Valuetainment - Episode 286： Katie Hopkins Rant On Brexit ｜ Sadiq Khan ｜ Merkel

00:00:00.000 30 seconds. One time for the underdog. Ignition sequence start. Let me see you put them up. Reach the sky, touch the stars up above. Cause it's one time for the underdog. One time for the underdog.

00:00:17.260 I'm Patrick Bedeby, host of Value Entertainment. In today's sit down, I have a conversation with Katie Hopkins, a very controversial figure in UK where we cover Brexit, we cover Trump, we cover Nigel Farage.

00:00:28.180 Look, this is a great episode for somebody that doesn't really know what's going on in EU. She gives you a complete different perspective of what's really taking place with Brexit.

00:00:36.100 So one of the things I want to do with the Value Entertainment audience is kind of get us educated on what's happening around the world. I know a lot of times it's a lot of US interviews we do.

00:00:43.420 I decided to go to London. We are in London right now and meet with somebody who I think every time she tweets something, half of UK goes crazy on what she says.

00:00:54.220 She's got a lot of different nicknames, a lot of things people call her. Katie Hopkins. We're going to talk about people who don't like exercise too much.

00:01:03.520 We're going to talk a little politics. We're going to talk a little bit about moms, maybe a little bit of feminism, a little bit of taxes, Brexit, a little bit of all that stuff today with Katie Hopkins.

00:01:11.740 Katie, thank you so much for making the time. I really enjoyed the latte we had earlier.

00:01:17.320 We did. I introduced you to latte.

00:01:19.000 You are amazing. But it's not coffee, right? No, you don't drink coffee. So we've had to slightly backpedal on that, that it definitely wasn't a coffee that I gave you.

00:01:28.120 And what was interesting is Katie says, you know, I have a tendency of losing things. I just have a tendency of leaving things behind.

00:01:34.740 I said, I'm so embarrassed to say, I just lost my wallet. And she says, no. So she was kind enough.

00:01:40.960 We called the driver. She's talking to the driver and the people. They're just a whole different experience.

00:01:44.360 But we found your wallet. We found my wallet. We found your wallet. And that's the instant thing is when I have somebody who's now an instant friend, I will fight like a little lioness to solve their problems.

00:01:55.760 That was amazing seeing you in action, by the way. See, that's the stuff that people don't see behind camera on how somebody is. That was just fascinating to see that.

00:02:03.120 No, but I'll fix it. If there's a problem, I can fix it.

00:02:05.320 So why don't we get into it? I look at people and I study personalities. I'm curious. I'm so curious by how people are and what made them the way they are.

00:02:14.460 You're somebody that's, you seem very comfortable in your own skin and the opinions that you, you say things that rattles a lot of people out there.

00:02:23.180 Before going into some of your opinions, this is a simple question for you. If you and I were in high school together, you're 16, 17. I'm 16, 17. Who's Katie Hopkins?

00:02:30.840 At high school, 16, 17, Katie Hopkins is, never talk about yourself in the third person, right, is finding school pretty easy.

00:02:41.820 So it's not hard to get straight A's as it was then before you had A stars. I'm in the netball team. I've done my grade eight violin, my grade eight piano.

00:02:52.200 Stuff's not hard for me in terms of doing, getting the grades I'm supposed to get and getting the marks I'm supposed to get and having certificates for my parents to put on the wall.

00:03:02.520 And I'm walking to and from school every day. I have a normal family house with a mum and dad that are still together now, amazingly, all these years later.

00:03:11.280 I've always been together. Mum's a housewife and my father worked on the electrical pylons, like the overhead cable.

00:03:20.020 So super normal girl. And my high school was run by nuns, which is the one thing. 0.98

00:03:25.580 Come on.

00:03:25.940 I went to a Catholic. Yeah, I know. So for all of my hideous reputation in many different regards, I was brought up by nuns. 0.99

00:03:33.240 So I hold the nuns largely responsible for my poor behavior ever since.

00:03:37.340 Blame it on the nuns. Always. And I never knew, like, who decided that nuns could teach?

00:03:42.300 Like, someone just went, oh, a nun. She must be a teacher. Like, who does that?

00:03:46.460 That is a good question.

00:03:46.940 Who decided nuns could teach? Like, no one ever decided that for monks, particularly.

00:03:50.280 Never had boys' schools run by monks. But anyway, yes, I went to a convent girl's school and I was never allowed to be the Virgin Mary for any number of reasons.

00:04:01.460 But at the Christmas play, you could only be Virgin Mary if you were a Catholic.

00:04:05.400 And I had my, so I'm left-handed. I used to, Sister Bede, Form 3, I still remember her.

00:04:12.940 She used to tie my left hand up behind my back because good people wrote with their right hand.

00:04:19.000 Because good people wrote with their right hand.

00:04:20.280 Yeah, I'm only 42 as well. I'm telling stories like I'm 68.

00:04:23.220 Wow.

00:04:23.400 Yeah, hardcore school.

00:04:24.240 And you remember that. You remember that vividly.

00:04:26.280 Yeah, I can remember that whole being, having to stay in and practice writing with a hand I don't write with.

00:04:30.700 I grew up thinking left-handed people were special people.

00:04:33.460 We are.

00:04:33.700 Like, they always had to not be serious with you. Like, they have an edge.

00:04:36.720 We do.

00:04:37.140 Like, it's a chip. Like, hey, I'm different. And that makes me.

00:04:40.100 Yes. And I have a daughter that's just like me. She's left-handed too.

00:04:42.960 No, I definitely identify with left-handed people. But maybe that's why the nuns wanted to, you know, beat it out of you. 0.95

00:04:47.960 Kind of push you around a little bit?

00:04:48.880 Yeah.

00:04:49.220 Interesting. So in your family, if I'm having dinner at your house, mom, dad, electrical engineer, stay-at-home mom, were there debates?

00:04:56.180 Did you talk politics?

00:04:57.180 Did you talk sports?

00:04:58.060 Nothing.

00:04:58.500 So one thing, at 5 to 5, you'd be sat down. And I'd be sat down, my sister, my mom, and then my dad would sit down at 5 o'clock, dinner. Always. No change. 5 o'clock dinner.

00:05:09.260 On the table.

00:05:09.660 What was a conversation?

00:05:10.280 I don't even remember us talking about stuff. We must have talked about school and normal things.

00:05:14.440 Normal things.

00:05:14.800 Got it.

00:05:14.820 It wasn't this kind of crazy debate.

00:05:16.380 So it's not like sit there and say, did you hear what he said?

00:05:18.140 What do you think about this political thing that's going on?

00:05:20.160 Not at all.

00:05:20.660 Not at all. And certainly with my kids now, I know that we can talk about all sorts of things and I'll ask them, oh, did you see about, you know, the volcano or did you hear about the, and I'll check that they have dialed into stuff.

00:05:31.000 I think they should know. But I don't remember that about my childhood. I do remember not being able to leave my plate until it was finished. 100%.

00:05:39.880 Was that mom, dad or both?

00:05:41.000 Both.

00:05:41.280 Who was the discipline?

00:05:42.180 Both of them. But particularly, we were scared of my dad in terms of, you know, he was the figure of the family that you were.

00:05:47.720 You didn't mess with. And I don't, I don't regret that or want to change that. That was how it was. We knew where we stood.

00:05:54.060 Steak and kidney pie. That's when I remember the bits of kidney sitting, looking at them, wondering how to get out of that.

00:06:00.260 So very normal, very standard, very, it's why I quite like order, discipline, people doing what makes sense in order to get an end result because with a lot of my growing up, do enough of the work, you'll get an A, no problem.

00:06:15.520 Play the violin hard enough, you'll get a distinction at grade eight, no problem.

00:06:19.180 Like, I understand what you have to do.

00:06:21.060 Systems.

00:06:21.620 Yeah, systems, processes, rules.

00:06:24.500 And you were comfortable with that.

00:06:25.720 I get them.

00:06:26.340 You know, my dad said, we have three kids, six, five, and a two-year-old. My dad says kids need systems because it's a level of predictability that gives them trust and peace.

00:06:35.440 So it's amazing how you're saying that with systems and processes.

00:06:37.540 I think it's true, and I almost wonder whether my super normal, super normal upbringing, you know, when mom and dad really, dad, you know, worked a lot of hours to be able to get me and my sister to the school that I slightly took the mickey out of.

00:06:50.660 But, you know, maybe that super normal upbringing is what gives you enough space in your head and your mind to then go on and kind of burst out.

00:06:58.780 Where did the chip come at? Where did the chip come? Because almost everybody I see that's chippy or a little bit confrontational, comfortably confrontational, kind of like yourself, there is an event. 1.00

00:07:09.620 There is something happened that, you know, triggered something. I don't know what it was.

00:07:14.460 I mean, I know for yourself when you were coming up, you wanted to go to Oxford, something's happened there, and then you wanted to do military, you went military, there were some things health-wise at the end.

00:07:22.240 Yes.

00:07:22.700 When did your chippiness, what event, was there any event that you remember or no?

00:07:26.740 Yeah, I think my chippiness is because at 17, I was diagnosed with epilepsy or suspected epilepsy, and that was the start of a 20-year epilepsy, a lifetime with epilepsy until recently.

00:07:41.680 And those fits got more and more significant.

00:07:44.060 So it's almost always been all of my life, actually, hiding an illness that I didn't want anyone to know about, overcoming the things that may have kept me back because of that epilepsy, and then determined to be better than that and be anybody else.

00:08:00.520 And that's definitely where my chippiness is.

00:08:03.060 That's why I had to leave after I passed out of Sandhurst because they found out I had epilepsy, and it's what I've been pretending I didn't have all of my life whilst going on and being on The Apprentice or being this person or standing up and speaking to 2,000 people.

00:08:17.420 It's always been about, you don't know I'm epileptic.

00:08:20.520 You don't know I dislocated both my arms in the night with a fit.

00:08:23.280 Look, this is me.

00:08:25.860 And so running and all of that stuff, all the fitness stuff was always about being, knowing that actually secretly I was probably weaker than a lot of people, but needing to have a front that was ultimately strong.

00:08:37.260 Wow.

00:08:37.840 And that's so interesting.

00:08:39.620 I think you said something where every 10 days, your arms, your elbows would, and that lasted for like, what, two years, a couple of years that lasted?

00:08:46.900 It was in that back end of my, so I don't have fit.

00:08:49.560 How squeamish are you?

00:08:50.760 No.

00:08:51.320 Okay, so this is not too weird.

00:08:52.960 I'm not about to put your hand somewhere really bad.

00:08:55.120 I saw the fear in your eyes, like, where's this hand going?

00:08:57.980 So that's the top of my head.

00:09:00.680 Oh my God, are you kidding me?

00:09:01.020 And that's my brain.

00:09:02.140 Are you kidding me?

00:09:03.240 So I'm like a little egg now with no shell.

00:09:06.260 That's the surgery?

00:09:07.140 The surgery that cured me of the epilepsy, so I no longer have any fit.

00:09:11.040 I mean, it is soft.

00:09:12.340 That's my brain.

00:09:13.580 That's your brain I touch, right?

00:09:15.180 Yes.

00:09:16.060 So they go in with a circular saw.

00:09:17.920 There was a team of 12.

00:09:19.160 It took like 18 hours.

00:09:20.420 They saw the top of your head off, and then they open up your skull.

00:09:25.340 They go in.

00:09:26.020 I don't know what this is.

