Episode 182： Mafias Most Wanted Card Magician - Richard Turner
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1 hour and 5 minutes
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Summary
In this episode, we interview the greatest card mechanic in the world, Richard Turner. He is a close up magician, 8-Degree black belt, and was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2017. In this interview, we talk about how he got started in his career, and what it takes to be a good card mechanic.
Transcript
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30 seconds. One time for the underdog. Technician sequence start.
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Let me see you put them up. Reach the sky, touch the stars up above.
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Cause it's one time for the underdog. One time for the underdog.
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Look, I've sat down with a lot of different people in my career, but one of the things I can tell you,
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sometimes I'll sit down with a person and I'll interview them, and afterwards, the commentary of people will say,
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oh my gosh, I never knew about this guy. This guy's amazing. Who is this guy? I learned so much.
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This is one of those interviews, and that's with Richard Turner.
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Richard Turner's the greatest car mechanic in the world. Eight degree black belt, and a few other things that he'll talk about,
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but there's one thing at the end that's going to shock you.
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And about 10 minutes into the interview, he's going to reveal something to you.
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That if you're in your car driving, in your room, wherever you're at, you're going to get the chills all over your body.
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So with that being said, here's Richard Turner.
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I watched his documentary last night. It's called Delt. Only two documentaries have brought tears to my eyes,
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and you know I love documentaries. One was Senna, and the other one is His Life Story,
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which is one of the most emotional yet inspirational documentaries I've watched in my life.
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In the world of magicians and card mechanics, he's not recognized as one of the best.
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He's recognized as number one. You know you're number one.
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And when the best come and ask you for an autograph and picture, that's who we're talking about.
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Just to announce a couple of the things that he's had recognition-wise,
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he was a 2015 and 2017 close-up magician of the year from the Academy of Magical Arts.
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And on top of that, in 1982, Siegfried and Roy honored him with a Golden Lion Award in magic.
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So with that being said, again, there's going to be a surprise reveal in about 5 to 10 minutes,
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but I want to introduce to you a very special guest, Richard Turner.
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Richard, thanks for being on with us here on Valuetainment.
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I am so honored to be with you here today, Patrick. It's very cool.
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So excited about this interview because I am a product of studying people,
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and there are some that you study that you see,
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wow, this person really took their game to a whole different level.
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But you've been able to do it in your profession, in your personal life,
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in parenting, in your health, in so many areas.
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And I want to get into topics of, you know, divergent, obsession,
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you know, some of the experiences with your sister,
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which we'll get into, maybe a little bit of Phil Ivey,
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on what happened with him at UK when, you know,
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the $10 million issue that he had, I think was 7.2 million pounds.
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And then some other topics which will happen after the reveal.
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But prior to doing that, why don't you kind of do a little bit of your work
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And you mentioned that term, and generally the public,
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And the term goes back like 50 years before the invention of an automobile.
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And a card mechanic is somebody who can fix a card game.
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under just about any set of circumstances you set before me
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which is different than a close-up or a card magician.
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Magicians learn certain tricks for the purposes of fooling and entertaining,
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but those tricks will not give them any advantage at the card table.
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The techniques for the card table are literally thousands of times
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There's a dozen, half-dozen, top world-class card mechanics,
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But the bottom line, when you play poker, blackjack, bridge,
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whatever the game, you want to make sure the cards are evenly mixed, start off with.
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Okay, so in the casinos, they give you about 20 seconds
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to give the deck three shuffles and a series of cuts.
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And then you have to give what's called a running cut.
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So the deck should be pretty evenly mixed, yes?
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Do we have ace, two, three, four, five, six, seven?
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Okay, now I'm going to do what's called a casino watch.
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I'm doing it face up, and that's for the purposes the camera can see that the cards are being scrambled
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because magicians will have what are called shaved, tapered cards where they're different sizes,
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and they can feel stick out, and so this will ruin that.
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Now, I want you to take and give that deck a shuffle.
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Because in poker games, they have, like, deuces are wild.
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Have you seen the movie about the MIT students that took on the casino?
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Are you talking about the movie with Kevin Spade?
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Are you talking about the actual interview you did with MIT?
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I was on a TV show where one of these world-renowned card counters was going to demonstrate how
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And what he didn't know is they brought me as the dealer for that segment.
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We filmed for two hours, never won a single hand.
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So if you're ever a dealer at a home game, at a house game, I shouldn't play there.
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Instead of me taking the money all the way around, I'm going to reverse it.
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Benny Bennion will let you make any bet for any amount you like.
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Before I take your card, this is the burnt card.
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You just walked out with a million and a quarter.
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And you messed those cards up right before I took your card.
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The people that are in charge of catching cheaters are all very good friends of mine.
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The guys that go and play, do casinos cheat against the players?
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The safest place to play in the world now are in the casinos.
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Because of gaming rules, their gaming licenses are so valuable that it's not worth risking
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Now, you go back before the 1980s, when the mob was more in control, that wasn't necessarily
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Now, when the corporations have come in, it's really the safest places to gamble are in the
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casinos because the security, the IMS sky, all the stuff they have keeps it pretty safe.
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Did a mob ever contact you in the 80s saying, hey, Richard, can we strike a deal together,
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Oh, you already want to get off our mob stories now, are you?
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In 1982, I was on a show called That's Incredible.
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And then the mob people started thinking, skills, dollar signs.
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This one guy first approached me and he wanted me to show him what I could do.
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He said, I'll give you $1,000 a day to come work for me.
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So, that's the $1,000 a day was good money back then.
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That was his actual, that's exactly what he said.
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And I flashed back to my memories of the movie Godfather where, you know, the guy wakes up
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And that guy followed me around for about six years trying to get me to work for him.
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And then twice, I watched him on the news with he and one of his New York partners hauled
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off to jail because one of the operations were, was raided.
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Another officer came from the Middle East, started off with a phone call, very strongly
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accent and voice wanted to talk to me about doing business.
