Valuetainment - September 11, 2025


“Dumped Bin Laden In The Ocean” - SEAL Team Six's Robert O’Neill QUESTIONS Osama's Burial At Sea


Episode Stats

Length

9 minutes

Words per Minute

218.70897

Word Count

1,999

Sentence Count

166

Hate Speech Sentences

14


Summary

Why did the CIA dump Osama bin Laden's body in the middle of the ocean? Why did they do it? What was the plan for the mission? And why did they dump his body there? What is the truth about what happened to him?


Transcript

00:00:00.000 So Cole could have been SEAL Team 6.
00:00:02.320 I think here it says SEAL Team 10.
00:00:04.240 But, you know, so he's CEO.
00:00:05.900 We're sitting there talking, and I ask them a question.
00:00:08.100 That's my challenge with it.
00:00:09.560 And you're the main guy that can push back on this, so please do so.
00:00:13.260 So for me, I sit there, and here's how I think about it.
00:00:16.160 We hear about the kidney failure Osama was having back in 2002, right?
00:00:22.160 When they're saying these types of kidney failures,
00:00:24.320 you're lucky if you live 6 to 12 months.
00:00:26.840 Best case scenario, five years.
00:00:28.360 The guy lives nine more years.
00:00:29.600 Okay.
00:00:30.000 So there's one camp that says the guy was already dead.
00:00:33.440 Then you have the second camp that says, well, you know,
00:00:35.820 where he was stationed at in Pakistan was 0.8 miles away from the west point of Pakistan,
00:00:43.600 which they call a cackle or a K-A-K-U-L.
00:00:47.220 Phenomenal name.
00:00:47.820 It's like a military training camp base that they have there.
00:00:50.880 And so that's 0.8 miles.
00:00:51.920 So Pakistan always knew where he was, and that was their way of keeping him in control,
00:00:57.360 and that was intentional.
00:00:58.480 If anybody wanted to take him out, they had him under control, and that's the Pakistan.
00:01:02.160 Okay.
00:01:02.360 Third one is when you sit there and think about it and say, all right, we took him out,
00:01:07.680 and then we decide to dump him in the middle of the ocean.
00:01:10.380 If we decide to dump him in the middle of the ocean, the history of America, that's never happened.
00:01:13.960 The only place that's ever happened to is in the movie Optimus where Megatron is dropped in the middle of the ocean.
00:01:20.180 And I think that movie was, like, right around the time where that movie, where the whole scene happens.
00:01:27.180 Then, while you're talking about all this stuff, which is really the craziest thing, is after Osama bin Laden dies,
00:01:35.440 you know, when that event takes place, within 18 months, Zero Dark Thirty comes out.
00:01:41.780 Yeah.
00:01:41.840 18 and a half months, Zero Dark Thirty comes out.
00:01:44.100 So I go in there, and I look into Zero Dark Thirty of all the movies that they've done, the producers.
00:01:50.100 It's Anna Pornup Production Company, and out of all the movies, they've done Hurt Locker.
00:01:55.340 They've done Foxcatcher, The Wrestler Story.
00:01:59.580 They've done Her.
00:02:01.540 They've done so many big movies that you can go, American Hustle.
00:02:05.220 There's Joy.
00:02:06.500 They've done so many great movies.
00:02:07.940 They've also done The Sausage Party, which I don't know if you know what that is.
00:02:10.600 If you do, you have a certain sense of humor.
00:02:11.820 I think that's the only one of those I've seen.
00:02:13.520 Vice is also one.
00:02:14.500 You may have seen Vice as well with Dick Cheney.
00:02:16.240 Do you know, out of all the movies they've ever done, out of all the movies they've ever done,
00:02:20.260 I researched to see what was the fastest movie they ever made.
00:02:23.260 The fastest movie they've ever made in 18 months was Zero Dark Thirty.
00:02:26.800 So Osama bin Laden dies May of 2001, if I'm not mistaken.
00:02:32.020 May of 2011.
00:02:34.020 May of 2011.
00:02:35.820 May 2nd, 2011, if I'm not mistaken.
00:02:38.960 Then the movie comes out December of next year, 2012.
00:02:43.420 So you're talking 19 months-ish, year and a half.
00:02:46.060 They've never made a movie faster than that.
00:02:47.880 So I sit there and I say, what did they know?
00:02:50.820 And then there's just too many things for a regular guy like me to question and say,
00:02:54.960 did we really kill this guy if we did?
00:02:56.620 Why would we dump his body in the middle of the ocean?
00:02:58.500 I don't know.
00:02:58.880 So what do you say to that?
00:02:59.800 I disagreed with that off the bat because they did tell us even before we went on the mission
