Valuetainment - Episode 283： London Gangster Reveals The Mob Life in Britain (David Courtney)

00:00:00.000 30 seconds, one time for the underdog, ignition sequence start, let me see you put em up, reach

00:00:09.220 the sky, turn the stars up above, cause it's one time for the underdog, one time for the

00:00:16.220 underdog.

00:00:17.240 I'm Patrick B. David, host of Value Tame, and today I sat down with somebody who considers

00:00:21.860 themselves a mafioso, a gangster, but a gangster from New York who did security for Cray Twins,

00:00:29.220 one of them when they had their funeral, he's the one that brought a thousand security guards,

00:00:33.040 that's David Courtney, this man is full of stories, so get ready to be entertained on

00:00:36.940 this podcast.

00:00:37.740 How are you, sir?

00:00:38.320 Pleased to meet you, my friend.

00:00:38.980 Yes, it's good to meet you.

00:00:40.020 Yeah, you're good.

00:00:40.600 You have a very interesting resume.

00:00:42.600 A very interesting resume.

00:00:43.800 Very interesting resume.

00:00:44.960 Yeah, and I'm afraid half of it's true.

00:00:47.520 See, that's what makes it interesting, the fact that half of it, if 10% of it is true,

00:00:52.480 it's interesting, let alone half of it.

00:00:54.120 So, when I read up on you, you know, you see the word celebrity gangster, you work security

00:01:00.400 with the Cray Twins, Cray Twins, the movie in America, you know, with Tom Hardy, I think

00:01:04.840 it was called Legend, is what it was called, and some of the movies about him, a real neat

00:01:09.000 movie.

00:01:09.720 You've associated with some interesting people in your life.

00:01:12.220 How did you become a gangster?

00:01:14.580 Like, how did you get into this world yourself?

00:01:15.920 Um, I don't really think you can blame your environment of how you turned naughty.

00:01:21.300 You can't say there was no green areas for me to play on, and the classrooms were too

00:01:25.500 packed, so I ended up robbing the post office.

00:01:27.860 You can't say that. 0.90

00:01:28.560 You're born naughty. 0.66

00:01:29.820 Oh, you're born. 0.93

00:01:30.400 You're saying you're born naughty.

00:01:31.260 Yeah, I do say that.

00:01:32.360 Oh, you believe that?

00:01:33.200 I truly believe that.

00:01:34.400 So, you don't think it's association?

00:01:35.480 My mum and dad are God-fearing Cub and Scout leaders, so there is no reason at all I ended

00:01:42.720 up like this.

00:01:43.340 I was born with the genes that are just in me.

00:01:46.800 I cannot blame Scarface or a computer game or a rapper for my behaviour.

00:01:53.400 Yeah?

00:01:54.280 It might influence me if I'm skinked. 0.96

00:01:56.560 I can't blame it on that because you are born naughty.

00:01:59.260 And the people that are not born naughty, that try to be naughty, they're the ones that 0.92

00:02:04.140 ended up being snitches and cowards and doing the wrong thing on the day and making the deal

00:02:09.940 with the police. 0.94

00:02:10.520 And that word, celebrity gangster, that is a media word.

00:02:14.340 The two words don't go, celebrity gangsters.

00:02:17.120 It's like saying police intelligence.

00:02:19.500 The two words just don't go.

00:02:21.740 But I read something about at nine years old, you had something that inspired you.

00:02:26.280 Something happened that inspired you at around nine years old.

00:02:29.640 What was that?

00:02:30.480 What took place?

00:02:31.120 Was there any specific event?

00:02:32.400 I can't actually get one event.

00:02:34.480 I'm afraid, however cocky this might sound, you do actually get natural leaders and natural

00:02:40.420 soldiers.

00:02:41.480 Yeah?

00:02:41.780 I agree with that.

00:02:42.460 You've got to know what you are as quick as possible and try not to be put into the

00:02:46.380 wrong category because each one is exactly the same importance as the other one.

00:02:53.100 And luckily, I am a leader.

00:02:54.900 At a very early age, I realized that the art of delegation is as important as the days of

00:03:01.380 the best fighter was the one in charge of the firm.

00:03:04.080 That is very Neanderthal. 0.92

00:03:05.900 That's a bit Conan.

00:03:07.260 Conan is a barbarian.

00:03:08.580 You know, always the best fighter on the firm isn't always the most intelligent.

00:03:13.080 Maybe he's a little bit, not the sharpest pencil in the box, yeah?

00:03:15.880 But, you know, and it's horses for courses.

00:03:18.220 And I was very good at delegating who, what, where.

00:03:21.840 At what age?

00:03:22.460 At what age did you identify that?

00:03:23.900 At least you're born with that.

00:03:25.460 You can't learn that.

00:03:27.040 But are you the older brother?

00:03:28.940 I'm the older brother, yeah.

00:03:30.400 I'm not a massive family.

00:03:31.860 One brother, one sister.

00:03:32.980 One brother, one sister.

00:03:34.360 Did you have a lot of cousins?

00:03:35.340 Did you have a lot of cousins?

00:03:35.960 Yeah, I had a lot of cousins.

00:03:36.920 But I was definitely the black sheep of the family.

00:03:40.280 My biggest weapon that I have, I can read you quicker than you would f***ing want me to. 0.54

00:03:45.940 Sorry.

00:03:46.780 I could read you quicker than you would want me to.

00:03:49.460 And humor is of maximum importance to me, yeah?

00:03:53.840 Laughing, keeping it funny, keeping it on a good bounce in every single thing I do.

00:03:59.980 Whether you're sitting outside a house waiting to shoot someone, 0.98

00:04:02.820 you can either be sitting there shitting yourself or just try and keep it good humoured, yeah? 0.96

00:04:07.140 I never know what problem is going to knock on my door 24 hours a day. 0.98

00:04:11.080 And as long as I am ticking over in a good, happy, bouncy mood all day long,

00:04:15.480 I handle all them problems better that I'm in a good mood than I am if I'm walking around with the ump.

00:04:20.580 I don't do that, yeah?

00:04:22.560 Most of the people I know do, but I don't do that.

00:04:25.040 You didn't touch the drugs?

00:04:25.640 That's not my thing.

00:04:26.620 Really?

00:04:27.080 Yeah, I'm not saying I'm, no, no, no, I don't do that.

00:04:29.260 I'm not saying I haven't had a puff, I don't have a good drink now and then, yeah, 0.97

00:04:32.540 I've watched it turn heroes of mine into arseholes.

00:04:37.600 I don't do that and I don't ever want to be in a position where, 0.90

00:04:41.300 because of what I tell people to do gets done,

00:04:44.300 that I ever have to make a decision while I'm wired, yeah?

00:04:47.580 And I went, well, just put an hole in him and I didn't really mean that just because I was flying.

00:04:52.820 Got it.

00:04:53.020 I don't do that.

00:04:54.400 What you see is what you get, yeah?

00:04:56.220 That is a very unenviable way to live.

00:04:58.740 You're February 1759, is that one, February 1759?

00:05:01.860 Yeah, wow, yeah, you're good.

00:05:02.720 So I watched to see, connect the dots, to see where does your wiring come from?

00:05:07.720 So obviously it's not your parents because your parents are, you said, God-fearing,

00:05:11.560 you know, good people doing what they're doing and you learned at an early age that you had the delegation part.

00:05:17.320 So when would you say was the first time you committed your first crime where you're like,

00:05:21.280 you know what, I enjoy doing it.

00:05:22.520 Was there something that you enjoyed?

00:05:23.880 Listen, I never looked at it as crime.

00:05:25.760 Okay.

00:05:26.280 I was enjoying myself.

00:05:27.860 I was being center of attraction.

00:05:30.260 I didn't look at it as I was being extra brave or I was the courageous one, yeah?

00:05:35.560 I didn't realize I was gifted at having a fight until quite later on in my life.

00:05:40.160 I never had to.

00:05:40.980 I hung around with all the big kids, all the naughty kids, 13, 14, and 15, my friends were 20.

00:05:46.960 So I never had to have a fight.

00:05:48.300 They were all doing it for me.

00:05:49.420 How old was your first fight?

00:05:50.440 How old were you?

00:05:51.180 Oh, I can't remember.

00:05:51.940 You have your fights at school and all that, but that's not worth talking about.

00:05:54.720 But the first real battle, right?

00:05:56.080 It sounded like a real fight, like a...

00:05:57.600 Oh, the first real battle I had was with a builder one day in a pub who had the belt

00:06:02.020 on with the hammer and the screwdrivers.

00:06:05.560 And it just looked like the scariest thing in the world, you know what I mean?

00:06:08.900 And it was the first real man-to-man battle I can remember having to have.

00:06:12.920 Now, you're famous for saying you can outfight and outdance almost any man.

00:06:17.180 You've said that, you said...

00:06:18.300 But I cheat.

00:06:19.200 I use a knuckle duster.

00:06:20.420 Uh-huh.

00:06:21.000 Yeah?

00:06:21.420 That's my choice of weapon.

00:06:22.480 Gives you an edge.

00:06:22.820 I truly believe in this.

00:06:24.040 If you are someone that has to carry a weapon for your day job, a prison officer, a dormant,

00:06:29.160 a debt collector, a soldier, whatever, you must choose the weapon that you are prepared

00:06:34.400 to do the prison sentence for, right?

00:06:36.520 What I mean by that is if you choose to carry a gun or a knife, forget the time you're going

00:06:41.560 to pull the knife and save your life, what will most probably happen is you'll be driving 0.99

00:06:45.560 down the road, hit someone up the arse in his new car, he will jump out of his car, drag 0.99

00:06:50.140 you out, stop banging you, and you would, if you had it in your pocket, go, right, and 0.99

00:06:55.460 get 20 years because you dented his bumper, yeah?

00:06:57.780 If he was walking around Tesco's and you trod on his foot and he just had a corn operation

00:07:02.160 and he turned around and started beating you up and you had it in your pocket, you would

00:07:05.820 go and get 20 years because you, right, so don't carry the weapon you don't want to

00:07:10.660 do the prison sentence for, a knuckle duster, you will go bang, knock him out, and that's 0.94

00:07:16.320 it.

00:07:16.880 He ain't going to die, his jaw will go over there, you might get 18 months, and I don't

00:07:21.440 mind getting 18 months every time I have a fight, but I'm not going to risk getting

00:07:25.400 life imprisonment every time I have to fight somebody.

00:07:28.380 You're that calculating?

00:07:29.700 Whatever you want to call it, choose the weapon you don't mind doing the bird for, yeah?

00:07:35.820 And I don't mind getting 18 months here doing it as if I get caught, but because I wrapped

00:07:39.780 mine up in plaster and no one ever saw that I had it on, they just thought I was the best

00:07:43.500 puncher in the world, you know, knocking them out all over the place, yeah?

00:07:47.080 And I run a big team of doormen in London just before the rave scene it, so I had about

00:07:52.660 800 flat-nosed, bald-headed thugs working for me, and I was like a job centre in the week,

00:07:59.600 so on a Friday, Saturday and Sunday night, they were doormen, but all week they just 0.59

00:08:03.880 sat at home in the gym.

00:08:05.560 So if anyone wanted somebody beat up, their car repossessed, some squatters thrown out,

00:08:12.160 whatever, yeah?

00:08:13.860 You might not know to ask, but you know the doormen of the nightclub, you know, the eight

00:08:18.480 guys all standing there like that, they will either do it, or they will know where to point

00:08:23.140 to get it done.

00:08:24.200 So all of a sudden I had a 900 strong army.

00:08:27.700 Reporting to you, these security.

00:08:28.740 Reporting to me, yeah, yeah.

00:08:29.960 And then the rave scene came in, you know, acid, and the drug scene came in.

00:08:33.960 What year is that?

00:08:34.660 What year is the rave scene?

00:08:35.500 Late 80s?

00:08:36.460 Yeah, yeah, mid-80s, yeah, yeah.

00:08:38.280 Yeah.

00:08:38.560 Well, you're earning 150 pound a night as a wages as a doormen, yeah?

00:08:43.580 Now they were selling these E's in the nightclub at 20 pounds each, and it was the doormen

00:08:50.660 that controlled that, yeah?

00:08:51.700 They're the doormen controlled, you can come in and sell them, right?

00:08:55.660 I get X amount of pounds for letting you do that, and I will do my job and throw everyone

00:09:00.200 else out that's selling them.

00:09:01.940 So I look like I'm doing my job, the police are happy with me, I'm throwing them out at

00:09:05.580 everyone, but I'm leaving you in there, you give me a thousand pound a night to sell them,

00:09:10.420 and that way you'll have no other competition in there.

00:09:13.400 So, and then all of a sudden you're earning four or five grand a night.

00:09:17.920 So now it's worth getting involved in a drug war for, when there's people turning up going,

00:09:23.260 I want to be the doormen here with guns, we want to run this club.

00:09:26.420 It's worth fighting for, because you're now going home with a thousand pound a night wages.

00:09:30.880 Yeah, so you're involved in drug wars, then it all goes, it's a slow process, but it turned

00:09:37.180 into that way, and then my army of debt collectors, car repossession, foreign squatters out, turned

00:09:44.400 into an army in the authorities' eyes of drug-deaning English gangsters, which I suppose we molded

00:09:53.400 into, but didn't set out to be, do you understand what I mean?

00:09:56.060 Yeah.

00:09:56.560 No one set out to be, I want to go and be a G.

00:09:58.740 Yeah, nobody does want to be a G, but sometimes, like you said something earlier, so, I mean,

00:10:03.860 that's late 80s, early 90s, let's go back a little bit.

00:10:06.640 So let me ask you, say I'm in high school with you, okay, we're 16, 17 years old, who

00:10:12.060 were you in high school?

00:10:13.060 I was the funniest guy in high school, I was the court jester, and I've handled the court

00:10:17.040 jester thing in the big gangster situations I've been in, in life-threatening situations

00:10:22.240 I've been in, when I've been in the Old Bailey, at the Old Bailey, I went dressed as a court 0.71

00:10:27.420 jester, with the bells, and knocked the policeman out in the court, yeah, I've been, when I've

00:10:32.400 been in prison, I've played the court jester in prison.

00:10:35.880 It's kept me out of trouble, I haven't had to hang around with the blacks, the whites, 1.00

00:10:39.400 the Muslims, the non-Muslims, the hard nuts, the cowards, the gay, I was a court jester, 1.00

00:10:44.880 I was everyone, yeah? 1.00

00:10:45.880 Giggly, jokey, laughing, when it comes down to being serious, then I can be as serious

00:10:50.080 as anyone else, if not, I have a very, very scary phone book, mate, yeah?