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And I said, meet me aboard the boat where I was in nightly entertainment.
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I get aboard the boat and there was five men of Middle Eastern descent and only one spoke
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The interpreter sat here, the boss, and then three other guys didn't say anything.
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And they said, they threw a stack of bills on my table.
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So, I sat down and started showing how I could win some of the things that you and I were
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And then he says, we'll give you $10,000 a week to come to the Middle East and play cards
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Because apparently there was a lot of Texans that had involvement with the oil business,
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obviously, and there was a lot of high state games they were playing.
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They wanted me to control which direction the money went.
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Now his boss is getting really mad at him for not securing a deal.
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Now he didn't say if that was by the week, but I did say no.
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They threw down their napkins and threw another stack of bills on my table and left.
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And when I got the bills, I thought they were all like ones or fives.
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Another person, very wealthy, very successful, and we were in his beautiful mountaintop mansion.
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And I was telling him about this offer I had from the Middle East, this million dollar offer I had from the Middle East.
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He said, in a situation like that, you'll be 100% used.
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He said, you understand what I'm trying to tell you, Richard?
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And for those that know, 100% used means they kill you when they're done with you.
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He said, we can arrange to have these card games take place in the United States, and we're back here.
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And I thought to myself at that point, I thought, wow, I'll be 100% used in my own country.
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Now, if you want, I can even tell you the scariest offer, but it's going to take a couple minutes.
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I'm on a flight, headed to a performance, and I hear this paper rattling next to me.
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All of a sudden, this guy lowers his paper and says, hello, Mr. Turner.
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I want to talk to you about doing a little business together.
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And I thought, how did this guy know what flight I was on?
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Anyway, he was a diamond broker from Sun City, South Africa, and he wanted to offer me $200,000 to $300,000 to play cards in these games.
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And he wanted me to play in these games to, once again, control the direction of the money.
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And we had a conversation, and it was nice to be flattered.
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He was flattered to have someone recognize you and talk in the playing land.
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I just finished some television appearances and then my show.
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I nicknamed him Mr. Diamond because he was a diamond dealer.
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And he said, take me down to the hotel's restaurant.
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He held his hand up in front of my face and said, I know you're a version of, well, you know, shaking hands.
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And I thought, how did he know I didn't like to shake hands?
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It's because the moisture or sweat from other people's hands affects my touch with the cards.
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So, you know, if someone was sweaty or whatever, that would diminish my touch.
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And he handed me a five-carat diamond pinky ring.
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Back then, the gamblers were these big old pinky rings.
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And the first guy I mentioned, he had a big old giant one, the biggest of marble.
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He says, it's a gift, a token of my good faith.
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And I knew if I accepted that ring, I would be owned by him.
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And I gave it back, said, thanks, but I'm not all that hot on jewelry.
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I walk in another place, another city, walk into this bar.
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I didn't know I was going to be walking in here.
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We sat at the little, where those little two-man booze.
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He's across, and he goes, now, you're in the martial arts.
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Now, how did he know I was in the martial arts?
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He said, now, if you, you know, and he reaches across, like it was a small table.
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And if you're in there, what you do is you take the punk.
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And then I'll say, grab my head, you know, behind me with my head.
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He says, what you do is you take your thick skull, and you drive it in the punk's nose.
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He says, sometimes, if you're lucky, the punk will bite through their own tongue.
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Perhaps you'd like to be on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson.
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This is Johnny Carson's business number, his personal number.
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Just leave a message that you called, and I'll get back to you.
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So I got home, and I went to a friend of mine who was involved with our karate school.
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And he was the captain of one of the most successful SWAT teams in the history of law enforcement.
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He took down a number of serial murderers, including David Allen Lucas.
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And he said, with these mobsters being fallen, you need to be able to protect yourself.
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So anyway, I'm going to speed up the story for you.
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So he had me for six months out on the sheriff's firing range.
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And then I realized, I can't take the gun on the plane.
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You had to put it in a locked case that the airlines had the key to.
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And he goes, you know, he tells me how it cost him $400,000 to buy off a judge for a murder he had committed.
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And he says, now, if you ever want to have your wife killed, I can arrange for that.
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He said, no one would know you were behind the killing.
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He said, I just wanted to let you know that's another service I can provide.
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The rest of the story is even more interesting.
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But I told too much already and taken too much time.
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So your ability, your talent attracted some interesting audience right there.
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And that's four out of a dozen interesting stories.
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I think this may not be a bad time for us to make the reveal.
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If we kind of let the audience, or do you want to wait a little bit?
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I was told, you will eventually lose all your sight.
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We don't know if this is what caused it, but it was the only thing that was the commonality
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And my retina, first my macula started dissolving, which is the center part of the retina.
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So, overnight, within minutes almost, there was like a hat in front of my face, a hole.
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And then out of the hole, the blood started not going to the rest of the retina.
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And so, my best corrected vision out of the corner was 20 over 400, which is twice as low
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And then that hole eventually encompassed my entire retina.
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The neural network that went to the visual cortex is now focused on the touch areas of the brain.
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Now, what are the odds of you and your sister, though?
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And both of you took your life, and you didn't use that as a crush to say, hey, because of
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So, I've read a lot of stories, mythical stories about Bo Jackson, right?
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There's a Bo Jackson jumped over a 40, you know, foot this, and Bo Jackson ran a 40 and
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this fast, and Bo Jackson did this when he was a kid.
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Some of the stories I hear, one of your friends was talking about the stories that you were
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buying a motorcycle, and you would go, and you would go climbing, and why don't you talk
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about some of the wild things you did growing up?
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I've had a bunch of surgeries because of my high-impact living.
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I came up with a great idea for the blind and deaf driver.
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So, I bought a motorcycle, and I had a friend named Jim Blowers, and I had another friend who
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He would sit on the back and say, right, right, left, left, he had a big old strong
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guy with a little high-speaky voice, left, right, right, red light, red light, green light.
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And one day, we were pulled over for suspected armed robbery.
