Employee Caught Working at 4 Companies
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Summary
In this episode, I talk about how to deal with a situation where you have multiple employees working at multiple startups at the same time. In this case, a guy in India, Sohar Parekh, who has been working at 3-4 startups in India. He has been a fraudster for a long time and now he is asking people to give him a break.
Transcript
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So a founder entrepreneur exposes a previous employee at his company and he puts it out on Twitter and it goes viral.
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There's a guy named Soharam Parekh in India who works at three to four startups at the same time.
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Beware. I fired this guy in his first week and told him to stop lying, scamming people.
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He hasn't stopped a year later. No more excuses.
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Now you may be watching the same path. Give me a break. Maybe the guy was doing it right.
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What's wrong with him having multiple jobs? You should give him a break.
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This guy's maybe telling the truth. He's now come out asking people, please, can I change?
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Is there anything I can do about it? And when the guy posts his name out there,
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a bunch of entrepreneurs that hired this guy as well started saying things.
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He said, this guy's such a liar that he would change his resume, put different job postings,
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recreate a different profile with a company. He says, one time we said, where are you based out of?
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I'm out of US. He sent him a laptop. The guy sends him a laptop. He sent it to his sister's house
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who's living in US. This guy's in India, such a big fraudster of a thing that happened here.
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But is it really on this guy or is it on the employers that are hiring Ken?
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Because this happened to me a handful of times and I'm going to share about a few things
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Here's how simple it is for me when it comes to work from home. If you're so good at working
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from home, start a business. If you're such a good disciplined person working from home that
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you won't go to TV, watch Netflix, go to the break, hang out, bring your girl over, do so many
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great things. If you're so great at it, start a damn business. Forget about having a job working
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from home. Do it for yourself. Be a solopreneur. You're such a great disciplined person. You ought
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to be able to do it now. A lot of people get back. Give me a break. Some of us don't have the money.
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I started a business. I don't have any money. You're claiming you're so disciplined. Then do
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it because in my opinion, and I've hired many, it works very rarely. It's worked for me with a few
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people, but most of the time, I'm not a fan of work from home. Working from home mainly benefits
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the one working from home. Let me say it one more time. Working from home mainly benefits
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the one working from home. Watch this. So this is the guy, right? That he said, well,
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I needed the jobs. You don't understand. I was working 140 hours a week for all the companies
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and all these other founders of this different companies that hired him. You know, one of them
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from Antimetal, Fleet AI, Lindy, Create, Synthesia, War, all of them said, reported quickly, quick
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hires followed by rapid terminations, wants to overlap and underperformance became clear. Like
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the moment we hired him and then all of a sudden he's not doing the job, boom, fired him. But this
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guy's going to prey on other people. There's thousands of small businesses. They can rip off
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with a nice fancy resume that are not going to call the references and the references could be
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a cousin or somebody you pay 50 bucks to go give a good reference. Oh yeah. Let me tell you,
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you work for us, did a great job on coding and all this stuff. You simply give them a script. Can you give
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them a script on what to do when somebody calls a reference call so I can give to my boss? It's not hard to do
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nowadays. Everything is easy, right? When you're going through it. Here's what he said in an
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interview. He admitted the truth. He had multiple jobs working approximately 140 hours a week,
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driven by dire financial necessity, not greed. He said he personally wrote all the code and didn't
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count on any other engineers or AI. Really? Yeah. Listen, he got a job offer to go work in San Francisco,
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$250,000 job offer that he said no to. You know why? Because it wasn't remote. You have to work out of an
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office. $250,000 your job. He said no to because that company knew that they only wanted you to
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work from home. And imagine if they said yes, the way you automatically filter out PS is what work
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from the office. You give them the computer. I can track what you're doing on the computer.
