

00:32:38.340 would want to know this information.

00:32:40.660 You would want to know if vaccines are actually causing autism, which is costing the American

00:32:46.740 people now billions of dollars, right?

00:32:50.540 I mean, it's billions of dollars to take care of this skyrocketing issue.

00:32:54.340 And who's going to pay for that?

00:32:55.820 Our insurance companies.

00:32:57.020 Certainly, you guys should want to take your own databases and do a vaccinated versus unvaccinated

00:33:02.200 study.

00:33:02.560 And you know what they said to me?

00:33:04.180 We don't want to be caught questioning vaccines because we get so many government subsidies,

00:33:09.180 especially for our Medicare programs.

00:33:11.880 Our Medicare is run by these large insurance conglomerates.

00:33:15.340 That is so much money.

00:33:16.540 There's no reason to ever.

00:33:17.960 We don't care.

00:33:18.740 We make more money from there than we imagine we will ever lose from whatever problems there

00:33:23.400 would be with vaccines.

00:33:24.860 From the research you've done, what race does vaccines hurt the most?

00:33:29.580 Do you see a substantial number in certain races and nationalities over others or no?

00:33:34.980 Is it pretty across the board, same number?

00:33:36.560 I would say that it's alleged with some light scientific evidence that African-Americans and

00:33:45.200 people of color may have more injuries.

00:33:49.860 But to be honest, there's so little science actually being done around the safety of vaccines

00:33:56.520 that you can't say that for sure.

00:33:58.200 But the study at the center of VAX really looked at African-American children and saw

00:34:02.980 this large rise in autism.

00:34:05.660 We also are seeing that the numbers are increasing exponentially right now for African-American

00:34:12.080 children and Latinos around autism.

00:34:15.320 But I believe that's simply because they've been underserved medically and it was just

00:34:20.440 easier to take their children and give them a, they used to call it just retarded or handicapped.

00:34:25.620 We're only now starting to see, even in underserved communities, starting to really get full

00:34:31.680 diagnoses.

00:34:32.480 And I think that that's why you're seeing the numbers skyrocket.

00:34:35.060 But there are questions, right?

00:34:36.460 If vaccine injury is more prevalent and we go with that theory, some of the theories around

00:34:42.300 why African-Americans is we know they have higher levels of testosterone and actually 1.00

00:34:46.940 both men and women in the African-American community.

00:34:50.180 And so what we have found through other studies of aluminum in the brain and other things is

00:34:55.160 that testosterone is neuro exciting or it actually increases whatever is taking place in the brain,

00:35:02.440 whereas estrogen is neuro protective.

00:35:04.920 And so we know that women are less or girls are less affected by autism, probably because 0.98

00:35:11.160 this protective estrogen factor.

00:35:13.580 So testosterone is something that they really should be looking at more of.

00:35:17.340 And in general, there's immune system, immune issues happen to be more prevalent in African-Americans.

00:35:24.780 And this is something that is documented and known because vitamin D is the main fuel system

00:35:30.380 for your immune system.

00:35:31.860 And that is really from your absorption of the sun, obviously, because African-Americans come 1.00

00:35:37.640 from areas with so much sun, their bodies block more of the sun and the pigment does that.

00:35:43.580 Therefore, they are getting less vitamin D.

00:35:45.480 So they are more prone to immune issues, autoimmune issues.

00:35:51.540 And therefore, it might stand to reason since many of these vaccine injuries are autoimmune

00:35:55.420 disease that may be contributing.

00:35:57.980 Dale, who out there who's very, very powerful would like to see the answer to this question

00:36:05.100 about vaccination, I'm talking about benefits financially, benefit, there has to be a benefit,

00:36:11.180 forget about like, you have to have a big heart and you have to care and don't you care

00:36:14.960 about the kids, forget about that.

00:36:16.160 But let's just go straight to pocket, right?

00:36:17.940 Straight to profits.

00:36:19.100 Who would benefit from knowing exactly the consequences of MMR or the DTAP?

00:36:26.080 Who would benefit the most that would say, here's a few billion dollars, let's go do the research

00:36:29.620 on this with anybody?

00:36:30.660 Well, like I said, I still believe, you know, people who own insurance companies, right?

00:36:37.320 They're the ones that are going to pay.

00:36:38.740 You have to understand, we are going to bankrupt the health care system with autism alone.

00:36:45.280 All right.

00:36:45.740 We are now at a place where it appears that we're at three to four percent of children

00:36:49.700 with autism.

00:36:51.560 You take that out of the 75 million children that are here, you know, my son, his generation,

00:36:58.040 there's going to be a million people with autism just in, you know, as he's growing up.

00:37:02.780 They say that it costs between two and five million dollars to raise a child with autism.

00:37:09.500 Multiply that by a million children or five million or 10 million in the direction we're

00:37:14.680 going.

00:37:14.920 And those are low numbers.

00:37:15.780 As you pointed out, if we continue this rise and we get to one and two children, you know,

00:37:22.380 the truth is, is we're going to be outsizing our gross national product within just a decade

00:37:28.740 or two.

00:37:29.380 So this is a catastrophic financial issue.

00:37:32.940 Literally every banker should be worried about it, but definitely everyone in insurance.

00:37:36.880 And you are starting to see insurance companies try to pass laws to say we can't be held responsible

00:37:42.460 or have to pay for autism.

00:37:44.280 There's no way to provide any type of health insurance to the rest of the community with

00:37:49.020 the cost that autism is bringing to us.

00:37:50.900 So it's a catastrophic problem.

00:37:52.660 But honestly, every parent that ends up having an autistic child, they're going to mostly be 1.00

00:37:57.340 bankrupt that, you know, through their lives unless they have an incredible job just paying

00:38:02.040 for it themselves.

00:38:02.800 Del, is it fair to say that Robert De Niro hates President Trump?

00:38:09.600 I think that that is fair to say from what I've seen, right, on television.

00:38:14.940 Fair enough.

00:38:16.060 Who are other people of power, whether in CDC or Merck or other places like that, who have

00:38:25.400 a child that's autistic?

00:38:27.040 Do you know of any?

00:38:28.020 You know, that's something that if we don't know about it publicly, then, and there's a

00:38:34.220 few people I know about that I, again, I don't out people in their situation.

00:38:38.580 And then, and you have to understand the difficulty of that, right?

00:38:42.040 You know where I'm going with this.

00:38:43.460 A person, I do know where you're going.

00:38:45.580 And let me just say this.

00:38:46.940 A person who has a child with autism right now.

00:38:50.160 First of all, there's amazing progress in healing these children, which was something

00:38:56.920 we were told was impossible as early as, you know, 10, 20 years ago.

00:39:01.440 There are people getting their children, you know, having them removed from the autism diagnosis

00:39:06.720 and getting them back into school.

00:39:08.760 And for people, everyone, that's their goal.

00:39:11.300 And what they don't want as a famous person is imagine your child gets to be in college

00:39:16.500 and they're 20 years old and they've cleared that and they're out of that situation.

00:39:20.940 They don't want to be known as Robert De Niro's autistic kid or, you know, as, you know, there's

00:39:27.040 speculation, Donald Trump's autistic kid, because I know that that's probably the question you're

00:39:31.680 asking.