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There was a Winchell's Donor Shop that was held up, and we fit the profile.
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And so, we're pulled over, and then there was only one small discrepancy with us being
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And once we proved to the cop that we couldn't see the lights flashing or hear the cyber and
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blasting, I received a ticket for driving while blind.
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And then he says, you better hope you get Judge Lord.
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And then when I went to court, they switched judges right when it was my case.
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And I was scared this last time I rode my motorcycle.
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He totally looked at the thing from the opposite point of view.
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I thought he was going to yell at me, what the hell are you driving a motorcycle for when
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Anyway, so, and then I started in the martial arts March 5th, 1971.
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And we had one of the toughest karate schools in the country, actually anywhere in the world.
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And to get a black belt under my karate instructor, John Murphy, you had to fight a 10-round
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He figured if a boxer can go 10 rounds with the same guy, he's going to do the same thing,
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except you're going to have a fresh fighter every round.
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So it'd be like Ollie going Frazier, Holmes, Foreman, and so on.
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So they're black belt, and they come fresh to you for those rounds?
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And so it took me 13 years and three months of training before I was ready to take on the
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But to start off with, when I went to my first test, I had to fight five two-minute rounds.
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And he had his testing across the border in Tijuana because he didn't want to deal with
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And so it was across the border because it was really almost like cockfighting, you know,
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And we're bare-fisted, and there was very, very few rules.
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Anyway, so my green belt test, which I had to fight 10 two-minute guys.
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It was 105 degrees outside with a 90-plus percent humidity.
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And the dojo was this solid brick building, cement block building, 30 by 50 foot, no windows,
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And there was like 75 sadistic spectators all crammed on benches because they always
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like when these bloodbaths came, you know, they came there to watch the bloodbath.
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When I was done, I was drinking out of a Tijuana toilet.
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And my friend comes in who was there testing for his black belt that day.
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He goes, you realize you're drinking out of a toilet?
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And I'm going, I was just gasping for air because I couldn't breathe.
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But so anyway, that caused me to realize, okay, if I'm going to overcome asthma, because
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I had asthma, and fear can trigger an asthma attack.
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So I started putting myself in crazy positions.
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And Jim Blower's was there for a lot of it, as was a whole lot of other friends.
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We climbed the tops of Split Mountain, 80, 100 miles outside of San Diego in the desert
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And that was, there's a whole bunch of stories just there.
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I've done more stunts than anybody in the history of Hollywood.
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And he had a whole circus in his backyard, and I lived with him in the early, in the
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I learned to swing on the trapeze, take high, high, high falls, a tightrope around the rim
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Were you like this prior to being blind, or did this happen after?
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I guess what I'm trying to ask is, were you pushing the envelope your entire life
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When I was five years old, I got a lot of attention because I have an eidetic memory, a photographic
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Well, there's no real such thing as a photograph, but I have an eidetic memory.
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And I took a, I did a picture that I saw in National Geographic with a finger paint, and
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they're going, look what Ricky did, and they're all stunned.
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And so all first, second, third grade, that was my, kind of my identity was my ability
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And so I always pushed it, and I always wanted to be good at whatever it was.
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Then, of course, when the vision started going south, then all of a sudden I couldn't paint
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And that kind of, you know, at first there was some rebellion that took place, but then
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I joined, I graduated high school early, and I joined a theater company.
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He was a TV and movie star back in the 50s, early 60s.
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One of the, Stephen King, his late, one of his later, latest books at 11, 22, 63 about
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He references the movies that Steve Terrell were in, in his late, his book called Drag
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Well, first of all, he taught me how to play the part of a sighted person, because I'd
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be on stage, and I'm interacting with another actor, and I'm looking like this, because I
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So I'd have to go like this and look out of the corner of my eye to even see where your
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And so, and he goes, and he and the director, well, he was the director, he and one of the
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assistant directors were going, and I could hear him talking, it doesn't look right to
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I'd say, Rick, Rick, can you look at the person you're talking to?
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Because from the audience point of view, it doesn't make sense why you're talking to this
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So he taught me how to play the part of a sighted person.
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And I had to learn it in different ways, because there's different visions.
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There's, you know, so if I want to focus on something that's five feet away, that's a
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different look than if you're looking at something that's 50 feet away.
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You know, there's, you know, your eyes will adjust.
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So I had to train myself to give that impression when I'm looking at somebody that's five and
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half foot away, like you are, versus somebody that's 10 foot away.
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Anyway, so, and then he would see me, watch me before and after scenes.
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I'm sitting there practicing moves all the time.
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He said, if you become the best card man in the world, you will earn the respect of others
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And he quoted the old apostle Paul who said, run the race to win, become the best.
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And so that really kind of was one of the foundations for my obsessive focus.
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So I started putting in an average of 10 to 20 hours a day.
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And my average practice day was 14, to be perfect for honest.
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But there would be a day I'd get up at 6 and go to bed at 3 and I would have practiced
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And the only time I was not practicing is when I was training or fighting.
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That's the only time the cards were not working.
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Or even when in the shower, I had waterproof cards.
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When I'd be in the Pacific Ocean, I had cards with me.
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She told her friend, which this is one of the funniest parts of the documentary.
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She said, one time, you know, Richard and I were making love.
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And while we're making love, I hear him shuffling the cards.
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So, you know, why waste the opportunity to at least one hand practice?
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So, the obsession, I'm curious if we get into a little bit of the obsession.
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Maybe, you know what, before we get into it, why don't you show one more?
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You want to show one of us, another trick of yours?
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This deck has been shuffled a bunch of times here.
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We'll deal with my favorite game, which is seven cards.
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Give me a number, okay, move those, here, this card's out of your way.
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I don't want you to give me the whole deck back.
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And I'm going to have you do this each time we go around the table to make this as impossible as possible.
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So, just mix them up and then pull out a stack and put them in my hand.
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Now, we have player two, player three, player four, player five.
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You have the whole deck, mix them back with the rest of them.
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And then hand me any part of the deck you want.