00:03:04.400 that was the plan.
00:03:05.440 And again, going back to leaders not really understanding how stuff works,
00:03:09.720 they said they don't want a shrine for Osama bin Laden for people to go worship,
00:03:13.660 not understanding that hardcore Sunni Muslims are not going to go worship a shrine
00:03:16.820 because you worship a lot.
00:03:19.220 That's it.
00:03:19.620 This way, don't draw pictures of Osama bin Laden.
00:03:20.820 And I've read that as well.
00:03:21.960 So I agree with you.
00:03:22.940 So I disagree.
00:03:26.180 I didn't dump him in.
00:03:27.360 I didn't see him get dumped in.
00:03:28.540 I get asked now.
00:03:29.200 People will say, how do we know his body's not at the agency in that of Betadine?
00:03:32.700 I don't know that.
00:03:33.760 When we brought his body to Jalalabad, Afghanistan,
00:03:36.820 we showed Admiral McRaven, who was in charge of Joint Special Operations Command,
00:03:39.980 and the CIA team, especially the woman that Zero Dark Thirty was about,
00:03:43.420 showed them the body there.
00:03:44.980 We had a quick debrief around the body discussing exactly what happened.
00:03:48.440 Then we brought his body up to Bagram Airfield,
00:03:50.400 where the three-letter agencies did their stuff,
00:03:52.000 and then we handed him over to the Army.
00:03:54.100 And they were Green Berets, maybe Delta.
00:03:56.400 They took his body.
00:03:58.000 That's the last I saw him.
00:03:59.120 I've been told, like everyone else, they dumped his body in the ocean.
00:04:01.340 He wasn't there.
00:04:01.800 So I can't confirm it.
00:04:03.420 But that's what happened there.
00:04:04.600 But with, let's see, oh, as far as the kidney dialysis stuff, I think—
00:04:11.940 O2.
00:04:12.040 O2 was when the CIA started reporting.
00:04:14.740 He's got kidney issues.
00:04:15.620 He's got maybe five to ten months left.
00:04:17.000 That's counterintelligence.
00:04:18.120 Right.
00:04:18.440 Because sources get paid, and they're smart enough to know,
00:04:23.740 to tell people enough just to get paid.
00:04:26.080 And I don't want to give too much up because this is my source of income.
00:04:28.180 I come in, I tell them stuff that get paid, tell them more stuff.
00:04:30.600 If someone comes in and says, yeah, this has definitely been law,
00:04:32.740 and I saw the dialysis, the targeter would know, no, you didn't,
00:04:35.480 because he didn't have one.
00:04:36.560 So his kidneys were fine.
00:04:39.360 Okay.
00:04:39.900 So the kidneys are fine, and this is a report that came from who?
00:04:43.300 What's this one?
00:04:43.940 The Guardian.
00:04:44.360 The Guardian.
00:04:45.280 The President of Pakistan, General Pervez Musharraf, said yesterday he thinks
00:04:49.580 Osama Bin Laden had probably died from an untreated kidney disease.
00:04:52.880 I think now, frankly, he is dead for the reason he is a patient, kidney patient.
00:04:57.420 General, continue to tell CNN, contradicting U.S.
00:04:59.700 intelligence officials that say they do not know if Bin Laden has suffered
00:05:03.100 from kidney problems.
00:05:03.860 He said he knew the Al-Qaeda leader had taken two dialysis machines into
00:05:08.480 Afghanistan, one was specifically for his own personal use.
00:05:12.380 I don't know if he has been getting all the treatment in Afghanistan.
00:05:15.200 So you're saying this isn't true?
00:05:16.960 Yeah.
00:05:17.300 I'm saying it's counterintelligence.
00:05:18.420 And then again, as we've seen, especially recently, a lot of media outlets
00:05:21.220 are just an extension of intel agencies.
00:05:24.140 So, and again, I like to just speak from what I've seen.
00:05:28.560 Like, I wasn't on the moon, so I can't say they landed there.
00:05:31.200 I was in Bin Laden's bedroom.
00:05:32.440 There was no dialysis.
00:05:33.440 And he seemed fine.
00:05:34.160 He was walking when I met him.
00:05:35.520 And there, you know, there was nothing in there to indicate that at all.
00:05:38.860 Then you start getting into Pakistan.
00:05:40.560 They have every reason to, because that's the center of the universe in that part of
00:05:45.440 the universe.
00:05:45.920 They have every reason to not necessarily piss off Al-Qaeda too much.
00:05:49.680 So being close to the academy, yeah, I mean, the ISI knew he was there.
00:05:54.260 Parts of it did.
00:05:55.400 Parts of the intel.
00:05:56.080 Not all of the military, I doubt it.
00:05:57.340 But even when we were presented with it, there was a couple of options to get Bin Laden.