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Anything else you do, it's on you. Now watch a company said, look, there are so many stories like
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this. We're going to hire somebody to go catch all of them. This is a funny story. The guy doesn't give
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his real name, but they use the name Eric here. So a millennial named Eric gets a job and his tech
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company hires this guy who's supposed to track down employees secretly working multiple jobs for
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this company. So he goes in and he starts tracking them. After tracking what everybody else is doing
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within the company, not nationwide or internationally or industry-wise, just for the small company that
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it was working for. This is his job description. Looking for workers who outsource their job
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responsibility to overseas contractors, number two, foreign actors who infiltrated companies by
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posting as legitimate hires and employees secretly juggling multiple jobs without the company's
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approval. You know what ended up happening after he started investigating it? After he started looking
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at everybody, he became so inspired that he started doing it himself. And then all of a sudden,
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he applied and landed multiple remote jobs at companies, bringing his combined annual income to roughly
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$300,000 a year. He said he only worked a couple hours a day across the jobs, yet made $300,000.
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Now, whose fault is this? Eric's fault? Is it this guy's fault? You know what's the worst thing about
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this guy? This face is going to be there forever. You know what it's like? You know that HR guy and the
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CEO, you know the guy, the CEO guy with a beautiful wife at home with multiple kids, he's hugging the
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head of HR at a Coldplay conference that even the Coldplay guys like, either they're shy or they're
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cheating, right? They're both married. Either they're having an affair or they're just very shy.
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You know how many people kept, now that's a meme, that baseball games, everybody's making fun of them.
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For the rest of your life, he's probably going to get so much play from all the girls. Oh my God,
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he is such a rebel. I like him. Hey, are you willing to hug me from the back and all this bullshit?
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But you know what's going to follow him forever? His reputation. Forever. This is forever.
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Forever. It's reputation. Who the hell is going to hire somebody like this? And he's going to try to,
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I hope he saved a lot of it. He better become a small business owner learning how to make money.
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Because in life, we make mistakes. I'm not sitting here telling him to make mistakes and we all walk
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from water. Not at all. We make mistakes. But this kind of a mistake, is it a crime? Depends. If
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you're on financial services, you have to give an OBA, outside business activity. Whatever job I had,
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I had to report it to my branch office manager. If I had my series 766-3126 securities, that is a crime.
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That is something they can fine you on. Is he committing a crime? No. Now watch this pattern here,
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what we'll learn. So as you go through the story, a couple of the stories comes out. You hear about
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the over-employment that, oh my God, people are getting multiple jobs. And in 2024, research came
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from sidehustle.com, found that one third of remote workers maintain multiple jobs and 25% of employees
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hold multiple positions, averaging 50 hours per week across their roles. So you read these stories,
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right? And more people that are doing multiple jobs are women than men. It's 26% of women and only 18%
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of men. And then it comes to this one story, which I love. His name is Dmitry Zaitsev,
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founder of talent management companies, Dandelion Civilization. He said this to CNBC,
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Silicon Valley's obsession with productivity metrics and fast hiring has created conditions
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where a person can juggle five roles. So he's putting it on who? The companies. You know why?
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Let me finish the sentence. And not because it's efficient, but because no one is truly looking.
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I'll read it one more time. Silicon Valley's obsession with productivity metrics and fast hiring
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has created conditions where a person can juggle five roles, not because it's efficient,
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because no one is truly looking. You ain't holding anybody accountable. I remember one time I had an
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HR guy that was working for me, secretly lazy guy, was so impressive, was secretly lazy guy.