00:10:54.180 It's not what I can do anymore, is it?

00:10:56.120 It's not that. 0.95

00:10:57.120 It's who I can fucking men up, so. 0.94

00:10:59.680 Does that go all the way back to then as well, or no? 0.97

00:11:01.680 Yeah, of course, yes, it's what you can call up.

00:11:03.880 That's what makes you important, that's what makes you scary, yeah?

00:11:06.960 If I can call on the Russians, the Albanians, the Somalians, the Chinese, the Yadi, if I 1.00

00:11:13.500 can call them up, I don't have to be a good fighter, I'll just get you fucked up on my 0.99

00:11:17.800 telephone. 0.99

00:11:18.800 They say, choose a weapon, let me get to something, if you let me get to my phone, I don't care 1.00

00:11:23.080 what situation I'm in, what country I'm in, if you let me get to my phone, I can fuck you. 1.00

00:11:29.280 So choice of weapon has changed to a phone now? 1.00

00:11:31.360 Telephones, 100%, 100%, let me get that and I'll beat you.

00:11:35.860 Wow.

00:11:36.860 Like you said, you have to be born with it, which is great, but you said something earlier, 1.00

00:11:39.840 you said, I never touched a blow, I never touched a coke. 0.90

00:11:43.440 I never touched a coke, I've had a puff, I've done that, but listen, listen, coke is the weirdest

00:11:48.280 drug in the world for me to actually even understand.

00:11:50.280 Because any drug you take, if you take acid, you know you've had a bit of acid.

00:11:56.460 If you smoke a bit of weed, you know you've had a bit of weed.

00:11:59.160 If you've had a bit of Amphet, you know you've had a bit of Amphet.

00:12:02.160 If you have a bit of cocaine and you go alright, they say, I'm alright, nothing wrong with me,

00:12:06.160 I'm cool.

00:12:07.160 Well I don't want to be f***ing cool if I've paid £50 for something, I want to feel something,

00:12:11.780 but cocaine makes you think you're alright. 0.97

00:12:14.400 You feel like you can shag everything in the room, but you can't get an ard on. 1.00

00:12:18.280 It just makes you talk like a complete b**k. 0.99

00:12:19.960 If you ever get arrested while on cocaine, the hardest thing in the world to do is go, 0.99

00:12:25.280 no comment.

00:12:26.280 No, I'm not saying nothing.

00:12:29.540 I'll tell you a little bit.

00:12:31.020 I'll tell you a little bit.

00:12:32.020 Yeah, what is that?

00:12:33.020 What is that?

00:12:34.020 And they're walking around saying there's nothing wrong with it.

00:12:36.180 No one who takes cocaine, and you ever say to them, how do you feel, and they go, I'm

00:12:39.740 out my nut.

00:12:40.740 They don't say that, they say I'm alright.

00:12:42.260 I don't want a drug that makes me be alright.

00:12:45.340 I took it for something.

00:12:48.060 And it's the only drug in the world that you give it away.

00:12:51.080 You don't go up to the counter and buy a pint of lager and say to someone,

00:12:54.280 do you want half of that?

00:12:55.260 Or you go shopping and get half your shopping and put it in another bag and go have that.

00:12:58.880 But if you get cocaine, every time you go and have a bit and that's all,

00:13:01.520 it'll go, do you want some?

00:13:02.780 And you give half of it away.

00:13:04.280 It's the most expensive drug there is.

00:13:07.460 And that's the one that you give it away before you've even took it.

00:13:11.180 You're giving half of it away.

00:13:12.120 Do you want a line?

00:13:12.600 Do you want a line?

00:13:13.640 No one snips off and has it.

00:13:14.920 You go off and make sure you find someone to give half of it away to. 0.92

00:13:19.380 It's f***ing crazy. 0.86

00:13:21.000 It ain't got a bit of me. 0.90

00:13:22.700 We have a different perspective.

00:13:24.240 Yeah.

00:13:24.380 But you were saying, you said the reason you didn't do it is because you saw so many of your heroes.

00:13:29.740 So I need some pushes like that.

00:13:31.020 So who were some of your heroes?

00:13:32.420 Well, I've still got some, but I don't want to put them in the same category.

00:13:36.980 Of course.

00:13:37.740 Sure, you can categorize them if you want to.

00:13:40.020 Yeah, I mean, I was a very close friend of the Cray twins. 0.95

00:13:43.340 Okay.

00:13:43.540 Charlie Cray lived in my house.

00:13:45.740 I was his character reference in his last court case.

00:13:49.520 He got 12 years.

00:13:50.760 It didn't do him a little good.

00:13:52.400 I buried Ronnie Cray.

00:13:54.000 I'd done all the security for his funeral.

00:13:55.820 That propelled me into sort of naughty boy stardom.

00:14:00.040 Why do you think that is?

00:14:00.920 Is it because of that?

00:14:01.460 Well, not what I think it is.

00:14:02.220 I said exactly what happened.

00:14:03.280 Please.

00:14:03.480 I'll give you a little running of how Dave Courtney grew, yeah?

00:14:07.540 Sure.

00:14:07.960 I'm doing the doorman, yeah?

00:14:09.280 I'm doing this doorman thing.

00:14:11.200 I made one little documentary about, it's called The Bermondsey Boy.

00:14:15.240 And it was about a man preparing to go to prison.

00:14:18.220 And they were filming me doing the doors.

00:14:21.520 And they knew I was going to go to prison.

00:14:23.220 There were seven witnesses against me.

00:14:25.260 And they had permission from the home office to film me when I come out.

00:14:28.580 And whether prison had worked.

00:14:30.300 And how many friends stayed loyal and all that.

00:14:32.800 And on the day before I went to prison, somebody visited all these witnesses and they didn't turn up.

00:14:37.420 So they'd done this documentary of Dave Courtney the debt collector, car repossession, rent a clump, you know, and all that.

00:14:44.900 So they got all the bad bits.

00:14:46.720 And then it was going to be easy to make it look like I was a reformed character.

00:14:51.320 Because they filmed so much bad.

00:14:52.960 But then I got not guilty.

00:14:54.420 But they didn't know what to do with the documentary.

00:14:56.020 So they just put this documentary on the telly.

00:14:58.060 This is 30 years ago. 0.94

00:14:59.500 Of this raving lunatic running around doing all these things with thousands of bald-headed blokes all on his side. 0.75

00:15:05.860 And what made me different is I'm multiracial myself, yeah. 0.96

00:15:09.840 My wife is Jamaican.

00:15:11.080 You know, I have my own mixed-race children.

00:15:13.640 So at that time, white skinheads and black men weren't really genuinely on the best of frame of mind.

00:15:20.700 There was genuine real racism.

00:15:22.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:15:23.720 This is 80s?

00:15:24.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:15:25.160 Early, you know.

00:15:25.880 My choice of lady made my army multiracial.

00:15:28.900 Yeah, they didn't mind working for me.

00:15:30.840 So I had 600 big black guys, 600 Muslims, 800 white fellas. 0.78

00:15:36.660 You know what I mean?

00:15:37.040 It didn't matter to me.

00:15:37.860 You're on my side.

00:15:39.280 If you, if you, the Marines take on all comers, don't they?

00:15:42.480 You understand me?

00:15:43.200 You're all fighting for the same cause.

00:15:44.860 But you're that, you're that, you're that.

00:15:46.100 And that's exactly the same as what I, my army grew.

00:15:48.340 The reputation grew because of the documentary.

00:15:50.960 The Kray twins wanted to get to know me. 0.99

00:15:53.900 So I went to go and see them.

00:15:55.240 I was running all the door, all the nightclubs, the string fellows, the Hippodrome, the Ministry

00:15:59.800 of Sound, all my dormers.

00:16:01.600 And they wanted a little bit of it.

00:16:03.080 You understand what I mean?

00:16:03.760 And to do that, they had to get on with me.

00:16:05.680 Well, I was a young, impressionable man at the time.

00:16:08.240 Couldn't believe I'm going to meet the Krays.

00:16:10.060 It's like you go, yeah.

00:16:11.240 How old were you at the time, the first time you met him?

00:16:13.300 About 26, something like that.

00:16:15.480 You were 26 when you first met him?

00:16:16.700 Yeah, yeah.

00:16:17.180 And at that time, were they in London, were they gods?

00:16:20.180 No, no, they were all in prison then.

00:16:21.880 Oh, they were in prison.

00:16:22.720 Okay, got it.

00:16:23.400 Let me explain this.

00:16:24.800 No one or nothing is as big as a myth.

00:16:28.060 No one or nothing is as big as a myth.

00:16:31.140 Not the Kray twins, not Dave Courtney, maybe not even John Gotti, Al Capone.

00:16:35.160 Yeah, I mean, not as big as the myth.

00:16:37.100 You know, or as romantic, the real nitty-gritty bit isn't the same, yeah?

00:16:41.860 Crime is only glamorous in a book or on a big screen.

00:16:44.700 It's not really.

00:16:46.760 You know what I mean?

00:16:47.340 Absolutely.

00:16:47.700 It's not really.

00:16:48.880 This propelled me into like a naughty boy stardom thing, yeah?

00:16:53.720 And so now the Kray twins died. 0.99

00:16:55.440 Now, I looked at that as the biggest and best security job,

00:16:59.280 because I had a security company, that I was ever going to get.

00:17:02.000 There's CNN driving around.

00:17:03.360 And most criminals are supposed to conduct themselves like this.

00:17:08.580 They stay in the shadows with their collar up, no pictures, no comment.

00:17:12.920 You know, it's a dirty business and all that.

00:17:15.480 And I chose the best 150 army that I could choose to do the security for that.

00:17:22.100 I had Mr Glasgow, Mr Newcastle, Mr Liverpool, Mr London, Mr Brighton,

00:17:27.700 Mr Leeds, Mr Manchester.

00:17:29.480 These were, listen, when I see them all meet at my house in the morning,

00:17:34.120 I want you to invade Iraq. 1.00

00:17:35.780 You know, I'm too old to say that, but, wow, it made you hard.

00:17:40.560 Yeah, you're looking at them and it's like, I'm looking at it as the best show of force you can get.

00:17:46.500 They're all coming there to show respect to the Bronny Cray, yeah?

00:17:51.780 You know, the sort of, you know, the mythical king of the underworld.

00:17:55.040 And a lot of these people never really got on with each other.

00:17:57.440 But for that day, and there was three quarters of a million people there,

00:18:00.080 and I needed a proper little 150.

00:18:02.100 Three quarters of a million.

00:18:02.880 A million.

00:18:03.260 Three quarters of a million people there.

00:18:04.920 Yeah, come to see Ronnie Craig at bed.

00:18:07.840 As many as Lady Diane Winston Churchill.

00:18:09.760 And I had a meeting with the chief of police.

00:18:11.700 And you know they say things in your life that you wish you could cut your tongue out,

00:18:16.380 because you should never have said it.

00:18:18.240 Sure.

00:18:19.080 My big one was I had a meeting with the chief of police at the time.

00:18:23.000 And I was sitting there talking away about the security and blah, blah, blah.

00:18:26.700 And my little cocky attitude, yeah?

00:18:28.720 It was sitting there with Charlie Cray and myself and all these other people.

00:18:32.780 And he said, well, the one thing that we've got, Mr. Courtney,

00:18:36.700 that you haven't, that your little band of men haven't got.

00:18:41.220 And I went, I'll do a minute.

00:18:42.080 I said, before we start being rude to each other, I said,

00:18:43.680 the truth is this, I'm only trying to help you.

00:18:45.480 I said, the church holds 250 people.

00:18:49.160 There's going to be a million out there.

00:18:50.620 If you don't know the right 250 people to let in,

00:18:53.300 they are going to get the hump of them policemen, yeah?

00:18:55.060 And if that policeman says, you can come to the hole in the ground at the cemetery

00:18:58.980 and you've got to wait outside, if you say that to the wrong person,

00:19:02.420 they are not, you know, they're not policemen fans.

00:19:05.020 Right?

00:19:05.200 So I think the best thing you lot can do is line the streets

00:19:07.780 and leave the security of this to me and mine,

00:19:10.440 because I know what I'm talking about and who I'm talking to.

00:19:13.280 Who do you let come into the funeral parlour and kiss Ronnie's dead body

00:19:16.520 and who do you say no to?

00:19:17.900 If you're saying no to the wrong person, 0.97

00:19:19.500 you're going to get smacked in the mouth, mate.

00:19:21.580 You're telling this to them, to the chief, yeah. 0.97

00:19:23.280 And he's not liking it,

00:19:24.900 but he can't argue with me or saying it a bit nicely back,

00:19:27.600 because he's chief of police.

00:19:28.960 So he has to talk to me like that, yeah, right?

00:19:30.780 So he went, well, the one thing we have got, Mr. Corpney,

00:19:34.260 that your little band of men haven't.

00:19:36.660 He said, not everyone is a Kraytwin fan.

00:19:39.260 He said, there could be an assassination attempt.

00:19:41.980 And the one thing we've got that you haven't got,

00:19:43.740 he said, is firearms.

00:19:44.440 Now, could I cut my tongue out?

00:19:49.320 What I said was, please, let me tell you something.

00:19:52.640 The one thing you've got that we haven't got

00:19:54.360 is firearms certificates.

00:19:55.900 I said, we've all got a gun.

00:19:57.520 And I shouldn't have said that.

00:20:00.040 I shouldn't have said that,

00:20:01.100 because that made me an instant enemy of someone that,

00:20:04.540 from that day on, he went, destroy Dave Corpney, yeah?

00:20:08.460 Destroy anything he does or things.

00:20:10.780 That hurt me.

00:20:11.460 That genuinely collapsed my little world in that comment, all right?

00:20:14.940 But for that day, instead of hiding in the shadows and the thing,

00:20:18.240 I made it that the world is looking at this funeral.

00:20:21.180 They're looking at all me and mine to pick it up, yeah?

00:20:24.400 And I was determined to give you lot,

00:20:27.480 over there in America, something to look at.

00:20:29.700 You understand what I mean?

00:20:30.440 When John Gotti got buried, I sat and watched it all day, yeah?

00:20:33.300 You understand what I mean?

00:20:34.080 Not my telly.

00:20:34.720 Of course.