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So, you're going to do everything you can to make this, like I said, as impossible as possible.
00:27:56.560
And the point is, people say, how can you tell what a card is?
00:27:59.460
In this case, even if they were face up, and you can see every card coming off the deck to control it in this instant.
00:28:14.700
That means High Spade and the whole splits the pot.
00:28:34.340
This is actually pretty interesting because this is different.
00:28:37.120
If you have control of it the entire time, that's one thing.
00:28:39.700
You are doing everything you can to screw things up.
00:29:08.180
Now, the last card, they called the expression down and dirty.
00:29:22.740
And you shuffled each time and hand me a random part of the deck after you mixed them.
00:29:27.160
We're playing seven stud, high spade, and the whole splits of pot.
00:29:35.800
You're sitting on what would be the equivalent of an inside strike.
00:29:48.620
We're playing high spade and the whole splits of pot.
00:30:04.300
So you did everything you could to try to mess me up.
00:30:08.120
And sorry, but you were the big winner, so you should be happy.
00:30:19.560
Di Vernon is the guy that he tricked Houdini in front of his wife, right?
00:30:28.540
Having seen countless number of card experts execute for over eight years, I consider Richard
00:30:34.980
He performs the most difficult moves with the greatest ease.
00:30:40.580
He does things with cards that no one in the world can do.
00:30:51.560
For a century, the whole 20th century, he was the most influential person in the whole
00:30:56.820
area of magic, sleight of hand, close-up magic, gambling work.
00:31:01.980
Okay, take all these cards, turn them one direction.
00:31:05.980
Because two of them are, two of them are, okay.
00:31:18.480
Yeah, Di Vernon had very nice things to say about you.
00:31:25.680
My wife, Kim, and I threw him his 98th birthday in 1992.
00:31:44.500
But yeah, anyway, Vernon took a liking to me back in 75, and I became the recipient of
00:31:51.740
a century worth of his most guarded card table artifice.
00:31:57.300
And what he would do, which was kind of unique and brought to my attention later,
00:32:09.700
I'm just for now, I'm just going to leave him sit there for a minute.
00:32:12.880
So he would, when he would describe moves to me, because I couldn't see what he was
00:32:22.680
He didn't describe them to me in the way that he could do them or the way that anyone else
00:32:27.680
But he believed in naturalness, in doing things in a way that you don't think something's
00:32:35.940
And he would say, Richard, this is how it's done.
00:32:40.520
And I'd get us really close and try to get an idea.
00:32:45.260
And so he showed me, this is how it should be done.
00:32:49.180
And I spent thousands of hours, tens of thousands of hours working on many different moves, techniques,
00:32:56.380
And it wasn't until years later that he admitted to me that he made them up.
00:33:00.120
He did not think they were possible to do that way.
00:33:02.560
He did it just to see what this obsessed kid would come up with, because he would see
00:33:12.320
And then every time he'd see me, he would go, that's it.
00:33:17.440
And what you just saw there, when I first, the one I read, just still fast stud him,
00:33:25.000
And I said, Professor, what do you think about combining this with this and this?
00:33:31.120
This is the most deceptive, ultimate way to control a game.
00:33:51.120
He says, it can't be done, but it's the ultimate.
00:33:56.680
Then all of a sudden, I thought, hold it, but I can do it.
00:34:02.040
And so he came to the, he watched my show at the castle there.
00:34:04.240
And he came up and goes, Richard, what the hell are you doing in there?
00:34:07.100
I don't understand what the hell you were doing.
00:34:08.780
I said, remember when you said you can't do this?
00:34:10.640
That's what I'm, I don't understand how the hell you can do that.
00:34:13.720
And anyway, for the next 18 months, everybody that came over, Max, come here, watch this.
00:34:22.640
And then two years later, he goes, I still don't understand how the hell you can do that.
00:34:32.360
Seriously, he can't, Di Verne couldn't do what you did.
00:34:35.020
Almost everything I do in my show, the techniques and the methods that I'm using, it's very exclusive.
00:34:48.900
This is one of the things that Professor showed to me.
00:34:57.440
Sell the card stays as the second card is dealt.
00:35:00.580
But see, this particular second deal is actually named after me.
00:35:05.360
But what I have to do is my left thumb must apply the precise amount of pressure to push over exactly 22.6 thousandths of an inch.
00:35:14.420
And that is the, and that's the caliper of two cards.
00:35:21.740
And so, and then my right thumb, it only has a 64th of a second as it's sweeping across the deck here to engage that second card and then deal it out.
00:35:38.620
Is that top or bottom what you're doing right now?
00:36:00.900
It's all based on finger control, fingertip control and touch.
00:36:07.940
This is one of the first second deals that I came up with.
00:36:15.000
You turn it face up so you can see more clearly.
00:36:21.040
See, Vernon would talk about relaxed grip, natural grip.
00:36:27.980
Now, when the card's face down, see, when it's face down,
00:36:30.800
see, it's hard to tell that you're being taken.
00:36:36.380
Anyway, so he kept showing me move after move after move.
00:36:41.860
And so, I developed them only to find out that he couldn't do them that way
00:36:47.600
And a lot of the times, he just thought it was flat out not possible to do it that way.
00:36:56.800
Okay, I'm going to try to cut with one hand 17 cards.
00:37:05.800
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17.
00:37:20.900
One hand that I just said in one second, he gave it to me.
00:37:41.460
Cut half the deck and put the other half on top.
00:37:45.580
Now, because people are always asking, why would you waste your time developing a touch like
00:38:00.980
And once again, as we mentioned earlier, the way you're allowed to shuffle in the casinos,
00:38:06.340
Riffle shuffle, and it's because it's the hardest way to control if you're going to control.
00:38:14.860
Take the deck so you don't think I'm doing anything dirty.
00:38:18.160
Deal a card off the top, face up, player one right here.
00:38:21.320
And I think you chose kings and you're player number two, face up a card right here.