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Did you call the reference? Of course I did. And finally I went and looked in myself and I said,
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so tell me about it. No reference calls were being made for months. Like we're hiring people
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without reference calls. Yes. What are you talking about? Yes. Another thing happened to me. I've been
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around for a while, guys, at one of my engineers who I hired. Let's say he's working out of, I don't
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want to say the place, let's just say he's working out of Arizona. Without telling anybody, he had
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moved to Nevada. His whole family moved to Nevada. Didn't tell us for months. This guy, we're paying
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a W-2 salary. Full-blown W-2 salary. Benefits, equity, everything. We'll treat them royally. He's only
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required to come here once every other month. Now I find that through somebody else that he's not there
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anymore. Not internally here in the company. We're on a Zoom. And I just wanted to look at his eyes to see
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if he would be honest with me. If he would have told me the truth, I would have kept him. And I
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said, so how are things in Arizona? I know for a fact he's gone, not because of social media sites,
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but I know for a fact, like it's not, I know 100% he's gone and I know he's got another job. So he's
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trying to do both jobs. This is a multi six-figure salary. And he says, oh, things are great here in
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Arizona. I was like, really? Yeah. Very good in Arizona. I'm like, fantastic. That's great to hear.
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That was his last day. We kept him for a few more weeks, but I know I could never trust him.
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Now here's the thing. In his eyes, he may think that he fooled us and he got a couple salary,
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but I will never give him a good reference. If he ever wanted one, if he says, I don't give a
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shit about getting your reference. I totally get it. But you know who won't give you a reference?
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You know who that matters the most? The man in the mirror won't give you a reference. You can fool me.
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You can fool hundreds of different employers. You can fool a bunch of different people. When you look at
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yourself in the mirror, you don't respect yourself because you're a con. You can fool other people.
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That's a very difficult person to be with. And if you can do that, no power to. Many of us can't do
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it. You mean to tell me you're fooling four or five different companies that you got a job and
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you're doing something like this? Are we supposed to say it's his fault? Yeah. I mean, he's embarrassed
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publicly. The only reason the guy who posted the tweet, if you want to go read the whole tweet,
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go to my profile and go all the way down and look for this guy's tweet so you can read it.
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The best part about this tweet is the comment section. He posts the guy's resume and then he goes in and
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one guy says the following, that why do you feel moonlighting is wrong? If he aced the interviews
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and was the best so you hired him, what's wrong with that? He responds, gets nothing done, made up
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constant lies, corroborated by six other companies. The tweet will service 10 plus more. You'll see.
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He continues. Another person says, if you're going to call someone out, you should do it right and link
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to some creds. Lots of people with same name will be hurt by this. He says, that won't help.
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This is a scammer. He will change his email, Git, LinkedIn, et cetera. When we fired him,
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he immediately changed his GitHub username and such. You go through seeing stories like this
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happens all the time, but whose fault is it? Nobody told you to hire somebody overseas. Say
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you got to work at the office. That's how you do it. Or you get paid per project. You get done.
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If I'm going to hire you, I'll much rather hire a, I'll never forget. I hired my CTO that's been
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with me now for about four or five years, five years. He sold his software to Prudential for $600
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million. He's been my CTO out of Dallas. And while I'm hiring him, I said, you've been
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on the other side selling services for engineers to code projects. Why would I hire you to come
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in if that's what you've done? He says, well, the difference is in many cases we can hire
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20 engineers internally. Sometimes it benefits to hire an outsource somebody outside that
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we pay by project getting done. And if I can figure out how many hours it takes to get this
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project done, then we can save money in HR because it's a headache dealing with so many
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different engineers. Well, that's a different story. Hey, if you do X, Y, Z update on the
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software, that's going to cost us 200 hours with engineers per $60 per engineer, $100 per
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engineer, a hundred hours, a hundred dollars, $10,000. Great goal. So the responsibility is
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on that guy to do it. But if you hire an internal employee working elsewhere that you can't track,
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you're risking it yourself. I've taken that risk many times because I'm sometimes in a city
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that can hire the right engineer locally because maybe the talent pool is in there for me to find.
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So again, I can say this over and over with many other stories of what happens, but the reality of
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it is it comes back to the entrepreneur and the CEO. I wrote a few things. So now somebody may say,
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well, Pat, the climate is so bad. You need to have multiple jobs. And so what should we do?
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Whatever you do, protect your reputation. When COVID was happening, we're on the podcast.