00:39:32.100 I don't, I don't know, you know, there's speculation because Donald Trump said there was a child

00:39:37.280 running around in my offices that got a vaccination and then became autistic.

00:39:43.140 People speculate around that.

00:39:44.960 But it's hard to get people to step forward because exactly that.

00:39:49.200 Nobody wants that moniker on their child.

00:39:51.640 As a public figure, you try to keep your children out of the news as it is.

00:39:56.140 You certainly don't want negative news all over your children.

00:39:58.880 That's not where I'm going.

00:39:59.680 Here's where I'm going with it.

00:40:00.660 Let me explain to you where I'm going with this.

00:40:02.080 So somebody who has been robbed before and gun, you know, point blank.

00:40:07.880 You probably think about that in a different way.

00:40:10.880 Somebody who served in the military before and went to war and saw a buddy die, you probably

00:40:15.700 have an opinion about watching, you know, saving private ride in a different way than

00:40:19.920 a person that's never served before.

00:40:21.500 Person that's given birth before natural birth is probably going to be thinking about epidural

00:40:27.280 and pitocin maybe in a different way.

00:40:28.980 Person that's gone into a fist fight before, knocked out cold and went to the hospital, broke

00:40:33.900 their jaw.

00:40:34.840 They probably know what it's like to have 30 days of the whole thing you put and you eat

00:40:37.920 through a straw.

00:40:39.000 So if a, if a, even a Robert De Niro who cannot stand politically with a side that maybe is

00:40:47.980 a little bit more prone to saying, why are we not doing some investigations on this vaccination?

00:40:53.080 On this issue, he is on the same page as President Trump, right?

00:40:58.340 On the same issue.

00:40:59.480 I'm talking about if you go to CDC or the big guys at Merck or the big guys at whatever

00:41:06.000 these companies are that are making 30 billion, you're poor for a vaccine that gets approved,

00:41:11.140 the number, give or take.

00:41:12.780 If somebody experienced that closely to them and you're looking at your child going through

00:41:18.140 this pain and suffering because you chose to give them vaccine.

00:41:22.380 There's a scene in your, in your documentary.

00:41:25.780 I couldn't watch it.

00:41:26.920 They're very, very difficult for me.

00:41:28.360 I had to look away.

00:41:29.300 It's the, uh, the mother who has her twins and she takes them to the doctor.

00:41:34.340 And while she's at the doctor, the nurse comes, gives a shot to your, to the daughter.

00:41:38.520 Both kids are fine.

00:41:39.320 They're healthy.

00:41:40.240 Daughter gets a shot.

00:41:41.260 Second shot. 0.95

00:41:41.800 She starts crying.

00:41:42.560 Mom says, don't worry about it.

00:41:43.440 She's not going to get a shot. 0.96

00:41:44.240 Takes them out, comes back in. 0.75

00:41:45.980 The son gets the three shot.

00:41:47.240 And she says, where's the other one?

00:41:48.940 And the nurse says, oh, I'm sorry.

00:41:50.200 I gave both of them to your son.

00:41:51.400 She says, no, what do you mean you're sorry?

00:41:52.720 Why'd you give both of them?

00:41:53.620 And then automatically some becomes autistic.

00:41:55.880 And while she's doing the interview, son is sitting next to her.

00:41:59.340 And she, he's what, 16, 17 years old playing video games.

00:42:02.180 You can tell he's autistic while her daughter plays piano, three languages, French, a student,

00:42:08.600 all this stuff.

00:42:09.140 I'm sitting there.

00:42:09.660 The mother is crying saying, my son's never going to experience this again.

00:42:13.460 All it's going to take is somebody who is working at CDC, somebody who's working at a

00:42:17.800 pharmaceutical place like that.

00:42:19.460 Somebody of power that experiences that personally saying, guys, I can't do this for all the money

00:42:23.900 anymore.

00:42:24.160 I can't do this anymore for me to control it.

00:42:26.260 I'm experiencing this personally.

00:42:27.780 Have you hired any investigators to go do an audit on the most powerful people and see

00:42:33.420 which one of them emotionally are willing to say, Del, I don't want you to use my name,

00:42:38.520 but here's where I'm at.

00:42:39.580 I want to be able to help you out a little bit more.

00:42:41.080 Let's go a little bit deeper.

00:42:41.900 Have you guys taken that route before?

00:42:44.340 Sure.

00:42:44.480 And that's also when you think about how do we fund the work that we do?

00:42:49.660 How do we fund the studies that we're involved with?

00:42:52.480 How do I do a weekly talk show the way that I do it?

00:42:55.420 It's because there are people, just like you've described out there, that want the truth out

00:43:00.140 there and try, but still want to remain anonymous.

00:43:03.120 Who work for CDC and major pharmaceutical companies?

00:43:06.480 Because there's a big difference between somebody who's paying you money and them.

00:43:09.800 Right.

00:43:12.860 The only people that I've known that work in industries like that usually leave.

00:43:18.120 Once they realize that they are destroying people's lives the way they just watched it

00:43:23.300 with their own child, they don't stay there.

00:43:25.640 They move on and change their career and their lives.

00:43:29.260 We had a show with who we called Merck Whistleblower, who while working as an executive at Merck

00:43:34.880 was just starting to have kids.

00:43:36.500 So he decided, you know what, let me just go look at the files on safety since I've heard

00:43:40.360 questions about it.

00:43:41.520 And as soon as he went into the Merck's files, he said, I'm never putting this stuff into

00:43:45.920 my kids.

00:43:46.740 So he's come on to my show.

00:43:48.880 I don't know if that ends.

00:43:49.960 I mean, you know, I think that we're waiting for someone so powerful that you can't shut

00:43:57.480 them down when they come forward.

00:43:59.360 But so far, J.D. McCarthy says, my child had autism.

00:44:03.420 She heals him.

00:44:04.020 They destroy her career.

00:44:05.280 Robert De Niro comes out and says, you need to see Vaxxed.

00:44:08.080 They essentially threaten to destroy his career and really, you know, flatten him.

00:44:14.000 You know, anybody that steps forward, any scientist that even decides to do a study looking into

00:44:19.580 it, the minute that study says, hey, there's more aluminum in the brains of autistic children

00:44:24.780 than any other human we've seen, aluminum, may have an issue.

00:44:29.160 That scientist is immediately called anti-vax.

00:44:32.040 And now they're funding and the school is thinking about firing them.

00:44:35.360 So there's a bullying that takes place on a level that you cannot imagine that sets out

00:44:41.720 to destroy anybody that they think is big enough or powerful enough that could do damage.

00:44:48.420 It is well known.

00:44:49.820 We will ruin you and your credibility and spend millions of dollars doing it.

00:44:53.940 So it's hard to get these people to even help with funding.

00:44:58.220 I mean, everything they say, I'm being tracked.

00:45:00.500 They know if I come forward and they find out, I'll lose my career.

00:45:04.700 I think the biggest thing for me is, man, I just want research.

00:45:07.320 That's all I want.

00:45:08.220 All I'm looking forward to is just spend some money and do some research, CDC.

00:45:11.600 And let's hold some of these guys accountable and openly come out and tell us where you're

00:45:14.800 at.

00:45:15.000 And let's find a way to improve it.