00:38:55.120
I shuffled your cards back in the deck exactly where you chose every fourth position starting at
00:39:01.200
But I missed one of those shuffles by the thickness of 11.3 thousandths of an inch.
00:39:14.040
So listen, obviously, a lot of our viewers are entrepreneurs, but you're also an entrepreneur
00:39:18.920
yourself because as an artist, you found a way to monetize this.
00:39:22.340
And this is what you've done for a living for many, many years.
00:39:24.960
So how did you find a way to monetize your ability?
00:39:27.720
And monetizing a close-up act is different than like David Copperfield because he can put
00:39:38.820
So when I toured China, we mentioned, you know, they had the most, I was in the most
00:39:44.140
I mean, the screen that my show was projected on was four stories tall and five stories wide.
00:39:49.200
But how I made it viable for me is I became an asset, an added asset to my performing venues.
00:39:56.160
In other words, I was hired to entertain, but as an added bonus, I got them what is known
00:40:03.740
I got them, I got their name mentioned in primetime television, worldwide television,
00:40:14.000
I had one engagement that went 2,190 days in a row.
00:40:18.400
That's seven days, seven nights a week performing six years straight.
00:40:22.240
And it was because whenever I, you know, I got them, well, Ripley's, that's incredible,
00:40:27.340
And I'd always made sure they mentioned the places I was performing in and on those shows
00:40:34.060
So they got very expensive advertising just because I was there.
00:40:38.720
And I replicated that in a number of different places over the years.
00:40:44.960
And of course, now with projection, now I don't need to do that so much.
00:40:49.540
I had people say, there's no way you can make a living.
00:40:52.040
And they were, they were looking, they were looking down at me.
00:40:55.280
It's going, you're crazy if you think you can make a magician with a deck of cards,
00:40:59.680
And so I had, I actually had it all calculated out probably two or three years before I actually
00:41:04.800
did what I did when I got that first long engagement from 1979 to 84 on that riverboat.
00:41:13.160
There was a story saying how when you were seven years old, you liked to watch the show
00:41:16.760
Maverick because the guy would do magic tricks and you would sit right in front of the TV
00:41:20.440
and your mom would say, hey, what are you doing, Richard?
00:41:23.000
And is that where the fascination came from for you from that movie you watched?
00:41:27.680
It was a TV show called Maverick starring James Garner.
00:41:31.420
It was a Western and he was a gambling, he was a card player, a card shark.
00:41:36.180
And sometimes there would be people at the table trying to cheat him.
00:41:48.540
We had Monopoly, checkers, chess, and a deck of cards.
00:41:53.920
One thing about the oldest, I had this thing about, I didn't like to lose.
00:42:00.300
When we'd get a nickel and we were able to get a deck of packs of M&Ms.
00:42:03.740
So we'd play cards for M&Ms and the red being the most valuable, the brown being the least
00:42:10.340
And so we played cards and I started noticing if I tell myself one extra card, I increase
00:42:18.320
And so I started coming up with these ways of creating an advantage.
00:42:22.920
And that's kind of where the obsession started.
00:42:26.600
Then my sisters would tell her girlfriends, my brother's so good, he never loses.
00:42:30.620
And that just encouraged me to keep developing more and more things.
00:42:34.080
Your sister, she said she lost her vision a year and three months after you or some number.
00:42:42.880
But we both, I was nine, she was five when we both got scarlet fever.
00:42:48.100
Like, what did the doctor say when that happened?
00:42:52.880
And they gave them an antidote and we had to take something else.
00:42:58.500
And the thing is, that's the only thing that they could figure that caused the vision to
00:43:02.680
go south because the exact same thing happened to both of us.
00:43:06.120
And for me, I was in my fourth grade class, teachers writing, Mrs. Gaston writing on the chalkboard.
00:43:12.160
And all of a sudden, the chalk just got like someone took a ration and smeared it.
00:43:18.580
It was just, and I'm going, I'm trying to, and then I looked down at my book and I couldn't
00:43:25.720
And Mrs. Gaston, I can't see the chalkboard and sent me to the nurse.
00:43:30.280
And so that's what happened with me and my sister.
00:43:34.760
It's like a lens on a camera just went fuzzy on you.
00:43:37.500
You know, I noticed one thing is when I sit with people that become the best at what they
00:43:41.400
do, not just one of the best, but the best at what they do.
00:43:47.740
Almost every one of them that I talked to, there was something happened that was extremely
00:43:56.020
And when it happens, imagine God, if you believe in a higher power or, you know, if
00:44:01.080
you believe in Greek mythology, like you're being tested to see how you're going to react
00:44:04.440
because this is your chance for the world to know that it could be the best at something.
00:44:07.340
Every one of these guys has a very difficult story in that moment when we're being tested.
00:44:15.820
I know you said one of them, your mother once, you had a book so close to your eyes you were
00:44:20.160
reading and your mom said, do you have to put the books so close to you?
00:44:24.260
How many more of those instances happened that stayed with you?
00:44:28.940
One of them that stayed with me was we were forced to watch a movie called Lord of the
00:44:33.480
Flies back in second grade, third grade, fourth grade.
00:44:36.300
It was about a group of boys that were stranded on an island and they became savages.
00:44:43.160
And there was one kid on the island called Piggy.
00:44:46.340
He was chubby, wore glasses, and he had asthma.
00:44:49.400
And the other kids end up, they go off in teams and they end up taking Piggy and they
00:44:55.680
And I was always afraid of turning out like Piggy, you know, because I would, except I was
00:45:02.180
And then there was another show called Lost in Space.
00:45:06.300
And he was always the coward hiding behind this rock while this goofy looking monster would
00:45:11.340
come up while the little 10 year old Billy Mummy goes and saves the day.
00:45:15.120
And I was always afraid that I was going to be like that coward.
00:45:20.300
I'd watch Tarzan movies and there was always a scene where they're going across a tree that
00:45:24.020
fell across, you know, some canyon that's a thousand feet below.
