Valuetainment - Episode 290： Ecstasy Kingpin Reveals His Experience with Mexican Mafia & Sammy The Bull

00:00:00.300 30 seconds. One time for the underdog. Ignition sequence start.

00:00:06.980 Let me see you put them up. Reach the sky, turn the stars up above.

00:00:11.120 Cause it's one time for the underdog. One time for the underdog.

00:00:17.280 I'm Patrick Bedeb, your host of ITIM, and today's sit-down is with Sean Atwood.

00:00:20.840 Sean Atwood used to be a stockbroker out of Arizona making a half a million dollar year income,

00:00:25.040 and all of a sudden he changed his entire life by getting into selling ecstasy.

00:00:30.160 And all of a sudden he started moving a lot of ecstasy where he ran into Sam in the Bull Gravano.

00:00:34.100 Anyways, there's a lot of lessons into this that you can learn. Enjoy today's interview with Sean Atwood.

00:00:38.480 Thanks for being with us here in Rally Tainment.

00:00:40.200 It's a pleasure, Patrick. Great to see you here in London.

00:00:42.420 Your story is very interesting, I gotta tell you.

00:00:44.320 Thank you.

00:00:44.900 So walk us through, before you became, you know, you got into this world, who was Sean Atwood in high school?

00:00:50.660 Well, decades before Bumping Heads with Sammy in the Bull, as a teenager in this country, I didn't grow up with much money.

00:00:56.740 But when I chose economics in my high school, only six of us chose it.

00:01:01.180 The teacher saw I had an aptitude for it.

00:01:03.240 He started giving me classes on my own, explaining the Financial Times, all the numbers, how the stock market works.

00:01:09.700 Then when I was 16, I went to my dad for money to invest.

00:01:14.440 He told me to bugger off.

00:01:16.720 I hit my nan up, and she gave me 50 pounds, like just under $100.

00:01:22.200 And I doubled it, first day of dealings on British Telecom share.

00:01:26.040 So I was hooked.

00:01:27.480 At 16?

00:01:28.040 At 16.

00:01:28.820 Telling all my mates in my little town, I'm going to go to America, make a million, fly all you guys over.

00:01:34.700 That was my dream.

00:01:35.860 So from there on, so at what point did you make it to the States?

00:01:38.540 Okay, so I went off to college, did A-levels, did business studies at uni, and then headed out to Arizona because I used to visit my aunts there as a kid, and it really dazzled me, the lifestyle in Arizona.

00:01:51.300 Arizona dazzled you, the lifestyle in Arizona.

00:01:53.520 I'm coming from a little chemical manufacturing town in the Northwest.

00:01:56.760 That makes sense.

00:01:57.480 Planes coming in, you see the swimming pools in the backyards.

00:02:00.000 Yeah, I get it.

00:02:00.720 By the way, let me ask you, personality-wise, high school, were you the good grade, were you the good kid, were you the popular kid, did you date the hottest girl, were you the athlete?

00:02:10.480 No, I was getting beat up by the rugby players.

00:02:12.800 I was one last to grow in size.

00:02:15.340 I had anxiety.

00:02:16.820 I almost got beat to death by some drunks, and that compounded my anxiety.

00:02:21.060 So when I went out to clubs and stuff, I wouldn't dance, I was too self-conscious.

00:02:25.140 I had this shyness.

00:02:26.020 When the rave scene began, I took ecstasy, wouldn't stop dancing all night long, wouldn't stop making friends with strangers, and that became my crutch.

00:02:34.240 Over 10 years, for over 10 years, I'm doing drugs.

00:02:36.480 People seeing this wild and crazy party animal, but I was self-medicating for PTSD from almost getting beat to death by these drunks.

00:02:42.740 Unbelievable.

00:02:43.580 Yeah.

00:02:43.960 And how did you get introduced to it the first time?

00:02:45.880 Was it just you went to a club?

00:02:47.300 Yeah, what happened was, in this country, in the 1980s, to get in a club, you had to dress in a suit and tie,

00:02:55.000 and it was very snotty, like, snooty, they wouldn't let you in the bouncer if you weren't dressed right.

00:02:59.820 The kids were sick of it.

00:03:01.000 They started breaking into warehouses, breaking into earth plane hangers, wearing all this colored clothing, and taking ecstasy,

00:03:08.200 and just dancing all night long at these illegal parties.

00:03:10.380 So it was like a revolution in music.

00:03:12.220 It was suits back in the days corner nightclubs.

00:03:14.480 Yeah, in the 80s.

00:03:16.380 And the kids were sick of, you know, you had to line up, and the bouncers would look at you, and if you're not dressed right, you're not getting in.

00:03:22.400 So we were like, you know, F that.

00:03:24.420 We're just going to start doing our own thing, breaking into warehouses, airplane hangers, wearing all these psychedelic colors, baggy jeans, British night sneakers.

00:03:33.620 British night sneakers.

00:03:34.880 Oh, my gosh.

00:03:35.500 I remember this.

00:03:36.080 So this is what year, by the way, this is what year would you say this is?

00:03:39.020 Late 80s?

00:03:39.300 This is late 80s, early 90s, because I went to Arizona in 91.

00:03:43.180 What happens when you go to Arizona?

00:03:44.660 I know you got into the stock market yourself.

00:03:46.320 How did that happen for you?

00:03:47.180 So I arrived in Arizona as an illegal alien.

00:03:49.480 I got no work visa.

00:03:51.100 Illegal alien.

00:03:51.400 Yep.

00:03:51.660 Okay.

00:03:52.040 Just got my student credit cards.

00:03:53.660 So I'm now in a race against running out of money on my student credit cards to make money.

00:03:58.840 Join a brokerage and quickly learn it's commission only.

00:04:02.660 They tell me I've got to do these classes for months to get my Series 7.

00:04:06.480 I said, I haven't got time to do the classes for the Series 7.

00:04:08.440 Put me in for it right now.

00:04:10.160 And then they said, well, all right, we'll take a chance on you.

00:04:12.860 It was like the guy running it was like a mafia kind of guy with his mannerisms.

00:04:17.880 I think they were hooked into the mafia.

00:04:19.420 This penny stock outfit it was that I just got my, that's how I got my foot in the door.

00:04:23.840 Penny stock outfit.

00:04:24.700 Yeah, like Wolf of Wall Street.

00:04:26.060 Yeah, he was also penny stock.

00:04:27.800 Smile and dial, mirrors on your quad.

00:04:30.580 You've got to be pacing with a 25-foot curly cord because pacing, smiling brokers make more sales.

00:04:36.760 You're only as big as your numbers to wrap on the board for the month.

00:04:40.360 Exactly like Wolf of Wall Street.

00:04:42.340 And that's the world you came out of.

00:04:44.020 I was, it was a baptism of fire.

00:04:45.680 I quickly realized what they were doing.

00:04:47.780 So talking about power moves, me and another rookie broker, we realized these guys were just putting people in chop stocks.

00:04:55.160 We got some newspaper articles about them, photocopied the entire accounts from the entire brokerage.

00:05:03.200 We were sneaking at night, photocopying all the accounts.

00:05:05.420 We jumped ship to a more stable outfit and took all of these accounts with us.

00:05:11.100 And so what happened then?

00:05:12.060 Well, they were threatening to, the guy, the boss, you know, he was, the threats were getting issued and we went out and bought guns.

00:05:18.100 Yeah, they were threatening to blow up my partner's car, some of these guys, yeah.

00:05:22.760 I mean, it's a competitive world if you're doing that.

00:05:25.900 So late at night, you're getting all the files, the clients, and you're calling them with another place.

00:05:30.220 Yeah.

00:05:30.420 But you're still doing penny stocks.

00:05:32.080 No, no, when we moved, we saw what those guys were doing.

00:05:36.440 So then we were like actually trying to make our clients money by putting them in the stocks like Motorola.

00:05:41.300 We had the brick cell phone and stuff like that, Intel.

00:05:44.320 So how well did you do?

00:05:45.260 People wanted to do high-risk investments, taking these clients over from the penny stock world.

00:05:50.500 So what I looked at was America West Airlines junk bonds.

00:05:54.880 They were trading 10 cents on the dollar and they went back up to par.

00:05:59.520 Yeah, so I did really well on them.

00:06:00.840 Didn't sell them at par, but sold them at 100% return.

00:06:03.180 Motorola was another good one.

00:06:04.580 Because of the brick cell phone, they were doing great as well.

00:06:06.520 They were going up consistently.

00:06:07.660 And so the point where my commissions, I was grossing half a million dollars a year in commission five years in.

00:06:12.640 I was the top guy in the office.

00:06:13.800 I had enough money to retire from it, but I was starting to get back into the party scene.

00:06:17.900 And I was thinking, do I want to go in the rat race and get up at five in the morning, six o'clock in the morning sales meeting, or just make money from the party scene?

00:06:26.660 And that excitement and greed took over.

00:06:29.160 First of all, which BD were you a part of?

00:06:30.560 What was the broker-dealer?

00:06:31.720 There was various ones over the years.

00:06:33.340 And the last one was Joseph Charles.

00:06:34.620 It was a clearing for Burr Stearns.

00:06:36.120 Got it.

00:06:36.620 Yeah.

00:06:36.760 Were you ever with a Morgan, Merrill?

00:06:38.920 Were you ever with any...

00:06:39.700 No.

00:06:40.040 Merrill offered me 100 grand to move over to them.

00:06:42.780 And because they wouldn't let me sell short shows, and they wanted me to buy their proprietary companies, I refused.

00:06:49.200 How did you get into the world where you said, what if I start selling?

00:06:52.920 Was that accidental?

00:06:54.260 Was it intentional?

00:06:55.480 How did that take place?

00:06:56.840 The rave scene has such a big impact on me in this country.

00:07:01.500 One of the goals I set was, when I make a million in America, I'm going to transfer that scene over to the Sonoran Desert.

00:07:08.360 And in the beginning, I am just buying pills because I've got so much money and showing off and giving them away to my friends.

00:07:15.360 This is the transition point now where I'm still in the stock market as a broker.

00:07:18.840 But then I'm seeing, you know, when you give away drugs for free, you attract a lot of friends.

00:07:23.020 And then I'm seeing the business potential of it.

00:07:25.720 The local dealers could only supply, you know, up to 100 pills at a time.

00:07:30.020 I found out they were getting them out of L.A.

00:07:32.560 So I thought, as an experiment, I'll buy 1,000 pills, see how long it takes to get rid of these.

00:07:38.280 They were gone in a weekend.

00:07:40.500 Yeah.

00:07:40.860 1,000 in a weekend.

00:07:42.100 Yeah.

00:07:42.420 So what were you buying them at L.A. for?

00:07:44.260 All right.

00:07:44.640 So this was before I really knew the full knowledge.

00:07:47.800 So in L.A., in the beginning, my first transaction was probably, I don't know, around $12 for 1,000 pills.

00:07:55.200 And they were going for $25 to $30 in the clubs.

00:07:58.280 So you're 2Xing them immediately.

00:08:00.380 Yeah.

00:08:00.840 So now, were you selling it yourself, Doth?

00:08:03.440 Were you moving the Thao yourself?

00:08:05.160 Or were you having other guys where you sell it $16?

00:08:08.420 You know, I make the $4 on it.

00:08:10.060 I'm talking right off the bat.

00:08:11.500 Now that's to become a business.

00:08:12.560 Right off the bat.

00:08:13.360 I've got my business partner, bodyguard with me, wild man, this huge guy from my hometown.

00:08:19.920 He's like my muscle.

00:08:21.260 And we're in an apartment he's in, he's moved into with some other people.

00:08:25.760 And we're throwing these parties every weekend.

00:08:27.900 And that was when we brought those 1,000 pills back and we just sold them all out through that party.

00:08:31.980 So you and another person sold 1,000 and...

00:08:34.620 Yeah.

00:08:34.940 People were coming and they just buy like 50 or 100 at a time.

00:08:37.560 And they just take them off to another party.

00:08:39.820 Yeah.

00:08:40.060 And they just went throughout the weekend.

00:08:41.520 So 12, 25 to 30.

00:08:43.880 You buy for 12, you sell it for 25 to 30.

00:08:45.920 So what did that weekend do to you?

00:08:47.300 Well, not all of them I would say went 25 to 30.

00:08:49.360 If someone buys 100, I'm giving them a deal.

00:08:51.800 Sure, of course.

00:08:52.560 But, you know, I'm seeing this fast almost doubling of my money.

00:08:56.540 And I'm thinking, I can just be doing this, kicking back, having the time of my life, you know,

00:09:02.440 just hanging out with wild and crazy night people or working all these long hours.

00:09:07.900 And I sacrifice my slow and steady progress.

00:09:09.880 How quickly was your transition away from production?

00:09:14.220 You know, was it like, was it immediate?

00:09:16.320 You were like, I can't even be seeing myself doing it.

00:09:18.940 Was it like a three to a six month process?

00:09:21.660 I was having so much fun and then going into the office so burnt out because of all of the

00:09:26.020 drugs I was doing.

00:09:26.760 I was doing up to 20 hits of XC on the weekend and throwing other drugs in the mix.

00:09:31.580 Even taking the Xanax didn't recover me properly.

00:09:35.760 I was getting so burnt out because of all the pills and the long hours.

00:09:39.140 I needed to sleep after the partying.