00:09:26.920 I presume it's some sort of shovel.

00:09:28.520 Shovel.

00:09:28.840 They go in like a miner in a tunnel, and they got out this sort of tumor thing that was causing

00:09:35.120 my epilepsy, got rid of it.

00:09:36.800 But then they do put that flap back in, but mine went really manky, which is a medical

00:09:40.880 term for meningitis.

00:09:42.400 And so they went back in and threw it away.

00:09:44.000 So that's just my brain.

00:09:45.140 I just trot about with.

00:09:46.520 So what do they tell you to protect, to safety?

00:09:49.820 Oh, I can get a titanium one.

00:09:51.760 There's one in the printer already at the hospital.

00:09:53.960 So a titanium rooftop.

00:09:55.520 What was the risk?

00:09:56.260 Was it to the point where you were so sick and tired of experiencing this for 20 years

00:09:59.600 like, I'm either going to do it, it may cost me my life, but I can't live like that.

00:10:02.800 Were you at that point?

00:10:03.900 Yes.

00:10:04.180 So I had two years was the span.

00:10:05.960 They said that a fit would get me within a two-year time frame.

00:10:09.740 And so every morning, because I used to be on the road, on the road, on the road, determined,

00:10:12.880 I would text my mum, I'm here, and text my husband, I'm here.

00:10:16.920 And it's funny, I still go to my phone now and go, I'm here.

00:10:20.000 But then I'm like, I don't need to tell anyone I'm here.

00:10:22.160 They know I'm here.

00:10:23.060 Because that was just about letting people know I'd got through the night.

00:10:26.620 So I was just saying, I'm here in the morning, because my mum would need to check.

00:10:30.320 And then, yeah, my fits used to dislocate both my arms out of their sockets.

00:10:33.720 But I've had them re-sewn on now.

00:10:36.360 So I'm like Terminator Hopkins.

00:10:39.160 And you're good now.

00:10:40.260 You feel good.

00:10:40.880 This is part of the other reason for this phase is now I'm of epic proportions in my head

00:10:48.320 because I've got a whole new life.

00:10:50.080 What's changed?

00:10:50.760 What have you noticed after the procedure changed that maybe you didn't have before?

00:10:54.360 I can go to sleep and not fear.

00:10:57.260 I wake up and don't have to text people that I'm alive.

00:11:00.040 I don't have to wonder if I'll have arms in the morning or not.

00:11:03.300 I don't bite my tongue off anymore.

00:11:05.640 But that's why small things like being called names, they have a, on a scale of perspective,

00:11:13.480 I've been gifted perspective.

00:11:16.140 It doesn't bother you.

00:11:17.400 Life has some enormity to it.

00:11:19.920 And brain surgery is fairly enormous.

00:11:21.840 So it was left, hold on, left, left arm, the deficit.

00:11:25.280 So you could lose your left arm, left leg, sight or speech were my risks.

00:11:30.780 So I got all of that back.

00:11:33.340 So I, I, that's why I feel like I have a purpose.

00:11:35.360 Oh my gosh.

00:11:36.060 Of course, especially if your gift is speaking and communicating a message that you have in your, in your, in your mind.

00:11:40.420 It's like taking a person who's a writer and you take their arms out.

00:11:43.500 How am I going to express myself?

00:11:44.560 So it's a very powerful thing.

00:11:45.980 My good friend, Robert Greene, author, he just finished his book, Laws of Human Nature.

00:11:49.620 And he had a big stroke right after finishing the book.

00:11:52.740 And his entire left side, when you see the interview, this is how he moves his arm.

00:11:56.700 This is how he moves his, he moves his leg like that.

00:11:58.740 And we were talking, I said, he's, he sincerely seemed concerned because it's Patrick.

00:12:03.420 The way I've been expressing myself last 30 years is through writing.

00:12:06.620 Yes.

00:12:06.920 And he's, you know, and you can see the struggle of somebody that's got so much to offer, but they're going through it.

00:12:12.380 So I, I can see how that probably had an effect on, well, that's great.

00:12:15.320 I'm glad, thank you for sharing that.

00:12:16.780 Oh, no, not at all.

00:12:17.620 I don't speak about it very much because A, it's long and convoluted.

00:12:20.900 And B, it's a side of me that I always kept hidden.

00:12:23.880 So it doesn't really come into play.

00:12:27.080 But I think it's a secret that I kept for so long and now I'm better.

00:12:31.020 Maybe I'm able to talk about it because I don't feel strange anymore.

00:12:33.820 So sometimes, for example, I had to make a 180 of my life, right?

00:12:38.860 I was a kid that was coming up and I was seen as this guy who was a party guy.

00:12:42.980 You go party with me, you're going to have a great time and we're going to go do all this stuff.

00:12:46.680 And then one day I switched.

00:12:48.320 And so all my circle, everybody who knew me was like, wait a minute, what happened to you?

00:12:52.520 We don't like this new guy.

00:12:53.400 Why are you so serious?

00:12:54.360 Why are you so determined to go out there and win?

00:12:55.720 I had a chip myself as well, an experience that took place.

00:12:58.380 But do you think the world expected Katie to be Katie?

00:13:03.520 And is there anything about Katie that you want to change now or you're comfortable with the Katie that was before?

00:13:08.360 And the Katie that is, is there a Katie 3.0, 4.0 that?

00:13:11.100 I think this is an evolution now.

00:13:13.040 So I don't think I've done a 180, but I think I've allowed this other me, this, this epileptic me, the me that worried about not being around for my kids, the me that was in the casualty or A&E or ER to your guys at three in the morning, having her shoulders put back in.

00:13:31.760 You know, that I've allowed her to catch up or maybe I've allowed big, strong Katie to come back. 0.97

00:13:37.560 And those two people be like identifying the same person.

00:13:41.880 I've allowed those two people to be the same.

00:13:43.660 Hence, I'm able to speak about this openly.

00:13:46.480 I wouldn't ever bore someone with this at dinner, just for reassurance.

00:13:49.620 If anyone's ever thinking of inviting me to dinner, it's not a story I tell.

00:13:53.580 But I've allowed those two people now to join up.

00:13:56.200 And I think it's a much more honest me.

00:13:58.240 And it's also me that other people, they get this part of me.

00:14:01.800 You know, I wrote about it in my book and people then went on and bought the book for like their friends who maybe were undergoing chemo or a really horrible divorce or had just lost their job and were feeling rubbish about themselves.

00:14:14.140 And it became a kind of book for people that saw, actually, we all have a bit of a rubbish time and we can come on after that.

00:14:21.820 So it became like a nice thing.

00:14:23.200 And unfortunately, most of us are not comfortable bringing it out and talking about it because we have to have that facade and cover ourselves up.

00:14:30.720 Because in case we show a certain level of weakness, because you know the whole saying, you can never show weakness, never show hurt, never show this.

00:14:36.800 And I agree with that still.

00:14:38.000 I do as well.

00:14:38.680 I 100% do.

00:14:39.620 I do.

00:14:39.980 But I think from my perspective is I like a person's human side when I see it and I say, wow, I respect your opinions, but I now connect with you on the human side.

00:14:53.240 I don't connect with you on, let's just say, whatever opinion you got on what I would like.

00:14:58.260 But I connect with you with the opinion.

00:14:59.720 I'm there.

00:15:00.260 So at least we have something in common.

00:15:01.900 And I think that's true for a lot of people that know a bit about me or know me or have met me or meet me in the street and they can say, I thought I hated you, but actually, or they'll come and listen to a talk and I get people at the start, right, hands up who thinks I'm a cow, you know, and the whole room will be like, or people will start to be bravely. 0.96

00:15:17.440 Yeah, I think you're a cow. 0.99

00:15:19.240 But then by the end, people will come up and say, it's really annoying now. 0.99

00:15:22.540 I came here and I really wanted to hate you.

00:15:24.700 And I realised I can't hate you as much as I thought I did.

00:15:27.700 So there's that, but I still say, you know, that our lives are such that the evolution of a person, you know, at a certain age, you can be this person.

00:15:37.740 I've been able to reconcile epileptic me and big, bold, annoying me.

00:15:42.460 And that's the same now. 0.97

00:15:44.060 But for those early years, the 20s, the 30s, do I regret being that bullshit, nothing's going to stop me, epilepsy won't beat me person? 0.90

00:15:52.540 No, not at all. 0.85

00:15:53.420 I think they were, that was intrinsic to surviving.

00:15:57.500 Would I have wanted to be sorry for myself and take disability benefits and tell employers I've got epilepsy so they didn't hire me?

00:16:04.260 Not a chance.

00:16:05.420 Well, respect for you to stay true to your core principles, which is solid.

00:16:09.640 So why don't we go into that and talk about some of those principles?

00:16:13.520 It's a wide range, right?

00:16:15.160 And I think why don't we just start off with something basic right now?

00:16:17.400 We'll talk about different topics and you give me your thoughts and we'll banter a little bit and we'll go to the next topic and the next topic.

00:16:22.940 Let's start off with something where, you know, my goal a lot of times with entrepreneurs, there's a lot of, you hear people that say, there's one thing I don't do, I don't do politics.

00:16:31.340 I don't even want to follow it.

00:16:32.280 I don't want to do anything.

00:16:33.060 I'm sorry.

00:16:33.420 If you're an entrepreneur, you're paying taxes, you better pay attention to politics because one regulation could affect your business.

00:16:39.720 I can't tell you how many CEOs call me and they tell me, well, you know, this one regulation changed the game for me and our revenues dropped 40%.

00:16:45.940 Well, you should pay attention to some of the stuff that's going on and rather than just saying, well, I'm not going to do anything with this.

00:16:51.300 So let's talk Brexit and let's talk EU.

00:16:55.080 This is an event that took place a couple of years ago and I think there's like seven other countries right now that are trying to separate themselves from the EU.

00:17:02.840 Somebody watches this on YouTube.

00:17:05.540 They watch this other places.

00:17:06.660 They hear EU, Brexit.

00:17:08.880 Why are countries part of EU?

00:17:10.760 What is the benefit of being part of EU?

00:17:12.580 And now let's talk about Brexit.

00:17:13.940 Why are some countries wanting to be part of EU?

00:17:15.680 EU, this idea that you can join a group and you are better in than you are out.

00:17:20.440 You're better as a group where you're combining your strengths as nations, that you work together so you have common security, common rules and regulations, common understanding, that idea, which sounds very noble.

00:17:31.340 A common market and a common currency, the euro.

00:17:33.720 But as a staunch Brexiteer, so I get called the female Farage quite a lot, which is annoying because he has really bad teeth.

00:17:41.660 So on the 23rd of June, 2016, we voted to leave.

00:17:45.600 17.4 million of us voted to leave.

00:17:48.640 Really great people.

00:17:50.160 So England and the United Kingdom is made up of two places.

00:17:53.800 One place is called London.

00:17:56.120 Londonistan, as I call it, for obvious reasons, as you'll have seen coming from the airport.

00:18:00.400 And the rest of it is called the rest of the UK, where I live, where lovely people live, where regular Brits live, people that I really identify with.

00:18:08.980 And for people in the rest of the UK, a lot of us voted leave.

00:18:12.280 And what's been very traumatic is spending two years, which we're at now, still waiting, still not getting to actually leave.

00:18:21.220 Brexit hasn't happened.

00:18:22.720 And it looks increasingly like it won't.

00:18:25.740 And that's a very challenging thing for many of us because it challenges our very belief in democracy itself and our social contract.