00:06:01.600 And we had the team they picked in a room when they were naming the options.
00:06:06.060 And one of them was a multilateral mission with the Pakistanis.
00:06:09.540 And we're like, yeah, try that.
00:06:10.940 And he'll be gone before we even get in the helicopters.
00:06:14.820 So Pakistan knows he's there.
00:06:16.140 And again, too, when people ask about the response, we're that close to their West
00:06:21.240 Point, you got to figure up in New York, if we were invaded near West Point, it wouldn't
00:06:24.940 be the cadets showing up.
00:06:26.040 It would be the local police.
00:06:27.720 So the cadets aren't showing up.
00:06:28.780 It doesn't, I mean, yeah, they know he's there, but there's not going to be an assault
00:06:30.880 force.
00:06:31.300 I had a bigger concern going into Abbottabad, Pakistan, wasn't dealing with the Pakistan
00:06:36.720 army.
00:06:37.120 I didn't want to kill a Pakistani policeman because we're in his country, not at war.
00:06:40.380 He doesn't know why we're there.
00:06:41.240 He's doing his job.
00:06:42.320 And I want to be very sensitive.
00:06:43.660 I'm not going to go blast some policemen in Pakistan.
00:06:46.140 Um, so, uh, uh, so many different moving parts.
00:06:50.320 A lot of them I have theories on some of them I've seen, which is what I believe, but the
00:06:53.560 rest is sort of just hearsay.
00:06:55.520 Got it.
00:06:56.080 So the Pakistan, now was Pakistan working with you guys as a team?
00:07:00.260 Did they want them to be taken out or no?
00:07:02.120 I don't know.
00:07:02.760 Um, I know one of their colonels was living across like the, like a couple hundred meters
00:07:07.180 away.
00:07:08.240 And I, I mean, they could have told us, I don't even know how the intel worked, but he was
00:07:12.620 definitely there.
00:07:13.360 And to the point, I think the Pakistani intel service was working with him so tight.
00:07:18.180 That's why even like Khalid bin Laden was confused on the stairs.
00:07:20.780 They heard something in the front yard.
00:07:22.100 They're not quite sure who's here.
00:07:23.200 Is it the Pakistan military coming in to move us?
00:07:26.300 Maybe, maybe not.
00:07:27.520 Are our tactics that good that we're so quiet?
00:07:30.400 That's also true because we were that good.
00:07:32.720 But I mean, Khalid bin Laden got killed on the stairs because the guy in front of me confused
00:07:36.460 him, just whispered to him, you know?
00:07:38.100 So they're not necessarily like the, in the guest house guys got shot at and then there
00:07:42.780 were other shots.
00:07:43.300 But like even going up the stairs, Khalid was armed, but he wasn't shooting down the stairs.
00:07:46.260 Like a lot of guys have, places where I've been in urban combat, fighting up in a house
00:07:51.100 is very dangerous.
00:07:52.240 And he was kind of waiting, not shooting.
00:07:54.040 And there was confusion.
00:07:55.420 So what they knew, what the Pakistanis knew.
00:07:58.500 And then, I mean, just the way that Pakistan was pissed off and embarrassed kind of tells
00:08:03.100 you they knew what was happening.
00:08:04.300 And if, I mean, who knows, maybe the Taliban would have given us bin Laden, even though
00:08:08.520 they said they wouldn't, and then Pakistan might have.
00:08:10.320 But there's a lot of stuff going on.
00:08:11.640 I mean, everything from saving face to the military industrial complex.
00:08:15.180 You know, whose pockets aren't getting lined if we kill them in Tora Bora in 2002, as
00:08:20.280 opposed to fighting a 20-year war.
00:08:22.380 You know, there's a lot there that, you know, I'm at a point now, since after COVID and the
00:08:27.060 lockdown, it's like, you know, get multiple sources before I believe anything.
00:08:31.440 Hey, what is up?
00:08:32.340 This is Robert J. O'Neill, former SEAL Team 6 operators.
00:08:35.740 I was fortunate to be on some of the most high-profile missions in our very long war on terror.
00:08:40.400 But I am now on Menecht, and you can connect with me there.
00:08:44.560 And we can literally talk about anything.
00:08:46.680 You can text.
00:08:47.880 We can do video calls.
00:08:48.980 I can give you messages.
00:08:50.440 And, you know, go to Menecht, find me.
00:08:52.760 Literally nothing is off-limits.
00:08:54.300 Any crazy questions you have that you may or may not want the answers to, I am more than
00:08:58.260 happy to do it.
00:08:58.820 So find me on Menecht.
00:08:59.780 Again, this is Robert J. O'Neill.
00:09:01.880 See you there.
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