00:09:40.800 The transition was quite fast.

00:09:42.480 So what's fast?

00:09:43.340 One week, two weeks, a month?

00:09:44.760 Was it?

00:09:45.120 I think Wildman, before he got deported and banned for being a menace to society, was in

00:09:48.920 the country for a couple of months.

00:09:50.780 And it was during that, during his visit, was my transition.

00:09:55.020 A couple of months.

00:09:55.820 A couple of months.

00:09:56.440 Got it.

00:09:56.740 So you leave the BD.

00:09:58.580 You're not doing anything anymore.

00:10:00.080 What are they saying?

00:10:01.060 What are they thinking about you being gone?

00:10:03.060 Do they know what you're doing or not yet?

00:10:05.320 I'm sure some of the guys were partying with you.

00:10:07.440 It was such a big deal for me to just to go from one to the other.

00:10:11.440 I didn't even tell them.

00:10:12.560 And my parents actually called the brokerage and asked where I was.

00:10:16.400 And they said they'd heard I'd been, my car was found burnt out in Mexico, caused this

00:10:20.760 panic amongst my family.

00:10:22.260 From being this legitimate person to going into this criminal underworld, I didn't know

00:10:27.660 how to, you know, what to say to the BD people.

00:10:31.740 So I just ceased communication.

00:10:34.320 Were there any signs in high school of you doing creative activities where somebody would

00:10:41.840 say, I think one day he's probably going to be doing something like you were doing?

00:10:45.280 During lunch hour, I would run to the corner shop, buy sweets like pear drops and strawberry

00:10:51.700 bonbons and run back to the school and sell them for double the price.

00:10:56.740 And I'd also get like dinner coupons for them as well and get my dinner with the dinner coupons.

00:11:01.680 So sales, you've been selling for a while.

00:11:05.060 I've always had a natural sales personality.

00:11:08.780 Got it.

00:11:09.340 Even in high school.

00:11:10.360 So you're...

00:11:10.760 Even in high school, I was an entrepreneur, a budding entrepreneur.

00:11:13.120 Yeah, you did.

00:11:13.540 So wholesale to retail.

00:11:14.820 So now you have this weekend.

00:11:17.000 You tell yourself, I spent $12,000, I bought 1,000 pills, you know, I'm coming back, turning

00:11:23.060 these for 25 to 30 or if somebody buys 100 wholesale, say 20 bucks.

00:11:27.180 This was the easiest 10 grand I made in a weekend with your buddy, your, you know, bodyguard,

00:11:31.780 you know, your security.

00:11:33.400 From there, what are you thinking next?

00:11:35.380 Okay, I can scale it.

00:11:37.000 How soon did you start expanding to a whole different level?

00:11:39.620 We were getting them out of LA for a year or two.

00:11:44.140 And my demand in Arizona now is so high.

00:11:48.840 These guys out of LA can only provide 5,000 pills at a time.

00:11:52.480 So I figure out they're getting them out of Holland.

00:11:55.800 So I can't leave the country.

00:11:58.240 I start selling people over to Holland with testing kits you could buy from a website called

00:12:03.940 DanceSafe.

00:12:05.440 An ecstasy pill should be 100, 125 milligrams of MDMA and clay, usually like a beige color

00:12:11.460 or a faded color.

00:12:12.980 Often the pills that have got artificial stuff in them are colored, but sometimes the color

00:12:18.240 can just be food dye.

00:12:20.200 But the color is often a heads up.

00:12:22.120 And I was cognizant that if I'm selling tens of thousands of pills, someone could potentially

00:12:26.680 die.

00:12:27.100 It's extremely rare, but it's usually when there's a bad ingredient.

00:12:30.680 So my people took these testing kits and it changes.

00:12:34.460 It goes like a blue purple color.

00:12:36.320 So nobody ever died off the pills and they brought back such a pure product.

00:12:42.400 I was getting, you know, known as English Sean's pills, the Bank of England's pills.

00:12:46.540 It got to the point where the competition with their colored pills were saying, you know,

00:12:50.520 these are English Sean's.

00:12:51.840 They were trying to capitalize on my brand.

00:12:53.820 English Sean's.

00:12:54.680 Yeah.

00:12:55.160 Yeah.

00:12:55.460 So what was your biggest order you got from Holland?

00:12:58.820 Biggest order was 40,000 hits on one smuggling mission.

00:13:02.600 Yeah.

00:13:02.720 And this was before 9-11.

00:13:03.920 So don't try this at home if anyone's watching this.

00:13:06.960 But back then you could just put thousands of pills into your luggage in pillowcases or

00:13:12.300 screwed into computer towers and get on a plane.

00:13:16.440 I had one woman, she got on a plane with pills in vitamin jars, landed at Sky Harbor Airport,

00:13:23.780 got stopped, customs took her into a room, opened the luggage, put the pills on a table and said,

00:13:30.620 what are they?

00:13:31.100 And she goes, vitamins?

00:13:32.300 And they said, cool.

00:13:33.860 Put them back in the luggage.

00:13:34.960 I just said, have a nice day.

00:13:37.440 Yeah.

00:13:37.780 Unbelievable.

00:13:38.660 Yeah.

00:13:38.940 At the 40,000 mark, how much are you paying for them at that point?

00:13:41.800 At the peak of this now, in the late 90s, my organization is structured like a corporation.

00:13:48.160 So we've got heads of each faction under me, which vary from 10 to 20, depending upon what's

00:13:54.260 going on at that point in time.

00:13:55.820 So we've got 10 to 20 different factions over time.

00:13:58.060 So I'm fronting out now the heads of the organization up to 5,000 at a time, maybe at $10 or maybe

00:14:04.880 $8, depending on my relationship with that person.

00:14:07.980 They then front them out to their middle people at 15 or 20, depending upon how much they take.

00:14:13.220 And then they get sold into the clubs and to the raves at 25 to 30.

00:14:17.960 So if I'm bringing in 40,000 at $3 or less, $2, got to add in all the smuggling costs,

00:14:24.740 the transport costs and the legal costs as well.

00:14:26.740 So if I'm bringing them in, let's say no more than $3 and I'm getting 40,000 front them

00:14:31.580 out at 10, quarter of a million.

00:14:34.120 Quarter of a million per 40.

00:14:35.160 Yeah.

00:14:35.460 And how much were you, do you remember what you were moving per month?

00:14:37.800 Was it, like, what's your peak month?

00:14:40.100 So it was sporadic.

00:14:41.620 We had quarter of a million months, only like every, I don't know, every two or three months,

00:14:47.100 something like that.

00:14:48.240 But over time, it was four years I was doing this.

00:14:51.180 So it added up.

00:14:51.880 I wasn't dealing as many, as fast as Sammy the Bull.

00:14:54.980 But like the 10 people, he said over time, it was more than he dealt.

00:14:58.460 You ran for four years.

00:14:59.780 I think he ran for a year and a half.

00:15:01.200 Yes.

00:15:02.020 So you sold more than Sammy the Bull.

00:15:03.900 And at the time, he was also in Arizona.

00:15:05.820 Yes.

00:15:06.660 Did you guys ever face off?

00:15:07.740 Did you ever have a sit down?

00:15:08.760 Was there any meeting like the heat scene in the movie where Pacino and De Niro were sitting

00:15:12.780 and talking?

00:15:13.240 I locked down the Arizona rave scene because I was an early entrant and it was a lot of

00:15:20.020 competing little cliques.

00:15:21.840 Those little cliques would come to me as the Bank of England to lend money for the parties

00:15:26.980 and the drug deals, whatever.

00:15:29.240 Now, some of those little cliques had disputes.

00:15:31.460 So me and Wildman would mediate those disputes.

00:15:35.460 And, you know, in the end, we incorporated all these different little cliques into my

00:15:39.140 organization.

00:15:40.140 So I had the local people locked down.

00:15:42.440 All of a sudden, these new kind of ecstasy dealer started showing up in the club scene

00:15:48.160 and at the raves.

00:15:49.180 Like steroid head jocks.

00:15:51.320 You had the devil's dogs, these white supremacists.

00:15:54.440 I think they were out of Mesa or Chandler.

00:15:56.820 These big dudes.

00:15:57.900 And I'm like, you know, who are these guys stepping on my toes?

00:16:01.100 So we're all getting really curious because we had no idea where they were coming from.

00:16:05.220 Now, I was married to a woman.

00:16:08.400 She'd done a university degree, but she was also doing lesbian internet porn.

00:16:11.680 She had a bisexual lover, a female.

00:16:15.120 And she said, look.

00:16:16.080 Yeah, you knew of.

00:16:17.440 Yeah, yeah.

00:16:18.060 Yeah, I encouraged.

00:16:19.560 And she said, look.

00:16:23.740 Her girlfriend's boyfriend is one of these new dudes.

00:16:29.020 And he wants to meet you and discuss business opportunities.

00:16:32.300 So I still don't know who they work for.

00:16:34.220 So I take one of my bouncers with me.

00:16:36.900 Rossetti.

00:16:38.160 He's packing the gun to this nightclub.

00:16:41.100 And my wife.

00:16:41.940 And we go there.

00:16:42.540 And Rossetti hangs back with the gun.

00:16:44.600 They don't know he's with me.

00:16:45.680 This guy, the Spaniard, comes out and he goes, come into the VIP room.

00:16:49.160 I want you to meet my business partner.

00:16:50.960 I go back there on my own.

00:16:52.860 Rossetti slipped back as well.

00:16:54.000 He's watching me.

00:16:55.280 And then this massive, you know, six foot, six and a half foot plus guy comes out.

00:17:00.240 I'm sat down on a sofa between these two guys.

00:17:03.160 You're sitting between these two guys.

00:17:04.740 Yeah, the big guy told everyone to sofa to get the f*** out of the area really and leave the room.

00:17:10.200 And we sit down on this sofa.

00:17:11.660 And like I said early on, you know, I'm taking drugs because it makes me wild.

00:17:16.280 But inside, I'm this shy anxious person.

00:17:18.720 But I took GHB going in.

00:17:22.140 And the GHB is hitting me when we're sitting down on the sofa.

00:17:27.060 And he introduced me, the Spaniard and the other guy.

00:17:30.860 Mark, I think the other guy's name was.

00:17:32.360 So I just playfully grabbed both, grabbed over the knees, right?

00:17:38.040 Like, right here.

00:17:38.800 Big guy sitting next to you.

00:17:39.820 Yeah, as we're sitting down, I grabbed over the knees.

00:17:43.080 I'm thinking, you know, I'm English, Sean.

00:17:45.600 I've got a reputation to uphold with these guys.

00:17:48.700 I've got to show them I'm a bit of a crazy mofo.

00:17:51.280 So I grabbed their knees.

00:17:53.680 And, you know, they were looking like I was a bit crazy.

00:17:57.140 They were like, look, Sean, we're moving a lot of pills.

00:18:00.940 And we know you are.

00:18:02.240 And we know you're locked down with the local people.

00:18:04.620 You've got a good relationship with them.

00:18:06.520 How would you feel about moving pills?

00:18:08.600 Our pills will give you a good price.

00:18:10.940 And I said, look, I'm aware of you guys' pills.

00:18:13.760 They're those coloured pills.

00:18:15.000 I'm getting pills from Holland.

00:18:16.200 I've got a reputation to uphold.

00:18:18.320 I'm not going to mess around with these coloured pills.

00:18:20.300 A lot of them counter-fits made in America.

00:18:23.560 So the Spaniard, he was OK with it.

00:18:27.520 He was calm.

00:18:28.600 But the other guy, he was like,

00:18:31.640 who the f*** do you think you are disrespecting our pills?

00:18:36.040 One call to Sammy the Bull,

00:18:38.300 and we can have you taken out to the desert.

00:18:40.660 Now, I was aware of John Gotti and all that making news.

00:18:43.660 And I'm thinking, are these guys just talking shit?

00:18:45.700 What?

00:18:46.060 At this point, have you heard of the name Sammy the Bull yet?

00:18:48.840 From the John Gotti on the news?

00:18:51.060 No, I'm talking local Arizona that he's going up against you.

00:18:54.480 So you haven't heard Sammy the Bull?

00:18:55.360 I think maybe these guys are plastic gangsters

00:18:57.640 throwing this name out trying to scare me.

00:18:59.520 Got it.

00:18:59.820 But when I got out and told my bouncer,

00:19:02.960 he's like, hey, this is serious now if it is the bull

00:19:07.360 because he's murdered up to two dozen people.

00:19:10.540 So I'm high on GHB,

00:19:14.300 and this is starting to sink in a bit

00:19:15.760 as we're going out of there.

00:19:17.240 So how did that end?

00:19:18.320 How did that end with the movie?

00:19:19.120 All right, so it didn't end well

00:19:20.640 because I told him, look,

00:19:21.780 I'm staying with my people and doing my own product.

00:19:25.300 There's enough room for us to coexist,

00:19:28.300 but I will give you guys a heads up.

00:19:30.360 Since you guys have been running around

00:19:31.900 in the clubs and the raves

00:19:33.460 saying you're the biggest drug kingpins

00:19:35.280 since, you know, whatever,

00:19:37.940 a lot of heat has started to come to the scene.

00:19:40.700 Me and my security people are noticing

00:19:42.780 undercover cars with cameras,

00:19:45.540 taking pictures,

00:19:47.120 police coming in,

00:19:48.460 pretending to be from out of town,

00:19:49.760 trying to set up ecstasy deals.