00:18:34.460 But the question is, why did we want to belong?

00:18:37.020 Why do some people want to belong?

00:18:39.020 You know, some people, the people that live here in London that are doing very well, thank you, are, you know, the elites, the establishment,

00:18:46.540 the people that are very wealthy living in the biggest houses in the centre of London, old London.

00:18:51.460 Who are pro-staying with the EU?

00:18:52.880 They're pro-staying because their lives are great.

00:18:55.200 They're rich.

00:18:56.480 They have lives that they don't want to stir up.

00:18:58.600 If something's working, why change it?

00:19:00.180 And you get out into the periphery, the rest of the UK, where we are overwhelmed with migrants.

00:19:05.840 You can't get an appointment for your dad at the doctor's because there's too many people on the wait list.

00:19:10.340 You can't get your children into the school down the road because the wait list is overwhelmed.

00:19:15.140 And you start to really feel like you want your country back.

00:19:19.720 And that was the divide between London, the rest of the UK and the people that I know.

00:19:24.580 So, Katie, so what is the benefit of being part of EU?

00:19:26.920 So, I mean, I understand, you know, it's 28 nations minus Britain, let's just say 27, whatever way they put the numbers.

00:19:34.140 What is the real benefit of being part of EU?

00:19:36.560 I think the real benefit that people see is that they can have the fluid movement of people.

00:19:41.180 They say it's a massive benefit to be able to move freely across the whole of the EU,

00:19:45.340 that you don't need to have a visa.

00:19:46.620 You can go and work there.

00:19:47.580 You can live there.

00:19:48.580 And we can benefit from migration into our country. 0.68

00:19:51.120 They say that there is a net benefit to be gained from every migrant that comes to this country. 1.00

00:19:55.880 There's a net benefit we get from every migrant that comes to this country. 1.00

00:20:00.240 That's what they say.

00:20:01.900 And, of course, I would say the opposite of that.

00:20:04.480 And we end up stuck in this sort of place where you say one thing, I say the other,

00:20:08.920 but neither side is listening nor changing each other's views.

00:20:11.740 Is it a method where the EU will say, hey, Croatia, you've got to take these 100,000 refugees?

00:20:16.360 Yes.

00:20:16.480 And you have no choice.

00:20:17.200 Yes.

00:20:17.460 And if I'm Croatia, I don't have a choice.

00:20:18.960 No, you don't have a choice.

00:20:20.200 Benefit.

00:20:20.640 You're part of EU.

00:20:22.280 If we were a country, we are the third largest, most powerful military in the world combined,

00:20:26.980 if we're part of EU.

00:20:28.240 But if you're part of EU, you have to do whatever we tell you to do.

00:20:30.840 So I'm Angela Merkel, although obviously I'm not because I'm not ginger.

00:20:34.220 I'm not autistic.

00:20:35.240 And I couldn't kill both my parents in the night.

00:20:37.120 Still turn up in a pantsuit in Brussels at 7 a.m., 0.99

00:20:39.820 which Merkel could do without any challenge whatsoever because she's crazy.

00:20:43.920 But if I'm Merkel, I've taken 2.5 million migrants from God knows where, 0.99

00:20:50.020 half of whom might be jihadis.

00:20:51.480 I can now say to you, and you are hungry, take these people. 0.97

00:20:56.160 And you have to say yes.

00:20:57.200 Although, luckily, Hungary and Orban have said, no, we won't.

00:21:02.100 I love Hungary.

00:21:03.440 I love Poland.

00:21:04.820 So that's the challenge.

00:21:06.160 The challenge is you're forced to make the choice.

00:21:08.380 You belong.

00:21:09.020 So you get the military.

00:21:09.820 You get the security.

00:21:10.680 You get the shared airspace, shared understanding of this.

00:21:13.520 You get the technological advantage, sharing in science.

00:21:16.480 You get migrants, blah, blah. 1.00

00:21:17.600 But the disadvantage is you get told what you have to do.

00:21:20.040 You have to pay your money.

00:21:21.620 You have to pay in, even though you might not receive it.

00:21:23.720 And, for example, the French can fish in our waters,

00:21:25.960 which my Cornish fisherman friends aren't particularly fond of.

00:21:29.300 You can only touch, what, 20% of it, right?

00:21:31.080 What's the number that's out there on your own water?

00:21:34.040 You can't go fish.

00:21:35.200 That just makes no sense to me.

00:21:36.280 And Macron just came out and said,

00:21:37.340 we are still going to fish in your waters when you leave.

00:21:40.740 We are still going to fish in your waters when you leave.

00:21:42.800 Macron just came out and said,

00:21:43.900 and we expect to take some sovereignty back on Gibraltar.

00:21:46.520 Well, let me ask you this.

00:21:47.320 What's the worst thing that can happen if Brexit does actually become a reality?

00:21:51.380 What is the worst thing that can happen in Europe?

00:21:54.040 The worst thing that can happen, I see no bad thing that can happen.

00:21:58.860 The only thing that could happen to me is it encourages a whole bunch of other people

00:22:01.880 to leave, which is precisely why they don't want us to leave.

00:22:04.960 And I think the great thing, the media keep using the narrative, we crash out of the EU.

00:22:10.780 We crash out with no deal.

00:22:12.200 We don't crash anywhere.

00:22:13.860 No airplanes are going to come falling from the sky.

00:22:16.480 We will politely leave in a very British way, 1.00

00:22:19.200 apologize when someone else stands on our foot, and we just walk out the door.

00:22:23.380 You know, that's what no deal means.

00:22:24.940 We don't even have to pay to leave.

00:22:27.040 But for some God only knows reason, our establishment won't let us leave.

00:22:31.400 I truly think Brexit won't happen.

00:22:32.820 Is it the worry that's going to be 27 against 1?

00:22:35.320 Is that what the worry is?

00:22:36.320 Is it a worry of war?

00:22:37.720 Is it a worry of, you know, trade issues where people are not going to want to do business?

00:22:42.080 Is it going to affect the money people, the establishment wealthy in London?

00:22:45.600 Yes, it's the wealthy in London.

00:22:47.740 Status quo works for them.

00:22:49.800 The situation as it is now works for them.

00:22:53.060 Why mess with what you don't need to mess with for the financial markets?

00:22:56.960 It's a prudent thing to be part of the EU.

00:22:59.600 Why destabilize that?

00:23:00.880 Why challenge something that's working?

00:23:03.700 So in America right now, obviously, we're going through with China. 0.96

00:23:06.660 You've seen the tariffs on what's taking place there.

00:23:09.000 And some established CEOs are concerned, saying, hey, you know what?

00:23:12.440 We're being affected by this because this is trade.

00:23:14.400 Like, we want to do business with them.

00:23:16.440 They produce product for us cheaper.

00:23:17.940 They do this.

00:23:18.460 They do that.

00:23:18.920 And Trump is saying, well, yes, at the same time, these guys have been taking advantage

00:23:23.300 of us for so many years that we're standing ground.

00:23:25.020 So I can see what the business owner is concerned about currently right now.

00:23:28.740 Is that similar to what the Brexit situation would be with EU?

00:23:31.500 Yes, the anxiety.

00:23:33.040 Well, always change.

00:23:34.020 Change in any business model creates some level of disturbance in the business.

00:23:38.360 It's hard to make projections.

00:23:39.800 It's hard to make long-term or cash flow even.

00:23:43.460 Forecast for cash flow is a difficult thing to do when there's going to be change or a

00:23:46.820 dynamic in the business that you can't plan for.

00:23:48.940 But I think sometimes in life we learn you have to take short-term pain in order to, and

00:23:54.720 it's what America is trying to do with China, I think, take some short-term pain in order 0.91

00:23:58.880 to establish yourself as someone that isn't going to have these huge trade deficits where

00:24:03.200 China is clearly taking the mickey out of America. 0.88

00:24:05.500 Yeah, and you're seeing that.

00:24:06.880 And you see it in the numbers.

00:24:09.000 Germany too, actually, with America.

00:24:10.900 I see that as well.

00:24:12.200 I agree.

00:24:12.960 So on the EU side, the smaller countries want you to stick around because Greece has been

00:24:18.060 taken care of, and, hey, you're taking care of me.

00:24:19.800 I don't want the big guys to leave because their money is funding us.

00:24:22.420 So is EU helping bail out a lot of small countries as well consistently or no?

00:24:26.920 I mean, I'm such a Brexiteer.

00:24:28.260 You aren't going to get a positive from me on the EU, and you're probably not going to

00:24:31.680 get a reasonable answer.

00:24:32.680 No, my question will be the following.

00:24:34.500 It reminds me of taxes, which is the ones that are working hard, making them, like California,

00:24:40.160 you're paying 57% in taxes, and then you're paying that additional 13 and a half

00:24:44.560 for living in California, you're paying some people that are not paying taxes, right?

00:24:47.400 So is it the larger countries who are growing, being prosperous, they're taking care of countries

00:24:52.980 like Greece and bail on them out for their bad habits? 0.82

00:24:54.880 Is that kind of what's going on with the EU?

00:24:56.440 Well, I mean, Greece, I mean, to my knowledge and having spent time there, you know, Greece

00:25:01.060 was utterly, utterly, more or less driven to the point of collapse by the EU because it

00:25:07.000 has these punitive regimes for repayment of debt, and Italy's just going through the

00:25:11.520 same.

00:25:11.860 Italy is trying to move its country forward, and the EU is penalizing them because it's

00:25:16.080 saying, no, you need to have a budget that helps to pay back your debt, whereas Italy

00:25:19.900 wants to expand, it wants to go into kind of a movement of growth, and the EU is saying,

00:25:24.280 no, you have to make these contributions, we need to keep your country poor.

00:25:28.000 So I can't, I can't honestly, for the life of me, find a positive for the EU, but that's

00:25:33.280 because my feeling of hatred towards the way we've been treated because we have not seen

00:25:39.120 Brexit delivers is so strong.

00:25:40.820 And I would love the whole thing to be broken up.

00:25:43.940 I would love for the EU to be broken up for it to fall apart, because I cannot abide to

00:25:51.400 see Germany and France telling other countries they have to give up their sovereignty, which

00:25:56.340 is exactly what they were talking about last week.

00:25:58.360 So that's interesting you say that.

00:25:59.900 I guess one of the questions I would have for you would be to follow.

00:26:01.960 I, and I don't have an answer for this, I'm just curious to know what you're going to

00:26:05.460 say about this.

00:26:05.960 I went from Iran, we wanted to get a green card to come straight to America, we couldn't

00:26:10.660 get it, we escaped Iran six weeks after Khomeini died, we went to Germany, and I lived at a

00:26:15.060 refugee camp for a year and a half.

00:26:16.780 And we had refugees from all over, and this is Germany, and then from there I come here.

00:26:21.180 So, I created jobs in America, this is a good story of a refugee that ended up creating 1.00

00:26:27.280 a good economy in America.

00:26:29.880 What do you do to be able to, because I understand the concern on the other side as well, if we just

00:26:33.820 accept everybody, so what is the solution for it?

00:26:36.660 Because is a solution, in your opinion, 100% no, or is it a better filtering system?

00:26:41.120 And if it is, how do you filter that?

00:26:42.620 Your story is, I mean, it's why people would find it very hard.