00:20:35.100 I knew you were going to,

00:20:36.100 so I made sure you had something to look at.

00:20:38.580 But what I didn't realise is that the authorities,

00:20:41.000 the police looked at that as the very first time

00:20:45.180 of visual proof of organised crime.

00:20:48.700 They said that's one criminal

00:20:50.060 celebrating the life of another criminal

00:20:52.560 has organised all these other criminals

00:20:54.760 to come down here and do their thing.

00:20:57.120 That's organised crime.

00:20:58.420 Let me ask you, at that time,

00:20:59.400 was it public in London?

00:21:00.940 Was it public already that there was organised crime?

00:21:03.040 Did they all know about it?

00:21:03.920 Did they talk about it?

00:21:04.780 At what extent it could be if it wanted to, yeah?

00:21:07.360 With the invention of the mobile phone 0.96

00:21:09.460 and the computers and all that shit. 0.92

00:21:11.000 Yeah, but no one actually knew 0.73

00:21:12.000 how organised crime could be

00:21:13.540 until there was visual proof of it.

00:21:16.120 The police might have had odd little things of,

00:21:18.500 wow, wow, wow, and they knew things.

00:21:19.780 But the general public was not aware of...

00:21:21.880 Really?

00:21:22.160 One man could call up all the firms in London

00:21:25.860 and England and Scotland and Wales and Ireland, 0.93

00:21:28.500 the Yardies and IRA and Triads and f***ing Yakuza 0.98

00:21:31.740 and all that, one man can call that up

00:21:33.500 and get them all standing at the side of a road

00:21:35.100 to protect one man.

00:21:36.820 Wow, we've never seen that before.

00:21:38.480 And that made them go, wow, as well,

00:21:40.940 and put a little clamp down on everything

00:21:43.200 that Dave Cookney done.

00:21:44.460 So that's when the populists started realising

00:21:46.940 who you are.

00:21:47.660 Yeah, yeah, the next day I was in the front page

00:21:49.620 of the paper as Celebrity Gangster,

00:21:52.180 Heir to the Throne. 0.99

00:21:53.940 F***, I don't want that title. 0.99

00:21:55.960 Where do you go after that title? 0.99

00:21:57.400 No one runs off in the gangster world

00:21:59.460 into the sunset or lives happily ever after, yeah?

00:22:02.280 You get 35 years wrapped around you

00:22:04.420 or a belly button in the forehead you didn't want.

00:22:06.620 I don't want that.

00:22:07.440 So I quickly, just as publicly,

00:22:09.840 tried to go, no, and wrote a book,

00:22:12.520 Stop the Ride, I Want to Get Off.

00:22:14.680 Yeah, I could see that

00:22:16.180 because the more famous you get for being naughty,

00:22:18.500 the less naughty you can be.

00:22:20.620 Interesting.

00:22:21.080 Right?

00:22:21.280 The more famous you get for being naughty,

00:22:22.800 the less naughty you get.

00:22:23.600 I couldn't even get out of my car

00:22:24.960 and go, bang, 0.93

00:22:25.920 to the geezer in the car behind

00:22:27.000 because everyone would say,

00:22:28.200 Dave Cookney done it.

00:22:28.940 I see him on the telly.

00:22:29.780 I know him.

00:22:30.280 I can't even be a debt collector no more.

00:22:31.900 I can't run in your house

00:22:33.140 and throw you all around the front room

00:22:34.420 and threaten you to get your money off you.

00:22:36.700 You'll go, Dave Cookney done it.

00:22:37.980 I know him.

00:22:38.400 I see him on the telly.

00:22:39.800 I can't do it.

00:22:41.340 You have to use different methods.

00:22:42.800 Like, if I then woke you up

00:22:43.920 at three in the morning

00:22:44.840 with a balaclava on,

00:22:45.740 just like where you're lying in bed

00:22:46.820 with your wife

00:22:47.280 and another couple of geezer's like, 0.65

00:22:48.340 no, excuse me.

00:22:49.100 Excuse me.

00:22:49.680 Shush, love.

00:22:50.240 Shush.

00:22:50.900 Shush.

00:22:51.880 It's about that £700,000, yeah?

00:22:54.000 Shush, love.

00:22:55.240 It's about that £700,000, mate.

00:22:57.060 I know you ain't got it

00:22:57.760 in the bedside cabinet.

00:22:58.620 I'll give you a week.

00:22:59.700 Right?

00:22:59.980 Babe, be quiet. 0.89

00:23:02.020 All right?

00:23:02.540 I'll give you a week

00:23:03.440 and I'll be back here in a week

00:23:04.540 and if I don't get it,

00:23:05.640 the next time you see me,

00:23:06.760 I'll give you an old heir.

00:23:08.020 All right?

00:23:08.280 Now, don't worry.

00:23:09.060 I won't nick no ornaments.

00:23:10.060 I won't wake the kids 0.98

00:23:11.020 but sort the f*** money out. 0.98

00:23:12.400 That was a new way of doing it 0.95

00:23:14.320 rather than running in

00:23:15.200 and going,

00:23:15.600 you owe him money

00:23:16.420 and I said,

00:23:17.360 it all went up a gear.

00:23:18.980 Do you understand what I mean?

00:23:19.820 Yeah.

00:23:20.080 Did it hurt your business?

00:23:21.340 It hurt,

00:23:21.740 it crucified my business.

00:23:23.160 Yeah, I bet it did.

00:23:23.600 They closed down my door company

00:23:25.460 the next day.

00:23:27.460 They didn't hide it.

00:23:28.300 They went into the nightclubs

00:23:29.440 and went,

00:23:29.760 you employing Dave Courtney security,

00:23:31.940 then you won't have a,

00:23:32.740 you won't have a license

00:23:33.640 for a television,

00:23:35.140 let alone a nightclub.

00:23:36.520 Sack him.

00:23:37.140 I mean, 0.98

00:23:37.400 that's the fastest way

00:23:38.160 to put you out of business.

00:23:38.980 And they did it.

00:23:39.780 They did it.

00:23:40.340 You know,

00:23:40.740 and then the school

00:23:41.700 was saying to me,

00:23:42.920 would I please

00:23:43.720 pick up my children

00:23:44.720 down the road

00:23:46.000 because they didn't want me

00:23:46.800 walking in the playground

00:23:47.800 to collect my kids

00:23:48.800 because I was unnerving

00:23:50.720 the other parents.

00:23:52.200 So how do you make money

00:23:53.120 after that?

00:23:53.760 What was your form

00:23:54.580 of making money?

00:23:55.360 Well,

00:23:55.500 my form of making money

00:23:56.400 was the debt collecting,

00:23:57.780 the car repossession,

00:23:58.760 the door company.

00:23:59.860 No,

00:24:00.040 I know,

00:24:00.300 but after that,

00:24:01.060 how do you do it?

00:24:01.500 After that,

00:24:01.520 it crucified me.

00:24:02.260 After that,

00:24:03.180 they've done everything.

00:24:04.120 So I then went

00:24:04.740 into the entertainment world.

00:24:06.400 I started doing

00:24:06.920 a bit of films,

00:24:08.360 made a couple of albums,

00:24:09.760 wrote a few books

00:24:11.480 and it was all working

00:24:13.440 because there was

00:24:14.120 freedom of the press then.

00:24:15.820 There was freedom of the press.

00:24:16.920 They could write about

00:24:17.500 anyone they wanted.

00:24:18.220 If they thought

00:24:18.640 it was interesting,

00:24:19.720 they could put me on

00:24:20.420 as guest speakers

00:24:21.380 on their show.

00:24:21.860 You were saying

00:24:22.180 there isn't today?

00:24:23.220 No,

00:24:23.400 no,

00:24:23.520 no,

00:24:23.720 of course not.

00:24:24.240 No,

00:24:24.360 no,

00:24:24.460 no.

00:24:24.640 There's now a genuine law

00:24:27.180 in England

00:24:27.980 where you cannot

00:24:28.800 glamorize crime.

00:24:30.640 So if I gave my book

00:24:31.720 to a book critic,

00:24:33.080 he would give it back to me

00:24:34.200 and say,

00:24:34.320 I'm not allowed

00:24:35.180 to do that,

00:24:36.040 Dave,

00:24:36.540 because I'm not allowed

00:24:37.340 to say it's any good.

00:24:39.340 By law,

00:24:40.060 I'm not allowed to say it.

00:24:41.040 You can do it

00:24:41.540 in your country.

00:24:42.180 In this country,

00:24:42.920 I'm not allowed

00:24:43.620 to be on any game shows,

00:24:45.240 any chat shows,

00:24:46.080 any radio.

00:24:47.140 My name is now flagged.

00:24:48.440 If anyone goes to write

00:24:49.360 about me in the press,

00:24:50.600 it has to go to

00:24:51.220 Scotland Yard first

00:24:52.060 and if it's anything,

00:24:53.400 oh,

00:24:53.680 Dave's this or Dave that,

00:24:55.100 it's not on this.

00:24:56.160 A law,

00:24:57.400 I think it's

00:24:58.040 two and a half years old.

00:24:59.900 Yeah,

00:25:00.120 go and check that one out.

00:25:01.180 It's a two and a half

00:25:01.860 year old law.

00:25:02.360 Yeah,

00:25:02.720 you cannot glamorise crime.

00:25:05.380 Virgin cannot glamorise crime. 1.00

00:25:07.900 Virgin can publish my books

00:25:10.200 but they're not allowed

00:25:11.480 to put a poster up

00:25:12.360 saying Dave Courtney's

00:25:13.120 got a new book out

00:25:13.920 because the poster

00:25:14.960 is glamorising crime.

00:25:15.860 So how do you make money?

00:25:16.720 You know,

00:25:17.060 I'm not making a lot

00:25:18.340 of money at the moment.

00:25:19.000 I'm living on what I've had.

00:25:20.380 I've got a nightclub

00:25:21.140 in my home.

00:25:22.120 I do all right

00:25:22.960 with other countries,

00:25:23.900 people like this.

00:25:24.680 I do all right.

00:25:25.900 I do all right.

00:25:26.840 I'm more of an envoy

00:25:27.860 or an ambassador.

00:25:28.820 I'm no longer

00:25:29.260 an active criminal.

00:25:30.700 They're still on my telephone.

00:25:31.900 They're still in

00:25:32.500 not last year

00:25:33.480 the year before last

00:25:34.480 I found five monitoring

00:25:35.920 devices in my house.

00:25:37.420 Five.

00:25:38.040 The army came up

00:25:38.840 and done it for me.

00:25:39.720 Five.

00:25:40.080 They're remote control.

00:25:41.080 They were the brand new ones

00:25:42.220 that they drive past

00:25:43.460 and go bing

00:25:44.020 and then you can check

00:25:45.000 your house out

00:25:45.500 and there's none in there.

00:25:46.540 All right.

00:25:46.720 And then they just drive past

00:25:47.620 and go bing

00:25:48.140 and you're live-o.

00:25:50.140 I found one in my bedroom. 1.00

00:25:51.780 One in my fucking bedroom. 1.00

00:25:52.820 Forget all the gangster 1.00

00:25:53.520 shit they heard 1.00

00:25:54.060 in the kitchen. 1.00

00:25:54.680 They heard me having 0.89

00:25:55.180 a wank mental 0.94

00:25:55.880 and they haven't laid 0.97

00:25:56.640 off me at all

00:25:57.460 because now my biggest threat

00:26:00.620 to them is I'm making

00:26:02.120 crime look glamorous. 1.00

00:26:03.580 Like I'm fucking... 0.99

00:26:05.120 Do you think you are though? 0.99

00:26:06.000 No, I'm not.

00:26:06.460 I'm not glamorizing crime.

00:26:07.700 I'm glamorizing Dave.

00:26:09.340 Yeah, I'd have been

00:26:10.120 a cocky postman. 0.88

00:26:12.240 I'd have been a cocky milkman. 0.77

00:26:13.880 I'm just having to laugh

00:26:15.240 and having to think.

00:26:15.780 I'm not glamorizing crime.

00:26:16.800 I'm telling you now.

00:26:18.060 Do not be a criminal.

00:26:19.460 Hear me all that.

00:26:20.320 I'm not glamorizing crime.

00:26:21.560 Today's a wrong time

00:26:22.460 to be a criminal.

00:26:23.140 You are not pitting your wits

00:26:24.800 against the Sherlock Holmes

00:26:25.840 policemen no more.

00:26:26.920 You're trying to beat technology 0.99

00:26:28.280 and you can't fucking do that, mate. 0.99

00:26:31.040 All right? 0.99

00:26:31.340 You can't do that.

00:26:32.000 They're taking pictures of you

00:26:33.100 from the moon.

00:26:34.520 Knock it on the head. 0.64

00:26:35.940 Don't listen to the computer game.

00:26:37.840 Tony Montana, the rapper.

00:26:40.120 They're singing about something

00:26:41.300 that's old.

00:26:42.460 Like cowboys and Indians, 0.99

00:26:44.560 knights in shining armor,

00:26:45.900 pirates.

00:26:46.420 They're all romantic gangsters 0.54

00:26:49.400 of the day.

00:26:50.120 And gangsters are

00:26:50.920 one of them words.

00:26:51.820 There's no longer any.

00:26:52.960 I'm not glamorizing it.

00:26:54.060 I'm glamorizing me.

00:26:55.120 So do you think

00:26:55.800 that's a good thing?

00:26:56.560 What?

00:26:56.820 You can't be a criminal no more?

00:26:58.100 No, I just think it's history.

00:26:59.280 You can't be a pirate no more.

00:27:00.960 You can't be a cowboy no more.

00:27:02.260 Not at that level anymore.

00:27:03.200 No, no, no.

00:27:03.700 You can't no longer

00:27:04.340 be a gangster no more.

00:27:05.680 Stop it.

00:27:06.060 There's people in pinstripe suits

00:27:07.460 now up in the city

00:27:08.500 making a million pound a day.

00:27:10.560 You're a calculating guy.

00:27:11.520 You said you use knife 20 years.

00:27:13.460 You use gun this many years.

00:27:14.840 You use brass

00:27:16.420 that's going to give you 18 months.

00:27:19.100 So you're pretty good.

00:27:19.840 Cocaine.

00:27:20.400 You do cocaine

00:27:21.060 you have to share it with somebody.

00:27:22.040 You smoke weed.

00:27:22.740 You do acid.

00:27:24.180 All this other.

00:27:24.580 You're very calculating.

00:27:26.000 It's very obvious.