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It's me, Adam, and another guy. And this other guy, one name, and Adam over here is like,
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if you have to lie to go get a different job and get your $40,000 more, go get the bag,
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go get the bag. And I'm like, I'm telling you, don't listen to these guys. Don't do it. Go get
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the backpack. You don't know you have money at that. Your character and your reputation is going to
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follow you forever. It's going to follow you forever. If you stay with a company that you do
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right and they take care of you long-term and you're straight up with them, they know they can't
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find somebody like that out there. They're going to value you. They already know a bunch of other
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people are doing that. So for me, long-term credibility wise, I wouldn't do it. Short-term
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quick respect, short-term quick payback. Great. Go do it. Just make sure you're asking the right
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person for counsel. By the way, you say you want to make more money. Nobody asked you to choose that
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career. You chose that career. God gives all of us different passions and different talents. You
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still can't find a way to be the best you can do with the job that you have. So company, career,
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college brainwashing, the job you took, fine arts major, lifestyle, you know, economy, saving skill,
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all of these things add up. But for the company that's going through this, as you're hiring people,
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references call them, hire people in the office, create specific tests and protocols. And when
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you're calling references, ask the person who you're calling for references. So you can go look
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at the person on LinkedIn. If the person giving you reference is a real person, test everybody.
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Nowadays with AI and ChadGBT, everyone's being tested, but it's still on you and I to check.
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If I have a daughter or a sister or a friend who gets played by a guy, is it the player's fault or
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the person that got fooled? Whose fault is it? Everyone gets played, but it's on the person that gets
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for a guy. Man X me says, Hey Patrick, I just sent $115,000 of Bitcoin to a guy because he started
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an accelerator. So let me tell you what I did. A guy that was doing scamming, saying the fact that
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he was my Bitcoin guy and I could invest $25,000 to him. You know what I did? I found out the website
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website and I called him myself. Is this the program that Patrick B. David endorses from
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Valuetainment? Patrick B. David is the founder of this? Of course. He is the founder. I'm just a broker in charge
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of his site. Okay. So you work for Patrick B. David? I just want to make sure this is tied to him
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because if it's not, I'm not going to. I work for him. My work here is to direct you guys
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and assist you. I called him so many times and he told me he's Patrick B. David's personal scan,
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personal Bitcoin manager and he manages all my money. I stayed with him. I said, tell me about
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what your relationship is with Patrick B. David. I don't know the clue with this guy's. How long
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you spent? I spent a lot of time with him, but you're asking too many personal questions. So you work
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directly for Patrick B. David. So are you the person that manages all his crypto account? Yeah.
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I'm not the only one. I can manage all crypto accounts. I'm not a robot. We have other people
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who manage other accounts. Wow. Eventually, 20 minutes later, I'm talking to the guy and calling
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him six, seven, eight times. He can watch old video. Eventually, I said, this is Patrick B. David.
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Click. He hangs up. So it's a very interesting time, but it falls on us. If you got played,
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you got played. I've been played before, but I try to get sharper and sharper and sharper.
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Employers need to get better today or else people like this, when they see this video,
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you know the average person that sees this video, what they're going to do. Some of the people that
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are like, oh my God, let me go try this right now. Go get four or five jobs. People don't watch this
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video. They're like, oh, okay. They're going to be like, oh, that's a great idea. I'm going to go
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get three, four, five jobs. Short-term, short-term, short-term, short-term, short-term, long-term.
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I don't know how I got here. I do. Many do. You don't because you chase the short-term.
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I really wonder who loved this video, who hated this video, but for the right person,
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we just saved you millions of dollars for the right person. That may be only 200 of you,
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but everybody else that watch, think long-term, not short-term. If you got value out of this video,
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give it a thumbs up and subscribe to the channel. If you've never joined a PBD entrepreneur circle
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others. When you're going through stuff like this, it's a great place to filter things out.
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And if you've never seen this video with this frog guy, this guy right here, I'm going to put
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the link up here. Go watch the video. Fully entertaining. Take care, everybody. Bye-bye.