00:26:46.040 If I was a Democrat, you'd be a very spiky fish, because I'd be like, oh, I want to love

00:26:50.580 him because he's a refugee, and he came from Iran, and ooh, but then, hold on a minute, he's

00:26:56.260 made millions for people, and he employs vast numbers of people, and you've made yourself

00:27:00.960 extremely successful, and made many people very successful, and Democrats would have

00:27:04.240 to go, run away, run away, he's done too well for himself.

00:27:07.040 That's my summary of Democrats for you.

00:27:09.240 But for me, yes, I think what we need is an immigration policy, exactly like Australia, 0.82

00:27:14.700 where we don't say, okay, we'll accept free movement of people from anywhere in Europe.

00:27:19.700 If you're French, or Croatian, or German, you can come here, you don't have to show anything,

00:27:24.620 you just come on in.

00:27:25.440 We don't do that anymore.

00:27:26.200 We open the UK up to the whole of the world, and we say, if you're in India, and you are 1.00

00:27:32.500 brilliant at what you do, come show us.

00:27:34.980 Come show us, earn the points, a points system of immigration, just like the Australians, 1.00

00:27:39.800 and if you've got the skills we need, you're straight in.

00:27:42.840 If you're going to work in our NHS, and you're a brilliant doctor, you're straight in.

00:27:46.800 It doesn't matter where you come from, you're welcome to our country.

00:27:50.260 And that point-based immigration system is what Australia's run on, and why they've been

00:27:54.900 so successful for years.

00:27:56.700 So, an immigration system based on points?

00:27:59.560 Points.

00:28:00.040 It's a point-based immigration system.

00:28:02.000 What value am I bringing to your country?

00:28:04.060 Yes.

00:28:04.220 You do, you come in.

00:28:05.360 Yes, and so I would score very, very poorly right now.

00:28:08.780 I'm of an age where I'm probably over 30 or whatever.

00:28:12.160 That means you score less points, because you're going to be a cost at some point in the near

00:28:15.660 future.

00:28:16.500 You know, do I have, am I going to employ a lot of people?

00:28:19.200 Probably not.

00:28:20.220 I would score very poorly.

00:28:21.640 You, on the other hand, would score magnificently.

00:28:23.860 We'd be trying to drag you here, saying, please come.

00:28:26.740 And that seems to me, that's the perfect system for our country.

00:28:30.280 That sounds like Atlas Shrug is what it sounds like.

00:28:32.940 I don't know if you've read Atlas Shrug, Ayn Rand, so the whole John Galt, where let's

00:28:37.020 create a community of people of the best talent, right?

00:28:40.820 Is that, are you kind of pro that?

00:28:42.600 Are you?

00:28:42.780 Yeah, well just, and not even the best talent, because I think so often people, some people

00:28:47.680 have the best talent, and we should definitely grab them.

00:28:49.660 Some people just have this incredible work ethic, which is probably where your parents

00:28:54.780 fit in, knowing a little bit of who you are, probably where are those, are first generation

00:29:01.160 immigrants that came here originally from India, from Africa, from, they grafted, they 1.00

00:29:05.920 were the hardest worker.

00:29:07.100 They would outwork any British person. 1.00

00:29:08.880 That kind of spirit is what we need.

00:29:11.760 Not just the best talent, but someone who's grafted so hard, they want to work.

00:29:16.140 That's the sort of people I want, and am I excited that 95% of our Somali immigrants

00:29:21.100 here in the UK are unemployed?

00:29:22.860 No.

00:29:23.320 Am I excited that 80% of our Somali immigrants and females don't even speak English? 1.00

00:29:28.700 No.

00:29:29.140 That's a real problem, and it's a problem we need to be talking about.

00:29:32.300 Got it.

00:29:32.480 So why would somebody pose that idea?

00:29:34.600 Why would somebody say, no, I don't like the idea? 0.99

00:29:36.260 Because I'm a racist, xenophobe, bigot, misogynist, white supremacist, Nazi, and you can't possibly 0.94

00:29:43.040 suggest people need to be good at something to come to your country, because it's not 0.98

00:29:47.440 welcoming and it's intolerant.

00:29:49.400 Got it.

00:29:49.820 But somebody say that, you know, the whole multicultural thing, wouldn't that go against

00:29:55.340 the multicultural thing?

00:29:56.380 You're not saying that you're against multicultural.

00:29:58.920 No, I'm saying India, come. 1.00

00:30:01.780 Pakistan, come. 1.00

00:30:03.380 Come here.

00:30:04.260 Singapore, come.

00:30:05.420 If you are great at something, get here.

00:30:08.480 But if you don't mind, if you're a jihadi, I'm not that interested as it goes. 1.00

00:30:12.900 And if you're a Somali who doesn't want to work and whose eight wives aren't going to 1.00

00:30:16.040 work either, not that bothered about having you either.

00:30:19.040 If you're going to come across illegally via the channel and pretend you're Iranian, as 0.99

00:30:23.700 we've had 32 already this month, no, you're not going to come either.

00:30:27.380 Like some fairly basic principles about what might be good for my country.

00:30:30.960 And that's, I think, a little bit the makeup of Brexiteers.

00:30:34.380 We aren't actually these crazy racists.

00:30:37.120 We just really quite like some people here that want to work hard and do good things for

00:30:41.540 the country because we actually love this country.

00:30:43.880 Like I properly love my country.

00:30:46.380 I will.

00:30:47.180 I've signed up to fight for my country.

00:30:49.060 I couldn't do it because of my epilepsy.

00:30:50.300 And so I fight in another way now.

00:30:52.460 I love this place.

00:30:54.160 And if you aren't working and you think I want to pay for your health care, no, I don't. 0.93

00:30:59.200 Same with my problem with fat people.

00:31:01.040 If you aren't prepared to look after yourself, am I prepared to pay for you? 0.81

00:31:05.240 No, I'm not.

00:31:05.980 It's very basic rules for life.

00:31:08.240 Back to my rules.

00:31:09.340 What has changed from what you've seen the last 20 years with UK?

00:31:12.200 Yeah.

00:31:12.560 Oh, this place.

00:31:13.960 I don't even recognize the country I grew up in anymore.

00:31:18.860 I don't recognize it.

00:31:20.300 I can land at Heathrow.

00:31:21.460 People land at Heathrow and they say to me, I don't even know what country I landed in.

00:31:25.820 You walk down the street two blocks from here.

00:31:28.040 You won't know you're in the UK.

00:31:30.580 I mean, that is Lebanon up the road.

00:31:32.720 And there's no problem necessarily with that other than it isn't multicultural. 1.00

00:31:36.500 We don't have multicultural. 1.00

00:31:38.160 It's a word we just got given and we have to pretend it's real.

00:31:40.980 The UK is a nation of ghettos. 1.00

00:31:44.000 I could take you now in a car to the Somali quarter.

00:31:47.120 I can take you to the Afghan quarter.

00:31:50.200 I can take you to the Eritrean area.

00:31:52.960 We are completely divided and everyone brings those old enmities, old rows, old fights with

00:31:59.640 them.

00:31:59.840 I saw this in the migrant camp at Calais when I stayed there.

00:32:03.000 You don't arrive looking for a new life.

00:32:04.720 You arrive wanting to find what you had at home and you bring your old fights with you.

00:32:09.640 I don't recognize this country.

00:32:10.680 I get emails from elderly people, 87-year-olds, and this might be the first time they've gone

00:32:16.180 on their grandchild's email to write this.

00:32:19.300 And they say that they're glad that their time is nearly up because they won't have to

00:32:23.600 live to see their country fall.

00:32:25.760 That's the heart of this country is elderly people who don't want to live to see the end 1.00

00:32:30.720 point.

00:32:31.580 You know, that's where we're actually at.

00:32:33.320 How do you prevent that?

00:32:34.400 You know how you said if we have a point system and you have a point system to attract the

00:32:38.720 best talent from your doctor, your this, your job creator, your hard worker, come on

00:32:43.060 down, you score points or something like Australia and come down here.

00:32:45.380 Let's just say I do score high.

00:32:46.720 I'm still going to bring my hometown culture, etiquette, rituals.

00:32:52.960 I'm still going to bring that to yourself.

00:32:54.640 But we're joined by something then.

00:32:55.860 We're joined because we're joined by the ethic of work.

00:32:58.600 We're joined by needing to probably have a common language that we share at work.

00:33:02.380 We're joined by the fact that you want to bring your family and you want them to belong

00:33:06.200 as opposed to keeping your wife, plural, inside the house. 0.59

00:33:10.020 That's what we currently have here.

00:33:11.520 I mean, if you think about New York and L.A., right?

00:33:13.680 In L.A., you have Chinatown. 0.96

00:33:15.080 You have a town where it's all Armenians.

00:33:17.640 You have a town where it's, you know, all Hispanics.

00:33:19.980 You have a town.

00:33:20.420 You have Skid Row.

00:33:21.260 No one talks about that.

00:33:22.300 We have Skid Row.

00:33:22.320 Yes, we go to Skid Row.

00:33:23.400 We went to Skid Row for many minutes.

00:33:24.880 Skid Row is a whole different story.

00:33:26.060 New York, same.

00:33:26.880 Italians, Irish, right? 0.87

00:33:28.680 They have the same thing going on as well.

00:33:30.360 But if I'm coming, I'm coming to UK, hey, I want to be a citizen of your country one

00:33:35.180 day, but I'm a Muslim.

00:33:36.180 I'm a, you know, person that grew up Baha'i.

00:33:39.860 My religious beliefs aren't necessarily the Judeo-Christian beliefs that I have.

00:33:44.480 You don't mind that part.

00:33:45.460 You don't have a problem with that?

00:33:46.340 No.

00:33:46.360 Are you uncomfortable with Muslims coming to your country? 0.95

00:33:49.140 No, be what you want. 0.98

00:33:49.740 You can tell me you're a unicorn on Fridays and a vegan on Tuesdays.

00:33:53.680 None of those things matter.

00:33:54.800 They're just parts of who you are.

00:33:55.940 As long as we're joined by a vague respect for British values and a notion that you're

00:34:02.080 here to do this country good, there's no problem.

00:34:04.920 How do you know if I'm on the same page with your values?

00:34:07.620 Because work is a key.

00:34:09.560 Work is an ethos.

00:34:10.320 So you're engaging it based on work.

00:34:11.980 Work is an ethos to me that defines so many of the values that we, which we have in common

00:34:17.060 that make us who we are.

00:34:18.360 They make us get up in the morning, turn up, be vaguely civil, probably have a shower

00:34:22.480 at some point during one of those days, and try and learn a language that you can converse

00:34:26.840 with at your place of work.

00:34:28.240 Very fundamental things that we've lost in this country right now.

00:34:32.000 So what if, let me give you a completely different perspective.

00:34:35.200 Are you comfortable with this?

00:34:36.060 What if we do the point system and 300,000 Muslims from Saudi Arabia, from, let's just 0.72

00:34:43.520 say, Dubai, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, hardworking people who believe in entrepreneurship and

00:34:49.660 capitalism, they all score high on the point system that you have in place, but they're

00:34:53.880 all Muslim.

00:34:54.560 You're comfortable if 300,000 of them come here, you have zero problem with that.

00:34:58.560 Not zero problem.

00:35:00.020 There is a problem with that in the sense that I would need to be clear.

00:35:02.720 I would want to be clear with, if you're now representing 300,000 Muslims, we'll go

00:35:06.860 with that.

00:35:07.300 But I'm scoring high on your points.

00:35:08.540 Yes, and I've got that, and I love your points, but I'm going to let you know that Britain

00:35:12.160 is a Christian country with a Christian culture and a Christian heritage.