00:19:51.600 Nothing like this was going on

00:19:52.840 before you guys came into town.

00:19:54.820 So they were like, all right.

00:19:55.780 Well, Spaniard was like, okay,

00:19:56.920 well, thanks for the heads up.

00:19:58.160 And I said, look, it's not each other

00:20:01.040 we've got to worry about.

00:20:02.000 It's the cops.

00:20:03.080 Eventually that proved accurate.

00:20:05.420 So let me ask you, at this point,

00:20:06.840 you said you went four years,

00:20:08.740 he went a year and a half.

00:20:09.700 Yeah.

00:20:10.040 At what part of your four was it that he got in?

00:20:13.100 98, 99, around then,

00:20:16.620 that those guys started popping up into the scene.

00:20:19.440 99 is when they started popping up in the scene.

00:20:21.440 I'm guessing.

00:20:22.100 Okay.

00:20:22.500 I'm guessing.

00:20:23.520 Got it.

00:20:23.800 So you've been going for a year,

00:20:25.800 year and a half

00:20:26.560 while they pop up in the scene.

00:20:28.320 Yeah.

00:20:28.780 Okay.

00:20:29.400 So you never had a face off directly with Sammy.

00:20:31.680 There was no...

00:20:32.260 What happened was,

00:20:33.920 well, I was getting protected by the New Mexican Mafia.

00:20:36.160 So I felt a fair degree of safety

00:20:37.980 because even with those guys coming into town,

00:20:41.120 the New Mexican Mafia were formidable.

00:20:43.220 I mean, these guys have got a lot of heavy duty stuff.

00:20:45.260 Like, I'm thinking,

00:20:46.200 these guys have got my back.

00:20:47.420 They're more powerful than these guys.

00:20:49.080 The drugs is telling me,

00:20:49.980 you know, you're comparatively safe.

00:20:51.440 But what happened was,

00:20:53.100 my bouncer, when we left that meeting,

00:20:54.620 said, how long will the piece last

00:20:56.500 if this is for real?

00:20:57.940 They lured my top sales guy, Skinner,

00:21:01.940 who was moving a lot of product for me,

00:21:03.800 to a nightclub in Scottsdale

00:21:06.000 under the pretenses of buying pills from him,

00:21:09.640 took him into the men's room,

00:21:11.500 knocked his teeth out,

00:21:12.620 took tens of thousands of dollars off him.

00:21:14.840 That was the heads up

00:21:15.820 that things were getting heavy.

00:21:17.700 Yeah.

00:21:17.840 I moved to Tucson after that.

00:21:20.240 How strong are you at this point?

00:21:21.780 Meaning, how deep are you at this point?

00:21:23.320 Not deep of movers,

00:21:24.980 deep of strength, power, street cred,

00:21:28.720 you know, enough gangs on your side

00:21:31.300 or the right muscle on your side

00:21:33.080 that people don't want to cross you.

00:21:34.460 My philosophy always was,

00:21:37.220 if this goes to the violence or murder level,

00:21:39.980 it's a whole new ball game.

00:21:41.640 The police are going to look at us differently

00:21:43.380 and then we're going to get sent down

00:21:44.940 for a lot of time.

00:21:46.300 Yeah, I've got the New Mexican Mafia behind me,

00:21:49.000 but utilizing that is going to cause me

00:21:51.060 even bigger problems in the long run.

00:21:52.880 Just the fact that they're behind me

00:21:54.100 and people know

00:21:54.880 is enough of a deterrent

00:21:56.500 to give me that street cred

00:21:57.620 and keep the debts getting paid.

00:21:59.760 So I moved over 100,

00:22:02.160 about 100 miles or so away to Tucson

00:22:03.940 in a million dollar house on a mountain

00:22:06.000 in a gated, guarded community, Sinvacus,

00:22:08.860 where you couldn't even get into that neighborhood

00:22:10.660 without going through a guard

00:22:11.860 who had to call the house.

00:22:13.120 Bill Bonanno was up there

00:22:14.540 and further along the mountain range

00:22:16.440 was Paul McCartney.

00:22:18.480 Very familiar with that area.

00:22:19.940 Yeah.

00:22:20.540 How beautiful, most beautiful place

00:22:22.280 I've ever lived in my life.

00:22:23.480 That's where people in Tucson want to live.

00:22:24.260 That's where the people in Tucson,

00:22:25.460 it's like a dream.

00:22:26.340 I would go to the mailbox

00:22:27.320 and there would be deer around the mailbox.

00:22:29.980 The lightning would bounce down the mountain

00:22:31.660 off the house.

00:22:33.000 And when there was the rain,

00:22:34.080 a waterfall would form

00:22:35.440 at the side of the house

00:22:36.220 in a little stream.

00:22:37.100 Oh, it was amazing.

00:22:38.840 So at this point,

00:22:40.200 you're by yourself.

00:22:42.000 No one's around.

00:22:42.680 Your wife's not around.

00:22:43.540 Your muscle's not around.

00:22:44.940 Your friends are not around.

00:22:46.000 The party scene's not around.

00:22:47.640 Your wife's girlfriend's not around.

00:22:49.060 No one's around.

00:22:49.760 You're by yourself.

00:22:51.020 What are you telling yourself?

00:22:52.200 Are you telling yourself,

00:22:53.720 Sean, you're in too deep.

00:22:55.340 You got to figure out a way to get out.

00:22:56.800 Or are you saying,

00:22:57.760 let's double down.

00:22:58.400 Let's go to another state.

00:22:59.360 What are you thinking?

00:23:01.040 I am thinking,

00:23:02.380 I'm safe now in Tucson.

00:23:04.520 I've got a right-hand man

00:23:06.000 who I trust with my life,

00:23:07.300 who I know will take a bullet for me.

00:23:08.760 Cody Bates.

00:23:09.440 He's dead now.

00:23:10.660 He was doing the rounds in Phoenix.

00:23:12.500 He had rented an apartment out

00:23:13.660 just for the cash.

00:23:14.480 Only me and him knew where it was.

00:23:16.460 So I don't even have to leave the house now.

00:23:18.260 Everything's just running automatically

00:23:20.040 while these guys are doing

00:23:21.740 whatever they're doing in Phoenix.

00:23:23.740 So I'm just trying to enjoy the money,

00:23:26.260 doing all this crazy stuff.

00:23:27.640 I've still got my security team,

00:23:29.180 my bouncers.

00:23:30.120 But what happened there

00:23:30.820 was a challenge to my dominance,

00:23:33.860 let's say,

00:23:34.560 when there was a situation

00:23:36.400 whereby my wife went on a mission

00:23:39.640 with one of my guys

00:23:41.520 and they ended up sleeping together.

00:23:44.220 Yeah.

00:23:44.760 So what happened there?

00:23:45.920 So we had to set an example there

00:23:48.680 and to make sure everybody

00:23:51.860 wasn't trying to overthrow me

00:23:52.900 because even my guy Skinner now

00:23:54.600 who was my top sales guy,

00:23:57.160 he was smoking sham

00:23:58.560 and crystal meth and crack

00:24:00.200 and because I'd moved out of Phoenix,

00:24:03.880 power play now,

00:24:05.660 he's thinking he's going to take over my business

00:24:07.800 with this other one of my security guys

00:24:09.960 and they're spreading words

00:24:12.340 that I'm going down

00:24:13.380 and that they're going to be taking over

00:24:15.460 and that my people needed to work for them.

00:24:17.800 So we had to get that in check.

00:24:20.180 What does that mean?

00:24:20.900 I can't comment any further on that.

00:24:24.240 Got it.

00:24:24.660 Yeah.

00:24:25.100 Got it.

00:24:25.580 So Cody,

00:24:26.700 Cody,

00:24:27.180 was Cody...

00:24:28.000 Cody Bates.

00:24:28.800 Right.

00:24:29.160 Cody Bates,

00:24:29.860 did he,

00:24:30.720 he's no longer around.

00:24:31.880 Did Cody Bates die when he was with you

00:24:33.520 or was it afterwards?

00:24:34.460 Other incidents.

00:24:35.020 Cody Bates,

00:24:36.880 the reason I made him my right-hand man

00:24:38.720 and head of the security team

00:24:41.540 was because he didn't get high.

00:24:43.380 So all,

00:24:43.900 me and all my friends

00:24:44.700 are running around like lunatics

00:24:46.160 on these club drug cocktails

00:24:48.280 and he's babysitting people,

00:24:50.080 taking people home,

00:24:50.960 making sure nobody's ODing

00:24:52.320 and stuff like that.

00:24:54.040 When I first met him,

00:24:55.360 he was suicidal

00:24:56.260 and we were like family.

00:24:58.660 So when we all got sent down,

00:25:00.880 he went back into that suicidal depression,

00:25:04.280 got on heroin,

00:25:05.620 self-medicating.

00:25:07.060 His family sent him to a rehab

00:25:09.960 run by Scientologists.

00:25:11.660 They put him on a drug

00:25:12.660 that had the side effects of suicide

00:25:13.980 and he hung himself.

00:25:15.600 At the Scientology Center?

00:25:17.060 Yeah, hung himself.

00:25:18.240 I wrote a book,

00:25:19.180 Party Time,

00:25:19.780 about all of that

00:25:20.760 and the publisher,

00:25:21.840 Random House,

00:25:22.440 made me contact absolutely everybody,

00:25:24.500 have them sign legal papers

00:25:25.900 to say it was accurate

00:25:27.180 and they wouldn't sue me

00:25:28.000 and they wouldn't sue the publisher.

00:25:29.680 And what I did was

00:25:30.480 I interviewed all these people

00:25:31.700 on Skype,

00:25:32.680 recorded the conversations

00:25:33.920 and there was so much more information

00:25:35.880 I'd forgotten

00:25:36.300 because I was so high

00:25:37.300 that I was able to put into the book.

00:25:39.200 What was the event

00:25:40.020 that led you to go into prison?

00:25:42.300 I'd actually quit

00:25:43.500 the importation of Exercy

00:25:45.660 a year before the SWAT team came.

00:25:47.420 I'd been married three times

00:25:48.820 and I'd met another woman.

00:25:50.080 She talked me out of it

00:25:51.320 and because things were getting so heavy as well

00:25:53.440 she was like,

00:25:54.020 look, this is really risky now.

00:25:55.860 It's dangerous.

00:25:57.100 The New Mexico Mafia guys,

00:25:58.840 they'd all got federal SWAT team raided.

00:26:01.080 I was almost at that house

00:26:02.140 as the feds came.

00:26:03.040 I was just dropping

00:26:03.760 one of the guys off actually.

00:26:05.960 Would have got caught up in that.

00:26:07.320 Sammy the Bull's crew got taken down.

00:26:09.440 In the beginning I'm thinking,

00:26:10.820 thanks cops,

00:26:11.480 you've took out the competition.

00:26:13.180 I should have been thinking

00:26:13.920 it's going to be me next

00:26:14.860 but the drug scrambles

00:26:16.060 your decision making processes.

00:26:17.840 It's telling you

00:26:18.520 you can get away with anything.

00:26:20.060 This woman talked some sense into me

00:26:21.680 and it was almost a year later.

00:26:23.560 I thought I got away with him.

00:26:24.840 I never got caught

00:26:25.720 doing a big drug transaction.

00:26:27.500 Never got caught

00:26:28.060 speaking about a big drug transaction

00:26:29.640 on the phone.

00:26:30.620 Never even got caught with any drugs.

00:26:31.720 But statute of limitations

00:26:32.960 in Arizona is seven years

00:26:34.280 so I had to accept

00:26:35.640 my karma cheerfully.

00:26:37.480 Ten witness statements

00:26:38.540 came forward

00:26:39.240 and SWAT team came

00:26:40.420 May 16, 2002.

00:26:42.120 How was that?

00:26:43.500 So I was back to

00:26:45.020 stock trading online.

00:26:48.000 I was enrolled in college.

00:26:49.320 Oh, you were back?

00:26:50.140 Yeah, I was trying to live

00:26:51.140 a normal life with this woman now.

00:26:52.380 Got it.

00:26:53.220 Yeah, I'm stock trading online.

00:26:55.540 I'm enrolled in

00:26:56.660 Spanish classes at college.

00:26:59.340 I'm up early in the morning

00:27:00.720 because Arizona time,

00:27:01.760 New York time,

00:27:02.620 stock markets open.

00:27:04.260 All of a sudden,

00:27:06.300 boots thudding up the stairs

00:27:07.720 of the apartment.

00:27:09.180 And then bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

00:27:11.200 So I jump up,

00:27:12.880 look through the peephole.

00:27:13.920 It's blacked out.

00:27:14.980 I'm thinking,

00:27:16.180 is it someone coming to rob me

00:27:17.660 posing as the police

00:27:18.600 who's found out

00:27:19.500 or is it really the police?

00:27:21.860 Go to the window,

00:27:23.120 police cars all over the place,

00:27:24.800 marksmen with rifles,

00:27:26.480 more boots coming up the stairs.

00:27:28.180 Go through to the bedroom

00:27:29.260 to my missus.

00:27:30.480 What are we going to do?

00:27:31.520 Better let them in.

00:27:32.880 Halfway through the living room,

00:27:34.220 I'll never forget it,

00:27:35.020 just boom.