00:45:17.260 Because based on some of the people I've spoken to, some of the vaccines are good.

00:45:21.000 Some of the vaccines are not.

00:45:21.980 And some of the vaccines have consequences.

00:45:23.440 So we need to kind of go do our research and whatever's good, let's make it better.

00:45:26.360 Whatever's not, let's go back.

00:45:28.180 But it almost seems like there is this worry of these major pharmaceutical companies and

00:45:35.540 CDC and other organizations being held for a element of reparation.

00:45:40.640 I know it's the bad word to use, reparation.

00:45:42.520 But what I mean by that is, hey, let's go back and see how much you cost all these families'

00:45:47.140 lives.

00:45:47.380 And you need to pay this family this much money.

00:45:49.500 It almost seems like they're worried about that kind of a lawsuit hitting them.

00:45:53.100 So instead, let's just kind of move past and figure out a way to make it better.

00:45:56.640 But aside from that part, all the vaccines that kids are supposed to take, which one of

00:46:02.740 them concerns you the most?

00:46:05.100 And which one of them are things that are okay for us to, you know, if a parent's watching

00:46:09.260 and saying, Del, you've been doing this research for God knows how many years now.

00:46:12.280 You're around it.

00:46:12.840 You've sat down with all the best people out there on both sides.

00:46:16.940 What are some vaccines we shouldn't worry about?

00:46:19.080 What are the ones like the MMR or the DTaP that we should worry about?

00:46:22.540 What would you say to them?

00:46:23.400 Um, I would say that, first of all, I have not found a vaccine that has been through a

00:46:29.760 proper safety study in the childhood schedule.

00:46:32.260 Not one.

00:46:33.000 Not one.

00:46:34.000 Not one was ever tested against a placebo.

00:46:36.560 And not one when it tested against another vaccine.

00:46:39.480 That vaccine was never tested against a placebo.

00:46:41.640 There is no placebo in sight anywhere in the vaccines we give our kids, which means they cannot

00:46:49.060 say that they're safe.

00:46:50.560 Period.

00:46:51.440 Full stop.

00:46:52.280 End of story.

00:46:53.600 I don't inject my children with things that don't go through safety studies.

00:46:57.480 And so I've never given one of the vaccines on the schedule to my children.

00:47:02.280 Does that mean I never will?

00:47:04.380 If they cleaned up the science and actually did safety studies, and I thought the illness

00:47:10.240 had enough risk to it that the vaccine looked appealing to me, then I would consider it.

00:47:17.120 I'm not anti-vaccine.

00:47:18.480 I'm anti-injecting, number one, products that don't go through safety studies.

00:47:22.280 And number two, products that have liability protection, meaning I cannot sue the manufacturer

00:47:27.940 if it does injure me or does injure my children.

00:47:30.900 And the reason that's problematic is I know since they've never been able to be sued since

00:47:35.420 the 1986 act that took all liability away, there's been no marketed incentive to evolve the science

00:47:42.600 of vaccines.

00:47:43.460 They have absolutely zero risk.

00:47:46.060 So you know money, people, why would anybody spend money for no reason to evolve a product and make it

00:47:53.000 safer than it already is if you can't sue them anyway?

00:47:56.200 And so that perfect storm means there's not one, I would tell you, is safe.

00:48:01.660 I will say this.

00:48:02.680 I think there are vaccines that are probably more dangerous.

00:48:07.120 I think the one that scares us the most is the Gardasil-HPV vaccine.

00:48:12.780 Those are some of the worst trials we've ever seen.

00:48:16.020 And it happens to have one of the largest loads of aluminum and a form of aluminum we've never been allowed to scientifically look at.

00:48:25.320 They are keeping it hidden from the public, hidden from science.

00:48:29.620 So what that appears to be doing in teenage girls and boys' bodies is horrific.

00:48:35.420 I've reported more deaths in my travels from HPV, more paralysis, permanent paralysis in girls and fainting spells and falling down stairs.

00:48:46.640 It is a disastrous vaccine.

00:48:49.160 And I'm not the only one saying it.

00:48:50.480 There are large scientific bodies and even scientific journals that are going out of their way now demanding more transparency on the trials that approve those vaccines.

00:48:59.060 So I would say of all of them, that one is probably may prove to be the Achilles heel of the institution of vaccination and is really, really dangerous.

00:49:11.120 Do you take flu shots?

00:49:13.140 I do not.

00:49:14.300 Do you travel internationally?

00:49:16.820 Yes, but I mean, I will say I haven't.

00:49:19.800 Well, I think the closest I could say I went to Haiti right after the earthquake with the doctor's television show.

00:49:26.080 We were supposed to get a bunch of vaccines, and I opted out of it.

00:49:30.980 I opted out of vaccinating.

00:49:32.920 On the other hand, though, I did sort of opt to be covered in heavy-duty insect repellent, and I kept myself, you know, covered from head to toe.

00:49:42.180 So I took on some chemical introduction to my body saying, you know, I don't know what the mosquitoes are carrying and things like that.

00:49:48.220 So I can say that, no, I don't get those vaccinations for yellow fever or anything like that so far when I've traveled.

00:49:56.420 So you had a body-sized condom, in other words, which you had on.

00:49:59.040 Pretty much.

00:49:59.720 That makes sense.

00:50:00.500 Visually, I got it.

00:50:01.420 I just went there visually.

00:50:02.520 Okay.

00:50:03.140 What do you tell the mothers? 1.00

00:50:04.920 I just had a very good friend of mine from, I've known her for 20 years.

00:50:08.000 She messaged me, and I'm looking at the text, and she says, I'm in California.

00:50:13.160 She's got two kids, young kids, three and a newborn, six months old, and she's frightened of vaccinating her kids because of what's happened recently.

00:50:23.440 Prior to this, it wasn't really a big concern.

00:50:25.780 I put her in contact with another girl who I call her the queen of vaccines. 0.96

00:50:29.460 She is fully anti, and she's got two kids because they're worried about taking their kids to school because most kids in California, you know this, you lived in Malibu, you moved to Austin yourself, so you know how California runs.

00:50:42.000 What do you tell parents who have young kids that schools are not allowing them to go to school unless if they take the proper vaccines?

00:50:49.000 What do you tell those parents?

00:50:50.920 Number one, I'm not a doctor, and I don't give medical advice.

00:50:54.940 I only try to lead by example and report on what I can report on.

00:50:58.860 I moved out of California for all of these reasons.

00:51:03.400 I do not trust the school system, and I don't live, I don't want to live in a state where the government of that state essentially looks at how I'm living my life is illegal.

00:51:14.240 That eating organic food and drinking clear water and raising my children to boost their immune system through good health and exercise,

00:51:22.840 if that is essentially something that the government is trying to make illegal every day there in the capital, then I don't like being at odds with my government and I move.

00:51:33.760 I look at this issue through the lens historically.

00:51:37.880 I ask myself, you know, why?

00:51:40.580 I mean, I think we've all asked this question.

00:51:42.200 For some reason, I've got to be really careful how I say this, but we all studied Nazi Germany growing up.

00:51:47.800 And I think the question most people ask themselves is why did anybody stay?

00:51:53.240 It didn't happen overnight.

00:51:55.080 It happened pretty quickly.