00:35:16.680 I'm going to let you know that you're free to practice your religion, but at no point 0.77

00:35:19.880 will your religion dominate my country. 0.99

00:35:21.880 At no point will your right to a mosque override my right to have an art centre that you've just

00:35:27.680 taken over.

00:35:28.380 You can't control it.

00:35:29.920 It's a tough thing.

00:35:30.780 It's what we're seeing here.

00:35:31.680 But what you can say is, as they are now doing with Gert Wilders, with the Freedom

00:35:38.020 Party, is to start to row back on the ability of the Muslim culture to completely take over 1.00

00:35:45.940 our own.

00:35:46.940 And that's something we're fighting against all the time.

00:35:49.120 Don't you think that?

00:35:49.800 I'm fighting that.

00:35:50.560 Don't you think that?

00:35:51.160 Single-handedly.

00:35:52.940 All by yourself.

00:35:53.860 Like this, like an angry woman in a paper bag. 1.00

00:35:56.700 Well, I mean, you and Nigel are on the same page on a lot of different things.

00:36:00.200 I have better teeth.

00:36:01.160 Just acknowledge that.

00:36:01.460 Yeah, I have better teeth.

00:36:02.060 That's it.

00:36:02.220 You made it very clear at the beginning.

00:36:03.780 Yes.

00:36:04.220 Isn't that part of the ambitious?

00:36:05.980 Like, if I'm more ambitious than you are, and I want my religion to grow more than yours,

00:36:11.620 you can't prevent that.

00:36:13.360 Well, I haven't been doing a good job of preventing it, but I need to do a better one.

00:36:16.640 So, I'm going to say to you, yes, okay, you can have an Eid message from Sadiq Khan, but

00:36:21.740 we're going to have a Christmas message from the Prime Minister.

00:36:25.160 Have you seen Theresa May's Eid message?

00:36:27.540 Literally this year.

00:36:28.820 She looked like she was in a hostage video. 0.79

00:36:31.360 She was literally thanking our British Muslims so hard, she looked like she was taken hostage

00:36:35.960 by Al-Qaeda.

00:36:37.040 How do you prevent that?

00:36:37.340 I was like, blink twice if you need help, Theresa, blink twice.

00:36:39.960 Even your mayor.

00:36:40.780 Think about your mayor.

00:36:41.660 I don't even want to think about my mayor.

00:36:43.400 How do you feel about your mayor? 1.00

00:36:44.420 As useful as tits on a nun. 1.00

00:36:46.640 Yeah, it's pretty useful. 1.00

00:36:49.100 Useless. 0.65

00:36:50.600 He is knife crime up by 75%, murders up by 82%. 1.00

00:36:56.340 He is the most useless mayor we have ever had, but because his voter base are Muslim and London 1.00

00:37:03.320 is a densely packed Muslim community, he knows he can get back into power. 0.99

00:37:08.100 He doesn't need to do anything but placate the Muslim voters who will vote for him.

00:37:12.600 Hence, we had an Eid party just over there down the road at Trafalgar Square.

00:37:16.820 A party thrown for his Muslim voter base because they'll vote for him. 0.98

00:37:21.460 But doesn't that mean the point system may not work?

00:37:25.500 Well, no.

00:37:25.900 It means that we need to do a much better job of defending our Christian culture.

00:37:30.020 And very clearly we've let that fall in the UK.

00:37:32.340 I think the Christian culture is more passive. 1.00

00:37:35.560 Yes, I agree with you.

00:37:36.760 I think the Christian culture.

00:37:37.560 I had a meeting with a group of pastors in, I think we were in Newport Beach is where we

00:37:42.140 were at, right?

00:37:42.760 And we got up and I started speaking to them about what I think the Christian churches are

00:37:46.560 not doing right.

00:37:47.340 I think there's a, they don't support each other anymore as much as they used to.

00:37:51.020 It's a lethargy.

00:37:52.080 It's very much of, no, my congregation, my congregation, my congregation, in our congregation,

00:37:57.300 we believe in sprinkle, we dip, we do this, you know, so many different things.

00:38:01.840 And the Muslim community sounds, they're more united than the Christian community.

00:38:06.160 And that's why they got, what, a billion and a half people around the world.

00:38:08.400 I don't know the exact number, but I think it's around 1.3 to 1.5 billion people around

00:38:12.100 the world.

00:38:12.760 I see more ambition there.

00:38:15.100 It is.

00:38:15.520 Than I see on the Christian side.

00:38:16.900 So I don't think this is a issue of religion, more the leaders at the top are not as ambitious

00:38:23.860 as the other ones.

00:38:25.180 So how can you, if it goes at this pace.

00:38:28.140 And it is going at this pace.

00:38:29.480 By the way, donations on Christian churches have been flat for a long time.

00:38:32.600 It's not going up.

00:38:33.460 The only denomination that's grown, not the only denomination, there's a few that are

00:38:36.180 grown, LDS Mormonism's grown very, very fast.

00:38:39.460 Their denomination, the way they support each other.

00:38:41.780 If you come out with a movie, I have to go watch it.

00:38:44.360 If you have a business, I don't see that with a Christian, but I see a lot of that with

00:38:47.180 the Muslim community.

00:38:47.960 Yeah, of course.

00:38:48.440 Of course.

00:38:49.380 Their plan, and you know, I've just seen someone put a GoFundMe up for another mosque to be 1.00

00:38:54.260 open in the upper reaches of Scotland, in some way out of the way island.

00:38:59.200 And you're uncomfortable with that.

00:38:59.540 I'm hugely uncomfortable.

00:39:00.820 But you can't stop it, though.

00:39:02.100 I'm hugely uncomfortable by the fact that they beat the target by an extraordinary amount,

00:39:05.780 which makes no sense.

00:39:06.860 And I'm uncomfortable about it because they're colonizing Scotland as well, in my personal

00:39:11.260 view.

00:39:12.040 Well, because I always want to ask Muslims, it's my big question. 1.00

00:39:15.240 You know, if Islam is so fantastic, why do Muslims always come to Christian countries 1.00

00:39:22.080 for refuge?

00:39:23.500 Why?

00:39:24.640 To convert.

00:39:26.340 I'm going to places that are non-convert.

00:39:28.080 I'm not a Muslim myself.

00:39:29.160 No, I'm not accusing you.

00:39:30.420 No, no, I'm processing it as a question to give you my own theory.

00:39:34.360 I'm coming to convert.

00:39:35.400 Why go to a place when there's all Muslim? 1.00

00:39:36.820 I want to come and convert you.

00:39:37.940 Yeah.

00:39:38.160 So then why do we let people in to convert our Christian culture? 1.00

00:39:43.760 At what point did we become appeasers?

00:39:45.600 At what point did we go from being Winston Churchill, blah, blah, blah, our darkest hour,

00:39:50.220 fight them on the beaches?

00:39:51.280 How do we go from that to all of those people out there right now that are happy to lie down,

00:39:56.280 let our country be taken over, give sovereignty to Spain, tell France it can fish in our waters?

00:40:01.620 What became of us?

00:40:03.400 Where are my strong men?

00:40:05.820 Where are my British men?

00:40:07.480 It's what Americans ask me all the time.

00:40:09.560 What happened to British men? 0.70

00:40:11.280 If I have to put it on somebody, isn't that the fault of the churches being united on the same page

00:40:15.640 to be just as ambitious and competitive to want to drive their message out?

00:40:18.600 Because in reality...

00:40:19.740 People like me who haven't been religious enough.

00:40:21.300 But think about it.

00:40:22.180 Think about this.

00:40:23.220 You believe in free enterprise.

00:40:24.560 Yes, of course.

00:40:25.020 You're pro-business, pro-capitalism.

00:40:27.740 Yeah, myself as well.

00:40:28.600 Ruthlessly so.

00:40:29.040 So competitive, it lets you who produces better product.

00:40:32.140 If you believe in capitalism and pro-competition,

00:40:35.480 isn't there an element of that in religions as well,

00:40:37.520 to see who's the most competitive to be able to convert the most people?

00:40:39.760 Because if that's the case, they're winning.

00:40:41.920 They totally are winning.

00:40:43.340 I'm very well aware of the fact that the Muslims are winning here in the UK.

00:40:46.780 It's the thing that's terrified me for the last 20 years.

00:40:49.500 The only difference is, of course, the Christian faith, 0.51

00:40:51.900 as well as being more apathetic and not fighting for our Christian culture

00:40:55.040 that so many of our forefathers did decide to defend,

00:40:58.360 is that our religious scriptures, our Bible doesn't actually go out

00:41:01.960 and tell us to kill non-believers.

00:41:04.260 You know, that's what those guys are reading. 0.95

00:41:05.900 And that's why it's been very disturbing for me

00:41:07.840 to see our daughters blown up just up the road here at Westminster Bridge,

00:41:11.440 to see our daughters blown up just up the road

00:41:13.500 and stabbed at dinner on London Bridge,

00:41:15.560 and to see all of our daughters blown up at Manchester at a concert.

00:41:19.280 That is linked to that religion,

00:41:20.840 whether they distance themselves from it or not.

00:41:22.800 And it terrifies me that my country has fallen.

00:41:26.360 And my message to America is always,

00:41:28.920 do not let yourselves fall as we have fallen.

00:41:32.480 Do not let yourself get to the point

00:41:33.840 where you're getting emails from 87-year-olds saying,

00:41:37.160 I'm glad that I will die before I see my country fall.

00:41:40.880 And I look at Minneapolis or mini-Somalia,

00:41:43.980 and I look at Minnesota and what you guys just did in your midterms,

00:41:49.260 and you can't see it coming that you just changed your rules on headwear

00:41:53.740 just like that, just like that.

00:41:55.520 Ilhan Omar walks in, boom, changed the headwear.

00:41:58.440 You know, that's the start point.

00:42:00.340 You start to submit, you will capitulate all the way.

00:42:05.100 That's how I feel.

00:42:06.280 And that's a good assessment you're making.

00:42:09.280 I think Europe is a testing ground for U.S.

00:42:11.480 Right, well, then be scared.

00:42:13.080 Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying.

00:42:14.440 If somebody's watching this,

00:42:15.740 first you test your methods here,

00:42:18.220 and then we're going to come to the big dogs,

00:42:20.100 big boys in U.S. and say,

00:42:21.680 hey, let's see if we can go against them.

00:42:23.100 That's almost what it seems like is happening.

00:42:24.240 And that's the message from South Africa.

00:42:25.700 I spent three weeks with South African farmers

00:42:27.640 being hunted off their land now.

00:42:29.620 You know, they say they have two years left

00:42:31.180 before there will be no whites in South Africa.

00:42:33.660 And the message from South African farmers is,

00:42:37.480 do not lay down your arms.

00:42:39.260 You know, they will come for your arms.

00:42:40.540 And, of course, the Second Amendment

00:42:41.740 is the thing that they come straight after.

00:42:44.540 Do not lay down your arms.

00:42:46.280 Well, you know, for me,

00:42:47.360 I'm a proud Armenian, proud Assyrian,

00:42:49.900 proud Iranian, and proud American.

00:42:52.040 It's like a bipolar relationship.

00:42:54.600 My parents are Christians.

00:42:56.380 I was born and raised in Iran.