00:45:27.300
And then someone would always stop and go, whatever you do, don't look down.
00:45:31.380
And then there's always the one person that stops and looks down, you know, go screaming
00:45:37.680
And so it was because of the fact, I can't, I can't see how am I going to be able to deal
00:45:42.620
How, how's a woman going to want to deal with, want to be with a guy that can't see?
00:45:46.120
And it caused me to flip and just go all the way to the other extreme.
00:45:51.980
And I took extreme risks, wrestling seven foot sharks too.
00:46:03.060
And we'd go out off Nine Mile Island, which was about, well, nine miles off of the San Diego
00:46:14.100
I'd have a marlin pole, small marlin pole with a 12 foot steel leader, 120, 140 pound steel
00:46:22.640
And then they would grab your bait and take off.
00:46:25.280
And then I had to pull the rest of the 12 feet by hand because it couldn't go through
00:46:32.500
And then my friend, Randy Dick, he was our shot, shoot, his shooter.
00:46:35.600
He would shoot it because you can't kill a shark once it's on the boat.
00:46:37.900
And we had these red snapper heads and guts tied onto the back of the boat.
00:46:41.920
And this seven foot blue starts chomping on those things.
00:46:45.820
So we pull that rope in, grabbed a gaff and gaffed him, put a bullet in him, but he's not
00:46:59.980
I figure if I can get a noose around his tail, we won't lose him.
00:47:04.120
I'm sitting there trying to muscle the darn thing with one arm.
00:47:07.100
With the other hand, I'm trying to tie a noose on his tail.
00:47:24.780
We're not going to be able to get home because we're like many miles from shore.
00:47:31.380
I grabbed my softball back and I went down, down, down, down.
00:47:36.140
And you hit that shark hard enough and he's finally settled down.
00:47:39.640
Then about five minutes later, there he is again, mouth up and down, getting ready to
00:47:44.840
And the second time when you do it, the eyes pop out.
00:47:49.820
I relate, I mean, not at that level with you, what you're doing.
00:47:52.260
But the idea of somebody said you couldn't do it, the idea of somebody tried to feel
00:48:04.180
Like I remember I had a challenge asking for help for a long time.
00:48:11.380
Seems like that's a little bit of a positive thing.
00:48:14.860
But also it's a little bit of a Achilles heel because it limits you to how much you can
00:48:19.160
Because yes, you want to prove a point that you don't need anybody's help because growing
00:48:23.520
But then eventually if you want to do something big and be able to do it for a long time,
00:48:33.500
How did you go about saying, I'm okay getting help now?
00:48:37.280
When I was first asked to be on a show called That's Incredible, at the time it was one of
00:48:42.100
And they wanted me to walk with the White King.
00:48:48.140
I'd get in their face sometimes and I wasn't too polite about it because I wanted my stuff
00:48:54.120
The thing is, as the years went on, the vision kept going south.
00:48:58.520
And before I could, when I'd fight, I could at least see out of the corner of my eye, where
00:49:06.720
It was first documented in 1760 called Charles Bonnet Syndrome.
00:49:13.260
And Dr. Oliver Sacks, he's a best-selling author, he's written a number of books on the
00:49:17.160
One was called Hallucination, the other one was called The Mind's Eye.
00:49:20.880
And that he calls this scene with the mind's eye.
00:49:24.020
So my condition is where other people that have lost their seat just see black, they've
00:49:30.020
I see a 360-degree kaleidoscope of beautiful, vivid, every shape of royal blue, blues, reds,
00:49:40.460
greens, every shape of, and then when I'm in the red spectrum, every shape of royal red
00:49:46.620
down to the, you know, to everything in the red spectrum.
00:49:50.360
And then sometimes they will intermix with each other.
00:49:52.740
And then amongst all this is every subconscious image you can see just floating around.
00:49:57.240
So just picture yourself underwater with a light shining in, breaking down the prism,
00:50:02.260
the light spectrum, and in the water is just thousands of things floating around.
00:50:07.800
And you can lock me in a vault with no light of any source, and I'm still these things,
00:50:16.220
And the cool thing is, I can zoom in on any particular image, zoom it up, I can take my
00:50:24.460
beautiful wife and zoom her around in her bikini and whatever, you know, and then, or I've
00:50:31.460
designed houses, I've built decks, and I would engineer, my wife would watch, I'd sit in a
00:50:35.560
chair and I'd watch, I'd watch the whole thing, I could, it's like living in virtual reality.
00:50:39.960
Okay, I need four by 12, so it's being, and they'll have to be anchored over here.
00:50:45.400
And I'll engineer a big, giant project without a single piece of paper.
00:50:51.540
I'd say, Dad, this board needs to be 192 and a quarter inches.
00:50:55.440
We cut it, we built this three giant, I don't know how many square foot, giant deck, all
00:51:00.180
different layers, levels, and all without a single piece of paper and all engineered with
00:51:06.840
this CBS, Charles Bonnet syndrome. Now, all of a sudden, I couldn't see anything anymore,
00:51:13.040
anything that's real. And see, I go like this. I put my hand in front of my face, and I will
00:51:17.140
see a digitized, I guess that'd be like something that's not flesh looking. I don't see things
00:51:21.780
flesh looking. But I will see something go back and forth like a pendulum. I close my eyes,
00:51:27.020
I see the exact same thing with the colors just as vivid. And so I would go like this,
00:51:33.540
and I couldn't tell that there was nothing left. In other words, out of the corner of my eye,
00:51:38.280
I could not see my hand move because, and I didn't know that I had lost the rest of my sight
00:51:43.560
because my CBS created the vision that I had. So then, now, I'm running into everything under
00:51:50.300
the sun. My wife was sitting there, recliners at night, and the phone rings. I dashed to answer
00:51:55.860
the phone. I ran square into the corner of the wall. I split my head wide open. She looked up for
00:52:01.960
her book, and she said, now, that one had to hurt. When you get off the phone, don't forget to wipe
00:52:06.360
up the blood. So in our family, me running into things is par for the course. Happens every month.