00:51:56.120 But the atrocity slowly, you know, you started losing more and more rights.

00:52:00.580 You weren't allowed in this part of town.

00:52:02.340 And then it closed in on you until finally you're being loaded onto a train car somewhere you have no control over.

00:52:08.880 But we ask ourselves, why did they stay, right?

00:52:12.880 And I think when I was in California, I started really grappling with that conversation, which and what you recognize is it's more it is somewhat of a slow boil.

00:52:22.900 You just slowly lose your rights and you keep thinking you can accept that.

00:52:27.340 And then you've got to ask yourself, at what point does it get dangerous?

00:52:31.180 And so for people that say to me, I'm just going to have to vaccinate because I'm a single parent, let's say I got to send my child to school.

00:52:38.780 Well, I say this, I wish you the best of luck if you do that.

00:52:45.040 And I believe you're really going to need it.

00:52:48.000 But if you think that you are going to have some solace, if your child ends up having a serious autoimmune disease as a reaction to the vaccine that plagues them the rest of their lives and has them on drugs the rest of their lives trying to just get through the day.

00:53:04.520 Or even worse, if they have a neurological disorder that takes over or worse than that, they happen to die after the vaccine.

00:53:12.400 Though I think parents stepping in that situation think I didn't have a choice.

00:53:17.220 I think after the fact, you will say to yourself, actually, I did have a choice.

00:53:22.700 There is no 50 foot wall surrounding California.

00:53:26.020 The job that I do, frankly, this job is in many other states that don't have draconian laws around vaccination. 0.97

00:53:34.940 It would have been a pain in the butt.

00:53:37.280 It may have been financially difficult.

00:53:39.980 But if it comes to the health of my child, I decided I need to move somewhere where I know for a fact my child is going to be safe to be raised the way I want to raise them.

00:53:51.720 And no government is going to force me to do something that has the potential of permanently ruining their lives.

00:53:58.140 I don't think that there's anything.

00:53:59.380 You won't let yourself off the hook, even though I think people think they will.

00:54:02.820 Oh, the government made me do it.

00:54:05.020 It doesn't work for all of the parents that recognize that the vaccine caused their child's autism and they weren't even forced into it.

00:54:12.060 They're angry that they didn't even look into it.

00:54:15.060 Can you imagine if you looked into it and you knew it was a problem and you did it anyway because the government wasn't going to let you go to school?

00:54:22.220 You'll never forgive yourself is all I have to say because I've interviewed hundreds of you.

00:54:27.100 You will not forgive yourself if you have an instinct that this is not what you want to do with your child.

00:54:32.560 Please don't ever override that instinct because the consequences will not just potentially be damaging for your child.

00:54:39.740 They will ruin you for your entire life should something go wrong.

00:54:45.960 Let me just make that point.

00:54:46.980 That's a powerful explanation on how you view it for the parents.

00:54:51.680 I'm sure they're processing it right now thinking what they should be doing or what they should be doing because that's constantly coming up.

00:54:56.400 And 30% of my business is in California.

00:54:58.580 So I'm having these conversations regularly with our 15,000 agents out of those 30% that's in California right now.

00:55:03.880 Look, a couple other questions just out of curiosity.

00:55:06.760 How old is the oldest autistic person in America?

00:55:11.240 How old is the oldest autistic person?

00:55:13.020 You know, that's a great question.

00:55:15.740 I would say, let's see, we really, it would be anybody that maybe is still alive from 1939, 1943 was essentially the discovery of autism.

00:55:30.260 And it's a really good question.

00:55:32.460 And I've never heard it posed that way.

00:55:34.420 So I don't have a singular answer to that.

00:55:36.580 There is a famous autistic guy that I think is about 65 that I just saw an article about right now.

00:55:44.640 But here's the point.

00:55:46.200 Like if they're there, there's like one of them, right?

00:55:48.520 Or two of them.

00:55:49.800 When we look back at the study in 1943 by Leo Kanner, who really was the one that discovered autism, here's what flies in the face of the argument being made now.

00:56:02.920 Now we're told autism's always been here.

00:56:05.580 The reason there's an increase is we're just diagnosing it better.

00:56:08.280 Well, if that's the case, and we're at arguably one in 32 children being diagnosed with autism right now, depending on which study you're looking at, one in 20 boys because it affects boys more, then that should be the rate in every old folks home we go to. 0.72

00:56:23.320 There should be, you know, one out of 20 men and one out of 30 women in the corner of the room at 80 or 90 years old, repetitive motion disorders, never, you know, still in diapers from when they were kids, you know, unable to, you know, have social contact.

00:56:39.800 They don't exist.

00:56:40.920 They are not there.

00:56:42.380 And also to make that point clear, Leo Kanner, when he found he had about 13 kids that he had gathered together that seemed to have this similar issue, 13 is what he could find, psychologists and doctors flew from all over the world to come visit and see those 13 children.

00:57:04.620 If autism was always been here since the dawn of man at one in 32, then why did anyone need to fly anywhere to see these kids?

00:57:14.820 So your point, and I think the question you're getting to is, if there is one, I'm sure there are, if we look back 1943-ish is when we really see the first people.

00:57:24.520 So there's probably 80, 90-year-old here and there, one out of, say, every 10,000 or maybe one out of every 20,000 was the rate then.

00:57:35.800 But again, autism also does shorten your life.

00:57:38.700 They tend to, I think the idea is that you tend to live, you know, about 15, 20 years shorter lifespan than if you were a healthier individual.

00:57:48.360 Yeah, I'm looking at the, Kai sent me the information off of Wikipedia.

00:57:52.300 The oldest person with autism is a man named Donald Triplett.

00:57:57.320 Donald Gray Triplett is an American man known for being the first person diagnosed with autism.

00:58:02.880 He was first diagnosed by Leo Kanner, which is who you mentioned.

00:58:06.380 Right.

00:58:06.580 He was labeled as Case 1, born 1933, Forrest, Minnesota, I believe, 87 years old is who he is.

00:58:16.000 The reason why I bring this up is because if somebody could pull this off, it's you.

00:58:19.120 I watched a video about a year ago.

00:58:21.240 It was a very good video, very well done.

00:58:23.700 They went and interviewed Armenians who were born pre-Armenian genocide.

00:58:28.280 And there's only 33 of them.

00:58:29.720 This was done a couple years ago.

00:58:30.920 The number's lower now, but at that time, it was only 33 of them.

00:58:33.980 And they interviewed them, and they went and asked them, said, hey, so tell us what it was like.

00:58:37.840 And by the way, you have to be really old to do this interview.

00:58:40.900 And they went and asked them, what was it like?

00:58:42.480 What was the experience like?

00:58:43.460 Tell us what stories you were, what happened over here, what happened to your parents?

00:58:45.840 And it's so riveting.

00:58:48.480 It's so emotional when you watch it because it educates everybody.

00:58:52.280 You kind of sit there and say, well, I kind of got it.

00:58:54.280 So I'd be curious because I don't see a lot of people walking around in the malls with diapers on.

00:58:59.560 I don't see a lot of people when I go to hospitals, grown men walking around having, you know, the autistic movement.

00:59:05.720 And so that in itself makes you kind of think about regarding autism.

00:59:10.860 Here's another question for you.