00:27:26.600 You're very calculating.

00:27:27.220 So today

00:27:28.500 do you think

00:27:29.460 the internet

00:27:30.600 and what's happened

00:27:31.600 do you think

00:27:32.100 that is making

00:27:32.920 the world safer

00:27:33.820 because I'm a person

00:27:34.780 cannot be a gangster?

00:27:35.440 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:27:36.600 So tell me

00:27:37.140 so go, go

00:27:37.760 so you

00:27:38.540 you're going to route

00:27:39.780 of the government

00:27:40.320 has more control

00:27:41.040 over the people

00:27:41.580 than you did before.

00:27:41.900 I'm saying the government

00:27:42.640 has every control

00:27:43.520 over the people.

00:27:43.960 Got it.

00:27:44.740 And if they wanted

00:27:45.640 to stop drugs

00:27:46.480 they could stop 0.99

00:27:47.140 f***ing drugs. 0.99

00:27:48.140 They didn't want 1.00

00:27:48.880 all them criminals out there.

00:27:49.880 They could stop

00:27:50.400 the criminals coming out there.

00:27:51.720 They need criminals. 0.96

00:27:52.920 The biggest employer

00:27:54.060 in America

00:27:55.140 is the legal system.

00:27:57.320 The biggest employer

00:27:58.420 for the whole of America

00:27:59.840 is the prison officers

00:28:01.300 the policemen

00:28:01.960 the traffic wardens

00:28:03.020 the solicitors

00:28:03.860 the judges

00:28:04.480 the hostels 0.98

00:28:05.380 the f***ing probation officers. 0.92

00:28:07.660 If everyone started 0.96

00:28:08.540 not parking

00:28:09.600 on a double yellow line

00:28:10.680 do you think

00:28:11.440 that England

00:28:12.140 are going to sack

00:28:12.860 one million traffic wardens?

00:28:14.760 Do you think

00:28:14.980 if they genuinely

00:28:15.740 everyone stopped

00:28:16.380 having crime

00:28:17.100 they've got to sack

00:28:18.180 50 million policemen

00:28:19.840 80,000 prison officers

00:28:21.800 that, you know

00:28:22.780 they don't want that.

00:28:24.060 They have to publicly

00:28:24.820 be seen by that

00:28:25.720 little box in the corner

00:28:26.760 to be doing the right thing.

00:28:28.800 Yeah, the computer

00:28:29.540 or whatever.

00:28:31.140 You understand

00:28:31.540 what I mean?

00:28:32.020 No, of course.

00:28:32.800 Yeah, they can convince

00:28:33.780 England

00:28:34.180 from the television

00:28:35.240 to go over

00:28:36.320 to another country 0.90

00:28:37.380 and blow it up 0.98

00:28:38.380 for weapons 0.99

00:28:39.120 of mass destruction

00:28:40.000 and then go

00:28:40.920 oh, sorry

00:28:41.440 we were wrong. 1.00

00:28:42.160 F*** off. 0.99

00:28:43.460 If they can do that 1.00

00:28:44.240 they can convince

00:28:44.960 you of anything.

00:28:46.420 I've had them

00:28:46.840 say things about me

00:28:47.800 on the telly

00:28:48.280 that I actually

00:28:48.980 went to court

00:28:49.480 with a bent policeman

00:28:50.320 and I went

00:28:51.500 I'm taping him

00:28:52.480 and he was going

00:28:53.040 to know he's paying me.

00:28:54.580 I bugged him

00:28:55.420 so I got not guilty

00:28:56.940 and the copper

00:28:57.580 went to prison.

00:28:58.460 Excuse me

00:28:58.880 can I just hold myself

00:28:59.660 when I'm saying that?

00:29:00.500 I went to court

00:29:01.640 the copper got five years

00:29:03.060 and I got not guilty

00:29:04.460 at the old Bailey.

00:29:05.840 I saw that.

00:29:06.460 Right, right.

00:29:07.240 But they were actually

00:29:07.980 rather than me

00:29:08.700 come out

00:29:09.200 and write another book

00:29:10.560 and everyone loves

00:29:11.580 Dave Courtland

00:29:11.940 they actually started

00:29:12.720 I was an informant.

00:29:14.680 I was.

00:29:16.300 Really?

00:29:16.880 Well if I answer

00:29:18.000 that with one word

00:29:18.860 yeah I've heard

00:29:19.340 I might be an informant

00:29:20.220 but who?

00:29:21.140 You can't go

00:29:21.520 if Courtney's an informant

00:29:22.720 or who did he class up?

00:29:24.220 Well I don't know

00:29:24.580 I just heard he was.

00:29:25.560 It's too big of a word

00:29:26.320 or when did he?

00:29:27.360 Yeah I've heard

00:29:28.280 that said about me

00:29:29.080 had it been believed

00:29:30.480 I'd have been shot.

00:29:32.180 The police create the rumour

00:29:33.520 or do they allow

00:29:35.060 the rumour

00:29:35.500 to come out of

00:29:36.400 Dave Courtland

00:29:37.220 he pays the police.

00:29:38.940 Dave Courtland

00:29:39.280 he's got the police

00:29:39.860 in his hand.

00:29:40.880 Yeah.

00:29:41.920 Dave Courtland

00:29:42.520 went to court

00:29:43.000 dressed as a clown

00:29:44.000 the copper went to prison

00:29:45.620 and Dave got not guilty.

00:29:47.040 Do you think

00:29:47.880 they're going to

00:29:48.260 allow that to happen

00:29:49.160 if they've got

00:29:49.960 control of the press

00:29:50.960 or do you think

00:29:51.720 they won't?

00:29:52.380 I'm asking you.

00:29:53.120 No that makes sense.

00:29:54.040 Are you familiar

00:29:54.600 with the Donnie Brasco story

00:29:55.860 Joe Pistone

00:29:56.440 where the FBI

00:29:57.800 goes to Lefty

00:29:58.840 and they say

00:29:59.420 he is an informant

00:30:01.200 and Lefty

00:30:02.200 doesn't believe it

00:30:02.760 but he ends up

00:30:03.460 being an informant

00:30:04.240 and in this case

00:30:04.880 you're saying

00:30:05.280 you're not.

00:30:06.320 By the way

00:30:06.760 what was your friction

00:30:07.820 with Frankie Frazier

00:30:09.440 what was the friction there?

00:30:10.540 The truth about it

00:30:12.680 always is

00:30:13.220 Frankie Frazier's wife

00:30:14.640 run off with my doorman

00:30:15.600 and he hated my guts

00:30:17.660 ever since.

00:30:19.220 I couldn't prove to him

00:30:20.360 I didn't know about it

00:30:21.400 I didn't know about it

00:30:22.640 I knew f*** all about it

00:30:24.300 but that's what happened

00:30:25.380 and when

00:30:26.200 all that come up

00:30:27.580 and the copper went

00:30:28.320 oh no I'm paying Dave

00:30:30.140 Frankie went

00:30:31.240 yeah I believe him

00:30:32.300 days of grass

00:30:32.880 sort of put an endorsement

00:30:34.240 on it

00:30:34.480 even though the rest

00:30:35.280 of the whole

00:30:35.800 of the underworld

00:30:36.740 like the

00:30:37.220 Ronnie and Reggie Cray

00:30:38.260 said I was alright

00:30:38.960 Ronnie Biggs

00:30:39.660 said I'm alright

00:30:40.180 Charlie Bronson

00:30:41.080 said I'm alright

00:30:41.680 the Richardson

00:30:42.160 Frankie Frazier

00:30:43.600 the only one that didn't say

00:30:44.840 I was alright

00:30:45.180 was him

00:30:45.640 because his wife

00:30:46.480 had run off of my

00:30:47.160 and I didn't like him

00:30:48.620 for that

00:30:48.980 I went round his house

00:30:50.180 and I went to go

00:30:51.040 and batter him 0.63

00:30:51.580 but when I went round

00:30:52.300 there he's 78

00:30:53.160 he's 7 stone

00:30:54.640 I couldn't even hit him

00:30:55.480 he'd break 0.99

00:30:56.100 and I was like f*** 0.97

00:30:57.220 what was that conversation 0.89

00:30:59.260 like when you guys sat

00:31:00.380 there was no conversation 0.99

00:31:01.620 he shitted himself 0.52

00:31:02.280 he opened the door 0.93

00:31:02.760 he had no teeth

00:31:03.500 in a string vest

00:31:04.260 I went I can't even hit you

00:31:05.440 you'll break 1.00

00:31:06.320 you f***ing silly little man 1.00

00:31:07.900 look at you 1.00

00:31:09.000 you know what I mean

00:31:10.380 I didn't want someone

00:31:11.140 to go and shoot him

00:31:11.880 he was just going 0.97

00:31:12.420 yeah I believe the police

00:31:13.500 and then it went to court

00:31:14.760 I was found not guilty

00:31:16.440 said there shouldn't be

00:31:17.820 no room

00:31:18.300 I was found not guilty

00:31:19.120 the policeman went to prison

00:31:20.800 I had the tape on

00:31:22.280 and bugged the copper 0.97

00:31:23.360 what f***ing more proof 0.87

00:31:25.080 do you want 0.99

00:31:25.560 I would have caught dressed as a clown 0.98

00:31:27.400 and battered him 0.98

00:31:28.740 what do you want me to do

00:31:30.320 you understand what I mean

00:31:31.380 but he decided to go

00:31:32.760 no I still believe the copper

00:31:34.180 so it made a little ill feeling

00:31:36.040 but not ill feeling enough

00:31:38.060 for me to do anything

00:31:38.780 he's 80 years old

00:31:39.980 and had he actually

00:31:41.020 because he was a really big myth

00:31:43.220 he'd done 47 years in prison

00:31:45.540 not in one go

00:31:47.500 he got caught 0.94

00:31:48.540 every f***ing thing 0.97

00:31:49.560 he ever done 1.00

00:31:50.000 the silly bastard 1.00

00:31:50.680 everything he ever done 1.00

00:31:51.840 he got caught

00:31:52.660 and now he's done 47 years in prison

00:31:54.800 aren't supposed to look up to him

00:31:56.240 because he's done 47 years in prison 1.00

00:31:57.900 I think he's an arsehole 1.00

00:31:59.020 he's a complete knob 1.00

00:32:00.180 and that little myth about

00:32:01.920 you go to prison

00:32:03.000 and learn a lot of new crimes

00:32:04.360 that's not true

00:32:05.340 that's s***

00:32:06.580 you're only going to meet people 0.98

00:32:08.160 that got f***ing caught 0.81

00:32:09.320 all you're going to learn in there

00:32:10.940 is how not to do it

00:32:12.460 no one in there

00:32:13.580 is going to be no criminal genius 0.96

00:32:15.360 because they're all in f***ing prison 0.94

00:32:17.240 all you're going to learn 0.98

00:32:18.520 all day long

00:32:19.160 is they're going to tell you

00:32:19.940 this is how I got caught

00:32:21.040 that's how I got caught

00:32:22.080 anchor

00:32:23.060 gloves

00:32:23.720 fingerprint

00:32:24.240 GPS

00:32:25.880 they'll all tell you

00:32:26.900 how they got caught

00:32:27.760 so if you then come out of prison

00:32:29.460 and you want to carry on

00:32:30.380 being a criminal

00:32:30.960 if you can remember

00:32:32.320 all the ways that they told you

00:32:33.640 they get caught

00:32:34.300 then you're a better criminal

00:32:35.740 because you've remembered

00:32:37.320 all the ways they got caught

00:32:38.380 but no one in there

00:32:39.180 is going to teach you

00:32:39.940 how to do it properly

00:32:40.780 because they all got caught

00:32:43.080 does that not make sense?

00:32:44.520 I understand what you're saying

00:32:45.700 I mean I understand

00:32:46.940 the point you're making

00:32:47.840 and he said he had 40 hits

00:32:49.560 right in his career

00:32:50.340 he had some number like that

00:32:51.560 is what you read about

00:32:53.300 about him

00:32:54.300 it's not true

00:32:55.720 yeah I mean that's what

00:32:56.880 because I knew all of the people

00:32:58.400 that grew up in his era

00:32:59.500 yeah

00:32:59.800 the pulling the people's teeth 0.98

00:33:01.280 it's all a f*** 0.98

00:33:02.120 it's all not real 0.86

00:33:02.880 it never ever happened

00:33:04.140 that's part of the myth?

00:33:05.060 it's all never happened

00:33:05.860 so let me ask you

00:33:06.460 he came during the era

00:33:07.480 of the Kray Twins

00:33:08.540 yeah

00:33:08.840 the Kray Twins

00:33:09.440 so who were the Kray Twins

00:33:12.500 in London?

00:33:13.320 how were they viewed?

00:33:14.100 they were on East London

00:33:15.840 okay

00:33:16.260 it was a lot easier

00:33:17.300 to be an hard nut then

00:33:18.500 because there weren't a lot of great men around

00:33:20.440 we'd just come out of a war

00:33:21.600 and all of our men had been killed

00:33:23.260 so there weren't a lot of men

00:33:24.460 men around

00:33:25.000 do you understand what I mean?

00:33:26.040 I understand what you're saying

00:33:26.880 it was very poor

00:33:27.820 these two little brothers

00:33:28.980 was in East London

00:33:31.160 it was quite easy to run Bethnal Green

00:33:32.960 in them days

00:33:34.400 because there was only 12,000 people

00:33:36.120 living in East London

00:33:37.120 now there is

00:33:38.340 750,000 people living in London

00:33:41.240 and none of them

00:33:42.900 half of them can't even say the name Kray Twins

00:33:45.100 yeah

00:33:45.640 in them days they all spoke and understood English

00:33:48.040 right?

00:33:48.540 when the Kray Twins were here 1.00

00:33:49.540 they spoke and understood England

00:33:51.680 English

00:33:52.380 everyone was skint

00:33:53.700 there was no muggings and burglaries

00:33:56.100 and you could leave your front door key on a piece of string

00:33:58.660 because who's going to break in your house? 0.98

00:34:00.940 what the f*** have you got in your house? 0.80

00:34:02.760 there was nothing in there to nick 0.99

00:34:04.320 right?