00:52:12.240
I either have a big split face or a black eye. And sadly, it's almost always before I do an interview,
00:52:18.140
somehow, I managed to not have one for you. And anyway, so she kept trying to get through to me,
00:52:25.360
you need help. You need to have, you need someone to walk with you. You need to touch somebody,
00:52:31.820
you know, because I just kept hurting myself. And so finally, I realized that nothing that I was
00:52:37.980
seeing was real. And that for me was, that was as a big of loss to me as if you just went from your
00:52:45.800
2020 to zero, how that would be to you. What little I had meant as much to me is what you have means to
00:52:53.400
you. Because I went from a independent disabled person to a dependent disabled person, in that I
00:53:01.160
now needed somebody to touch as I walked. I needed someone to either touch me or I touch them to keep
00:53:07.800
me from walking off cliffs, which I've done, falling down. Really?
00:53:11.860
My wife and I were, we're, we're, she, we were roller coaster junkies. We're, we've climbed
00:53:19.960
giant mountains, seven foot, seven mile high mountains in Montana. And whatever I do, she'll
00:53:26.560
do whatever she does, I'll do. She's a man. She's fantastic. You've been married, what, 28 years?
00:53:31.340
28 years. 28. You have a son, which you've named. So the name of your son, can you talk about that?
00:53:37.440
I mean, obviously you came up with the name, but no, you can't, you didn't come up with
00:53:42.280
the name. She came up with it. I'll tell you what happened. My, my son's name, our son's
00:53:45.800
name is Asa Spade, spelled A-S-A, like King Asa from the Old Testament. And King David's
00:53:52.040
great grandson was King Asa. And the Bible says, and Asa did what is good and right in
00:53:57.500
the eyes of the Lord, his God. He was one of the good Kings. And she, and she said, and
00:54:01.580
it means physician or healer. Then my wife said, and his middle name could be Spades.
00:54:06.260
And I thought, Asa Spades, that's perfect. That's the perfect name for the son of a card
00:54:11.660
check. She goes, no, no, we're not naming our son Asa Spades. I said, yes, that's perfect.
00:54:16.020
She stepped in it. And once she stepped in it, she couldn't get out of it.
00:54:21.280
And he loves his name. He's world famous because of his name. People know him all over the world
00:54:25.920
because, and they think I would kill for Richard Turner's son's name. He's got the coolest
00:54:30.600
name in the world. And he doesn't go by Richard or Asa Turner. You know, after his father and
00:54:36.120
her mother, he goes Asa Spades. He goes by the name of Asa Spades.
00:54:40.900
You see people that do very well on their career side, but some, you know, not necessarily family
00:54:45.340
and then kids and all that. So that kind of becomes complicated and difficult to do for
00:54:48.760
you. You, you, you become the best at what you do here. Your marriage, 28 years, and you
00:54:54.220
guys seem like you're having a blast together. And then your son going to where he's at and
00:54:58.760
he's, you know, good kid doing the right things for himself. Your sister. So you become the
00:55:03.720
best at this, but your sister, which is fascinating is she, you said she ran the largest construction
00:55:11.340
Yeah. At one time they laid more found, more concrete than any other construction. She
00:55:15.840
doesn't ran it. She ran and was the owner of it. Her name was Drott, Drott Dairy Construction.
00:55:21.000
They built big dairies and then it just became Drott Construction because they, you know, she works
00:55:25.580
on very, very large projects, 10, 20, $50 million projects. That's amazing. What values and principles
00:55:32.180
did your parents pass down to you and your sister? What were, if you were to say my parents or my mom
00:55:36.320
or dad always said these three things, what were those things? Well, my dad was just nothing but a
00:55:41.840
positive influence on my sister. And we always said we had the best dad in the world. My, all, all of us.
00:55:47.580
My, my brother says the same thing because he loved us unconditionally. You know, there's, in the Greek,
00:55:52.840
there's different types of love. You know, eros, agape, storgoy, which is a family love, eros, philia,
00:55:58.680
which is a friend, friend, friend, family love. And agape is like a God love, unconditional type love.
00:56:05.080
He loved us with no conditions and he just, he literally gave everything for us and to us. And he
00:56:14.340
was just, he was just nothing but an encouragement. And here's, here's how he was. He'd go,
00:56:20.580
hey, yo, cheat. And that's how my dad addressed his son, me. Hey, yo, cheat. And he said it with
00:56:27.020
affection and, and he was so proud, you know. And so I got, my nickname was Richard Turner,
00:56:31.860
the cheat. So I went by that for years. If you look at old publicity things, it was always Richard
00:56:36.340
Turner, the cheat, in quotes. So you'd say the number one thing from him was a passing I love to
00:56:40.180
you guys. And, and, and his, and the way he did things, he did things to perfection. He was,
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he had a seventh grade education and became, uh, one of the top engineers for a number of big,
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big, big, big companies. And he was just started off as a welder, but he would engineer things and
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he would do work on projects. He worked on the Alan Shepard, John Glenn, the first spacecraft all the
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way up to the first space shuttle. And he would, um, work on things in the nuclear, the nuclear area.