00:42:58.360 There's a part of me that has affinity

00:43:00.440 connected to the Shah

00:43:01.680 and what the regime of Iran was at the time

00:43:03.640 where everyone around the world used to,

00:43:05.460 the rich people used to go to Iran and party,

00:43:07.040 and Frank Sinatra and, you know,

00:43:08.980 all these Elizabeth Taylor and their bikinis. 1.00

00:43:11.200 Yeah, I've seen that.

00:43:11.620 And the, you know, ambassadors dating Elizabeth Taylor.

00:43:14.480 And just, it was like one of those things.

00:43:15.860 I have a Persian boyfriend.

00:43:17.080 You know, there was a certain class,

00:43:19.240 a certain thing to it.

00:43:20.320 And I'm not saying it's not there today.

00:43:21.560 I'm dying to go back to Iran myself to experience it.

00:43:24.200 I want to go back and say,

00:43:25.260 I haven't been there since 89,

00:43:26.380 but I see some of that.

00:43:27.800 So why don't we transition to a different topic here?

00:43:29.720 Let's talk a little bit about your love

00:43:32.480 and passion and support for people who are overweight,

00:43:35.620 who are carrying some couple hundred pounds of baby fat,

00:43:38.760 you know, or stones, as you guys call it here.

00:43:40.880 Stones.

00:43:41.100 What did that come out of?

00:43:42.760 When did you start talking about that? 0.85

00:43:44.440 So I'm not a fan of fat people.

00:43:45.920 Okay, tell me why. 0.97

00:43:46.880 And I call them chubsters. 1.00

00:43:48.660 You've just been on a flight.

00:43:50.420 I mean, I'm sure your seat was lovely,

00:43:51.780 but, you know, when someone else carries their leg

00:43:54.780 on your leg on a flight

00:43:56.600 or someone's arm is on your arm in a flight,

00:43:59.640 that just makes the whole of my skin crawl.

00:44:03.180 What do you actually tell them

00:44:03.820 when they're sitting next to you?

00:44:04.540 Do you say something to them?

00:44:05.420 Oh, no, I go.

00:44:06.280 Yeah, I'm gone.

00:44:06.940 I ask for a different seat.

00:44:08.200 Yeah, I don't travel with someone else's body parts on me.

00:44:10.580 No, no, no.

00:44:11.120 I'll press the button and call for help.

00:44:12.680 I will say, sorry, this person.

00:44:14.040 How often do they help you out and they accommodate you?

00:44:15.700 Oh, they'll move me

00:44:16.460 because they can see I'll be a problem.

00:44:17.860 But I'll say this person, sorry,

00:44:19.400 next to me should have booked two seats.

00:44:20.820 They didn't.

00:44:21.660 Now they're taking up half of mine.

00:44:23.000 I need to be moved.

00:44:23.760 I'm straight up with that.

00:44:24.540 That's no problem for me because when I check in,

00:44:27.660 we have these budget economy airlines, I don't know.

00:44:31.000 And like when I check in a bag,

00:44:32.440 I have to pay like $30, right?

00:44:34.900 So look, you know, I'm 130 pounds.

00:44:38.380 I'm paying for my bag, which is probably 20 pounds.

00:44:42.100 I'm paying you, not you,

00:44:44.360 but someone who's very large like you,

00:44:47.140 who's like 250 pounds.

00:44:48.600 You're not paying for this

00:44:50.520 that you're carrying on with you.

00:44:52.280 But I've had to pay to check my bag.

00:44:54.760 Economically, we would both agree that model is flawed.

00:44:57.480 I am being penalized for being skinny.

00:45:00.240 So my view is that when you check in, you weigh in.

00:45:03.440 So you weigh in at check in

00:45:04.900 and you do a cumulative total,

00:45:07.180 you plus your bag,

00:45:08.740 me plus my bag,

00:45:10.200 and then you see if we need to pay. 0.99

00:45:11.860 So if you're a fat person with luggage, 0.89

00:45:14.580 you're going to pay more. 0.98

00:45:15.660 And that suits me fine.

00:45:16.420 And economically, that principle is correct

00:45:18.040 because you're internalizing the externality

00:45:20.600 of the fat person.

00:45:22.320 Second up, I'm 130 pounds to prove

00:45:25.260 because people say,

00:45:26.120 oh, you're so lucky to be skinny.

00:45:27.640 You're so lucky to be skinny.

00:45:30.240 You're so lucky to be skinny.

00:45:31.880 And I was like, no, I'm not. 1.00

00:45:34.340 If I sit on my ass, 0.99

00:45:35.940 what do you call this bottom? 1.00

00:45:37.500 Yep.

00:45:38.000 Bum?

00:45:38.860 You call it bum. 1.00

00:45:39.560 We call it ass. 1.00

00:45:40.380 Ass. 1.00

00:45:40.660 If I sit on my ass 1.00

00:45:41.760 and I shove food in my face, 1.00

00:45:44.640 I too can be fat.

00:45:46.260 And so I did.

00:45:47.500 So I put on half my body weight.

00:45:50.540 I put on 60 pounds in three months.

00:45:53.360 You did that?

00:45:54.000 Yeah.

00:45:54.560 I was huge.

00:45:55.980 And I took it off again in three months 0.91

00:45:57.500 to prove that fat people are lazy

00:45:59.580 so that I'm not lucky to be skinny.

00:46:01.880 But if I do what you do

00:46:02.940 and sit there,

00:46:03.540 oh, I can be fat too.

00:46:05.260 And I wasn't really fat.

00:46:06.360 It was called Fat and Back.

00:46:07.540 It was a documentary.

00:46:08.660 It won awards.

00:46:09.240 So let me ask you this.

00:46:09.980 So what do you say,

00:46:10.580 what do you actually tell people who you meet

00:46:12.640 that they say,

00:46:13.820 well, you know, it's a,

00:46:14.780 what's the word?

00:46:16.400 It's a genetic thing.

00:46:18.080 It's either a genetic thing.

00:46:19.280 It's something I struggle with.

00:46:20.500 I struggle with depression.

00:46:21.600 Runs in the family.

00:46:21.920 Runs in the family.

00:46:22.800 I take medication.

00:46:24.140 It's not my fault.

00:46:25.700 All the excuses.

00:46:27.480 That's why I did Fat and Back 0.52

00:46:29.140 to say I was on medication.

00:46:32.000 Christ.

00:46:32.540 For as an epileptic,

00:46:33.560 the meds you take are off the chart.

00:46:36.120 Big bones don't run in the family.

00:46:37.800 Like if I x-ray you,

00:46:39.480 your bones are the same size as mine.

00:46:41.020 That's just a fallacy.

00:46:42.380 When you say,

00:46:43.640 oh, I come from a big family.

00:46:45.300 Yeah.

00:46:45.760 That's because all your family

00:46:47.080 eat like elephants

00:46:48.200 and eat half the fridge on a Friday

00:46:49.900 because you're all fat together.

00:46:51.700 It's not that it runs in the family. 0.99

00:46:53.100 You're just all greedy.

00:46:54.460 Like get over it.

00:46:55.620 So it was just about

00:46:56.520 if you walk a bit more

00:46:58.020 and eat a bit less,

00:46:59.420 you'll lose weight.

00:47:00.640 And people did.

00:47:01.680 Have you heard of Lululemon?

00:47:03.000 The brand?

00:47:03.720 Yes, I have.

00:47:03.840 Okay, so I was with that.

00:47:04.800 Oh yes, it's that really nice stuff.

00:47:05.900 Yes, right?

00:47:06.520 Really nice stuff.

00:47:07.600 But you know the problem with that stuff? 0.94

00:47:09.420 Fat people put on that stuff.

00:47:11.900 They feel more comfy.

00:47:13.480 They eat more.

00:47:14.240 That's why if you're fat,

00:47:15.280 you should always wear a tailored trouser

00:47:17.540 because it will hurt your stomach

00:47:19.620 when you start stuffing your face.

00:47:21.720 A tailored trouser.

00:47:23.340 This is a tailored...

00:47:24.040 Because it doesn't stretch.

00:47:24.660 It doesn't stretch.

00:47:25.180 Yes.

00:47:25.580 And that's the thing I learned

00:47:26.880 when I was fat

00:47:27.640 is all of a sudden

00:47:28.660 you go into this weird wear

00:47:30.320 which is not really a size.

00:47:32.460 It just expands to fit.

00:47:34.700 You know what the founder said?

00:47:35.820 The Chip Wilson.

00:47:36.540 I was with him a few weeks ago.

00:47:37.900 Were they beautiful and thin?

00:47:39.460 Yeah, I mean he's in shape.

00:47:41.700 He's in his 60s.

00:47:42.820 He's in his 60s and he's in shape.

00:47:44.080 You try a fat person in Lululemon.

00:47:45.240 Doesn't look like it.

00:47:47.620 Not on brand.

00:47:48.860 I'm telling you.

00:47:49.780 Here's what he said.

00:47:50.780 He predicted, he said,

00:47:51.940 in 20 years

00:47:52.960 everyone's going to be in shape.

00:47:54.520 He says,

00:47:54.760 because we're creating

00:47:55.480 so much predictive analytics

00:47:56.640 that if you're not

00:47:58.620 everyone's going to know

00:47:59.760 why you're not in shape.

00:48:01.020 Yeah.

00:48:01.140 So that's his...

00:48:01.840 Well this is my big thing

00:48:02.780 because of course

00:48:03.360 this in an American sense

00:48:05.360 I sound jolly mean.

00:48:07.240 In a British sense

00:48:08.480 if you think that

00:48:09.240 I'm paying my taxes

00:48:10.280 into a national health service

00:48:12.160 I'm paying for you 1.00

00:48:14.680 if you're a fat person. 1.00

00:48:15.840 I'm paying for your new hip, 1.00

00:48:17.160 your new knee.

00:48:18.120 I'm paying for your gastric band

00:48:19.560 to try and stop you eating.

00:48:21.060 And I don't want to pay for that. 0.91

00:48:23.200 I don't mind if you're fat 0.97

00:48:25.220 and you want to pay for it. 0.89

00:48:26.780 I don't want to pay for it.

00:48:28.160 And if we just had

00:48:29.280 a social insurance system

00:48:30.840 where if you ran to work

00:48:32.820 you got points.

00:48:34.240 If you ate a salad

00:48:35.780 from this place

00:48:36.420 you got points.

00:48:37.360 If you cycled

00:48:38.080 or joined a gym

00:48:38.800 you got points.

00:48:39.860 And that way

00:48:40.200 you were incentivized

00:48:41.440 to keep, you know,

00:48:42.640 use an economic model

00:48:44.120 to drive good behavior.

00:48:45.740 That's what we do

00:48:46.140 at our office.

00:48:47.040 Everybody has one of these.

00:48:48.120 We bought one of these

00:48:48.740 for everybody

00:48:49.120 and we pay bonuses

00:48:49.800 every month

00:48:50.260 if you have steps

00:48:51.180 every month.

00:48:51.980 So what I know

00:48:52.580 is I come to work

00:48:53.640 and I'm seeing my guys

00:48:54.740 lunchtime.

00:48:55.440 They're walking one hour

00:48:56.400 and I'm like,

00:48:56.780 wow, look at this.

00:48:57.380 I lost 18 pounds

00:48:58.060 and I lost 28 pounds.

00:48:58.660 And you reward them for that.

00:48:59.460 Well, no, we pay bonuses.

00:49:00.580 You pay bonuses

00:49:01.420 for if they...

00:49:02.240 Every single month

00:49:03.120 we pay bonuses.

00:49:03.960 This is all I'm trying to say.