00:27:37.140 Just this door

00:27:37.900 just flies off the hinges.

00:27:40.240 Hands above your head.

00:27:41.400 Don't move.

00:27:42.240 Get on the ground now.

00:27:43.780 So you see all those guns

00:27:45.860 open up in front of you.

00:27:47.660 Your heart almost,

00:27:48.540 my heart's speeding up.

00:27:49.460 I feel the sweat

00:27:50.280 coming on my heart.

00:27:51.040 It's almost reliving it right now.

00:27:54.400 You see those guns

00:27:55.660 and you're thinking,

00:27:57.160 your life is opening seconds

00:27:59.000 if they open up right now

00:28:00.200 and they're looking at you

00:28:01.180 like they want to put one in you.

00:28:02.740 So you just drop down real fast

00:28:05.180 and they crush you.

00:28:07.320 And the detective,

00:28:08.160 then after they crushed us,

00:28:09.120 the detective just

00:28:09.660 yanked me up by the cuffs.

00:28:11.500 And he was like,

00:28:11.960 English, Sean,

00:28:13.180 you're a big name

00:28:14.060 from the rave scene.

00:28:14.900 We've finally got you.

00:28:16.640 I'm sure this raid

00:28:17.680 is going to get you big charges.

00:28:19.120 And he's just talking

00:28:19.920 hella shit at me.

00:28:21.620 Yeah, because I had a nemesis

00:28:22.600 in law enforcement.

00:28:24.320 Yeah.

00:28:24.700 So what happens next?

00:28:26.020 So I'm thinking,

00:28:27.140 hey, you know,

00:28:27.840 I don't understand

00:28:29.320 the statute of limitations

00:28:30.240 at this point.

00:28:30.860 I do understand some things

00:28:31.820 that the New Mexico Mafia

00:28:32.780 schooled me on.

00:28:33.540 And I got the lawyer

00:28:34.460 that they recommended.

00:28:35.840 So I'm thinking,

00:28:37.580 there's no drugs.

00:28:39.180 They've not caught me

00:28:39.940 speaking about drugs

00:28:40.600 because I banned,

00:28:41.560 you know,

00:28:41.740 I wouldn't talk on phones

00:28:42.720 or anything over the years.

00:28:44.720 What can they do?

00:28:45.620 I'm naively thinking

00:28:46.480 they're going to say,

00:28:47.760 well, there was no drugs.

00:28:49.080 There's no charges.

00:28:49.840 We're going to let him go.

00:28:51.080 But they slapped on me.

00:28:52.980 You're familiar

00:28:53.380 with the Takashi 6ix9ine situation?

00:28:54.960 Of course.

00:28:56.160 It was the Arizona

00:28:57.420 state equivalent of RICO.

00:29:00.280 So now I've got conspiracy,

00:29:02.500 continuous criminal enterprise,

00:29:04.920 crime syndicate,

00:29:06.540 all these charges.

00:29:07.600 and I'm not versed enough

00:29:11.820 in law to understand

00:29:13.220 what they mean.

00:29:14.040 It became apparent

00:29:15.080 because all my money

00:29:17.260 was seized.

00:29:17.860 I had flown money,

00:29:19.080 people over from England,

00:29:20.380 put money in their names.

00:29:22.840 And the police

00:29:23.460 had put a virus

00:29:24.100 in my computer,

00:29:24.820 Netbus Trojan Horse,

00:29:25.820 to show me

00:29:26.180 where all the money was.

00:29:27.240 So they took

00:29:27.900 absolutely everything.

00:29:29.400 You or the people

00:29:30.420 you've flown from UK,

00:29:31.920 they took that money as well?

00:29:32.600 They took the money

00:29:32.980 that was in their names.

00:29:34.040 Everything.

00:29:34.660 Wow.

00:29:35.260 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:35.680 It was a multi-agency investigation.

00:29:37.340 They had software engineers

00:29:38.820 from Washington

00:29:39.440 doing all this stuff

00:29:40.460 with wiretapping my computer.

00:29:42.320 I had to call my parents

00:29:43.820 and say,

00:29:45.340 look,

00:29:46.180 I need money for a lawyer

00:29:47.200 and that was,

00:29:47.800 you know,

00:29:48.200 I'd structured it

00:29:49.620 so if I got arrested,

00:29:50.660 my friends would bail me out.

00:29:51.580 They had money.

00:29:52.480 Cops outsmarted me.

00:29:53.760 They arrested all of us

00:29:54.880 together.

00:29:56.200 So you have nobody

00:29:56.900 to call by your parents.

00:29:57.820 How was that phone call

00:29:58.640 like,

00:29:58.860 call a mommy and dad?

00:30:00.960 It was one of the lowest

00:30:01.740 points of my life.

00:30:02.680 Just to hear

00:30:06.000 the heartbreak

00:30:08.980 in their voices,

00:30:10.900 to hear,

00:30:11.960 to feel

00:30:13.500 how sick

00:30:14.500 they're feeling

00:30:15.540 that their son,

00:30:16.980 who was a child

00:30:17.720 protege,

00:30:18.520 stock market guy,

00:30:20.080 they'd come over

00:30:20.680 and visited

00:30:21.040 my million dollar house

00:30:22.120 and I told him

00:30:22.700 I was doing

00:30:23.020 all stock trading.

00:30:24.760 So I have to be like,

00:30:25.560 look,

00:30:26.040 here's what's gone down

00:30:26.940 and,

00:30:27.400 you know,

00:30:28.500 if I don't get money,

00:30:29.480 basically,

00:30:29.960 I'm probably never

00:30:30.440 going to get out

00:30:31.020 because it got to the point

00:30:32.000 where I was facing

00:30:32.400 the 200 year maximum sentence.

00:30:34.980 You got 200 year

00:30:36.180 maximum sentence?

00:30:37.220 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:38.000 Wow.

00:30:38.940 Yeah.

00:30:39.200 And similar to

00:30:40.060 what you're saying

00:30:40.540 with Takashi,

00:30:41.660 because he got 50,

00:30:42.620 they're talking 50,

00:30:43.560 you got 200 years.

00:30:44.180 Yeah,

00:30:44.540 there's a lot of people

00:30:45.260 on YouTube right now

00:30:46.080 talking about Takashi

00:30:46.940 and they have no idea

00:30:48.320 what they're talking about.

00:30:48.940 Even the hip-hop channels,

00:30:50.520 they're saying

00:30:50.940 his trial's going to be

00:30:52.200 next year in September.

00:30:53.640 He's going to get

00:30:54.280 at least a minimum

00:30:54.920 of 30 years

00:30:55.480 because that's his minimum.

00:30:56.960 The justice system

00:30:57.760 is completely

00:30:58.520 Alice in Wonderland.

00:31:00.260 Those figures mean nothing.

00:31:01.940 What will happen is

00:31:02.880 the prosecutor,

00:31:04.260 over time,

00:31:05.440 will plea bargain

00:31:06.700 with these guys.

00:31:07.640 It won't even go to trial.

00:31:09.040 That trial date,

00:31:09.960 if it,

00:31:10.540 you know,

00:31:11.040 is probably going to get

00:31:11.740 moved multiple times.

00:31:13.040 They'll be in court

00:31:13.640 every month

00:31:14.100 filing motions,

00:31:15.060 each side going back and forth.

00:31:16.600 And you don't have to snitch.

00:31:18.460 In my case,

00:31:19.340 what we did,

00:31:20.220 I met an old-timer

00:31:21.560 who was doing life

00:31:22.700 and he said,

00:31:23.380 look,

00:31:24.160 get a good lawyer

00:31:24.980 and do what's called

00:31:26.500 a united front.

00:31:27.740 So in my case,

00:31:28.660 I had over 100 people

00:31:29.680 arrested with me.

00:31:31.140 Only four agreed

00:31:32.280 to cooperate.

00:31:33.280 We had a united front

00:31:34.560 under Alan Simpson,

00:31:36.280 who was the lawyer

00:31:36.900 that the New Mexican Mafia

00:31:38.220 had represented.

00:31:39.640 And Sammy the Bull's case,

00:31:41.240 57 people were arrested,

00:31:43.400 approximately,

00:31:44.320 all agreed to testify.

00:31:45.700 So I think,

00:31:48.260 because we had

00:31:48.660 this united front,

00:31:50.420 hardly anybody snitched,

00:31:52.040 it really frustrated

00:31:53.160 the prosecutor.

00:31:53.840 Over 26 months,

00:31:54.860 they pulled out

00:31:55.340 every dirty trick

00:31:56.620 in the book on me.

00:31:57.660 I mean,

00:31:58.560 I was at the point

00:31:59.280 where I was about

00:31:59.700 to kill myself

00:32:00.620 in the jail.

00:32:01.120 It got so rough.

00:32:02.120 But at the end,

00:32:02.920 at the end of the day,

00:32:04.380 me,

00:32:05.420 I was the head

00:32:05.940 of the crime syndicate.

00:32:07.360 Wild Woman was number two,

00:32:08.600 Wild Man's,

00:32:09.480 woman out of Liverpool.

00:32:10.800 Wild Man was number three.

00:32:12.600 And none of us

00:32:13.520 got more than 10 years.

00:32:14.600 So I thought that was,

00:32:16.040 at the end of the day,

00:32:16.980 that was really good.

00:32:18.120 Because of the loophole

00:32:19.060 my lawyer got

00:32:19.740 as a first-time

00:32:20.640 non-violent drug offender,

00:32:22.360 non-U.S. citizen,

00:32:24.720 I ended up serving

00:32:25.560 just under six years.

00:32:26.900 Just so,

00:32:27.440 what you're saying is,

00:32:28.360 you think similar things

00:32:29.160 are going to happen

00:32:29.520 with Tekashi 6ix9ine?

00:32:30.280 Yeah,

00:32:30.520 what will happen

00:32:31.020 with Tekashi 6ix9ine

00:32:32.040 right now?

00:32:32.920 The prosecutor

00:32:33.680 will have organized

00:32:35.400 the criminal organization,

00:32:38.020 the crime syndicate,

00:32:39.080 in level of importance.

00:32:40.740 So,

00:32:41.320 maybe Tekashi

00:32:42.240 will be B

00:32:43.100 under Shotty.

00:32:44.840 Maybe Shotty

00:32:45.460 will be A.

00:32:46.720 Or maybe it will be

00:32:47.400 the other way around

00:32:47.920 just because they want

00:32:48.460 to get Tekashi

00:32:49.060 because he's the big headline

00:32:49.960 that will enhance

00:32:50.740 their careers.

00:32:51.860 So they will then say

00:32:52.820 to everybody,

00:32:54.240 like F and K

00:32:55.860 and L,

00:32:56.860 they'll say to F,

00:32:57.440 K and L,

00:32:58.080 look,

00:32:58.380 you guys are small

00:32:59.100 down here,

00:32:59.780 you're facing life sentences,

00:33:01.340 you're all co-conspirators,

00:33:02.760 you all go down

00:33:03.380 for each other's crimes,

00:33:05.020 you guys testify

00:33:06.180 against these guys

00:33:07.400 and we'll let you

00:33:08.480 do time served.

00:33:09.680 That's generally

00:33:10.480 what they'll say

00:33:11.060 and that's what

00:33:11.420 they were saying

00:33:11.780 in my case.

00:33:12.680 Now,

00:33:13.220 they've separated

00:33:14.180 Tekashi 6ix9ine,

00:33:15.320 there's all this speculation

00:33:16.080 saying he's snitched already,

00:33:17.280 he's gone to prison

00:33:17.840 for snitches,

00:33:18.840 none of that is verified.

00:33:20.860 I think it's far too early

00:33:22.560 probably for any of these guys

00:33:24.020 to just roll over

00:33:25.160 to the prosecutor.

00:33:26.320 Shotty's obviously

00:33:27.140 worried about it

00:33:27.820 because in court

00:33:28.340 he's yelling out

00:33:29.040 don't fall,

00:33:29.900 don't bend

00:33:30.280 in front of the judge

00:33:31.200 which is a really bad idea,

00:33:33.040 that's not a good strategy.

00:33:35.140 I had a situation

00:33:36.220 like that happen

00:33:36.740 in my own case.

00:33:38.020 Now,

00:33:38.640 if you're forming

00:33:39.340 a united front,

00:33:40.520 how are you going to get word

00:33:41.400 through the prison system

00:33:42.380 to your co-defendants

00:33:43.580 not to snitch?

00:33:44.900 Well,

00:33:45.500 they've separated Tekashi

00:33:46.600 so it looks like

00:33:47.340 he's snitching

00:33:47.940 so psychologically

00:33:49.240 that will work bad

00:33:50.420 against the other co-defendants

00:33:51.420 but you can get

00:33:52.280 what's called

00:33:52.860 kites,

00:33:54.080 these are letters

00:33:54.820 sent by trustees

00:33:55.780 throughout the jail system

00:33:56.860 who will send a letter

00:33:57.500 from Tekashi

00:33:58.300 in this prison

00:33:58.900 over to that prison.

00:34:00.460 There's religious services.

00:34:02.240 My guys,

00:34:03.100 we had the whole

00:34:03.900 two back rows

00:34:04.560 of the religious services.

00:34:06.240 We would all

00:34:06.780 give each other our hugs

00:34:08.160 and I'd update them

00:34:08.920 on all the legal news.