00:34:04.780 it was 1950 0.94

00:34:05.780 there's f*** no one had nothing 0.97

00:34:07.260 you'd break in someone's house 0.97

00:34:08.740 and leave them a fiver 0.98

00:34:10.080 there's f***ing 0.51

00:34:10.640 it'd feel terrible

00:34:11.500 no one had nothing

00:34:12.740 so they run East London

00:34:14.700 there was a little firm called

00:34:17.000 I can't remember

00:34:18.060 I'll tell you in a minute

00:34:18.700 run North London

00:34:19.840 and the Richardsons run South London

00:34:22.280 the Nashys run North London 0.99

00:34:24.220 yeah

00:34:24.500 the Richardsons were the cleverest by far

00:34:26.200 they invested in diamond mines

00:34:28.240 and all that

00:34:28.740 blah blah blah

00:34:29.220 so they were the entrepreneurs

00:34:30.040 they were the entrepreneurs

00:34:30.720 ok

00:34:30.940 but the Kray Twins went for the glamour 0.99

00:34:33.160 they went for the headlines

00:34:34.320 the newspaper things

00:34:36.600 they even borrowed other people's nightclubs

00:34:39.180 to pretend that they were home

00:34:41.000 when they died

00:34:42.080 their mums all still living in the same council

00:34:44.100 that they were born in 0.97

00:34:45.180 one was gay 0.60

00:34:46.860 and didn't mind 0.59

00:34:47.720 saying he was gay

00:34:49.120 and if anyone said he was gay 0.98

00:34:50.340 he would walk into a pub 0.97

00:34:51.240 in front of everyone 0.99

00:34:51.840 and shoot him for it 1.00

00:34:52.780 and the other one was gay 1.00

00:34:54.240 but didn't know how to tell everyone 0.79

00:34:56.120 so he got married

00:34:57.660 didn't sleep with his wife for a year

00:34:59.080 and she killed herself

00:34:59.960 that's the truth of it

00:35:01.240 if I told you anything that weren't right 0.90

00:35:04.020 I'd get shot

00:35:04.960 I'm not talking to you about football 0.98

00:35:06.340 or acting or singing

00:35:07.260 I'm talking to you about

00:35:08.080 a naughty boy's world

00:35:09.320 and if I'm wrong about anything

00:35:10.580 I can't tell you this

00:35:12.020 can I 0.90

00:35:12.440 I'd be too silly to actually 0.87

00:35:14.340 I'm telling you 0.90

00:35:15.020 what I'm telling you is fact

00:35:16.460 and Frankie Fraser was 0.98

00:35:18.480 a little bit of a dickhead 0.99

00:35:20.120 he lived in an old caravan 0.99

00:35:21.500 on the Richardson's

00:35:23.020 bloody

00:35:23.340 one of their breakers yards

00:35:24.600 and they came back

00:35:25.540 with someone one day

00:35:26.480 with a sack over him

00:35:27.520 that they'd give him a clump

00:35:28.860 tied him to a chair

00:35:30.700 got Frankie Fraser

00:35:31.900 when that beat was whacking him

00:35:33.740 he was talking

00:35:34.600 like that

00:35:35.560 so they got Frankie Fraser

00:35:36.760 to take the thing off

00:35:38.340 so the bloke saw Frankie

00:35:40.780 when they let him go

00:35:42.120 and he went to court

00:35:42.740 what he said was

00:35:43.760 I was getting beat up

00:35:45.300 inside the sack

00:35:46.220 the pain was that excruciating

00:35:48.060 that it felt like

00:35:49.800 Frankie Fraser was pulling my teeth out 1.00

00:35:51.740 with pliers

00:35:52.300 full stop

00:35:54.500 when they reported the story

00:35:56.060 in the morning

00:35:56.620 to the public

00:35:57.520 and the jury

00:35:58.100 before the case ended

00:35:59.200 you've got carte blanche

00:36:01.720 as a journalist

00:36:02.260 can't you

00:36:02.640 you can start that conversation

00:36:03.720 wherever you want

00:36:04.740 and as they went

00:36:06.300 he said

00:36:07.000 Frankie Fraser was pulling my teeth 1.00

00:36:09.080 out with pliers

00:36:09.700 stop

00:36:10.740 now it suited the Richardsons

00:36:12.700 to let the rest of the world

00:36:14.260 think that they had a torturer

00:36:15.600 and it suited Frankie Fraser

00:36:17.200 for the rest of the world

00:36:18.140 to think

00:36:18.580 he was connected

00:36:19.560 to the Richardsons

00:36:20.520 because he's only 0.86

00:36:21.320 he's a midget 1.00

00:36:22.100 little skinny 0.99

00:36:22.740 ten stone ring and wet

00:36:24.820 and it suited him

00:36:26.100 to let him think

00:36:27.060 he was criminally collected

00:36:28.500 and it suited them

00:36:29.800 to think

00:36:30.300 that they had a torturer

00:36:32.120 they didn't have to

00:36:32.960 actually hang around with him

00:36:33.960 because he was in prison

00:36:35.000 for 47 years

00:36:37.260 so it just suited everyone

00:36:39.340 and then when he left

00:36:40.620 he come out

00:36:41.600 and he's so deluded 0.63

00:36:42.560 that on the cover of his book

00:36:44.460 he's 78

00:36:45.240 instead of sitting there

00:36:46.400 with the globe in a library

00:36:47.520 and talking about crime like that

00:36:48.860 he actually went

00:36:49.700 thinking he was still a scary

00:36:52.540 force

00:36:53.620 you know like

00:36:54.280 complete and utter 0.99

00:36:55.800 f***ing knob 0.98

00:36:56.680 sorry you can see 0.99

00:36:58.080 I really don't like the guy

00:36:59.180 but I'm not saying anything

00:37:00.920 that he's a liar

00:37:01.880 and if 0.96

00:37:02.880 because I've been saying it

00:37:03.940 about him for 20 years

00:37:05.480 while he was alive

00:37:06.280 had anything

00:37:07.500 that anyone believed

00:37:08.600 about him

00:37:09.220 was true

00:37:10.120 I wouldn't be allowed

00:37:11.220 to say it

00:37:11.900 you know

00:37:12.200 something would have

00:37:13.080 happened to me

00:37:13.760 had it been true

00:37:15.440 what he was saying

00:37:16.880 about himself

00:37:17.380 what myth about the Craig Twins

00:37:19.000 was true

00:37:19.440 were they feared

00:37:20.240 were they

00:37:20.620 they were definitely feared

00:37:21.540 they were a naughty bit of work

00:37:23.220 but they wasn't as well organised

00:37:25.280 or as well feared

00:37:26.420 as was thought possible

00:37:28.100 they were in East London

00:37:29.580 a postcode

00:37:31.360 yeah

00:37:31.700 that postcode

00:37:33.380 you understand what I mean

00:37:34.300 we've got the same little postcode

00:37:35.840 was now

00:37:36.280 yeah but

00:37:36.540 yeah you're saying 700,000 now

00:37:38.260 back then it was 12,000

00:37:39.400 that's a big difference

00:37:40.320 yeah yeah

00:37:40.820 so and who else

00:37:42.320 were they

00:37:42.660 some of your heroes

00:37:43.440 would you

00:37:44.120 also look around

00:37:45.060 like a Gotti

00:37:45.840 or some of those things

00:37:46.580 yeah of course yeah

00:37:47.240 this is what happened

00:37:48.080 because you kind of have

00:37:48.840 a little bit of the

00:37:49.440 I'm going to tell you something

00:37:50.820 I'll tell you something that happened to me

00:37:51.260 right

00:37:51.400 I'll tell you how I grew

00:37:52.160 slipping back

00:37:53.380 we're going back now

00:37:54.260 where I started right

00:37:55.260 after I wrote the book

00:37:56.640 Stop the Road I Want to Get Off

00:37:57.700 and it all come out about me

00:37:58.900 wearing the 0.98

00:37:59.520 me wearing the f***ing 0.96

00:38:00.900 court jambes out 0.97

00:38:01.740 I then get

00:38:03.540 an invite to go to Sicily

00:38:05.800 to do a private audience with

00:38:08.280 for 25 businessmen

00:38:09.680 in their villa

00:38:10.360 with 5 interpreters

00:38:11.960 for 5 grand

00:38:12.960 so me and him go to Sicily

00:38:14.580 yeah

00:38:14.920 and we get there 0.94

00:38:16.360 and it's the f***ing 0.92

00:38:17.460 you know 0.95

00:38:17.680 we only see them on telly

00:38:18.860 yeah the Matthew 0.83

00:38:19.280 we come from f***ing Peckham mate 0.83

00:38:21.520 you know what I mean 0.95

00:38:22.040 yeah we think we're bad

00:38:22.900 we only see that on the telly

00:38:24.480 yeah

00:38:24.660 but these are

00:38:25.500 the bad ones

00:38:26.460 and it was Bonasconi

00:38:27.740 before he was

00:38:29.320 I mean

00:38:30.140 and all these other people

00:38:31.280 I didn't know who they were

00:38:32.980 it was just

00:38:33.560 it was f***ing mental for me

00:38:34.760 and he was talking in 0.96

00:38:36.160 broken English

00:38:38.340 which makes it all sound

00:38:39.460 gangstery to us

00:38:40.360 you understand what I mean

00:38:40.920 Davey

00:38:42.040 you don't talk to me

00:38:43.440 about gangster boy

00:38:44.500 I know 1 million

00:38:45.660 you see he's saying it like

00:38:46.920 I know 1 million bank robbers

00:38:48.260 I know 1 million murderers

00:38:50.380 I don't know any man

00:38:52.180 that's going to court

00:38:52.900 dressed like that 1.00

00:38:53.680 punch the copper in the face 1.00

00:38:55.820 before he was sentenced 1.00

00:38:57.380 I said f*** you 1.00

00:38:58.840 tell me about that day 0.99

00:38:59.780 he said

00:39:00.040 because there is an unwritten rule book

00:39:01.880 about going to court

00:39:03.360 and that goes around

00:39:04.480 in the whole world

00:39:05.520 apart from the Costa Nostra

00:39:07.100 and I'll tell you why

00:39:07.860 when it says

00:39:08.800 first rule

00:39:09.500 do not bring all your friends with you

00:39:11.480 it says

00:39:12.940 wear a nice suit

00:39:13.840 yes sir

00:39:15.080 no sir

00:39:15.520 please and thank you

00:39:16.440 and a letter from someone

00:39:17.640 that's known you 20 years

00:39:18.680 saying you're a nice guy 0.96

00:39:19.500 they're the f***ing rules 0.86

00:39:20.540 of going to court 0.97

00:39:21.380 in whatever country you go to

00:39:22.640 the only people

00:39:23.520 that don't have to abide by them

00:39:24.820 is us

00:39:25.820 because the judge knows

00:39:27.860 it's John Gotti

00:39:28.560 it's not worth him coming in 0.51

00:39:29.840 being all f***ing nice

00:39:31.140 like that

00:39:31.560 because he knows

00:39:33.500 exactly what he is

00:39:34.420 and who he is

00:39:35.060 out there

00:39:35.500 so they come into court

00:39:37.140 gangster

00:39:37.700 they come into court 0.99

00:39:39.120 like lumps in their pocket 0.97

00:39:40.620 and f***ing knows what else 0.87

00:39:41.560 and he went 0.75

00:39:42.200 the only person I've ever seen

00:39:43.320 do that

00:39:43.800 is you mate

00:39:45.060 he went

00:39:46.060 so you tell me

00:39:46.780 tell me what made you

00:39:48.120 go to court

00:39:49.360 like that

00:39:49.760 with all your friends

00:39:50.660 walking

00:39:51.240 bashed a copper 0.59

00:39:51.960 dressed as a clown 0.74

00:39:52.680 tell me that day 0.96

00:39:53.700 I'll give you your money 1.00

00:39:54.520 and f*** off 1.00

00:39:55.140 yeah 0.99

00:39:55.500 so I've told him that day

00:39:57.340 anyway

00:39:59.300 I must have done alright

00:40:00.580 because when I come home

00:40:01.600 he's now

00:40:02.280 ended up being

00:40:03.120 the prime minister

00:40:04.140 and the Italian bookshelf

00:40:06.600 for true crime

00:40:08.180 is the smallest bookshelf

00:40:10.180 in the world

00:40:10.940 in any other country

00:40:12.620 interesting

00:40:13.420 right

00:40:13.900 because they've got 0.97

00:40:14.760 the f***ing mafia 0.98

00:40:15.740 there 0.99

00:40:16.380 they're not interested

00:40:17.180 in Craig Twin

00:40:18.020 the great train rubber

00:40:19.400 the Yidi thing 1.00

00:40:20.240 yeah

00:40:20.480 they've got the mafia

00:40:21.420 in the corner of Rome

00:40:23.520 bookshop

00:40:24.480 so they haven't got

00:40:25.460 all the other different

00:40:26.260 nationality ones

00:40:27.940 like we have

00:40:28.620 well I ended up

00:40:29.400 getting my book in there

00:40:30.360 which I thought

00:40:30.820 was f***ing really great

00:40:31.760 only because

00:40:32.760 Moscone had then

00:40:33.940 gone on

00:40:34.260 he's got his publishers

00:40:35.480 your book made it there

00:40:36.860 yeah yeah

00:40:37.220 I've got it in Italian

00:40:38.220 I've got it in Italian

00:40:38.960 so

00:40:39.840 then

00:40:40.840 the Gambinos

00:40:42.160 what happened after that

00:40:43.520 they're all doing

00:40:44.080 their little bit of talking

00:40:44.800 then

00:40:45.240 Jay-Z put Mark Pitcher

00:40:46.800 on the cover of his album

00:40:47.760 on Blueprint

00:40:48.620 I spoke to the Oxford Union

00:40:50.100 and they wrote a book about it

00:40:51.740 and he thought

00:40:52.320 that was really f***ing funny 0.96

00:40:53.420 a convicted felon 0.95

00:40:54.440 teaching future parliament

00:40:56.000 how to behave

00:40:56.740 Dave Courtney's talking

00:40:58.200 to the Oxford Union 0.96

00:40:59.140 on how to f***ing behave 0.94

00:41:00.700 that is funny 0.95

00:41:01.520 educatedly funny

00:41:02.980 so he put

00:41:03.520 my photo of the Oxford Union

00:41:05.980 with his head on it

00:41:07.020 and called it Blueprint

00:41:08.260 so I'm sitting there

00:41:09.200 talking to the