00:59:12.400 Do you know anybody that is autistic that's never, ever in their lives taken any vaccines?

00:59:19.440 Are you aware of anybody that's never taken any vaccines that has autism?

00:59:23.320 I have not met a person that's never had vaccines that has autism.

00:59:31.240 But I have met parents that say they have a child with autism and they've never given them a vaccine.

00:59:37.300 And I believe that that is possible.

00:59:40.000 If that was the question, I absolutely do not under the belief that vaccines are the only way you get autism.

00:59:49.060 Autism, and I've interviewed virtually every scientist specialist on autism in the world, at least those that are open to discussing it.

00:59:59.460 And they mostly all agree that autism is really just children who cannot detox fast enough, that lack what are called the ability to methylate.

01:00:09.620 And there's certain genes that they're looking at that cause this problem.

01:00:13.580 So imagine it's just children that build up and it piles over the top and they have a severe reaction at some point.

01:00:20.340 So you could argue that vaccinations aren't the only toxin that is in a child that can cause autism.

01:00:28.760 It just happens to be one of the most direct delivery systems.

01:00:33.160 But our children are being born in extremely toxic levels like never before.

01:00:37.900 Or you've probably seen the studies, when they look at the cord blood after a baby's born, they're finding about 267 different chemicals in the cord blood alone.

01:00:48.660 If the mother, there's sort of a joke in medicine, if you want to chelate or detoxify the metals out of your body, get pregnant. 1.00

01:00:57.460 Well, the fetus actually filters and draws the metals, the heavy metals, the dangerous things in the mother's body are drawn by nature into the fetus.

01:01:07.240 And so that baby is being born at a higher and higher toxic level to begin with.

01:01:12.240 So there's a chance in my mind that the vaccines we give our children 100 years ago in a cleaner environment where nobody's breathing from deadly smokestacks or all the pollution in the air or fluoridated water and all of the different chemicals we eat, the glyphosate on our food.

01:01:31.720 If we were born to a clean environment, maybe the vaccines would be tolerated by children that had no other chemical levels.

01:01:38.800 But we have babies that are being born already aluminum toxic.

01:01:43.000 What happens when you give them another shot 10 or 100 times the amount of aluminum ever approved?

01:01:48.320 It just takes them over the top.

01:01:49.660 That's sort of my thinking on it.

01:01:51.500 I did meet a parent that had a very compelling story.

01:01:55.500 They had healed their child of autism.

01:01:57.740 They had done all the diet changes and they believed vaccines were the cause.

01:02:02.060 And their child had fully recovered, at least in their mind, was back in school.

01:02:06.160 And for like six years, was perfectly healthy in school.

01:02:10.100 And then one day they woke up and the child was under their dining table, you know, spinning and repetitive motion.

01:02:16.840 They totally lost him and they didn't know what had happened.

01:02:19.780 And they started calling the school.

01:02:21.760 Did he eat something?

01:02:22.900 Was there what had happened?

01:02:24.140 And they finally found out that a fluorescent light bulb had fallen in the classroom and that they just had a janitor come and sweep it up and leave the classroom.

01:02:32.880 And they believed that the mercury in that light bulb, just that little bit, didn't affect anyone else in the class, but sent their child back into autism.

01:02:41.800 At the moment, they were telling me that story.

01:02:43.920 It had been seven years and they were unable to ever recover or get their child back again.

01:02:49.360 He's now permanently autistic and severe. 0.70

01:02:53.020 So that just shows you it wasn't a vaccine that certainly, you know, had that child re-regress into autism.

01:03:00.640 These chemicals and things that are in our environment are very dangerous for certain children.

01:03:05.680 But the good part about that story is the fact that the kid went back to being normal for two weeks.

01:03:10.840 So has there been a deeper study and investigation to see what formula they used to get there?

01:03:16.020 So, and this is what's really interesting right now.

01:03:20.360 There are doctors, mostly they call themselves functional medicine doctors, that are having real success, as I said, recovering children from autism.

01:03:31.840 A lot of it uses, again, I'm not a doctor.

01:03:34.840 These are just from my interviews.

01:03:36.520 A lot of it begins with changing the diet and removing things like casein, which is found in dairy, and gluten is a huge thing.

01:03:45.480 They believe that most of them are gluten intolerant.

01:03:48.960 And I've met so many parents that said, my child didn't speak for four years.

01:03:52.620 I took them off of gluten completely, and seven days later, we heard their first word.

01:03:57.800 And that begins a process that then involves other issues, like using different forms of chelation, which is trying to draw the heavy, the aluminum and the mercury and the toxic metals out of the body.

01:04:11.320 And so you'll hear parents, different things work for every one of them.

01:04:15.180 But what is so tragic is right now in California, there's basically a witch hunt going on of these doctors that are trying all sorts of treatments and having real success.

01:04:25.580 Some of the most successful doctors treating autism now have their licenses under the review.

01:04:31.400 The health department is trying to find out what techniques they're using.

01:04:35.640 They say they're illegal.

01:04:37.380 Some of these techniques, parents will lose their kids if they find out you're doing it with your child.

01:04:43.200 So these people not only have this devastating injury on their child, and they have a medical establishment that tells them there's nothing you can do about it, your child's handicapped for life. 1.00

01:04:53.160 They finally find a doctor that has a way forward, and now those doctors are losing their licenses left and right.

01:04:59.580 And these parents are on the risk of having their child taken away by Child Protective Services by anybody that is saying they're recovering their child.

01:05:08.680 I mean, this is – it is so horrific.

01:05:11.000 We could go on for hours and hours just on that issue alone.

01:05:13.940 Transition to Bill Gates.

01:05:16.620 You know, I watched Bill Gates, him talking about vaccines, and he was getting – you know, the host asked a question saying,

01:05:23.580 are you a little bit upset about the fact that the anti-vaccine folks are kind of pushing people away from using – yes, I am a little bit upset.

01:05:29.900 Why?

01:05:30.840 Because we forget that vaccines have saved so many millions of kids' lives because of measles and all this other stuff.

01:05:36.400 But it almost came across to me as the following, and tell me, if I'm wrong, say, Pat, I don't know if I buy that hypothetical here.

01:05:44.700 Is it almost a message of saying, what would you rather have, millions of kids dying or one in 32 kids having autism?

01:05:54.320 Well, maybe let's take this because we're saving a lot of people's lives.

01:05:57.980 So, yes, there's a risk with vaccines linked to autism, but would you rather have your kids die from measles or would you rather have them go through this?

01:06:05.540 How do you process it when you watch Bill Gates give the argument of the fact that we need more vaccines?

01:06:11.600 I think that you're absolutely right.

01:06:13.520 I think that there is a risk-reward benefit mathematical calculation that's being made by individuals.

01:06:22.820 I don't personally believe that people are evil.

01:06:25.680 I think that those top scientists like Tony Fauci or Bill Gates, not a scientist or a doctor, but seems to have a lot of opinion about medicine.

01:06:34.320 I think that they believe they're doing what is right.

01:06:38.660 The problem is you have a cognitive dissonance.

01:06:41.860 You have a problem with how they're looking at the math.

01:06:45.400 Let me illustrate this by a conversation I actually did have.

01:06:49.440 I was up in Washington State, and I met one of the heads of the CDC for Washington State.