00:34:10.420 The other thing is

00:34:10.940 if Tekashi's in a separate prison,

00:34:12.720 when he goes to court

00:34:13.900 with his co-defendants,

00:34:15.560 they're going to be

00:34:16.100 in a row of holding cells

00:34:17.320 right outside

00:34:18.260 of the courtroom.

00:34:19.460 Kites can be passed

00:34:20.340 from cell to cell

00:34:21.460 through trustees.

00:34:22.260 They can stay tight,

00:34:24.340 they can get the word out

00:34:25.420 that they're doing

00:34:26.180 a united front.

00:34:27.440 Tekashi's got the money

00:34:28.260 to get such a high-priced lawyer

00:34:29.740 to fight back.

00:34:31.340 These low-level guys

00:34:32.220 are thinking,

00:34:32.660 right,

00:34:32.860 we've got no money.

00:34:33.980 We've got scumbag

00:34:34.860 public defenders

00:34:35.860 who just want us

00:34:36.440 to sign plea bargains.

00:34:37.840 These guys have got the money

00:34:38.920 to get high-priced lawyers.

00:34:40.460 They're just going to let us

00:34:41.440 end up getting,

00:34:42.360 you know,

00:34:42.900 we're going to have

00:34:43.440 no legal representation.

00:34:45.020 But Tekashi right now

00:34:46.020 needs to get the word out

00:34:47.120 we're doing a united front.

00:34:48.620 I'm paying for a high-priced lawyer.

00:34:50.440 I'm not snitching

00:34:51.400 and hope that everybody

00:34:52.640 stays tight

00:34:53.340 because once people

00:34:54.120 start to snitch,

00:34:55.660 then the sentence

00:34:56.980 will go up

00:34:57.520 for the people

00:34:57.960 who are highest

00:34:58.580 in the organization.

00:35:00.800 So what happens?

00:35:01.580 Walk us through.

00:35:02.740 You're going to prison.

00:35:04.080 How was that like?

00:35:05.060 I mean,

00:35:05.280 who were you?

00:35:06.520 What prison did you go to?

00:35:07.780 What level?

00:35:08.340 Can I give us

00:35:08.960 a little bit of that story?

00:35:10.000 So because I hadn't

00:35:11.720 cooperated with the prosecutor,

00:35:12.980 they pulled out

00:35:13.480 every dirty trick in the book.

00:35:15.100 So my first year

00:35:16.240 in the jail,

00:35:17.800 I've got this united front

00:35:19.120 telling everyone

00:35:19.780 not to agree.

00:35:21.080 So the prosecutor's like,

00:35:22.040 how can we get him away

00:35:23.020 from his co-defendants?

00:35:24.780 Let's get him over

00:35:25.660 to maximum security

00:35:26.580 because all my co-defendants

00:35:27.760 are in minimum

00:35:28.200 and medium security.

00:35:29.460 Now how she did that,

00:35:30.760 she knew I was applying

00:35:31.880 to get my bail reduced.

00:35:33.860 My bail was $750,000

00:35:35.700 cash only.

00:35:37.680 She sabotaged

00:35:38.640 the bail hearing.

00:35:40.180 Very crafty,

00:35:41.280 these prosecutors.

00:35:42.800 She filed additional charges

00:35:44.340 and with an additional

00:35:46.440 $750,000 bail.

00:35:48.220 So the judge,

00:35:49.060 did he not only

00:35:49.980 reduce my bail,

00:35:51.360 he maintained

00:35:52.180 my original bail,

00:35:53.420 accepted the new bail,

00:35:54.800 which made my total bail

00:35:55.840 $1.5 million.

00:35:57.060 When your bail goes

00:35:57.880 over a million,

00:35:58.820 you're automatically

00:35:59.560 reclassified

00:36:00.440 to maximum security.

00:36:02.020 So that's the guideline.

00:36:03.440 Yeah.

00:36:03.740 So that's how I ended up

00:36:04.660 my second year

00:36:05.600 in maximum security.

00:36:07.540 Now by the end of that,

00:36:08.480 that's where they're telling me,

00:36:09.780 look, you're going to get

00:36:10.640 200 years

00:36:11.220 because every time

00:36:12.480 you spoke about drugs

00:36:13.300 on the phone

00:36:13.740 carries five to 10 years.

00:36:14.740 And this isn't deals,

00:36:15.780 this is just personal

00:36:16.580 small stuff.

00:36:18.140 If we go to trial

00:36:19.320 and lose,

00:36:19.980 we can stack that

00:36:20.860 up to a maximum

00:36:21.440 200 year sentence.

00:36:22.860 And they made it clear

00:36:23.900 there was a guy before me

00:36:24.920 out of Tucson,

00:36:26.460 a dealer.

00:36:28.220 He had a similar case.

00:36:29.740 He refused to sign

00:36:30.640 a plea bargain

00:36:31.180 for 15 years

00:36:31.920 and he went to trial

00:36:32.920 and they gave him 200.

00:36:34.620 200 years?

00:36:35.380 200.

00:36:36.260 Every charge

00:36:37.100 carried 10 years maximum

00:36:38.520 and they stacked

00:36:39.840 all of his charges.

00:36:40.780 They didn't run them

00:36:41.760 concurrently,

00:36:42.600 they run them consecutively.

00:36:44.100 The justice system

00:36:45.020 is a business model.

00:36:46.420 If you go to trial,

00:36:47.300 it costs the state

00:36:48.200 hundreds of thousands,

00:36:49.420 millions.

00:36:50.380 They want everyone

00:36:51.180 to sign a plea bargain

00:36:52.040 and go over

00:36:52.400 to the prison system

00:36:53.160 just to bow down.

00:36:54.660 98% of the cases

00:36:56.140 go to plea bargain.

00:36:57.820 That's it in Arizona.

00:36:59.120 98.

00:36:59.660 Only 2% exercise

00:37:00.760 the right to a trial.

00:37:01.960 If everybody exercised

00:37:02.900 the right to a trial,

00:37:03.560 the system would collapse.

00:37:04.440 It couldn't afford

00:37:05.000 to do all the trials.

00:37:06.020 Got it.

00:37:06.380 So that's how I ended up

00:37:07.420 in the highest security levels

00:37:09.040 because the prosecutor

00:37:10.440 just had it in for us

00:37:12.440 because we wouldn't cooperate

00:37:13.800 like Sammy the Bull's people.

00:37:15.360 And so that kind of

00:37:16.280 didn't favor you

00:37:17.020 because they were hoping

00:37:17.840 you would.

00:37:18.560 They were hoping

00:37:19.080 that we would.

00:37:19.640 They thought we would

00:37:20.360 because Sammy the Bull's

00:37:21.100 people all did.

00:37:22.020 They couldn't understand

00:37:22.800 why we were so tight.

00:37:25.280 But what happened

00:37:25.860 was over the years,

00:37:26.680 you know,

00:37:26.880 I'd known these guys

00:37:28.220 for years.

00:37:28.720 I'd grown up

00:37:29.060 with some of them.

00:37:30.060 People were scared

00:37:30.660 of Wild Men

00:37:31.240 and the New Mexican Mafia

00:37:32.180 guys with us.

00:37:33.040 You know,

00:37:33.220 we were just all

00:37:33.820 in the jail.

00:37:34.680 We were one of the biggest

00:37:35.220 groups in the jail.

00:37:36.580 Everywhere we went,

00:37:37.220 we were all hugging

00:37:37.760 each other

00:37:38.220 and updating each other

00:37:39.080 and everything.

00:37:39.920 Even people that

00:37:40.800 didn't know me,

00:37:42.400 the prosecutor

00:37:43.060 was getting them

00:37:44.120 to sign Exhibit A.

00:37:45.720 People in my case

00:37:46.640 that I didn't know

00:37:47.500 saying,

00:37:48.720 you bought your drugs

00:37:49.700 from Atwood.

00:37:50.220 You were working

00:37:50.680 for Atwood

00:37:51.160 because the prosecutor

00:37:52.220 just makes stuff up.

00:37:53.180 They don't care.

00:37:53.640 They've got nothing to lose.

00:37:54.460 They've got absolute immunity.

00:37:56.260 So whatever they say,

00:37:57.720 they portray people

00:37:59.080 and doing things.

00:38:00.400 A lot of time

00:38:00.880 that legal paperwork

00:38:01.640 is utter bullshit

00:38:02.540 because they just

00:38:03.080 want to put you

00:38:03.560 in the worst light.

00:38:04.420 They made me out

00:38:04.960 to be the Antichrist.

00:38:05.780 So they've got

00:38:06.720 all these people

00:38:07.240 who don't even know me

00:38:08.100 signing Exhibit A.

00:38:09.440 One guy,

00:38:10.280 Chicano gang member,

00:38:11.300 he was in court

00:38:11.900 with Exhibit A

00:38:12.440 and he says to the judge,

00:38:13.240 look, your honor,

00:38:14.440 I have no idea

00:38:15.260 who Atwood is

00:38:16.040 and the prosecutor

00:38:16.620 is telling me

00:38:17.160 to sign this.

00:38:18.620 It's like,

00:38:18.820 get back to the cells.

00:38:20.120 So you're in prison.

00:38:22.520 You've never been

00:38:23.340 in prison before.

00:38:24.060 I'm assuming

00:38:24.380 this is your first time.

00:38:25.640 So what are you thinking?

00:38:27.240 Who do I team up with?

00:38:28.500 Oh my goodness.

00:38:28.980 Who do I go to?

00:38:29.880 Who do I associate myself with?

00:38:30.880 I've seen Shawshank Redemption.

00:38:32.700 So you go in there

00:38:33.700 and it's all racially divided

00:38:35.800 and it's the whites,

00:38:37.820 the blacks,

00:38:38.320 the Mexican-Americans.

00:38:39.980 So right away,

00:38:41.100 some skinheads

00:38:41.820 from the Neo-Nazi Aryan

00:38:42.980 brother would come up to me.

00:38:44.220 Hey,

00:38:45.180 we want a word with you

00:38:46.420 getting that cell over there

00:38:47.980 because I've been put in Tower 6.

00:38:49.760 I wasn't with my co-defendant

00:38:50.840 at this point in time.

00:38:52.360 So I go into the cell,

00:38:54.340 close the door behind me.

00:38:56.300 Biggest one gets in my face.

00:38:57.640 He's like,

00:38:57.980 what are your charges?

00:38:59.240 What are your charges?

00:39:00.360 Now,

00:39:00.740 I mentioned my charges to you.

00:39:01.720 I said earlier

00:39:02.080 I didn't understand

00:39:02.760 what all that meant,

00:39:03.560 conspiracy and everything.

00:39:04.940 So I said to him,

00:39:05.600 I don't understand

00:39:06.280 what my charges mean.

00:39:08.320 That is not a good answer.

00:39:10.040 Now they think

00:39:10.700 I've got something to hide.

00:39:12.480 So they got me

00:39:13.040 against the wall

00:39:13.520 about to smash me.

00:39:14.780 What do you mean

00:39:15.420 you don't know

00:39:15.820 what your charges mean?

00:39:16.700 Are you a chomo?

00:39:17.380 Are you a chomo?

00:39:18.780 I don't even know

00:39:19.760 what a chomo is at this point.

00:39:21.560 Chomo is child molester.

00:39:23.100 Yeah.

00:39:23.760 So I pulled out

00:39:25.320 my charge sheet.

00:39:26.700 They saw I was in for drugs.

00:39:28.260 The main business of the gang

00:39:29.360 is selling drugs

00:39:30.020 to the prisoners.

00:39:30.800 So they loved that.

00:39:32.040 They saw my bail

00:39:32.760 was $750,000.

00:39:34.480 They were like,

00:39:35.360 damn,

00:39:36.520 are you guys the mafia?

00:39:37.760 Who did you guys kill?

00:39:39.360 And I was like,

00:39:40.000 no,

00:39:40.400 just raves,

00:39:41.280 ecstasy.

00:39:42.000 Then they explained

00:39:42.660 the rules you got to follow.

00:39:44.540 If someone calls you a punk,

00:39:46.120 a bitch,

00:39:46.580 or hits you,

00:39:47.560 fight them on the spot,

00:39:48.680 those whole gang will smash you.

00:39:50.240 Must take showers,

00:39:51.480 they'll smash you for bad hygiene.

00:39:53.080 Can't go and make your friends

00:39:53.900 with the guards,

00:39:54.460 they'll smash you for snitching.

00:39:55.860 Can't sit at the tables

00:39:57.040 with the other races,

00:39:57.720 they'll smash you for that

00:39:58.620 and so on and so on.

00:40:00.400 Yeah.

00:40:00.760 So it's giving you the lowdown?

00:40:02.100 Giving you the lowdown right away.

00:40:03.640 You sit in the wrong place.

00:40:04.880 It's all over.

00:40:06.760 What do you mean by that?

00:40:07.340 What do you mean by that?

00:40:07.920 It's all over

00:40:08.360 if you sit in the wrong place?

00:40:08.880 If you sit with the other races

00:40:10.100 or if you go to the white's table

00:40:12.360 and sit on like the head dude's seat

00:40:14.520 because you just think

00:40:15.660 you're getting your lunch

00:40:16.940 and that is how it works,

00:40:18.900 you're going to get your head smashed

00:40:20.080 into a toilet.