00:41:09.840 future parliament

00:41:11.080 and he's put his head on it

00:41:12.120 so

00:41:13.000 that's happened

00:41:13.740 so all that's being talked about

00:41:15.180 there's a book out about it

00:41:16.340 and the Gambinos 0.82

00:41:17.200 their family

00:41:18.220 I don't know who they were

00:41:19.440 how high up they were

00:41:20.500 but when they come over here

00:41:22.280 they can have a six week vacation

00:41:23.680 they travel to Europe

00:41:24.460 didn't they

00:41:24.920 so they're all going around

00:41:26.200 Europe

00:41:26.620 and they've got in touch

00:41:28.200 with Freddie Foreman

00:41:28.960 who is a superior

00:41:30.480 in the crime world

00:41:32.260 to me

00:41:32.740 and said

00:41:33.720 we want to go to the

00:41:34.460 Ministry of Sound

00:41:35.120 well that was my doorman

00:41:36.300 so he goes

00:41:36.980 Dave

00:41:37.300 listen I've got some

00:41:38.080 young American kids

00:41:39.740 over here

00:41:40.120 they don't want to go

00:41:41.220 to the Ministry of Sound

00:41:41.940 he said 0.92

00:41:42.260 I'm too f***ing old 0.98

00:41:43.340 for all that bollocks 0.98

00:41:44.020 would you look after them

00:41:45.460 for me

00:41:45.920 of course they will

00:41:48.300 Fred

00:41:48.480 no problem

00:41:49.000 tell them to come

00:41:49.760 around my house 0.99

00:41:50.320 so these young f***ing kids 0.99

00:41:51.900 come around my house 0.99

00:41:52.720 they weren't lumps

00:41:55.560 but they weren't their dad

00:41:57.740 and they were too old

00:41:58.340 to be their friends

00:41:59.020 you know

00:41:59.580 they've had a wicked time

00:42:02.420 at my house

00:42:02.900 I'm having to laugh

00:42:03.720 and they're joking

00:42:04.340 they had a little bath

00:42:05.120 and they couldn't show him

00:42:06.120 oh well

00:42:06.980 they've gone to the Ministry of Sound 0.91

00:42:08.120 they've had a f***ing wicked night 0.72

00:42:09.440 didn't want to go back 0.95

00:42:10.400 to the hotel

00:42:10.880 stayed the night at my house

00:42:11.920 I've got a big old house

00:42:12.720 had a f***ing great time

00:42:14.040 by the time they go back

00:42:15.280 to whatever mum and dad

00:42:18.240 they got there

00:42:18.920 they're going

00:42:19.760 Dave Dave Dave Dave Dave Dave Dave

00:42:21.360 Dave Dave Dave's doing alright

00:42:23.220 out there in America

00:42:24.020 at the moment anyway

00:42:24.840 with all the other little things 0.96

00:42:25.940 the f***ing Jay-Z 0.97

00:42:27.460 and Rancid 0.98

00:42:28.300 I don't know if you've heard

00:42:28.920 of the band Rancid

00:42:29.900 one of their tracks

00:42:31.800 on their album

00:42:32.340 so I've got the 0.99

00:42:33.020 naughtiest white guys 0.98

00:42:34.900 singing about Dave Courtney 0.98

00:42:36.140 in America 0.99

00:42:36.620 I've got the naughtiest black guys 1.00

00:42:38.120 singing about Dave Courtney 0.99

00:42:38.920 in America

00:42:39.400 I've got the Gambino's kids 0.99

00:42:41.060 all going 0.96

00:42:41.460 he's f***ing lovely 0.96

00:42:42.260 I've got the f***ing 0.98

00:42:43.060 the mafia bloke 0.98

00:42:44.200 who ended up being

00:42:44.880 the Prime Minister of Italy

00:42:45.940 going

00:42:46.300 good book 0.91

00:42:47.060 good f***ing book 0.73

00:42:47.960 right 0.96

00:42:48.520 so now we're all

00:42:49.480 going over to America 0.97

00:42:50.440 right

00:42:51.100 now we're going over there

00:42:51.900 to do some

00:42:52.500 what was he going over there for

00:42:53.900 the Virgin

00:42:54.740 oh for the Virgin

00:42:55.800 for the book thing

00:42:56.580 and they ended up

00:42:57.860 not selling it in America 0.93

00:42:59.240 because I had a f***ing picture 0.93

00:43:00.620 of me smoking a cigar 0.95

00:43:01.460 on the cover

00:43:02.120 and because the cigar

00:43:03.820 was on the cover

00:43:04.620 and they were not

00:43:05.620 comfortable with that

00:43:06.260 yeah yeah

00:43:06.960 promoting smoking

00:43:07.980 I was like 0.98

00:43:08.440 f***ing hell man 0.97

00:43:09.980 anyway 0.97

00:43:10.480 by the time we get us

00:43:11.320 over there

00:43:11.760 the Gambino people

00:43:13.240 had heard I was coming

00:43:14.180 he's my pal 1.00

00:43:15.060 but he's a coward 0.98

00:43:15.640 he's brave in other things 1.00

00:43:17.600 but he's a coward 0.99

00:43:18.980 I live with him 0.99

00:43:21.020 he's beautiful

00:43:21.700 but the fighting thing

00:43:23.020 and the gangster thing

00:43:23.780 really aren't his

00:43:24.580 I'll tell you right 0.86

00:43:25.520 and so he gets to the f***ing airport 0.75

00:43:27.540 and these two blokes

00:43:29.600 come over to us

00:43:30.280 and I'm with a few of us

00:43:31.140 right now

00:43:31.560 and he goes

00:43:32.280 Mr. Courtney

00:43:32.940 I'm going to have to separate you

00:43:35.180 from your company

00:43:35.960 at the moment

00:43:36.540 but there's some very important people

00:43:38.300 that need to say hello to you

00:43:39.540 he won't take a long time

00:43:41.060 so I'm ready to start

00:43:43.040 screaming 0.51

00:43:44.020 so they couldn't take me away

00:43:46.000 help me

00:43:46.860 help me

00:43:47.820 so I couldn't get killed

00:43:49.400 you know what I mean

00:43:50.180 he's going

00:43:51.080 that's alright mate

00:43:51.820 yeah off you go

00:43:52.380 take him

00:43:52.820 sweet see you later Dave

00:43:55.040 you know

00:43:55.900 that's what he's doing to me

00:43:57.100 but it's this Gambino

00:43:59.280 and they're taking me around to me

00:44:00.700 all these people

00:44:01.320 I've never met before

00:44:02.320 old men 0.95

00:44:03.180 smelling a little bit

00:44:04.060 like tomatoes

00:44:04.700 all going

00:44:05.140 looking at old

00:44:05.880 black and white pictures

00:44:06.640 I didn't know anyone

00:44:07.920 but I looked after the kids

00:44:09.480 and blah blah blah

00:44:10.460 and all things like that

00:44:11.660 yeah the grandkids

00:44:12.540 and all that

00:44:13.060 drops him back to the hotel

00:44:14.120 they're all coming out of the hotel

00:44:15.140 they're going now to Jay-Z's club

00:44:16.940 so we're going to the Jay-Z's club

00:44:18.380 we don't know what it is

00:44:18.940 so the driver who's coming in the car goes

00:44:20.680 I'll take you there

00:44:21.760 he went

00:44:21.980 I don't know where it is

00:44:22.600 I'll take you

00:44:23.200 so he takes us now to Jay-Z's club

00:44:25.800 I'm going to him

00:44:27.240 I'm going to him

00:44:29.380 I'm being honest

00:44:30.420 I'm buzzing on it

00:44:31.900 right

00:44:32.120 I'm not saying

00:44:32.940 I'm not in

00:44:34.380 I'm not the best shot

00:44:35.340 I'm not the best one

00:44:35.900 I'm not

00:44:36.660 I'm not

00:44:36.920 scary phone book

00:44:38.280 that's my game

00:44:38.900 and I'll make you laugh

00:44:40.060 so he then goes

00:44:41.900 I'll take you

00:44:42.480 so he gets us to this 0.99

00:44:43.740 f***ing club 0.95

00:44:44.400 there's a big load of queue 0.99

00:44:45.740 going up this side

00:44:46.580 and a big queue

00:44:47.940 going up that side

00:44:48.700 and these doormen 0.60

00:44:49.940 English people

00:44:50.980 don't come that big

00:44:52.040 I don't know where

00:44:53.500 you Americans

00:44:54.560 get 0.90

00:44:55.420 black men 0.97

00:44:56.880 that big 1.00

00:44:57.980 I don't know how the f*** 0.88

00:44:59.020 that happens 0.91

00:44:59.520 they must really hurt

00:45:00.780 their mum coming out

00:45:01.720 they must really hurt

00:45:02.560 their mum

00:45:02.920 because it's like 1.00

00:45:03.920 f*** me man 0.99

00:45:05.560 how the f*** 1.00

00:45:06.380 is that 0.98

00:45:06.780 for real

00:45:07.680 you know

00:45:08.720 I can't imagine that

00:45:09.740 this is in New York

00:45:10.880 in New York

00:45:11.540 yeah yeah yeah

00:45:12.300 it's just f***ing crazy

00:45:13.580 anyway

00:45:14.460 so then

00:45:15.200 he pulls up

00:45:16.740 he goes

00:45:16.960 wait a minute

00:45:17.420 and he just runs up

00:45:18.600 the stairs

00:45:19.100 talks to the adornment

00:45:20.060 and they went

00:45:21.080 come up

00:45:21.800 so when we come up

00:45:22.700 they just let me

00:45:23.380 let me straight in

00:45:24.160 and I was going to go

00:45:24.760 and hang me coat up

00:45:25.520 so where can I put me coat up

00:45:26.960 he said I'll just give it

00:45:27.560 that man over there

00:45:28.120 and as I'm walking up

00:45:29.060 to him to give him

00:45:29.580 my coat

00:45:29.820 he's back turned

00:45:30.580 and he's talking

00:45:31.300 and he goes 0.99

00:45:31.780 I don't know who the f*** 0.99

00:45:33.200 they are man 0.99

00:45:33.800 I don't know who the

00:45:34.600 he goes

00:45:35.060 but if he's got the campinos

00:45:36.220 dropping him off here

00:45:37.080 as a cab 0.68

00:45:37.540 I'm f***ing being nice 0.53

00:45:38.660 to the guy

00:45:39.140 and I'm like

00:45:40.980 oh wow

00:45:42.120 well

00:45:43.180 and it just sort of grew

00:45:44.740 from something

00:45:45.920 that was like a trick

00:45:46.800 not a trick

00:45:47.360 you know what I mean

00:45:47.860 like all of that happened

00:45:49.000 in a

00:45:49.440 I couldn't have planned it

00:45:50.780 I couldn't have planned

00:45:51.400 all of that

00:45:51.920 going to Sicily

00:45:53.520 doing the

00:45:54.240 get my book out

00:45:55.640 over there

00:45:56.340 Jay-Z put me on the cover

00:45:57.600 of his thing

00:45:58.240 Gambino's technique

00:45:59.720 I couldn't have planned

00:46:00.580 all that

00:46:00.960 you know what I mean

00:46:01.420 you couldn't

00:46:01.880 but it ended up like that

00:46:03.140 that's amazing

00:46:03.820 that's amazing

00:46:05.020 when you read about

00:46:06.220 the Kray Twins

00:46:06.860 it goes back to how

00:46:08.320 Sinatra used to come here

00:46:10.120 and he used to ask them

00:46:11.080 to hire their security

00:46:12.520 that's right

00:46:13.180 Judy Garland used to come

00:46:14.680 and do things with them

00:46:15.520 they were publicity 0.99

00:46:17.060 they were prostitutes 1.00

00:46:18.300 for publicity 1.00

00:46:18.920 oh they were prostitutes 1.00

00:46:21.400 for publicity 0.97

00:46:21.920 for publicity

00:46:22.500 both of them

00:46:23.540 yeah 0.99

00:46:24.100 they were prostitutes 1.00

00:46:25.100 for publicity 0.98

00:46:25.800 that's right

00:46:26.220 yeah they courted

00:46:28.040 the press

00:46:28.560 massively

00:46:29.380 you understand

00:46:29.960 what I mean

00:46:30.380 and that's what

00:46:32.200 actually eventually

00:46:32.940 got them caught

00:46:33.620 you understand

00:46:34.000 what I mean

00:46:34.300 they run away

00:46:36.320 and believed it all

00:46:37.160 they actually run away

00:46:37.880 and believed

00:46:38.500 their own hype

00:46:39.800 yeah

00:46:40.680 in reality

00:46:41.460 when they died

00:46:42.660 between them all

00:46:43.800 they never had

00:46:44.500 £50,000

00:46:45.260 it wasn't

00:46:46.700 yeah

00:46:46.900 they never had

00:46:47.460 £50,000

00:46:48.020 and

00:46:48.220 they didn't own a house

00:46:50.300 their mum lived

00:46:51.100 in the same way

00:46:51.640 how does that happen

00:46:52.860 though

00:46:53.060 I mean

00:46:53.320 well they just

00:46:54.020 didn't want money

00:46:54.880 they wanted fame

00:46:55.980 more than they did money

00:46:57.360 yeah yeah yeah

00:46:57.940 that's right

00:46:58.360 and the Richardsons

00:46:59.560 wanted the money

00:47:00.160 they had the money

00:47:00.760 and the power

00:47:01.440 that's right

00:47:01.900 yeah

00:47:02.160 and what the

00:47:03.860 police and the press

00:47:05.500 done

00:47:05.820 is

00:47:06.600 they made them

00:47:07.660 to fight each other

00:47:09.780 you know

00:47:10.040 they caused the conflict

00:47:12.000 so that once you two

00:47:13.740 are fighting

00:47:14.120 it's easier for the police

00:47:15.140 to come along afterwards

00:47:15.900 you know what I mean

00:47:16.580 west side

00:47:17.740 east side

00:47:18.100 they can cause

00:47:19.700 conflict

00:47:20.660 and that actually

00:47:21.400 gets them caught

00:47:22.720 you know

00:47:23.680 and Richardsons

00:47:24.540 didn't want the conflict

00:47:25.460 but they made all that happen

00:47:26.820 I actually instigated

00:47:28.420 the very first time

00:47:29.960 the Richardsons met Croes

00:47:31.800 after 30 years

00:47:32.860 I took Charlie Richardson

00:47:34.320 who got out of prison

00:47:35.360 to go and visit

00:47:36.380 Reggie Crowe

00:47:37.120 who was in prison

00:47:37.680 they'd both been inside

00:47:38.540 30 years

00:47:39.180 and Frankie Fraser

00:47:40.620 and Charlie Richardson

00:47:42.160 I set the whole thing up

00:47:43.120 yeah

00:47:43.360 how was that meeting?