01:06:54.900 They happened to have a mumps outbreak going on at that moment, and she happened to have come to somewhere where I was speaking.

01:07:00.480 And good on her for trying to hear what the other side had to say, and I sat down and got to have a conversation.

01:07:07.120 And I asked her this.

01:07:08.060 I said, all right, let's be honest, totally off the record.

01:07:11.460 I know that there's certain things you won't say on camera, but off the record, you and I both know that there's no perfect pharmaceutical product.

01:07:21.160 There's no perfectly safe vaccine for sure.

01:07:24.780 Children will definitely die this year that are being vaccinated.

01:07:28.680 Children that may have been a future president of the United States, may have been a scientist like yourself, will not exist after this vaccine program this year.

01:07:37.340 Can we agree to that?

01:07:38.500 She says, I agree.

01:07:39.380 That is true.

01:07:40.000 I said, okay, how do you sleep at night knowing that innocent children will essentially be murdered by this vaccine program this year?

01:07:49.780 And she said, that's very heavy language, but I get your point, Del.

01:07:54.220 I sleep at night because it is the accepted casualty to achieve herd immunity, to achieve the immunity for the entire population.

01:08:05.340 And I said, okay, let me ask you one follow-up question then.

01:08:10.480 Will you please, since you are a head scientist for the CDC, will you tell me what projection is being made this year on the number of children that will die from vaccination?

01:08:22.160 And she said, we don't have the data on that.

01:08:26.740 And I said, wait a minute.

01:08:28.660 You're a scientist, which involves a lot of math.

01:08:31.320 You just used the term accepted casualty, and you're telling me you don't actually know what that casualty is.

01:08:40.220 She said, you know, I've never really thought about it, but yes, that's true.

01:08:44.980 We don't collect data on that, so I don't know how many kids will die.

01:08:50.200 And therein lies the problem that I have, Patrick.

01:08:53.040 I'm not sure that we should accept any deaths from a program, and certainly I don't believe you should be having laws that force anybody to use a product that knowingly kills innocent children.

01:09:08.220 I don't think anyone would really like to admit I'd be perfectly happy killing a child.

01:09:13.180 In fact, I asked this to a class at NYU, so I'm going to ask you something.

01:09:17.760 If there was the greatest nonprofit in the world, and it saved more elephants than anyone else, more rhinoceroses, put in toilets and clean running water in Africa and India, I mean, they did it all the best.

01:09:28.660 There's only one thing about this nonprofit.

01:09:32.080 Once a year, they sacrifice one innocent child.

01:09:37.660 Would you work for that nonprofit?

01:09:39.040 Would you donate to that nonprofit?

01:09:41.560 Would you do anything with that nonprofit?

01:09:43.720 Please raise your hand.

01:09:44.640 How many kids do you think raised their hand?

01:09:46.020 None.

01:09:47.000 Yet we are potentially looking at tens of thousands, maybe even millions of deaths.

01:09:53.380 Let me tell you what we do know.

01:09:56.620 VAERS is the reporting system, vaccine adverse events reporting system we use in the United States of America.

01:10:03.800 So if you're injured by a vaccine and you tell your doctor it's supposed to be reported to VAERS.

01:10:09.040 Well, the last VAERS document we got of all the numbers was from 2018.

01:10:15.640 It had over 60,000 reported injuries from vaccines in the United States alone.

01:10:22.420 Over 400 reported deaths from vaccines in 2018 alone, only in the United States of America.

01:10:30.640 So potentially right there you can say it's not one, it's at least 400.

01:10:36.100 But here's the problem.

01:10:37.680 Harvard Medical School was hired by the CDC a few years ago to investigate the VAERS system.

01:10:45.060 This is our data collection system to see how efficient and effective it is.

01:10:49.960 And we paid Harvard Medical School a million dollars to do this study.

01:10:53.500 So they studied the system.

01:10:55.780 They used their own Harvard Pilgrim HMO to see if they could automate a system that would be maybe more effective.

01:11:03.980 And they determined in their study that VAERS is capturing less than 1% of the total amount of vaccine injuries.

01:11:13.840 Less than 1%.

01:11:15.160 That means that 60,000 injuries should be 6 million injuries in one year.

01:11:22.060 400 deaths turns into 40,000 deaths in one year.

01:11:26.760 But Bill Gates will not fund any further research.

01:11:31.560 And the CDC did not celebrate that study at Harvard.

01:11:35.040 In fact, that study ends with Harvard saying once we started reporting the numbers,

01:11:39.600 the CDC stopped returning our calls, stopped returning our emails,

01:11:45.100 and we were not able to move forward with the plan, which was to automate the VAERS system nationwide.

01:11:52.020 Think about this.

01:11:53.280 We are the home of Apple.

01:11:55.080 We are the home of Microsoft.

01:11:56.760 We have computer learning.

01:11:58.540 We have the best data collection techniques the world has ever seen,

01:12:03.200 and none of it is being used to look at vaccine injury and death.

01:12:08.660 To me, that tells me they know they have a problem, and they just don't want to look at it.

01:12:16.040 If it happens to somebody that's very personal, a powerful person that's very personal to them,

01:12:21.900 it's going to change the game.

01:12:23.740 If it happens to someone's granddaughter, grandson, child, it's going to be game-changing.

01:12:27.540 Because when you're a true believer, you do not want to mess with a true believer.

01:12:32.220 True believers are not ones to screw with.

01:12:34.300 You can mess with somebody that's just a good salesperson and a good story.

01:12:37.980 You go up against a true believer, good luck to your life going up against them because they're relentless.

01:12:42.920 They will go their entire lives until they prove you wrong and you say we're sorry, and that hasn't happened yet.

01:12:48.020 And that's just what I'm looking forward to.

01:12:49.440 I just want to see someone in that world.

01:12:51.420 I'm not the expert.

01:12:52.420 I'm a financial guy.

01:12:53.540 I'm just doing this because I have kids, an eight, six, and a four-year-old, and I'm curious.

01:12:57.760 I want to know more.

01:12:58.400 A bunch of people keep asking me about this.

01:12:59.940 So I'm doing my level of part-time investigation to see what we can learn about it.

01:13:05.680 But that's where it's at with that.

01:13:07.340 So final thoughts, vaccine, COVID-19.

01:13:10.920 Yeah.

01:13:11.520 With them telling us the fact that it's the most important vaccine we got to take if it comes out.

01:13:18.200 Now, obviously, at this point of the game, you don't seem very confident about any of the vaccines yourself.

01:13:23.500 But if they come out with this vaccine and they're presenting it to us that we ought to take it, whether it's Fauci or Gates, how confident are you in us needing to take this COVID-19 vaccine?

01:13:33.200 Well, not at all.

01:13:34.320 In fact, I know you don't.

01:13:36.060 For the most part, 99% of this country and the world do not need to take it.

01:13:40.380 I mean, every scientific report has shown us that for, you know, 99, over 99% of us, this is a common cold.

01:13:48.480 That's just the fact.

01:13:49.880 It's a common cold.

01:13:51.080 It is only deadly for 0.26 now percent of Americans.

01:13:56.440 And we're seeing even a decline in the death rates because I think we're actually learning that we're treating it incorrectly.