00:40:21.900 Yeah,

00:40:22.400 yeah,

00:40:22.640 yeah,

00:40:22.840 just like that.

00:40:23.760 I had to get used to the sounds

00:40:24.900 of heads getting bashed

00:40:25.680 against toilets in there.

00:40:27.100 Bodies getting thrown around.

00:40:28.740 So who did you go with

00:40:29.920 at that point?

00:40:30.740 Well,

00:40:30.820 you've got no choice.

00:40:32.220 They tell you

00:40:33.000 this is how it works.

00:40:34.920 You're white.

00:40:35.940 You know,

00:40:36.440 if we have a meeting,

00:40:38.140 you come to the white boy meeting,

00:40:40.260 you sit with the whites,

00:40:42.220 you're in your cell,

00:40:43.240 you're supposed to have

00:40:43.760 white cellmates.

00:40:44.940 No,

00:40:45.100 white supremacists

00:40:46.120 or not white supremacists?

00:40:47.220 This is just white.

00:40:48.200 This is the Aryan Brotherhood

00:40:49.440 prison gang.

00:40:51.020 Got it.

00:40:51.480 They've got the swastikas,

00:40:52.600 they've got the lightning bolts,

00:40:53.620 they've got the warbirds.

00:40:55.460 Yeah,

00:40:55.860 they completely control

00:40:57.300 the prison system

00:40:57.980 for the white race.

00:40:58.980 Were you required

00:40:59.640 to get any of the tattoos

00:41:00.640 and to symbolize

00:41:01.680 that you represented them?

00:41:02.840 There's only a few

00:41:03.340 actual equivalent

00:41:05.340 to made men,

00:41:06.420 gang members,

00:41:07.660 shot callers

00:41:08.340 and probates

00:41:09.480 and to join the Aryan Brotherhood,

00:41:11.960 for example,

00:41:12.680 the probates

00:41:13.480 got to collect the debt,

00:41:15.740 beat someone up,

00:41:17.200 get your SS lightning bolts,

00:41:18.580 get your Swazi.

00:41:19.940 To be a full member,

00:41:20.700 you've got to murder someone

00:41:21.520 in the jail for them.

00:41:22.740 Oh,

00:41:22.900 you had to murder someone

00:41:23.740 to get a full...

00:41:24.780 Yeah,

00:41:25.140 blood in,

00:41:25.520 blood down.

00:41:25.760 So when you were in,

00:41:27.340 you were in how many

00:41:28.040 different types of prisons?

00:41:29.300 Wow,

00:41:29.800 over the course

00:41:30.540 of this whole thing,

00:41:31.940 I was in two remand jails

00:41:36.340 and then in the Arizona Department,

00:41:39.440 that was my first 26 months,

00:41:40.900 and then over the Arizona Department

00:41:41.900 of Corrections,

00:41:43.180 about four or five

00:41:44.060 different prisons

00:41:45.000 and then finally

00:41:46.420 a deportation facility.

00:41:48.680 Now,

00:41:48.940 I actually did time

00:41:49.760 in super maximum security

00:41:51.060 where I wasn't supposed to be

00:41:52.560 and that was because

00:41:54.140 the prosecutor,

00:41:56.300 a final farewell

00:41:57.160 just to mess with me,

00:41:58.580 after I was sentenced,

00:42:00.340 she accidentally

00:42:01.480 put my nine and a half

00:42:03.600 year sentence down

00:42:04.320 as 34 years

00:42:05.520 on the paperwork

00:42:06.140 to the prison system.

00:42:08.400 Your nine and a half

00:42:09.500 to accidentally

00:42:10.300 she put it down

00:42:11.400 as 34?

00:42:11.700 Yeah,

00:42:12.040 just to mess with me.

00:42:13.120 So I got fast-tracked

00:42:14.180 to supermax.

00:42:15.640 How was that?

00:42:17.260 Well,

00:42:17.780 looking back now,

00:42:18.460 I'm glad that

00:42:18.940 she did all this stuff

00:42:19.780 because it's created

00:42:20.420 a more extreme story.

00:42:22.540 So,

00:42:23.280 supermax,

00:42:24.540 my cellmate

00:42:26.180 was,

00:42:27.200 he had like a pentagram

00:42:28.400 tattooed on his forehead,

00:42:30.480 part of a cult

00:42:31.260 that's doing,

00:42:32.900 drinking blood

00:42:33.380 and doing human sacrifice.

00:42:35.780 Yeah,

00:42:36.680 yeah.

00:42:37.320 This is who you were in with?

00:42:38.720 This is in super maximum security.

00:42:40.000 Super maximum security

00:42:40.600 is killers,

00:42:41.880 serial killers,

00:42:42.980 death row,

00:42:44.700 shitslingers.

00:42:45.940 There's a whole row

00:42:46.820 of shitslingers

00:42:47.580 because you can't settle

00:42:48.820 your disputes

00:42:49.380 in supermax

00:42:50.020 with fists

00:42:50.460 because you're locked

00:42:50.940 in your cell.

00:42:52.220 They weaponize crap.

00:42:54.220 So the basic method

00:42:56.120 of that

00:42:56.540 is a chicken bone

00:42:58.100 blowpipe,

00:42:59.800 crap on the chicken bone.

00:43:01.280 You're going past the cell.

00:43:03.080 They dart you.

00:43:04.520 Chicken bone

00:43:05.020 gets into your blood system.

00:43:06.760 Your blood circulates

00:43:07.700 the crap throughout

00:43:08.540 your,

00:43:09.000 your damages

00:43:10.000 your immune system.

00:43:11.760 And two thirds

00:43:12.880 of these guys

00:43:13.380 have got hepatitis C

00:43:14.300 just from

00:43:14.720 sharing dirty needles.

00:43:16.380 That's the basic method.

00:43:17.880 The Rambo

00:43:19.220 of the shitslingers

00:43:20.020 was this guy

00:43:20.460 called Magnum

00:43:21.280 and he would let

00:43:22.820 the shit,

00:43:24.220 piss concoction,

00:43:25.200 he would leave it

00:43:25.600 for days

00:43:25.960 until mold grew on it

00:43:27.300 and he rigged

00:43:28.420 his cell up

00:43:29.020 with like

00:43:29.620 crap Uzis.

00:43:31.140 He'd make

00:43:31.740 shampoo bottles

00:43:32.780 into bazookas

00:43:34.400 with tubes on them

00:43:35.860 and then

00:43:36.940 when a guard

00:43:37.660 goes past

00:43:38.220 or the staff

00:43:38.880 or a prisoner

00:43:41.360 he just opened

00:43:43.800 fire on them

00:43:44.560 and they came in

00:43:46.000 they stripped him out

00:43:46.860 took everything

00:43:47.320 out of his cell

00:43:47.840 put him in a dry cell

00:43:48.980 naked

00:43:49.520 handcuffed

00:43:50.520 and they figured

00:43:51.580 that was it

00:43:52.060 he wasn't going to be able

00:43:53.080 to get them that day.

00:43:54.800 They'd underestimated

00:43:55.760 his resolve.

00:43:57.040 Magnum stood

00:43:57.840 at the front of that cell

00:43:59.140 with molten crap

00:44:01.000 in his mouth

00:44:01.780 and when the guard came

00:44:03.680 and Magnum unleashed

00:44:05.980 the molten crap

00:44:06.820 the guard was so surprised

00:44:09.280 and shocked

00:44:10.100 he raised his mask up

00:44:11.440 and some of the crap

00:44:12.520 went up his nose.

00:44:15.700 Yeah.

00:44:17.180 Yeah.

00:44:17.940 So you've seen

00:44:18.660 some interesting things

00:44:19.640 at the super maximum.

00:44:20.800 How long was it?

00:44:21.580 How long were you

00:44:22.100 at the super maximum?

00:44:23.520 I was in the super maximum

00:44:24.520 about three or four months

00:44:25.480 before my sentence

00:44:26.240 got fixed by my lawyer

00:44:27.640 to what it should have been

00:44:28.560 in the first place.

00:44:29.320 So Sean,

00:44:29.700 how many different levels

00:44:30.520 are there?

00:44:31.000 prison system

00:44:31.920 in the US?

00:44:32.540 I've been at every

00:44:33.220 security level

00:44:34.160 from super max

00:44:35.720 to minimum.

00:44:36.360 How many are the levels

00:44:37.360 from the minimum

00:44:38.040 to super max?

00:44:38.960 It depends on

00:44:39.920 whether it's federal

00:44:40.620 or state

00:44:41.540 and how many prisons

00:44:42.700 the system has got

00:44:43.600 so there might be like

00:44:45.080 and the UK is different

00:44:46.260 from the US

00:44:46.980 but in general

00:44:48.260 this is a generalization

00:44:49.660 you could say

00:44:50.100 there's minimum,

00:44:52.020 medium,

00:44:53.200 maximum,

00:44:54.520 super maximum

00:44:55.160 but there's all kinds

00:44:56.480 of other types

00:44:57.320 of facilities as well

00:44:58.100 such as lockdowns

00:44:59.020 and things like that.

00:44:59.840 Got it.

00:45:00.160 Yeah.

00:45:00.280 So when you're in prison

00:45:02.400 I mean I'm hearing

00:45:03.540 there's access to everything

00:45:04.940 you can buy drugs

00:45:05.980 you can buy steroids

00:45:06.900 you have phones

00:45:07.500 you can buy

00:45:08.100 what was the biggest commodity?

00:45:10.440 What was the most expensive?

00:45:11.740 Drugs.

00:45:12.140 Drugs.

00:45:12.540 And that was what causes

00:45:13.380 the most violence

00:45:14.120 and death

00:45:15.000 and murder.

00:45:15.920 The illegal market in drugs

00:45:17.460 they estimate it's worth

00:45:18.220 a trillion dollars a year

00:45:19.120 right now.

00:45:19.820 That has corrupted

00:45:20.660 everything it comes into contact

00:45:21.900 with including

00:45:22.400 the prison system.

00:45:23.280 When you go

00:45:24.520 start arresting people

00:45:26.300 who are mostly

00:45:26.920 got addiction issues

00:45:28.600 a lot of my friends

00:45:29.980 in prison were marines

00:45:31.060 come back from wars

00:45:32.200 PTSD

00:45:32.800 got on street drugs

00:45:34.080 ended up in prison.

00:45:35.180 The highest arrest category

00:45:36.760 back then

00:45:37.300 when I was arrested

00:45:37.920 was weed possession.

00:45:39.500 Wow.

00:45:39.820 A million arrests a year

00:45:41.140 almost

00:45:41.560 for weed possession.

00:45:42.660 A million a year.

00:45:43.400 And they come to prison

00:45:44.360 and graduate to

00:45:44.980 heroin and crystal meth.

00:45:46.080 So the absolute priority

00:45:47.300 of the drug gang

00:45:48.240 is this

00:45:49.300 you've got this

00:45:50.500 ideal target marketplace

00:45:53.160 of addicts.

00:45:55.180 So

00:45:55.500 guards are smuggling drugs

00:45:57.580 in for the gangs

00:45:58.300 nurse was arrested

00:45:59.600 bringing drugs in

00:46:00.340 for the Mexican mafia

00:46:01.060 while I was there.

00:46:02.560 Drugs are getting dropped

00:46:03.300 off in drones these days.

00:46:05.260 Visitors are bringing drugs

00:46:06.400 to visitation

00:46:07.080 in the lower security levels.

00:46:08.780 There is more drugs

00:46:09.620 in prison

00:46:10.060 than anywhere

00:46:10.940 on the face of the earth.

00:46:12.340 The dealers in prison

00:46:13.160 are boasting

00:46:13.640 that they're making

00:46:14.160 more money inside

00:46:15.180 than they were

00:46:16.140 selling drugs

00:46:16.720 before they were arrested.

00:46:17.500 Where do they keep

00:46:17.980 the money?

00:46:18.400 Where do they keep

00:46:18.760 the cash?

00:46:19.300 It's a street to street.

00:46:20.860 Oh got it.

00:46:21.580 Yeah so

00:46:22.140 say you're my dealer

00:46:23.240 in prison

00:46:23.700 and I'm a customer

00:46:25.100 your woman

00:46:26.640 outside

00:46:27.580 goes and

00:46:28.420 pays my woman

00:46:29.240 outside a visit

00:46:29.940 and you know

00:46:30.500 cash is exchanged.

00:46:32.380 I got it.

00:46:33.460 Yeah.

00:46:33.760 And it's still taking place.

00:46:35.140 Street to street.

00:46:36.060 And so hoping

00:46:36.580 when I come out

00:46:37.220 I have some cash

00:46:37.860 sitting around

00:46:38.300 that's waiting for me.

00:46:39.300 If you're an entrepreneur.

00:46:40.700 If you're an entrepreneur.

00:46:41.740 Yeah that makes sense.

00:46:42.720 You're in

00:46:43.420 you had some dealings

00:46:44.340 with the Mexican Mafia

00:46:45.300 but the Mexican Mafia

00:46:46.220 connection for you

00:46:47.060 wasn't in prison.

00:46:48.240 That happened prior to that

00:46:49.180 in Arizona right?

00:46:50.420 And how close

00:46:51.080 did you get with them?

00:46:52.200 Alright so

00:46:52.720 I mentioned

00:46:53.360 Wildman's first visit.

00:46:55.000 Yes.