00:47:44.880 yeah mad

00:47:45.460 yeah mad

00:47:45.940 it was like

00:47:46.360 well you can see

00:47:47.280 I like talking

00:47:48.140 but that was just

00:47:49.160 you down

00:47:49.920 it was like electric

00:47:50.920 and they just went

00:47:51.540 into this prison

00:47:52.200 and no one said 0.94

00:47:52.780 f*** all 0.89

00:47:53.460 they just pushed 0.99

00:47:54.340 the tables up together

00:47:55.860 no one said nothing

00:47:57.300 and they all sat around it

00:47:58.820 and they was holding

00:47:59.420 each other's hands

00:48:00.060 like wow

00:48:00.880 and this and I'm

00:48:01.380 wow funny

00:48:01.840 really?

00:48:03.500 yeah yeah

00:48:03.960 really?

00:48:04.360 beautiful

00:48:04.700 and then he

00:48:05.120 wow

00:48:06.140 like 11

00:48:07.100 you saw a certain

00:48:08.040 level of respect

00:48:09.040 and unity?

00:48:09.580 yeah yeah yeah

00:48:10.580 last time they saw

00:48:13.120 each other

00:48:13.460 they were

00:48:13.660 you know

00:48:14.880 yeah it's beautiful

00:48:16.460 beautiful

00:48:17.960 when did it kind of

00:48:19.760 not necessarily

00:48:20.580 disappear

00:48:21.040 when did it kind of

00:48:22.120 all settle down a bit

00:48:23.880 here?

00:48:24.480 it all settled down a bit

00:48:25.560 here

00:48:25.860 as soon as they all

00:48:27.060 went to prison

00:48:27.480 they all got 30 years

00:48:28.680 they all got 30 years

00:48:29.880 they got 30 years

00:48:30.500 and their whole firm

00:48:31.560 got 30

00:48:33.120 10, 20 and odd years

00:48:34.860 what is not

00:48:37.060 a good advert

00:48:37.840 for British crime

00:48:38.640 is on the day

00:48:39.720 they were sentenced

00:48:40.340 their solicitor

00:48:41.180 who was my solicitor

00:48:42.060 and my barrister

00:48:43.160 said to them

00:48:44.060 the evidence against you

00:48:45.380 is so strong

00:48:47.300 that it is impossible

00:48:48.840 to get not guilty

00:48:50.080 right?