00:49:05.660 Would you employ someone

00:49:06.680 who was morbidly obese?

00:49:08.940 Would I employ someone?

00:49:10.260 So I no longer

00:49:11.660 hire everybody

00:49:13.360 at the support side.

00:49:14.120 Other people are.

00:49:14.900 But for me,

00:49:15.580 if I'm looking at an executive,

00:49:16.720 I will tell you,

00:49:17.720 if I see that you can't

00:49:19.000 handle your discipline

00:49:19.800 when it comes down

00:49:20.420 to your health,

00:49:20.880 I wonder if you can

00:49:21.460 handle discipline

00:49:22.020 under other areas.

00:49:22.960 Right.

00:49:23.300 Because I'm solving

00:49:24.620 for stamina and energy.

00:49:26.360 How long can you last?

00:49:27.520 I can't.

00:49:28.280 If you're going to get tired

00:49:29.140 at four o'clock

00:49:29.780 because you're dragging your...

00:49:31.560 Totally.

00:49:31.900 No, I...

00:49:32.600 So I tried this

00:49:33.800 on a breakfast sofa.

00:49:34.860 There was a very large lady 0.99

00:49:35.860 and I said,

00:49:36.840 well, I wouldn't employ you 0.99

00:49:38.280 because you're too fat, 0.99

00:49:40.100 because you wouldn't have 0.99

00:49:40.960 the stamina to run my day.

00:49:42.420 Sure.

00:49:42.720 And because at the end of the day

00:49:43.820 there may be an odour issue.

00:49:45.600 And because I said this

00:49:46.760 directly to a lady's face, 0.98

00:49:48.260 that was seen as being,

00:49:49.620 you know, hugely offensive.

00:49:51.420 Where I think, actually,

00:49:52.700 a bit of honesty

00:49:53.520 on the planet

00:49:54.600 would be a good thing.

00:49:55.560 We've come a long way

00:49:56.620 from being honest

00:49:57.560 in order to protect

00:49:58.860 people's feelings.

00:50:00.220 And that's not so good.

00:50:01.360 No, we have a lot of that

00:50:02.220 going on in the States as well.

00:50:03.260 So you briefly talked

00:50:04.520 about taxes.

00:50:05.180 Why don't we transition 1.00

00:50:05.760 to taxes a little bit?

00:50:06.740 Sure.

00:50:06.920 So how do you feel

00:50:08.520 about the current tax system

00:50:09.880 in the UK?

00:50:10.840 In the UK,

00:50:12.280 it's, for me,

00:50:13.420 I think we should be

00:50:14.400 massively reducing

00:50:15.440 our tax system.

00:50:16.880 The state is just getting

00:50:18.200 bigger and bigger

00:50:19.040 and bigger.

00:50:19.680 And therefore, of course,

00:50:20.540 the designs of the state

00:50:21.700 and the need to fund

00:50:22.520 the state

00:50:23.020 is getting more punitive

00:50:24.440 on people that work.

00:50:25.760 Because we've decided

00:50:26.780 to open our borders

00:50:27.800 to everyone

00:50:28.620 who wants to come here

00:50:30.040 from Afghanistan

00:50:31.200 and Somalia,

00:50:32.500 the burden

00:50:33.100 on a taxpayer like myself

00:50:34.580 is increasing.

00:50:35.700 We have an increasingly

00:50:36.500 elderly population

00:50:37.680 of fewer people working.

00:50:39.400 So unless we start

00:50:40.420 to majorly reward

00:50:42.060 entrepreneurial talent

00:50:43.960 and reward those

00:50:45.380 who run small businesses,

00:50:46.980 I fear, you know,

00:50:48.360 we're going to end up

00:50:49.200 in a situation

00:50:49.920 where we're still going

00:50:51.020 to carry on taxing

00:50:52.120 people to death

00:50:52.820 without ever rewarding anyone.

00:50:55.060 What is it right now?

00:50:55.820 What is the top line?

00:50:56.520 40%.

00:50:57.140 40%.

00:50:58.180 Yeah, so 40%

00:50:59.100 of your income

00:50:59.740 will just go.

00:51:01.140 Is that flat for everybody?

00:51:02.920 Whether I'm a 30 grand

00:51:03.720 or my kid?

00:51:04.280 No, no, no.

00:51:04.960 So it's a sliding scale.

00:51:07.260 Yeah, it's a progressive

00:51:08.480 tax system.

00:51:09.880 But if you're

00:51:10.360 a small business owner,

00:51:11.440 for example,

00:51:12.000 you know, that to me

00:51:12.600 is the engine

00:51:13.620 of this country.

00:51:15.060 That's the part.

00:51:15.960 You can't obviously

00:51:16.760 give tax breaks

00:51:17.420 to everybody.

00:51:18.000 I understand that.

00:51:18.760 But I think we should

00:51:19.500 be giving tax breaks,

00:51:20.980 tax incentives

00:51:21.620 to small businesses

00:51:22.620 because they're the ones

00:51:23.520 that struggle.

00:51:24.580 And I think some of

00:51:25.440 our employment models

00:51:26.920 as well,

00:51:27.640 your American system

00:51:28.720 is far better.

00:51:29.600 So you have hire at will,

00:51:30.700 fire at will.

00:51:31.520 We don't have that.

00:51:32.820 What do you mean?

00:51:33.140 So if we take on

00:51:34.440 an employee,

00:51:35.480 basically we've reached

00:51:36.240 a system where

00:51:36.800 the employee

00:51:37.440 has all the rights,

00:51:39.060 the employer has none.

00:51:40.660 So to take on

00:51:41.700 an employee

00:51:42.300 is almost like

00:51:43.600 a noose around your neck

00:51:44.880 because they're going

00:51:45.420 to be very hard

00:51:46.200 to move along

00:51:46.820 or get rid of

00:51:47.520 without them taking you

00:51:48.440 to a tribunal.

00:51:49.660 Literally.

00:51:50.200 Literally.

00:51:50.800 You can't do

00:51:51.320 what the Americans

00:51:51.960 can do.

00:51:52.460 California's like that.

00:51:53.100 California's like that.

00:51:53.960 They always see it

00:51:54.520 as a sort of,

00:51:54.980 oh, it's protective

00:51:55.640 for the employee.

00:51:56.660 Whereas, of course,

00:51:57.020 if you can hire

00:51:57.680 and fire at will,

00:51:58.700 you're more likely

00:51:59.380 to hire someone

00:52:00.420 as well,

00:52:01.040 which is always a thing.

00:52:02.260 And the second thing

00:52:02.920 that I think

00:52:04.120 in terms of a small business

00:52:05.100 and as a small business owner

00:52:06.420 is maternity laws. 1.00

00:52:09.060 I really like the laws

00:52:10.100 in the States.

00:52:10.800 I had my first pregnancy

00:52:11.980 in New York

00:52:12.740 and it was,

00:52:13.760 I think,

00:52:14.160 12, five weeks,

00:52:15.160 12 weeks unpaid leave,

00:52:16.440 I think is your maternity policy.

00:52:18.260 You say,

00:52:19.020 mm-hmm,

00:52:19.300 as if...

00:52:19.520 No, we've had many of them.

00:52:20.840 I think it's around

00:52:21.260 three months

00:52:21.760 that they've gone.

00:52:22.400 But your face is like,

00:52:23.820 mm-hmm,

00:52:24.060 that's normal.

00:52:25.380 Here,

00:52:25.960 you try saying that

00:52:27.020 somewhere in the EU,

00:52:28.900 you're stuffed.

00:52:29.740 So we have 12 months

00:52:31.180 leave for maternity. 1.00

00:52:33.080 Full-time pay,

00:52:33.580 and you're paying for...

00:52:34.000 You pay for,

00:52:34.720 well,

00:52:34.980 you're paying for

00:52:35.540 a massive proportion of that.

00:52:37.440 And now you have to give

00:52:38.240 paternity leave 1.00

00:52:39.100 for the father

00:52:39.760 who doesn't work

00:52:40.720 for you as well.

00:52:41.420 See,

00:52:41.680 but I think that actually

00:52:42.640 goes against women. 1.00

00:52:44.460 It indirectly hurts women. 1.00

00:52:45.800 Of course it does.

00:52:46.400 And the government's hurting them

00:52:47.560 because...

00:52:47.940 It legislates them

00:52:48.120 out of the marketplace.

00:52:49.420 If a business owner

00:52:50.260 is thinking about hiring somebody,

00:52:51.580 they're going to hire a male 1.00

00:52:53.600 who is not...

00:52:55.280 I know.

00:52:55.380 So that's interesting

00:52:56.800 and some of those policies

00:52:57.840 don't help them.

00:52:58.700 That's going to hurt them.

00:52:59.320 And the only way

00:53:00.360 to have this conversation

00:53:01.220 is with an American

00:53:02.680 who goes,

00:53:03.540 yes,

00:53:03.740 I get that.

00:53:04.480 You try saying this here

00:53:05.740 in Europe

00:53:06.340 and people are like,

00:53:06.940 wow,

00:53:07.340 she's just, 0.98

00:53:08.120 she's a misogynist, 1.00

00:53:09.580 she hates women. 1.00

00:53:10.980 But the truth is 0.98

00:53:11.940 for a small business,

00:53:13.140 a maternity

00:53:13.760 can completely crucify

00:53:15.260 your business.

00:53:15.600 So you're 490 days

00:53:16.760 is what you're saying.

00:53:17.420 Yeah, of course.

00:53:17.740 Okay.

00:53:18.240 And you chose to have a baby.

00:53:19.300 I didn't.

00:53:19.900 I'm your employer.

00:53:21.020 I didn't.

00:53:21.200 I mean,

00:53:21.520 great that you're going

00:53:22.000 to have one,

00:53:22.460 but A,

00:53:23.100 I don't want to see

00:53:23.540 the scam picture

00:53:24.300 and B,

00:53:24.920 I don't want to pay for it.

00:53:25.940 Thanks.

00:53:26.820 Never bring me

00:53:27.460 a scam picture.

00:53:28.560 Not interested.

00:53:29.560 What's your sales taxes here?

00:53:30.900 Sales tax in the UK

00:53:31.760 is 20%.

00:53:33.160 Sales tax is 20%.

00:53:35.080 20%.

00:53:36.380 You're not going to like that

00:53:37.300 as an American.

00:53:37.620 Let me put it to you this way.

00:53:38.640 We're 6 to 9%.

00:53:40.340 Your sales tax is 20%.

00:53:42.140 Our government is greedy.

00:53:43.780 But 20%?

00:53:45.480 20% on anything.

00:53:46.360 If I buy a car for $20,000,

00:53:47.780 I'm paying $4,000 sales tax in UK?

00:53:50.740 Yes.

00:53:51.040 Or if I'm needing a service,

00:53:53.120 obviously 20% will be added to that.

00:53:55.300 That's craziness.

00:53:56.780 Total craziness.

00:53:58.160 And if so,

00:53:58.600 you're now taxed,

00:53:59.460 you know,

00:53:59.620 you're taxed if you earn your money.

00:54:01.000 You work really hard.

00:54:01.960 You're taxed at 40%.

00:54:03.160 So you're taking home 60% of your money.

00:54:05.660 Then you go to buy a car

00:54:07.080 and you're going to lose 20% of your money,

00:54:10.320 again,

00:54:10.680 on the tax for that car.

00:54:12.040 So that's why the state

00:54:13.740 and the size of the state matters

00:54:15.460 because they're spending so much of our money.