00:46:55.520 Wildman opened

00:46:56.180 a lot of doors for me

00:46:57.180 because like I mentioned

00:46:58.280 about my anxiety and stuff

00:46:59.420 he

00:46:59.720 wherever he goes

00:47:01.380 people take notice.

00:47:02.760 He's 25, 26 stone

00:47:04.460 I'm trying to think

00:47:06.160 what the American equivalent

00:47:06.840 that is now

00:47:07.400 maybe like

00:47:08.100 250, 300 pounds

00:47:09.680 his nose

00:47:10.620 he's pointing over here

00:47:11.360 his fists are

00:47:11.920 twice the size of mine

00:47:12.880 he's just got all

00:47:13.520 human teeth marks

00:47:14.400 all over his knuckles

00:47:15.340 so at these

00:47:17.020 apartment parties

00:47:17.760 we were throwing

00:47:18.800 in the early

00:47:19.300 ecstasy days

00:47:19.940 he'd have like

00:47:21.140 Russian mobsters

00:47:21.980 coming up

00:47:22.540 Mexican gangsters

00:47:23.600 coming over

00:47:24.300 transgender

00:47:25.280 Native Americans

00:47:27.080 street gang bangers

00:47:28.840 just as a

00:47:29.460 collective mix

00:47:30.220 of people

00:47:31.240 and that's how

00:47:31.640 I got to meet

00:47:32.140 all these different

00:47:32.720 people

00:47:33.020 now at one

00:47:34.180 of these apartment

00:47:34.780 parties

00:47:35.340 I was supplying

00:47:36.580 the ecstasy

00:47:37.080 and this ruggedly

00:47:38.840 handsome

00:47:39.380 Mexican American

00:47:40.980 guy shows up

00:47:41.740 with long

00:47:42.280 dark hair

00:47:42.940 prison tattoos

00:47:43.740 on his arms

00:47:44.500 and he's supplying

00:47:45.740 the coke

00:47:46.320 and the weed

00:47:47.140 so as we're

00:47:48.420 both the suppliers

00:47:49.120 we start

00:47:49.680 chilling and talking

00:47:51.000 and a Tempe

00:47:52.620 policeman walks in

00:47:53.820 he goes

00:47:54.580 I can smell

00:47:55.120 weed from outside

00:47:56.100 nobody move

00:47:57.500 so G-Dog

00:47:58.940 the Mexican American

00:47:59.860 guy's name

00:48:00.460 and I've never seen

00:48:01.340 anything like this

00:48:01.880 before

00:48:02.300 just whips out

00:48:04.740 his gun

00:48:05.260 points at the

00:48:06.400 cop's head

00:48:07.020 says the only

00:48:08.200 one who's not

00:48:08.760 leaving is you

00:48:09.460 motherfucker

00:48:10.020 everybody wrong

00:48:11.480 so I'm like

00:48:12.660 holy fuck

00:48:13.500 you know

00:48:13.720 I'm just like

00:48:14.220 shit

00:48:14.700 we're all gonna

00:48:16.140 get arrested now

00:48:17.020 I've got drugs

00:48:17.860 on me

00:48:18.280 so we all

00:48:19.020 just ran off

00:48:19.860 into the night

00:48:20.420 basically

00:48:20.960 now this was

00:48:22.000 a huge apartment

00:48:22.920 complex called

00:48:23.800 Rancho Marietta

00:48:25.260 in Tempe

00:48:25.780 Arizona

00:48:26.200 it's got all

00:48:27.340 these other

00:48:27.700 buildings

00:48:28.160 and as part

00:48:29.720 of my organisation

00:48:30.360 when I had

00:48:31.040 people in

00:48:32.040 apartments

00:48:32.440 we would

00:48:32.800 structure apartment

00:48:33.580 complexes

00:48:34.080 so like

00:48:34.580 the drugs

00:48:35.960 are here

00:48:36.340 the cash

00:48:37.240 is here

00:48:37.600 in the apartment

00:48:38.720 and protection

00:48:39.760 is over here

00:48:40.200 in the apartment

00:48:40.740 so if anything

00:48:41.620 went off

00:48:42.040 we could move

00:48:42.520 everything around

00:48:42.980 very quickly

00:48:43.460 so I went off

00:48:44.520 into one of

00:48:44.840 these other

00:48:45.120 apartments

00:48:45.540 and all

00:48:48.180 hell's breaking

00:48:48.820 loose now

00:48:49.440 police

00:48:50.260 sirens

00:48:51.620 and so we're

00:48:53.260 we're all in

00:48:53.580 there thinking

00:48:54.120 cops are gonna

00:48:54.840 come

00:48:55.240 should we

00:48:56.320 flush our

00:48:56.760 stuff

00:48:57.080 next thing

00:48:57.840 bang bang

00:48:58.600 bang bang

00:48:59.000 bang on the

00:48:59.460 French window

00:49:00.100 is it the

00:49:01.340 cops

00:49:01.600 we open the

00:49:02.200 French window

00:49:02.620 it's G dog

00:49:03.560 he's like

00:49:04.000 let me in

00:49:04.920 so he says

00:49:06.080 the police

00:49:07.380 haven't got a

00:49:07.900 warrant

00:49:08.140 he schooled us

00:49:09.340 they can't come in

00:49:10.600 about a warrant

00:49:11.060 they haven't seen

00:49:11.720 me come in here

00:49:12.400 turn the lights

00:49:13.700 off

00:49:13.960 everybody shut

00:49:14.700 the f*** up

00:49:15.300 nobody move

00:49:16.620 if they come

00:49:17.300 just don't open

00:49:18.000 the door

00:49:18.380 so we were

00:49:19.280 debating whether

00:49:19.820 to flush the

00:49:20.800 drugs or not

00:49:21.140 and he's like

00:49:21.520 don't sweat it

00:49:22.540 so he was right

00:49:24.720 the cops came

00:49:25.680 and they were

00:49:26.420 knocked on the

00:49:27.040 door

00:49:27.220 we didn't answer

00:49:27.860 they went next

00:49:28.440 door

00:49:28.580 they went all

00:49:29.000 over the

00:49:29.280 complex

00:49:29.760 and at the

00:49:30.400 end of the

00:49:30.740 night

00:49:30.880 I said to

00:49:31.340 him

00:49:31.500 look

00:49:31.780 because

00:49:33.100 you're so

00:49:33.640 hot here

00:49:34.020 why don't

00:49:34.300 you come

00:49:34.520 over to

00:49:34.780 a house

00:49:35.260 I've got

00:49:35.640 in Phoenix

00:49:36.080 so that's

00:49:36.480 what we

00:49:36.860 did

00:49:37.020 and he

00:49:37.220 stayed

00:49:37.440 there

00:49:37.720 and then

00:49:38.500 he said

00:49:38.760 Sean

00:49:39.220 because you

00:49:40.720 and your

00:49:41.460 friends had

00:49:42.080 my back

00:49:42.780 me and my

00:49:43.420 brothers

00:49:43.700 have got

00:49:43.980 your back

00:49:44.540 I had no

00:49:45.460 idea what

00:49:45.940 that meant

00:49:46.360 so a couple

00:49:47.600 months later

00:49:48.060 he goes

00:49:48.300 my brother

00:49:48.600 wants to

00:49:48.980 meet you

00:49:49.380 so I

00:49:50.140 go over

00:49:50.400 to this

00:49:50.620 street

00:49:50.900 in Tempe

00:49:51.580 they've got

00:49:52.220 all these

00:49:52.540 low rider

00:49:53.140 fancy

00:49:53.700 show cars

00:49:54.660 on the

00:49:54.980 street

00:49:55.320 go to

00:49:56.500 the front

00:49:56.820 door

00:49:57.140 his brother

00:49:58.080 is like

00:49:58.360 short guy

00:49:58.820 no her

00:49:59.440 wife

00:50:00.120 beater

00:50:00.520 on

00:50:00.720 shorts

00:50:01.060 down to

00:50:01.460 here

00:50:01.700 just

00:50:02.200 looking

00:50:02.480 up at

00:50:02.680 me

00:50:02.760 with

00:50:02.860 this

00:50:02.980 mean

00:50:03.260 face

00:50:03.780 then he

00:50:04.740 hears

00:50:04.900 me

00:50:05.020 speaking

00:50:05.320 he's like

00:50:05.600 damn

00:50:05.980 you talk

00:50:06.440 funny

00:50:06.740 homie

00:50:07.240 he's like

00:50:08.040 I guess

00:50:08.680 you are

00:50:09.100 from

00:50:09.320 England

00:50:09.620 come

00:50:10.220 through

00:50:10.500 and meet

00:50:10.760 my

00:50:10.920 homies

00:50:11.460 so I

00:50:12.220 go into

00:50:12.600 the living

00:50:13.000 room

00:50:13.220 with

00:50:13.380 G-Dog

00:50:13.920 and there's

00:50:14.860 all these

00:50:15.140 massive

00:50:15.920 tattooed

00:50:16.740 Mexican

00:50:17.080 American

00:50:17.420 guys

00:50:17.900 they've got

00:50:18.660 the chains

00:50:19.300 on

00:50:19.660 they're looking

00:50:20.660 at me

00:50:21.080 like they

00:50:21.400 want to

00:50:21.680 eat me

00:50:22.100 who is

00:50:22.840 this guy

00:50:23.340 they've got

00:50:24.280 like guns

00:50:25.620 AKs

00:50:26.660 mini machine

00:50:27.480 guns

00:50:28.020 slabs of

00:50:29.060 crystal meth

00:50:29.800 slabs of

00:50:30.640 cocaine

00:50:31.200 weighing scales

00:50:32.540 I'm looking

00:50:33.580 around the

00:50:34.000 room

00:50:34.320 see the

00:50:35.120 biggest TV

00:50:35.760 I've ever

00:50:36.140 seen

00:50:36.560 they've got

00:50:37.520 a little

00:50:38.060 screen

00:50:38.380 watching all

00:50:38.960 the comings

00:50:39.420 and goings

00:50:39.760 on the

00:50:39.980 street

00:50:40.360 and they're

00:50:41.040 like holy

00:50:41.540 shit

00:50:42.020 that's not

00:50:42.980 an ornament

00:50:43.400 I saw

00:50:44.080 that in

00:50:44.300 a Rambo

00:50:44.700 movie

00:50:45.120 a rocket

00:50:46.140 propelled

00:50:46.560 grenade

00:50:46.860 launcher

00:50:47.260 on the

00:50:47.560 TV

00:50:47.880 yeah

00:50:48.720 so I'm

00:50:49.600 thinking these

00:50:50.020 guys are

00:50:50.360 heavy duty

00:50:50.940 and I was

00:50:51.420 always nervous

00:50:52.180 every time

00:50:52.920 I went

00:50:53.160 over there

00:50:53.740 except for

00:50:54.880 one time

00:50:55.980 they said

00:50:56.440 look

00:50:56.720 our women

00:50:58.060 are coming

00:50:58.380 over and

00:50:58.820 we're going

00:50:59.040 to have an

00:50:59.320 ecstasy

00:50:59.640 party

00:51:00.000 we're going

00:51:00.240 to try

00:51:00.500 your stuff

00:51:00.940 out

00:51:01.260 so I

00:51:03.680 went over

00:51:04.100 there

00:51:04.380 oh

00:51:04.660 going back

00:51:05.300 to the

00:51:05.520 first time

00:51:05.900 one of

00:51:06.280 them actually

00:51:06.600 swung a

00:51:07.120 spoonful of

00:51:07.620 coke in

00:51:07.920 my face

00:51:08.240 that first

00:51:08.640 time

00:51:08.980 and he's

00:51:10.100 like snort

00:51:10.640 this

00:51:11.040 just to see

00:51:13.780 if I was

00:51:14.100 a cop

00:51:14.420 you know

00:51:14.700 and that

00:51:15.560 guy

00:51:15.920 I won't say

00:51:16.380 his name

00:51:16.760 but when I

00:51:17.720 did learn

00:51:18.060 who they

00:51:18.280 were

00:51:18.560 that guy

00:51:19.380 was actually

00:51:19.880 a hitman

00:51:20.260 who was

00:51:20.880 putting in

00:51:21.840 quite a lot

00:51:22.140 of work

00:51:22.380 at that

00:51:22.580 point in

00:51:22.900 time

00:51:23.220 yeah

00:51:24.020 so

00:51:25.000 they say

00:51:25.880 we're having

00:51:26.140 this ecstasy

00:51:26.580 party

00:51:27.040 and I go

00:51:28.160 over

00:51:28.500 in the night

00:51:29.520 because they've

00:51:29.800 run out of

00:51:30.160 pills

00:51:30.500 and they're

00:51:31.660 all on ecstasy

00:51:32.360 for the first

00:51:32.920 time

00:51:33.340 but these

00:51:33.920 guys

00:51:34.260 when I

00:51:34.560 go over

00:51:34.920 there

00:51:35.260 like these

00:51:36.020 big

00:51:36.580 sweaty

00:51:37.440 overgrown

00:51:38.460 teddy