00:48:51.840 so the deal

00:48:52.780 I've got for you

00:48:53.460 is

00:48:53.720 if you want to go guilty

00:48:55.120 I can let the rest

00:48:57.120 of your whole firm

00:48:57.980 out

00:48:59.060 if you go not guilty

00:49:00.220 you are all

00:49:01.400 going to get

00:49:02.020 20 years

00:49:02.820 and you two

00:49:03.340 are going to get

00:49:03.680 30 years

00:49:04.360 but if you want to

00:49:05.460 go guilty now

00:49:06.320 your whole firm

00:49:07.600 can walk

00:49:08.160 and you have to

00:49:09.300 get found guilty

00:49:10.240 there was too much

00:49:11.320 against you

00:49:11.720 you walked into the pub 0.99

00:49:12.760 and shot him

00:49:13.640 you ain't going to 0.99

00:49:14.400 get away with that

00:49:15.180 yeah everyone's saying

00:49:16.620 they said you know

00:49:17.280 and they went

00:49:17.960 no no

00:49:19.120 we want our firm

00:49:19.820 in with us

00:49:20.500 we want our firm

00:49:22.440 in prison with us

00:49:23.460 and chose to

00:49:25.380 bring them in prison

00:49:26.240 with them

00:49:26.600 when they could have

00:49:27.160 let them go

00:49:27.780 that makes me want to

00:49:29.080 vomit and be embarrassed 0.99

00:49:30.140 to be an English criminal 0.99

00:49:31.120 that is not leading

00:49:31.900 material is it

00:49:32.660 they could have said

00:49:34.160 guilty

00:49:34.540 and let their whole firm

00:49:35.960 go home

00:49:36.540 but they went

00:49:37.260 not guilty

00:49:37.760 and took their whole firm

00:49:38.680 to prison with them

00:49:39.540 why did they do that

00:49:40.860 to still have power in

00:49:42.300 well because they were

00:49:43.360 too frightened to go

00:49:44.160 to prison on their own

00:49:45.220 outside the prison

00:49:47.380 they had an army

00:49:48.320 around them

00:49:48.820 inside prison

00:49:49.520 they were going to be

00:49:50.100 segregated on their own

00:49:51.340 so they took their army

00:49:52.660 in with them

00:49:53.420 and then after being

00:49:54.740 in prison

00:49:55.300 for just 24 0.89

00:49:57.240 f***ing months 0.54

00:49:58.380 Reggie wrote a book 0.95

00:49:59.860 admitting it all anyway

00:50:01.140 Genesis when he became

00:50:02.260 no no no

00:50:02.460 he became Christian

00:50:03.860 that's all not real

00:50:05.420 but he

00:50:07.200 that was just

00:50:08.540 part of the course

00:50:09.440 there was nothing else

00:50:10.120 to do

00:50:10.520 he became openly gay

00:50:12.100 in prison

00:50:12.640 and all that

00:50:13.680 and the Christian bit

00:50:14.900 was to hopefully

00:50:16.040 give him a little bit

00:50:16.940 of leeway

00:50:17.340 that they might let him out

00:50:18.300 it's the only thing

00:50:18.880 he had left to do

00:50:19.620 to say I'm a nice bloke

00:50:20.800 now

00:50:21.080 you understand

00:50:21.500 what I mean

00:50:21.780 it was John Christian

00:50:22.520 but his whole firm

00:50:24.620 which I knew well

00:50:26.080 which were all good

00:50:27.100 friends of mine

00:50:27.800 were gobsmacked

00:50:29.080 they've just got 20 years

00:50:30.720 he's got 10 years

00:50:31.700 right

00:50:32.300 they know that he'd been

00:50:33.300 offered the deal

00:50:34.000 to go

00:50:34.600 go guilty

00:50:35.640 and we'll let your firm off

00:50:38.240 none of the firm

00:50:39.200 can really say to him

00:50:40.100 go guilty

00:50:40.840 go guilty

00:50:41.400 go guilty

00:50:41.920 because every man's

00:50:43.140 got the right to try

00:50:43.860 and win a court case

00:50:44.700 but they was thinking 0.90

00:50:45.960 f***ing hell 0.92

00:50:46.700 so they lived with it 0.98

00:50:48.280 even though he didn't

00:50:49.100 go guilty

00:50:49.400 they all went to prison

00:50:50.340 and then I think it was

00:50:52.220 24 or 36 months

00:50:54.420 after that

00:50:55.600 he wrote a book

00:50:56.620 admitting it anyway

00:50:57.560 so they all went 0.98

00:50:58.340 why the f*** 0.98

00:50:59.300 didn't you 0.97

00:50:59.660 why didn't you admit it

00:51:02.640 did he drop everyone's names

00:51:03.860 in the book

00:51:04.260 yeah

00:51:04.440 yeah of course

00:51:05.300 got it

00:51:05.800 why didn't you admit it

00:51:07.040 yeah

00:51:07.340 that you did it

00:51:08.440 then

00:51:09.160 and then none of us

00:51:09.900 would have had to go to prison

00:51:11.040 did the people

00:51:12.180 turn against them

00:51:13.000 or no

00:51:13.440 no

00:51:14.080 because they're now

00:51:14.780 they're now

00:51:15.340 locked up

00:51:16.580 and they were turned

00:51:17.280 into mythical characters

00:51:18.720 all of a sudden

00:51:19.580 the west end

00:51:20.180 the east end

00:51:20.900 started getting filled up

00:51:21.940 with Indians

00:51:23.140 Pakistanis 0.80

00:51:24.300 Polish

00:51:24.900 Russians

00:51:25.560 Jamaicans 0.92

00:51:26.680 Irish

00:51:27.140 and they lost

00:51:28.140 their English culture

00:51:29.960 and they

00:51:30.380 got all wrapped up

00:51:31.620 in a ramet

00:51:32.240 so we think

00:51:32.700 it was all because

00:51:33.460 the Kray twins went away 1.00

00:51:34.660 let me ask you this

00:51:35.660 let me ask

00:51:36.040 you know how

00:51:36.540 military has a code

00:51:38.500 you know

00:51:38.880 the Italian mafia

00:51:39.620 has a code

00:51:40.140 the La Cosa Nostra

00:51:40.880 has a code

00:51:41.520 what was the code

00:51:43.860 that

00:51:44.860 was there a code

00:51:45.880 you guys lived by

00:51:46.860 yes

00:51:47.440 what was the code

00:51:48.200 I'm going to tell you

00:51:48.780 exactly what it is

00:51:49.320 I'll tell you why

00:51:51.200 it's not here at all

00:51:51.860 England had just

00:51:52.880 come out of a war

00:51:53.680 and a spy

00:51:54.600 or a grass

00:51:55.760 was the worst

00:51:56.980 thing in the world

00:51:58.020 one spy is more

00:51:58.980 dangerous

00:51:59.460 than a thousand men

00:52:00.760 walls have ears

00:52:02.120 and all of that

00:52:04.280 so if you was a policeman

00:52:05.340 at the time

00:52:05.800 and you caught a criminal

00:52:06.680 and you become a snitch

00:52:09.240 you would get 0.99

00:52:09.780 cut to f***ing ribbons 1.00

00:52:10.980 you'd get killed 1.00

00:52:11.520 for being a snitch 0.99

00:52:12.080 but if you was a policeman

00:52:13.360 at the time

00:52:13.800 your job was hard

00:52:15.060 because no one

00:52:15.780 grassed anybody up

00:52:16.800 England was known

00:52:17.860 as the bulldog nation 0.51

00:52:19.380 you could pull

00:52:20.760 our fingernails out 0.60

00:52:21.560 and we wouldn't

00:52:21.940 tell anyone

00:52:22.520 we wouldn't tell

00:52:23.960 the secrets

00:52:24.580 that was what

00:52:25.340 England was about 0.97

00:52:26.220 and then

00:52:27.740 they realised

00:52:28.620 that the war years

00:52:30.040 had made a nation

00:52:31.300 of non-informants

00:52:33.820 so they spent

00:52:34.740 the next 60

00:52:35.540 and 50 years

00:52:36.540 convincing you

00:52:38.160 that informing

00:52:39.140 was good

00:52:39.720 on every single 0.96

00:52:41.040 f***ing television 0.98

00:52:41.900 station 0.98

00:52:42.340 now on every single

00:52:43.380 channel

00:52:44.140 on prime time

00:52:45.140 television

00:52:45.560 if you would have

00:52:46.020 said this to me

00:52:46.700 25 years ago

00:52:47.780 I'd have called you 0.98

00:52:48.260 a liar 0.98

00:52:48.680 there was your 0.92

00:52:49.320 programme going

00:52:50.040 and if you see

00:52:50.800 this guy

00:52:51.260 just ring us up

00:52:52.300 and we'll give you

00:52:52.860 some money

00:52:53.300 and if there's

00:52:54.200 another two

00:52:54.660 oh we've got

00:52:55.300 one phone call

00:52:55.980 already

00:52:56.420 and if you see

00:52:57.380 this phone

00:52:57.900 if you see

00:52:58.380 these

00:52:58.820 yeah

00:52:59.300 and then there's

00:53:00.020 a thing in

00:53:00.420 every newspaper

00:53:01.000 if you know

00:53:01.580 someone that's

00:53:02.160 working while

00:53:02.780 claiming social

00:53:03.500 if you know

00:53:04.100 anyone sending

00:53:04.640 drugs

00:53:05.020 if you know

00:53:05.480 anyone sending

00:53:06.040 arms

00:53:06.420 if you know

00:53:07.040 anyone that's

00:53:07.540 drink driving

00:53:08.160 like they've made

00:53:09.080 grassing

00:53:09.800 acceptable and good

00:53:10.960 and now if you

00:53:11.680 get caught for

00:53:12.260 being an informant

00:53:13.360 you don't get

00:53:14.220 beat up in prison

00:53:14.900 you go in the

00:53:15.440 informant's wing

00:53:16.120 where the other

00:53:16.600 20,000 of you are

00:53:18.080 so it ain't such

00:53:19.320 a bad thing no more

00:53:20.260 so they have now

00:53:20.860 drummed it home to

00:53:21.880 England

00:53:22.540 that informing

00:53:23.620 is good

00:53:24.360 and then some

00:53:25.140 bright spark

00:53:25.840 has now gone

00:53:26.640 if your mum and dad 0.97

00:53:28.360 smack your bottom 0.85

00:53:29.200 they ban the cane

00:53:30.360 they ban the cane

00:53:31.680 which meant

00:53:32.260 if you're a boy

00:53:33.120 getting six wax 1.00

00:53:34.720 across the arse 0.99

00:53:35.320 with a bit of wood 0.99

00:53:35.860 at the end of the day

00:53:36.520 stops you being naughty

00:53:37.640 yeah

00:53:38.480 getting a detention

00:53:39.260 or told off

00:53:39.940 or something

00:53:40.320 getting someone 0.55

00:53:41.700 to smack you 0.98

00:53:42.260 across the bum 0.99

00:53:42.760 with a bit of wood

00:53:43.320 at the end of the day

00:53:44.240 put manners on you

00:53:45.220 yeah

00:53:45.460 right

00:53:46.220 they ban that

00:53:47.080 and now someone's

00:53:48.300 just banned it

00:53:49.000 that you cannot

00:53:49.640 smack your own kids 0.79

00:53:50.960 if you smack your mum 0.99

00:53:52.620 if your mum smacks you

00:53:53.940 you can tell us 0.61

00:53:55.600 and we will put her 0.50

00:53:56.240 in prison

00:53:56.580 they teach the children

00:53:57.780 559-33214

00:54:00.160 they teach them

00:54:01.000 the telephone number

00:54:01.920 to ring

00:54:02.660 if your own mum

00:54:03.660 and dad

00:54:04.140 discipline you

00:54:05.360 now that is the

00:54:06.160 Hitler youth

00:54:07.280 cross your mum

00:54:08.160 and dad up 0.69

00:54:08.820 if they smack you

00:54:09.860 so you've got

00:54:10.280 no discipline

00:54:11.180 at school

00:54:11.740 and you've now

00:54:12.740 got no discipline

00:54:13.620 at home

00:54:13.960 your own mum

00:54:14.500 can't give you 0.99

00:54:14.920 a smack on the bum 0.97

00:54:15.600 alright 0.87

00:54:16.280 so what chance

00:54:17.360 has the kid got

00:54:18.000 when he gets to

00:54:18.580 16, 17

00:54:19.300 and leaves home

00:54:20.560 to go out in the

00:54:21.040 big wild world

00:54:21.540 he don't know

00:54:22.240 discipline

00:54:22.880 and they say

00:54:23.600 what are we going to

00:54:24.100 do about the youth

00:54:24.720 for today

00:54:25.160 you've lost that war

00:54:26.560 it's gone

00:54:27.140 because of that

00:54:28.400 and they now teach

00:54:29.480 children to go and

00:54:30.740 grass on your mum

00:54:31.580 and dad if you get

00:54:32.180 a smack bump 0.95

00:54:32.800 well somewhere along

00:54:34.000 the line

00:54:34.380 that has got to come

00:54:35.140 back and bite you

00:54:36.100 teaching your country 0.99

00:54:37.280 to be informants

00:54:38.240 and putting it on

00:54:39.100 telly

00:54:39.560 and having all of that

00:54:40.580 and teaching your kids

00:54:41.380 to grass on your mum

00:54:42.160 and dad

00:54:42.420 somewhere down the line

00:54:43.800 that has got to come

00:54:44.660 back and bite you

00:54:45.440 because that don't make 1.00

00:54:46.140 a proper f***ing man 0.97

00:54:47.280 yeah 0.96

00:54:47.640 we've done well today

00:54:48.540 haven't we

00:54:48.920 code

00:54:49.720 what's the code

00:54:50.660 the code is

00:54:51.740 all the army things

00:54:53.040 right

00:54:53.760 the whole country

00:54:54.840 was army orientated

00:54:56.380 don't tell tells

00:54:58.160 nice short haircuts

00:54:59.740 love your mum

00:55:00.900 shiny shoes

00:55:02.140 nice

00:55:02.480 it was army

00:55:03.560 the whole country

00:55:04.640 was army fired

00:55:05.800 the whole youth

00:55:07.080 of the whole

00:55:07.680 when they left the army

00:55:08.800 was the gangster's code

00:55:11.200 yeah exactly the same

00:55:12.720 you look after your mum

00:55:14.320 you nice and tidy

00:55:15.340 nice and smart

00:55:16.120 you do not tell tells

00:55:17.820 you never leave

00:55:18.860 one man behind you

00:55:20.060 all the army things

00:55:21.360 come straight out

00:55:22.120 onto road

00:55:22.840 that's the code

00:55:24.340 right

00:55:25.200 and what they have done

00:55:25.960 now in today's world

00:55:27.160 is they broke all that up

00:55:28.500 and made that not right

00:55:29.760 when it is right

00:55:30.720 they still teach you

00:55:32.000 that in the army

00:55:32.540 but when everyone

00:55:33.720 the war finished

00:55:34.640 we're talking about

00:55:35.280 the 50s

00:55:36.600 that discipline

00:55:37.340 was still on road

00:55:39.640 everyone left the army

00:55:40.800 and was still doing

00:55:41.600 bank robberies

00:55:42.240 with like 10 or 15 people

00:55:44.140 in it

00:55:44.400 they were like army manoeuvres

00:55:45.760 now you only rob a bank

00:55:47.060 with one or two

00:55:47.780 but they were

00:55:48.700 you know it was all army

00:55:50.400 fired

00:55:50.740 and the code was

00:55:51.880 you do not tell tells

00:55:53.500 like the army

00:55:54.220 yeah

00:55:55.060 you do not run away

00:55:56.220 and leave a man down

00:55:57.180 right

00:55:57.960 nice shiny shoes

00:55:59.240 short haircuts

00:56:00.240 and love your mum

00:56:01.140 and that was the code

00:56:04.060 and that was the code

00:56:04.080 on the road

00:56:04.660 and that went away

00:56:05.360 and they've now

00:56:06.160 broke that down

00:56:07.240 so that ain't there

00:56:08.460 and I don't

00:56:10.040 if I introduce you to

00:56:11.460 20 different criminals

00:56:13.160 25 years ago

00:56:14.520 you'd see an armed robber

00:56:15.860 a cat burglar

00:56:16.660 a kidnapper 0.99

00:56:18.780 a f***ing 1.00

00:56:19.740 a murderer 1.00

00:56:21.120 now you're just

00:56:21.940 doing narcotics

00:56:23.000 and with the vast amount

00:56:24.400 of money

00:56:24.960 involved in narcotics

00:56:26.460 everything

00:56:27.360 and everyone

00:56:28.000 is bribeable

00:56:28.760 law

00:56:29.260 policemen

00:56:30.760 gangsters

00:56:31.880 yeah you know what I mean 0.99

00:56:33.080 to go and get someone killed

00:56:34.240 once was 20 grand 0.98

00:56:36.200 it was a lot of f***ing money

00:56:37.240 now you can go and get it done 0.94

00:56:38.140 for f***ing all 0.95

00:56:39.040 f***ing all 0.98

00:56:40.520 don't have to have enemies 1.00

00:56:42.440 you don't get caught for it

00:56:43.680 just ask some

00:56:44.340 little Russian bloke

00:56:45.580 who lives in Norwich

00:56:46.680 to come down and do it

00:56:47.660 done

00:56:48.480 he goes back up there

00:56:49.440 I'm afraid the only way

00:56:50.520 to be a successful drug dealer

00:56:51.900 now is

00:56:52.480 to be on that side

00:56:54.080 I'll get

00:56:55.980 chastised for saying that

00:56:57.460 but

00:56:58.280 the

00:56:59.140 the informant network

00:57:00.500 they have

00:57:00.940 is so good

00:57:01.640 no one can be a drug dealer

00:57:03.100 and the police not know 0.97

00:57:04.100 don't f***ing be 1.00

00:57:05.380 stupid enough 1.00

00:57:06.720 to think that you are a drug dealer 1.00

00:57:08.360 and have been a drug dealer

00:57:09.580 what's the pro and the con of that

00:57:10.880 the pro and the con of it is

00:57:12.080 you can sell more

00:57:13.180 if more people know you're doing it

00:57:14.580 but the police will know

00:57:15.820 so the police will just find a way

00:57:17.360 to actually get you working for them

00:57:19.180 no one's ever going to go

00:57:20.020 I'm an informant

00:57:21.080 if I actually catch you

00:57:22.540 and go right

00:57:22.940 I've had your phone bugged

00:57:23.780 your house bugged

00:57:24.680 and all these photographs

00:57:25.740 I've now got

00:57:26.460 20 years for you

00:57:27.500 20 years for your son

00:57:28.500 20 years for your daughter

00:57:29.640 and 20 years for your wife

00:57:30.540 or do you want to

00:57:31.140 do you want to work for me

00:57:32.020 because you're getting that

00:57:32.760 what do you want to do

00:57:33.320 quick

00:57:33.660 is that literally it right now

00:57:35.140 that's how it works

00:57:35.780 how long has it been like this

00:57:37.520 a long time

00:57:38.460 and that's how it works

00:57:39.320 and anyone there doing it

00:57:40.780 is one

00:57:41.820 so let me

00:57:42.480 let me ask you this

00:57:43.220 final thoughts here

00:57:44.220 okay

00:57:44.600 you've seen a lot

00:57:45.880 you've done a lot

00:57:46.460 I mean obviously

00:57:46.900 we didn't get into a lot of the

00:57:48.040 things you've done yourself

00:57:49.860 because you have a

00:57:51.040 rap sheet yourself

00:57:52.620 on the things you've done

00:57:53.400 you're at a different phase

00:57:55.240 of your life right now

00:57:56.140 right

00:57:56.560 you've seen a lot

00:57:57.920 I mean

00:57:58.240 you know

00:57:58.940 when someone comes in

00:58:00.020 you're extremely ambitious

00:58:00.960 I'm going to make my point

00:58:01.880 I'm a leader

00:58:02.320 I'm a delegator

00:58:02.920 I'm going to be able to

00:58:03.420 figure out exactly what I do

00:58:04.480 and then boom

00:58:04.880 a little bit more

00:58:05.920 I got to make money

00:58:06.660 I realize how important

00:58:07.480 the money part is 1.00

00:58:08.180 oh shit 0.99

00:58:08.640 the famous year 0.99

00:58:09.400 kind of got me

00:58:10.460 away from being able

00:58:11.820 to make the money

00:58:12.360 I used to make before

00:58:13.260 all this other stuff

00:58:14.120 and now

00:58:14.680 this is a different phase

00:58:15.840 right

00:58:16.020 life is about a lot

00:58:16.600 of different phases

00:58:17.220 what are you looking back now

00:58:19.360 saying

00:58:20.140 you know Dave

00:58:21.040 like you said

00:58:21.720 you bit your tongue

00:58:22.440 you shouldn't have told the cop

00:58:23.400 that we also have guns

00:58:24.940 except you have a certificate

00:58:25.860 we don't

00:58:26.660 do you have any other thing

00:58:28.240 where somebody

00:58:28.800 a young

00:58:29.300 a man is watching

00:58:31.420 somebody is watching

00:58:32.200 and saying

00:58:32.540 what can I take away from you

00:58:34.680 I feel really sorry for them

00:58:35.700 because

00:58:36.340 and it happens to everyone

00:58:38.240 when they get older

00:58:39.020 and whatever field you're in

00:58:40.180 crime as well

00:58:40.940 you long to do that

00:58:43.120 put your head on someone

00:58:45.700 and teach them

00:58:46.520 and let you know

00:58:47.760 what I know

00:58:48.460 without having to go

00:58:49.700 through all the hardships

00:58:50.480 but

00:58:51.360 in the crime world now

00:58:52.920 what I know

00:58:53.880 and what I'm used to

00:58:54.740 is no good to you anymore

00:58:56.040 trusting someone

00:58:57.320 being good character

00:58:58.480 shaking your hand

00:58:59.680 and all that

00:59:00.020 means nothing

00:59:00.560 now

00:59:00.980 the more nasty 0.98

00:59:02.140 and gung-ho 0.99

00:59:02.820 and spiteful 1.00

00:59:03.560 and murderous you are 1.00

00:59:04.620 the more respect you get 0.99

00:59:06.020 the more 1.00

00:59:06.700 murdering

00:59:08.680 deceitful 1.00

00:59:10.280 you are

00:59:11.680 they're the ones

00:59:12.760 that's making it

00:59:13.480 so what I've got to offer

00:59:14.640 in that crime world

00:59:15.460 is very old fashioned

00:59:17.060 and I would come

00:59:17.680 very second

00:59:18.420 very quick

00:59:19.460 I've got nothing

00:59:20.240 to offer them

00:59:21.260 I just feel

00:59:22.080 look at them

00:59:22.400 I want to cry

00:59:23.060 and that's God's honest truth

00:59:24.500 and there's nothing more

00:59:26.480 rewarding

00:59:27.440 than being able to go

00:59:28.620 look let me help you

00:59:30.100 meaning get out

00:59:31.300 or

00:59:31.660 that's my saying

00:59:33.100 get out

00:59:34.180 get out

00:59:35.720 stop looking at Scarface 0.98

00:59:37.020 on the f***ing video 0.98

00:59:37.920 get out 0.98

00:59:38.720 there is no more

00:59:40.220 there is no more of them

00:59:41.440 there is no more of them

00:59:43.420 and the only ones

00:59:44.780 that they're letting be

00:59:45.640 them gangsters now

00:59:46.800 that are sending the drugs

00:59:47.600 are working for the police

00:59:48.860 because the police

00:59:50.060 know they're a drug dealer

00:59:50.900 they don't think

00:59:51.340 there's any drug dealer

00:59:52.120 that the police

00:59:53.160 don't know you're a drug dealer

00:59:54.140 so the reason

00:59:54.680 they're letting you be one

00:59:55.660 is because you're working for them

00:59:56.980 if they wanted to stop you

00:59:58.520 they would stop you

00:59:59.300 so listen

00:59:59.820 I mean we can sit here

01:00:00.560 and you can go with stories

01:00:01.640 it's endless stories

01:00:02.600 I mean it's like

01:00:03.180 non-stop with you and stories

01:00:04.700 but you know

01:00:06.800 I appreciate you coming out

01:00:07.820 and being willing to share

01:00:08.880 and more than anything else

01:00:09.820 sometimes it's great

01:00:11.640 to hear somebody

01:00:12.640 who's gone through the life

01:00:13.980 you've seen it

01:00:15.380 you've hung out

01:00:16.100 with all the people

01:00:16.700 that people read about

01:00:17.620 and you're coming back

01:00:18.800 and saying

01:00:19.260 you know

01:00:20.000 I don't know if I recommend

01:00:20.860 this lifestyle

01:00:21.420 I don't know if I recommend

01:00:22.280 you wanting to go this route

01:00:23.860 maybe take a different route

01:00:24.680 for your life

01:00:25.140 to the young people

01:00:25.780 that I will see

01:00:26.280 I'm not saying maybe

01:00:26.880 I'm saying definitely

01:00:27.580 take another one

01:00:28.300 maybe if you'd have asked me

01:00:29.360 that 30 years ago

01:00:30.380 I might have said it's alright

01:00:31.520 but right now

01:00:32.800 is the wrong time

01:00:33.640 to be a criminal man

01:00:34.500 it's the wrong time

01:00:35.360 to be a criminal

01:00:35.860 wrong time

01:00:36.480 powerful to know

01:00:38.200 that this is the wrong time

01:00:39.140 to be a criminal

01:00:39.660 because it just means

01:00:40.380 it's safe for four

01:00:41.140 oh that is so touche

01:00:44.600 you've got to leave that in

01:00:48.140 you've got to leave that in

01:00:50.540 that was on cue

01:00:52.100 that was on cue

01:00:53.740 oh my

01:00:56.160 Dave Courtney

01:00:57.720 is in the building

01:00:59.020 leave

01:00:59.420 that sounds like my taxi

01:01:01.300 I think that was a good one

01:01:06.740 wasn't it

01:01:07.320 yeah that was a good

01:01:08.140 so having said that

01:01:08.920 we're going to end on this

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Valuetainment - April 16, 2019

Episode 283： London Gangster Reveals The Mob Life in Britain (David Courtney)

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