00:54:17.280 I know that about it.

00:54:17.980 The bigger the government gets,

00:54:18.980 the more taxes they've got to keep 0.92

00:54:20.180 and the more taxes you have to pay.

00:54:22.420 And what do you get in return?

00:54:23.540 How strong is your military?

00:54:24.640 How great are your roads?

00:54:25.720 How great is your,

00:54:26.780 you know,

00:54:27.240 any kind of public stuff that they make?

00:54:29.140 And if you ask someone that,

00:54:30.740 you know,

00:54:30.860 the rest of the UK,

00:54:31.700 the Brexiteers,

00:54:32.460 my kind of people,

00:54:33.580 how great are your roads?

00:54:34.640 How great is your military?

00:54:35.980 How great are your hospitals

00:54:37.040 and your schools,

00:54:38.000 your public services?

00:54:39.280 How great are your police force?

00:54:40.500 The people in the UK will tell you

00:54:42.520 we are,

00:54:43.800 this is where we're falling.

00:54:45.540 This is where you can see

00:54:46.700 these services just disappearing

00:54:48.500 before our eyes.

00:54:49.460 Our military is all but gone.

00:54:52.000 I mean,

00:54:52.380 our biggest thing is whether

00:54:53.460 we can accept more trans people

00:54:54.960 into the military.

00:54:55.740 People are obsessed by that.

00:54:57.240 Our police spend their time

00:54:58.440 dressed in,

00:54:59.100 you know,

00:54:59.660 rainbow colours,

00:55:00.960 dancing at pride parades.

00:55:03.120 You know,

00:55:03.520 this need to be politically correct

00:55:05.980 is overwhelming us

00:55:07.780 to the point where

00:55:08.580 our services are so much diminished.

00:55:11.120 We've become

00:55:11.780 a shadow

00:55:13.400 of what we formerly were.

00:55:15.200 And I don't like to talk like that

00:55:16.220 about my country.

00:55:17.180 Yeah,

00:55:17.360 I mean,

00:55:17.780 obviously,

00:55:18.340 it's very obvious

00:55:18.820 you love your country.

00:55:19.880 Yes.

00:55:20.120 Even the way you talk about it

00:55:21.520 downstairs

00:55:21.920 and what you said earlier

00:55:22.820 when we started the interview

00:55:23.800 and the people.

00:55:25.600 The real people

00:55:26.280 in this country

00:55:27.120 are amazing.

00:55:28.760 But they don't have this voice.

00:55:31.160 And that's the hardest thing.

00:55:32.740 Who is that?

00:55:33.460 By the way,

00:55:33.860 who is the complete opposite

00:55:35.160 of what you're saying

00:55:35.920 that's the biggest proponent?

00:55:36.960 Like,

00:55:37.940 whose views are complete opposite

00:55:40.060 of yours?

00:55:40.700 Of mine?

00:55:41.180 Of yours.

00:55:41.980 Like,

00:55:42.320 total opposite.

00:55:43.440 Like,

00:55:43.720 if we have Ann Coulter,

00:55:44.920 we have Rachel Maddow,

00:55:45.980 right? 0.96

00:55:46.920 Hypothetically, 0.83

00:55:47.520 right?

00:55:47.740 Yes,

00:55:47.800 you do.

00:55:48.180 Who's the complete opposite?

00:55:49.860 Rachel Maddow crying

00:55:51.080 the other day.

00:55:51.820 Her false tears

00:55:52.620 killed me.

00:55:54.020 So, 0.98

00:55:54.320 yes,

00:55:54.540 if I'm Ann Coulter,

00:55:56.040 you would want 0.99

00:55:57.060 some crazy lefty 0.98

00:56:00.120 from the Guardian newspaper. 0.96

00:56:02.160 That's who you need.

00:56:03.140 Do you have a name?

00:56:03.780 Is there somebody

00:56:04.420 that I'd love to meet with her?

00:56:06.340 Oh,

00:56:06.540 there's a range.

00:56:07.400 So,

00:56:07.620 like a Polly Toynbee. 0.99

00:56:09.700 She's a lefty, 1.00

00:56:10.540 but she's not that interesting 0.86

00:56:11.480 and she's got bad hair. 1.00

00:56:12.840 I'm trying to think

00:56:13.400 of some kind of fun lefty.

00:56:16.000 Maybe a little chubby.

00:56:17.080 Qualifications

00:56:17.160 or good hair.

00:56:18.400 Maybe a little chubby 0.95

00:56:19.400 trans person. 0.99

00:56:20.660 Let's get a chubby 1.00

00:56:21.500 trans person of color. 0.99

00:56:22.800 No,

00:56:23.100 but the part I'm trying,

00:56:24.520 like,

00:56:24.740 we're reaching out

00:56:25.440 to Bernie Sanders.

00:56:26.160 I want to sit down

00:56:26.640 with Bernie Sanders.

00:56:27.100 He keeps saying no.

00:56:28.060 I mean,

00:56:28.260 we want to sit

00:56:29.060 with Bernie Sanders

00:56:29.660 because we,

00:56:30.240 like Gloria Allred

00:56:30.920 have a lot of respect

00:56:31.600 for her

00:56:31.800 because at least

00:56:32.520 she sat

00:56:33.280 and she faced up

00:56:34.520 and we had a conversation.

00:56:35.680 Yes,

00:56:35.920 Jerry Springer did.

00:56:36.840 A lot of them did.

00:56:38.140 But this is always the thing.

00:56:39.040 We never need to,

00:56:39.780 you know,

00:56:39.920 it's always my thing as well,

00:56:40.960 never need to agree.

00:56:42.520 Like,

00:56:42.700 so to be able to engage

00:56:43.860 in a conversation,

00:56:44.640 we never ever need to agree.

00:56:46.020 That's a universal thought I have.

00:56:48.220 So when people say to me,

00:56:49.520 I don't agree

00:56:50.220 with everything you say,

00:56:51.700 but I think you're this

00:56:53.240 or I think you're great

00:56:53.860 or I think whatever.

00:56:54.760 I always want to say,

00:56:55.720 but I never asked you to.

00:56:57.160 I never asked you

00:56:58.840 to agree with anything.

00:57:00.100 I said,

00:57:00.380 in fact,

00:57:01.080 when did it become

00:57:02.000 a precursor to debate

00:57:04.080 that we had to agree

00:57:05.520 on anything?

00:57:07.020 We never did.

00:57:08.140 And more people need

00:57:08.880 to kind of suck that up

00:57:09.920 as a message.

00:57:10.760 We don't need to agree

00:57:11.800 to be able to chat.

00:57:12.980 Yeah.

00:57:13.280 Yeah. 1.00

00:57:13.780 A crazy lefty in the UK. 0.99

00:57:16.000 Do you know, 0.98

00:57:16.360 the thing I'm really struggling

00:57:17.620 is because I just can't figure

00:57:18.720 anyone kind of dynamic

00:57:19.780 and fun and interesting.

00:57:22.840 Okay.

00:57:23.300 I don't want to offer up

00:57:24.260 somebody to you

00:57:25.000 that will be dull.

00:57:25.740 All the left are dull.

00:57:26.700 If you know anybody

00:57:28.500 in the UK

00:57:29.480 that meets the criteria

00:57:31.160 we are looking for,

00:57:32.800 send me a tweet.

00:57:34.360 You can tag both of us.

00:57:35.760 Anybody you think

00:57:36.340 in the UK.

00:57:37.500 Trans,

00:57:37.700 disabled,

00:57:38.440 claiming benefits.

00:57:40.060 Oh,

00:57:40.800 an immigrant asylum seeker

00:57:42.480 from Somalia

00:57:43.860 who's disabled,

00:57:44.960 doesn't speak English

00:57:46.040 and is claiming benefits.

00:57:47.960 That'd be a very short interview.

00:57:49.320 That is the opposite me.

00:57:50.080 Yeah.

00:57:50.660 Well,

00:57:50.940 that's what you get.

00:57:51.580 If you don't get me,

00:57:52.480 you get a short interview 1.00

00:57:53.460 with a dullard. 1.00

00:57:54.180 Final thoughts. 0.96

00:57:54.840 I'm going to give it to you.

00:57:55.540 What are your final thoughts?

00:57:56.420 Final thoughts on

00:57:57.460 how you view things

00:57:59.080 being in the future

00:57:59.900 in UK,

00:58:01.100 either a part of a paranoia

00:58:03.500 or optimism.

00:58:04.720 What are your final thoughts?

00:58:05.640 I have massive optimism

00:58:07.300 because I have the fight in me

00:58:10.040 and that isn't going anywhere.

00:58:11.400 no matter how much

00:58:12.280 they try and crush me

00:58:13.360 with the police

00:58:14.420 or they can take away my jobs

00:58:15.720 or my home,

00:58:16.460 I'm not going anywhere.

00:58:17.980 Two,

00:58:18.600 we are growing.

00:58:19.740 So the right is on the rise.

00:58:21.740 Gert Wilders,

00:58:22.860 Salvini in Italy,

00:58:24.380 the AFD,

00:58:25.660 Merkel's just been removed

00:58:26.860 from her post.

00:58:28.200 We are building Hungary,

00:58:30.440 Orban,

00:58:31.260 Poland.

00:58:31.940 All of these places

00:58:32.920 are saying no to the EU

00:58:34.280 and the populists

00:58:35.260 are rising up.

00:58:36.400 Three,

00:58:36.700 we have Trump.

00:58:37.700 We look to Trump

00:58:38.780 as some kind of hope

00:58:40.260 and inspiration.

00:58:41.260 Strong borders.

00:58:42.220 I love Trump.

00:58:43.120 I am going to marry Trump

00:58:44.100 one day.

00:58:44.660 Melania better watch out. 1.00

00:58:46.260 And so there's massive hope

00:58:47.700 and America,

00:58:49.100 and it's the reason

00:58:49.620 I commit so much time

00:58:51.260 to America

00:58:51.820 is because there's still

00:58:53.120 hope for America.

00:58:54.560 You have not fallen

00:58:55.520 as we have fallen.

00:58:56.880 You still have the right

00:58:57.940 to bear arms.

00:58:58.920 I'm a signed up member

00:58:59.840 of the NRA.

00:59:00.940 So you have

00:59:01.900 what I need you to defend

00:59:03.820 and I know America can

00:59:05.680 because America

00:59:06.600 will always believe in God

00:59:08.140 and the land

00:59:09.220 and those two things

00:59:10.640 will keep you strong.

00:59:12.160 So tremendous optimism

00:59:13.680 for me.

00:59:14.660 I love it.

00:59:15.280 So that's amazing.

00:59:16.680 I love seeing your optimism

00:59:17.640 in your country,

00:59:18.520 in the world,

00:59:19.000 and even other places.

00:59:20.000 I like the fact

00:59:20.760 that we had conversations,

00:59:22.200 we talked about things,

00:59:22.940 we agreed and disagreed,

00:59:23.960 and I can't wait

00:59:24.680 to have you back

00:59:25.300 on talking about other topics

00:59:26.480 when you're in the States

00:59:27.100 or when I'm out here.

00:59:28.180 Katie, thank you so much

00:59:29.020 for your time.

00:59:29.420 Thank you so much.

00:59:29.520 Really enjoyed it.

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Valuetainment - April 22, 2019

Episode 286： Katie Hopkins Rant On Brexit ｜ Sadiq Khan ｜ Merkel

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