01:14:02.680 So what we're talking about is a vaccine that 99.74% of us don't even need.

01:14:09.580 That's the case.

01:14:10.740 Just like a cold, this is going to be the sniffles for most people. 0.99

01:14:14.360 And people say, you're crazy.

01:14:16.540 No, listen to how many times they say the term asymptomatic carrier, right?

01:14:20.060 That means someone that is so not sick, they don't even know that they're carrying it.

01:14:24.220 That is the greater body of people.

01:14:26.360 And then if you're not that, then you're someone that just has a light cold.

01:14:29.720 There's an acute extreme response for 0.26% of our population that have other life-threatening illnesses that are putting them in harm's way.

01:14:38.820 And by the way, a common cold has always been dangerous from people that are on the late stages of heart disease or COPD or diabetes.

01:14:47.700 And that's what we're seeing.

01:14:48.700 But let's talk about this vaccine.

01:14:50.560 Number one, I'm never against any vaccine that they recommend for people to take.

01:14:54.580 Go right ahead.

01:14:55.300 It's a free country.

01:14:56.060 I have a problem with the languaging that this is going to be forced.

01:14:59.260 Bill Gates is saying he wants a forced vaccination program for all 7.5 billion people in the world.

01:15:06.000 I believe that this pandemic has been blown out of proportion in order to force the entire adult population into a mandated vaccine program just like our children are at.

01:15:16.000 In fact, I've been predicting that for the last three years on every stage I speak on.

01:15:20.180 This has been a goal by the WHO for many years, and now we're seeing it.

01:15:25.500 I believe this pandemic is being used to create such difficulty in our lives.

01:15:30.360 We can't go to work.

01:15:31.520 We're losing our money.

01:15:32.620 We have to wear a mask.

01:15:33.720 We've got to stay six feet apart.

01:15:35.140 We can't kiss.

01:15:36.140 We can't hug.

01:15:37.160 Also, they make us so miserable, so when they rush this vaccine out, we go, fine, I'll take it if that's what it's going to take to get our lives back to normal.

01:15:44.520 But know this.

01:15:45.540 It won't just be that vaccine.

01:15:47.000 The moment you allow the government to say you have to take it, you just bought into the vaccine program for every adult.

01:15:53.420 And guess what?

01:15:54.320 You didn't get the 54 vaccines your children are getting.

01:15:57.540 Now you have to catch up on 54 vaccines.

01:15:59.980 Guess what?

01:16:00.940 270 vaccines are already approved and in the pipeline you've never heard of.

01:16:05.120 And thousands of vaccines are in trials right now as we speak because the future of the industry is a product that doesn't test for safety, as I told you,

01:16:13.880 has no liability, and can be forced on you by government mandates.

01:16:18.740 It's the greatest product pharma's ever had, and it happens to be your future if you don't stand up for your rights.

01:16:24.420 Very quickly, let me talk about COVID-19 because it's the most dangerous vaccine ever approached.

01:16:30.220 First of all, if you read every headline, it's telling us, Patrick, there's two words in a sentence that I think make it the most dangerous sentence known to man.

01:16:39.800 Every time you read, they are rushing the science.

01:16:44.460 That is what we read in every headline talking about COVID-19.

01:16:48.060 I'm not exaggerating it.

01:16:49.600 We are rushing science.

01:16:51.580 That is a dangerous combination of words in a sentence.

01:16:55.440 Now let's talk about this vaccine.

01:16:57.260 It is not a brand new vaccine.

01:16:59.460 It is not another version of a measles vaccine.

01:17:01.700 They have been attempting a coronavirus vaccine for the last at least 20 years, very specifically since we had SARS, which was a coronavirus back in the early 2000s.

01:17:13.540 Multiple drug companies have been attempting to make a coronavirus vaccine.

01:17:17.540 Here's what's amazing, and I discovered in our research.

01:17:20.020 Every single animal trial by all of those different drug companies and different approaches to a coronavirus vaccine had the same result.

01:17:29.480 In every one of the trials, they used ferrets.

01:17:32.580 It's a popular animal.

01:17:33.640 I think it has a similar immune system to human beings.

01:17:36.360 They gave them their trial COVID or coronavirus vaccine, and the animals seemed to be doing just fine.

01:17:42.580 They would have said it's safe.

01:17:44.000 Look, the animal's fine.

01:17:45.340 Vaccine didn't hurt them.

01:17:46.360 They even checked their blood, and they were having robust antibody production, meaning it looks like it really works, and they're probably all jumping up and down in their laboratories.

01:17:55.260 But here's what happens.

01:17:56.540 In an animal trial, you're allowed to go one step further than you're ethically allowed to in a human trial.

01:18:01.940 That's called a challenge study where they actually put the animal in contact with the virus.

01:18:06.920 Can't do this with human beings.

01:18:08.460 But they put the ferrets in contact with coronavirus, and every single one of the trials had the same problem.

01:18:14.740 Instead of the antibodies protecting the animal from the coronavirus, the antibodies actually helped the virus attack their own immune system, and it overreacted.

01:18:26.060 They had serious upper respiratory conditions, organ failure, what's called a cytokine storm, meaning the immune system sent their body into inflammation and brain all over.

01:18:36.560 Many of the animals died.

01:18:37.820 It was so catastrophic that in these trials, you'll see at the end a caution that says we should be very careful moving forward with human trials.

01:18:46.080 Well, now we have just skipped all of the animal trials, and we're going into these small human trials that will never have the challenge study part of this.

01:18:55.060 So what I'm saying is we are rushing a vaccine that was deadly in the animal trials.

01:19:00.700 And when you think about the money, right, you think about money, you and I both know, where there's billions of dollars to be made, you will find people willing to skip some steps if it means winning the race.

01:19:13.180 And I call this the amazing race.

01:19:15.420 Bill Gates and most of the people in the world are saying this vaccine will be given to all 7.5 billion people.

01:19:21.120 If this vaccine is a cheap vaccine at $100, that means this product will make $750 billion to the winner of this vaccine race right now.

01:19:34.300 There are 100 companies in this race.

01:19:37.340 I assure you, if they have a couple of missteps or a few problems and they think, well, we can try and overcome them once the product is out, no one wants to give up that cash prize.

01:19:47.760 And so I think we are watching potentially some of the worst science we may ever see.

01:19:52.960 And now imagine if Bill Gates gets his wish.

01:19:55.440 If the WHO manages to force vaccinate the planet, we all have to get this in order to get onto an airplane or to be allowed back into our job or to have the tracking app that's on our phone say, he's allowed to go to the gym.

01:20:07.420 I have to have had that vaccine.

01:20:09.040 If that happens, Patrick, and they didn't overcome this problem, which they're describing, it's called antibody immune enhancement.

01:20:16.700 You've had Tony Fauci allude to this.

01:20:19.040 You've heard him say, there's a potential this vaccine could make people more sick.

01:20:22.880 Or Dr. Peter Hotez, who is actually a scientist that's attempted to make a coronavirus vaccine, he met with the Congress and said, we have this problem of antibody immune enhancement.

01:20:32.960 So imagine everybody gets this vaccine.

01:20:35.440 Let's imagine it's all by good scientists that think they've overcome the problem.

01:20:39.660 But they don't know why it happens.