00:57:10.080
And, um, but, and he would come up with ideas, but because he was working for them,
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they got the rights to the patent. He got the pat on the back. If he wasn't, you know,
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he could have been a wealthy man, but money meant nothing to him. And whatever he did,
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he did it to such perfection. Um, and I would watch him growing up. He would, somebody would come over
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and they wanted to build an engine or whatever he would, he would do it. And then I would just be
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so amazed. And I thought, wow, I wish I could do that. I wish I had talent like that. And then when they
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would want to pay him and he spent all the whole week into it, he would, he would never would take
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a dime. So we, uh, we talked about Phil Ivey briefly earlier. So what do you think? I talked
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to Phil Hallmuth and I was asking questions about him as well. Obviously you're in the world. So you
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see a lot of the poker and all these other things that happens. What do you think about what happened
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with Phil Ivey in, in London? Well, I think he is owed that money because there's what's called
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advantage play. And if the casinos are dealing a game where if they have something, if there's a flaw
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in their game or with their cards and, and you capitalize on that, that is not considered
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cheating legally or ethically. And, uh, and you know, he, they, he was playing according
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to their rules and everything was wide open. And now for them not to pay him, I think it's
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wrong. He deserves to be paid. So, so I want to wrap up with a quote you said at the end of
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the documentary. And I know one thing that I heard from the variety is the documentary, uh,
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is now leading to a movie that they're doing on your life. And the P who were the people
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that came up to you that are doing the movie on your life after watching dealt Mark orders
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ski and Jane Fleming. They're with court five. He was the executive producer of the, uh, the
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Lord of the Rings trilogy. He won 17 Oscars off that one trilogy alone, those three movies.
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And, uh, he's produced, you know, 60 major motion pictures and they took a liking to dealt and they
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have, uh, they were, we're in the development stages of, uh, of moving towards a narrative.
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You said something in the documentary. You said, I think the loss of my vision ended up becoming
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a blessing. It made me who I am and I am thankful for it. I like the way I see. How long did it take
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you to say that and believe it a hundred percent? Well, that came from my beautiful wife, Kim,
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where it gets back to your earlier question. When I had to face things, she would, she would say,
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you gotta get over yourself. You gotta let accept help from others. You are, you know, you are,
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yes, you're Richard Turner, the blah, blah, blah. You know, you're not, you're not impervious.
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You're not Superman, even though I like to think I am sometimes, but I'm not. Anyway, she said,
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you can't fail. You can't deal with what you're not willing to confront. If you're not willing to
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confront something, you can't deal with it. And so, um, she told me basically get over yourself,
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accept help from others. And you know, when I went, what the heck? I don't need it. I'm old now.
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I don't care what people say about me. I've made my mark. And, um, yeah, so it's been a good 25 years,
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but it was, okay. So it's been a long time. It's been a long time. So Richard, any final thoughts
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for entrepreneurs out there? I know you're, uh, you've talked at MIT and you said the two curse
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words are hard work. And on Penn and Teller, you mentioned the fact that the biggest, the two
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biggest disabilities in the world are lazy and procrastination. Why don't you talk a little bit
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about the mindset of how you think to get yourself to the point of being the best of the best?
01:00:39.400
I say, don't let anyone tell you something's impossible. You know, have a healthy disregard
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when someone says something's impossible. I say take possible out of impossible. You
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know, and I understand that time to time we're dealt a better handed to, but it's how we approach
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that handed. If we choose to fold, whine, quit, sit on our pity pot. A lot of people do, or
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take your disadvantage, whatever it is, turn it into an asset, become like a soldier and, you
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know, become a warrior and go all in. Like we're talking about with Phil Ivy. Ivy, go, go all
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in. That's what separates losers from the winners. You know, don't let anyone stop, get in your
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way and don't, don't hit them or knock them down on the way. Smile at them. And you know,
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you know, I had a, you know, I was kind of like this for a large part of my life. Now,
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you're right. I am a blind man, but let's go have some fun. That's a great attitude. You know,
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for, for some, some of us, you know, we make the lamest excuses to say, well, you don't understand
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what I went through and what I did this and what I did that. And we use that as a crush and I get
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to the next level. And you're a prime example of somebody that can go out there and take all the
01:01:53.520
excuses away. By the way, we're going to talk on a side note about looking at your calendar on your
01:01:57.880
availability next year for inviting you to our conference. Cause I love to see you guys perform
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for our guys so they can see. I'm sure after seeing this interview, people are going to be
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fascinated by the story, but you also get invited to do a lot of functions, right? So how do people
01:02:09.460
get ahold of you? Do they contact your agent? Do they go on your website? Yes. My manager,
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Kim at RichardTurner52.com. My website is RichardTurner52.com. Put Kim at in front of that
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and you'll get right to my manager. And, you know, I speak and perform all over the world.
01:02:27.920
I just got invited to do a television special in Japan that I'm, we're negotiating the contract
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on that. And I'm, that next week I'll be with Apple and anyway, so it's really fun. I enjoy speaking
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and for some reason people are inspired or encouraged when I do, even though all I wanted
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to be was a performer, but now I'm a speaker performer. So I do my car stuff within my speaking.
01:02:49.740
So it's also entertaining. Yeah. No, your message is multi-dimensional. It's not one
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dimension. You have a multi-dimensional message that can inspire. Well, it's already entertained
01:02:58.920
a lot of people. I think your story can also inspire tens of millions of people around the
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world as well, if it hasn't already. Yeah. When I did, I did a special for Japan. They said,
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I've been seen by over a billion people now, 214 countries by over a billion people.
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That's amazing. I know it's creepy. That is amazing. It's creepy. I think to me to think
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about that, maybe we'll see my ugly old mug. So by the way, ugly old mug, you look like
01:03:22.760
you belonged in a movie. You look like a Chuck Norris slash like a Burt Reynolds, good looking
01:03:28.220
model that should have been in Hollywood doing movies. You had, you had the whole thing.
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If you, if you see this documentary, you're going to see his physique and you're not going
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to believe he's got the chest of a bodybuilder. He's got the arms of a bodybuilder, a fighter.
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By the way, there's a couple of things I want you to do. If you watch this, you were inspired.
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You got to go watch the documentary to really understand the story and the scope of things
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because there's stories, videos of him. Some of these things we didn't even get into in
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this video here today, in this interview here today. So do that too. If you do want to book
01:03:58.640
him, reach out to his manager, send that email over. And then three, comment below on what
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a notification squad. So with that being said, Richard, thank you so much for being
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on Valuetainment here with us. Truly, thank you for coming out.
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My pleasure. And here's one thing. Here's something you never do when you play for money.
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It makes the other players get up and run. Patrick, I'm so honored to be with you.
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Thank you so much for coming out. Truly, thank you.
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