01:20:41.220 They'll admit that to you.

01:20:42.060 We don't know why this is happening.

01:20:44.060 And they're looking at one strain of the virus.

01:20:46.120 There's already 30 mutations, Patrick.

01:20:48.720 What happens if we all get this vaccine?

01:20:50.920 And maybe a bet was fine with the virus that we came in contact with.

01:20:54.540 But two years down the road, there's a mutation to the coronavirus.

01:20:58.260 Just like there's been 30, maybe there's 70.

01:21:00.520 Maybe the 71st mutation triggers this problem where it sends our immune system.

01:21:06.580 And instead of protecting us, it attacks us.

01:21:09.500 And now the death rate of COVID is not 2.26%.

01:21:13.660 What if it's 5%?

01:21:15.380 What if it's 10%?

01:21:17.220 What if it's 80% of people start dying because the vaccine is causing them to get more sick instead of protecting them?

01:21:26.880 Here's what I know.

01:21:27.700 We have never seen a virus or a bacteria on this planet since the dawn of man that ever even came close to eradicating the species.

01:21:36.780 But I believe rushing science and forcing everybody to use it, if we make a catastrophic error, there is no way to get that vaccine out of ourselves.

01:21:47.460 And a mistake like that by people that I do think have a real God complex, that could be catastrophic for our species.

01:21:54.560 I would just always caution, I better always have the right to choose what's injected into me.

01:22:00.660 And I'll read the science myself and think, if I think that 0.26% death rate is really worthy of taking on the risk of a vaccine that killed the animals in the animal trial.

01:22:11.120 That's the biggest part.

01:22:12.280 Choice.

01:22:13.340 Let me choose.

01:22:14.340 That's it.

01:22:14.760 That's why I came to America.

01:22:15.780 I left you around to come here.

01:22:17.460 So I want one thing.

01:22:18.900 Make your argument.

01:22:20.140 Let me choose what I want to do for myself and my family up until they're 18.

01:22:24.900 They're adults.

01:22:25.440 They can do what they want to do with their family, but I want to be able to choose.

01:22:28.420 Speed round.

01:22:29.080 I'll give you a name.

01:22:29.900 Tell me one word that comes to mind.

01:22:32.000 I'll give you a name.

01:22:32.680 Just give me one word that comes to mind.

01:22:34.440 Dr. Paul Offit.

01:22:36.340 Vaccine maker.

01:22:37.780 Okay.

01:22:38.200 Bill Gates.

01:22:40.260 World dominator.

01:22:42.440 Governor Jerry Brown.

01:22:43.560 Hmm.

01:22:45.980 Liberal.

01:22:47.820 William W. Thompson.

01:22:50.120 Hero.

01:22:51.860 Colleen Boyle.

01:22:53.840 Antihero.

01:22:56.420 Walter Ornstein.

01:22:59.220 Chill.

01:23:00.900 Dr. Judy Gerberding.

01:23:03.880 Hmm.

01:23:06.680 Criminal.

01:23:08.920 Brian Hooker.

01:23:10.860 I would say hero.

01:23:11.900 Dr.

01:23:13.220 Fauci.

01:23:14.940 Wire.

01:23:16.460 Frank DeStefano.

01:23:19.120 Patsy.

01:23:20.580 Andrew Wakefield.

01:23:22.520 Hero.

01:23:23.120 Definitely a hero.

01:23:24.400 Robert F.

01:23:24.940 Kennedy.

01:23:27.940 I want to think of the right word.

01:23:29.440 I mean, I keep using hero, but Robert F.

01:23:31.500 Kennedy is one of the greatest environmental lawyers this world has ever seen.

01:23:34.580 He is putting the Kennedy name that he was born into at risk.

01:23:38.700 He's being challenged by everybody and nothing's making him back down.

01:23:42.380 I just want to say pioneer, I guess.

01:23:45.480 Pioneer.

01:23:46.200 Last but not least, Robert De Niro.

01:23:49.000 Concerned citizen.

01:23:51.220 I like that one.

01:23:52.480 Bill, I'll give you final thoughts before we wrap up.

01:23:54.880 What's the last thing you want to tell the viewer after watching this entire interview?

01:23:58.080 I want to say that we have got to learn how to critically think again.

01:24:02.920 I believe our education systems have really just washed that out of our minds.

01:24:08.080 We trust too much.

01:24:09.400 We trust authority.

01:24:11.020 We certainly trust lab coats way too much.

01:24:14.020 We saw problems in the Catholic Church that no one wanted to look at.

01:24:18.200 We have problems in the Church of Medicine that you have to start looking at.

01:24:22.280 You've got to do your own research.

01:24:24.060 Don't trust me.

01:24:25.540 Don't trust anybody.

01:24:27.200 Start doing your own research when it comes to vaccines.

01:24:31.440 You know, Vax is a great place to start.

01:24:33.500 But also just ask to read the insert wrapped around the vaccine.

01:24:36.940 Not the sheet given to you by your doctor.

01:24:39.280 Say, I want to see what the manufacturer has to state in the product box.

01:24:43.900 Start there with your investigation.

01:24:46.220 And let me just say this.

01:24:47.480 That, you know, there are people that think that Donald Trump may be the most dangerous human on the planet.

01:24:53.140 There are people that thought Hillary Clinton would be the most dangerous human being on the planet. 0.96

01:24:57.920 But this is why you never give the government the right to inject you with products you don't control.

01:25:04.560 That you don't know what's in them.

01:25:06.440 That you cannot refuse.

01:25:08.160 Because one day we may elect someone that doesn't like your race, that doesn't like your sexual preference, that doesn't like your religion.

01:25:18.120 And in the United States of America, that president is deciding what will be injected into you.

01:25:23.880 This is not an exaggeration.

01:25:25.540 The president of the United States puts into place the head of Health and Human Services, the head of the FDA, the head of the CDC, the head of the National Institute of Health.

01:25:36.160 So if they wanted to do harm to you, maybe sterilize you, maybe they don't like your socioeconomic structure, then they could do it.

01:25:45.140 We must learn from history that our freedom is attached to our liberty.

01:25:51.480 And as Ben Franklin, I believe, said, don't ever give up a little bit of liberty to achieve a little bit of safety.

01:25:59.100 You will have neither liberty nor safety.

01:26:02.920 This issue of injecting you outside of your will, I believe, is the biggest attack on freedom there has ever been.

01:26:10.960 There will be no dream of the United States of America if they use this pandemic to scare you into giving up control of your own body.

01:26:20.400 Please, get out and vote appropriately.

01:26:23.780 Ask your politicians where they stand on mandated vaccine programs.

01:26:28.980 And I hope you'll join me in saying you have the right to choose what goes into your body and the bodies of your children.

01:26:38.660 And check out my weekly talk show, TheHighWire.com, where I discuss all these issues every single week.

01:26:45.480 Bell Bigtree, thank you for being a guest on Valuetainment.

01:26:47.560 Appreciate your time.

01:26:48.420 Thank you.

01:26:49.020 And those were amazing questions.

01:26:50.260 I really enjoyed it.

01:26:51.220 Thanks, everybody, for listening.

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Valuetainment - August 31, 2020

Controversial Vaccine Movie Banned by Netflix & Apple

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