00:51:38.800 birds

00:51:39.280 picking me

00:51:40.420 up

00:51:40.720 bird

00:51:41.040 hugging

00:51:41.280 me

00:51:41.660 England

00:51:42.440 man

00:51:42.820 we love

00:51:43.280 your

00:51:43.500 pills

00:51:44.040 trying to

00:51:44.900 tell me

00:51:45.220 their life

00:51:45.620 stories

00:51:46.180 but every

00:51:47.760 time I went

00:51:48.180 over there

00:51:48.440 after that

00:51:48.940 it was back

00:51:49.800 to that

00:51:50.020 lethal

00:51:50.240 atmosphere

00:51:50.620 now the

00:51:51.580 only way

00:51:52.360 I learnt

00:51:52.820 who they

00:51:53.100 was

00:51:53.400 was because

00:51:54.100 years later

00:51:55.720 I was

00:51:56.500 dropping

00:51:56.860 G-dog

00:51:57.360 off

00:51:57.600 one

00:51:57.820 night

00:51:58.160 and the

00:51:59.200 whole

00:51:59.580 neighbourhood

00:52:00.280 was blacked

00:52:00.900 out

00:52:01.080 the police

00:52:02.200 were out

00:52:02.560 with light

00:52:03.040 wands

00:52:03.400 guiding

00:52:03.900 traffic

00:52:04.320 as we

00:52:05.440 pull up

00:52:05.720 to the

00:52:05.960 house

00:52:06.340 federal

00:52:07.400 SWAT

00:52:07.920 team

00:52:08.240 are bringing

00:52:08.700 all these

00:52:09.120 guys out

00:52:09.620 in handcuffs

00:52:10.320 and we

00:52:12.000 just kept

00:52:12.360 going

00:52:12.640 and it

00:52:13.720 was news

00:52:14.040 headlines

00:52:14.460 that night

00:52:14.900 New

00:52:15.260 Mexican

00:52:15.560 Mafia

00:52:15.960 most

00:52:16.240 powerful

00:52:16.860 violent

00:52:17.940 criminal

00:52:18.400 organization

00:52:19.220 in Arizona

00:52:20.020 they tried

00:52:20.980 to assassinate

00:52:21.680 the head

00:52:21.940 of the

00:52:22.120 Department

00:52:22.440 of Corrections

00:52:23.000 the prison

00:52:23.360 system

00:52:23.820 they were

00:52:24.680 taking out

00:52:25.200 witnesses

00:52:25.920 police

00:52:26.680 all kinds

00:52:28.320 so

00:52:29.160 the good

00:52:30.020 thing that

00:52:30.320 came about

00:52:30.780 was

00:52:31.160 my debts

00:52:32.020 were in

00:52:32.220 the hundreds

00:52:32.460 of thousands

00:52:33.000 and people

00:52:33.660 knew I was

00:52:34.240 clicked up

00:52:34.600 with them

00:52:34.920 and the money

00:52:35.900 started to

00:52:36.400 come in

00:52:36.740 a little bit

00:52:37.220 faster

00:52:37.640 so that was

00:52:39.300 your experience

00:52:39.740 which one

00:52:41.440 of the

00:52:41.700 gangs

00:52:42.700 in prison

00:52:43.620 were the

00:52:44.020 most feared

00:52:44.700 I mean

00:52:46.720 it varies

00:52:47.140 probably

00:52:47.560 prison by

00:52:48.160 prison

00:52:48.480 but from

00:52:49.020 your experience

00:52:49.840 in prison

00:52:51.100 what happens

00:52:52.140 is

00:52:52.580 the numbers

00:52:53.840 with the

00:52:54.180 most

00:52:54.680 picks on

00:52:55.700 the numbers

00:52:56.680 with the

00:52:57.020 least

00:52:57.400 it's a shame

00:52:58.320 because

00:52:58.680 well I say

00:52:59.560 it's a shame

00:52:59.880 but from a

00:53:00.940 power play

00:53:01.340 move

00:53:01.680 the Chicanos

00:53:03.140 the Mexican

00:53:03.800 Americans

00:53:04.240 and the Mexicans

00:53:05.440 they would be

00:53:06.640 the biggest

00:53:07.160 but they're at

00:53:08.020 war in the

00:53:08.480 Arizona prison

00:53:09.040 system

00:53:09.440 yeah

00:53:10.600 they've been

00:53:11.100 at war

00:53:11.480 since the

00:53:11.840 1990s

00:53:12.740 if they were

00:53:13.580 united

00:53:13.980 they would be

00:53:14.500 united

00:53:14.760 they'd be

00:53:15.020 the biggest

00:53:15.500 where I was

00:53:16.340 housed

00:53:16.880 in medium

00:53:17.580 security

00:53:17.900 in the

00:53:18.120 beginning

00:53:18.360 I would

00:53:18.720 say

00:53:19.100 it was

00:53:20.480 the Mexicans

00:53:20.920 Mexican

00:53:21.260 Americans

00:53:21.520 slightly over

00:53:22.200 half

00:53:22.680 then the

00:53:24.060 whites

00:53:24.520 then the

00:53:26.260 blacks

00:53:26.780 less than

00:53:28.600 a quarter

00:53:29.120 and the

00:53:30.100 Native Americans

00:53:30.840 and others

00:53:31.480 a fraction

00:53:32.300 in America

00:53:33.380 we

00:53:34.700 US is roughly

00:53:35.980 4.4% of the

00:53:37.740 world population

00:53:38.620 is what US has

00:53:39.740 right

00:53:40.000 but

00:53:40.520 they have

00:53:41.540 22%

00:53:42.780 of world's

00:53:43.980 prisoners

00:53:44.400 so 4.4%

00:53:46.380 world population

00:53:47.080 22%

00:53:47.820 prisoners

00:53:48.260 and

00:53:49.340 when you

00:53:49.820 study

00:53:50.120 the

00:53:50.320 stats

00:53:50.900 1950

00:53:52.080 per

00:53:52.900 100,000

00:53:53.640 we had

00:53:53.980 150

00:53:54.640 prisoners

00:53:55.400 per

00:53:56.080 100,000

00:53:56.580 150

00:53:57.080 today

00:53:57.980 that

00:53:58.200 numbers

00:53:58.500 are on

00:53:58.740 700

00:53:59.280 and

00:53:59.620 over

00:53:59.860 50%

00:54:01.300 of the

00:54:01.640 prisoners

00:54:02.000 today

00:54:02.700 are in

00:54:03.820 because of

00:54:04.300 drug charges

00:54:05.020 that's what

00:54:05.420 changed

00:54:05.820 the war against

00:54:06.480 drugs

00:54:06.880 you know

00:54:07.700 when you

00:54:08.440 were in

00:54:08.820 did you see

00:54:09.280 some guys

00:54:09.740 were like

00:54:10.040 that guy

00:54:10.400 just doesn't

00:54:10.820 belong in

00:54:11.240 here

00:54:11.420 you know

00:54:11.680 he

00:54:11.900 should

00:54:12.660 go on

00:54:12.880 a different

00:54:13.180 route

00:54:13.460 and

00:54:13.680 do you

00:54:14.140 think

00:54:14.280 sometimes

00:54:14.800 the

00:54:14.980 association

00:54:15.600 of a

00:54:15.940 guy

00:54:16.100 that got

00:54:16.500 him for

00:54:16.760 weed

00:54:17.200 or

00:54:17.720 something

00:54:18.000 like

00:54:18.300 that

00:54:18.480 being

00:54:18.720 around

00:54:19.000 others

00:54:19.320 he

00:54:19.520 learned

00:54:19.840 other

00:54:20.140 bad

00:54:20.400 habits

00:54:20.660 that

00:54:20.840 when he

00:54:21.160 got

00:54:21.360 out

00:54:21.460 he

00:54:21.560 brought

00:54:21.740 that

00:54:21.960 you know

00:54:22.500 habit

00:54:22.700 into

00:54:22.920 the

00:54:23.080 streets

00:54:23.280 what are

00:54:23.680 your thoughts

00:54:24.080 having

00:54:24.400 experience

00:54:24.880 with that

00:54:25.300 the mass

00:54:25.800 incarceration

00:54:26.320 of low

00:54:26.900 level

00:54:27.200 drug users

00:54:27.980 is

00:54:28.760 incentivized

00:54:29.720 by a

00:54:30.360 conspiracy

00:54:30.740 between

00:54:31.280 politicians

00:54:32.340 legislators

00:54:33.040 the private

00:54:33.540 prisons

00:54:33.840 and all

00:54:34.160 of the

00:54:34.360 other

00:54:34.520 predatory

00:54:35.020 contractors

00:54:35.900 making

00:54:36.200 money

00:54:36.440 off

00:54:36.640 this

00:54:36.920 so

00:54:37.440 the

00:54:37.620 media

00:54:38.080 puts

00:54:38.760 out

00:54:38.940 these

00:54:39.140 headlines

00:54:39.500 saying

00:54:39.780 prisons

00:54:40.180 are

00:54:40.620 for

00:54:40.960 murderers

00:54:41.700 rapists

00:54:42.980 pedophiles

00:54:44.020 drug

00:54:44.620 traffickers

00:54:45.060 like

00:54:45.260 Pablo

00:54:45.540 Escobar

00:54:46.120 and on

00:54:46.820 the other

00:54:47.020 side

00:54:47.220 they say

00:54:47.480 how easy

00:54:47.880 prisoners

00:54:48.280 to keep

00:54:48.580 public

00:54:48.880 hating

00:54:49.200 on

00:54:49.360 prisoners

00:54:49.780 what

00:54:50.660 the

00:54:50.980 average

00:54:51.260 arrest

00:54:51.740 was a

00:54:52.320 black

00:54:52.520 kid

00:54:52.700 or a

00:54:52.940 Mexican

00:54:53.200 kid

00:54:53.480 with a

00:54:53.700 bit

00:54:53.800 of

00:54:53.900 weed

00:54:54.060 getting

00:54:54.320 a

00:54:54.520 two

00:54:54.980 to

00:54:55.100 five

00:54:55.340 year

00:54:55.500 sentence

00:54:55.820 and what

00:54:56.080 I saw

00:54:56.500 and so

00:54:57.580 did you

00:54:58.320 meet

00:54:58.580 kids

00:54:58.900 in

00:54:59.080 prison

00:54:59.340 where

00:54:59.520 you're

00:54:59.680 looking

00:54:59.880 at

00:55:00.000 when I

00:55:00.280 say

00:55:00.400 kids

00:55:00.620 I'm

00:55:00.800 saying

00:55:00.920 the

00:55:01.060 average

00:55:01.260 arrest

00:55:01.680 yeah

00:55:02.040 yeah

00:55:02.200 so

00:55:02.380 what

00:55:02.540 are

00:55:02.560 you

00:55:02.640 like

00:55:02.860 why

00:55:03.120 are

00:55:03.260 you

00:55:03.460 in

00:55:03.700 prisons

00:55:04.040 are

00:55:04.240 full

00:55:04.420 of

00:55:04.540 these

00:55:04.720 people

00:55:05.040 almost

00:55:05.480 a

00:55:05.680 million

00:55:05.940 arrests

00:55:06.420 a

00:55:06.600 year

00:55:06.920 for

00:55:07.560 weed

00:55:07.880 possession

00:55:08.400 in

00:55:08.600 America

00:55:09.040 at

00:55:09.580 the

00:55:09.700 height

00:55:09.900 of

00:55:10.020 the

00:55:10.140 war

00:55:10.340 on

00:55:10.520 drugs

00:55:10.840 let

00:55:11.180 me

00:55:11.280 ask

00:55:11.560 you

00:55:11.700 having

00:55:12.000 experienced

00:55:12.640 different

00:55:12.980 levels

00:55:13.340 what

00:55:13.640 would

00:55:13.960 you

00:55:14.160 suggest

00:55:14.860 what

00:55:15.060 would

00:55:15.280 you

00:55:15.600 because

00:55:16.900 in

00:55:17.140 UK

00:55:17.720 you

00:55:17.960 guys

00:55:18.140 are

00:55:18.260 like

00:55:18.440 125

00:55:18.900 per

00:55:19.180 hundred

00:55:19.360 thousand

00:55:19.640 right

00:55:19.980 and

00:55:20.120 it's

00:55:20.240 different

00:55:20.460 we're

00:55:20.620 the

00:55:20.740 highest

00:55:20.980 incarceration

00:55:21.480 rate

00:55:21.880 in

00:55:22.040 Europe

00:55:22.360 because

00:55:22.580 the

00:55:22.760 same

00:55:23.160 political

00:55:24.460 private

00:55:25.140 prison

00:55:25.460 influences

00:55:26.100 are

00:55:26.900 corrupting

00:55:27.420 our

00:55:27.600 system

00:55:27.920 here

00:55:28.220 they

00:55:28.660 tried

00:55:28.920 to

00:55:29.080 open

00:55:29.280 the

00:55:29.420 biggest

00:55:29.660 kids

00:55:29.960 prison

00:55:30.240 in

00:55:30.360 the

00:55:30.460 western

00:55:30.700 world

00:55:30.960 in

00:55:31.060 this

00:55:31.160 country

00:55:31.420 last

00:55:31.680 year

00:55:31.920 the

00:55:32.380 prison

00:55:32.580 was

00:55:32.740 going

00:55:32.880 to

00:55:32.940 get

00:55:33.120 a

00:55:33.260 hundred

00:55:33.640 thousand

00:55:34.340 dollars

00:55:34.740 plus

00:55:35.260 per

00:55:35.700 year

00:55:36.020 of

00:55:36.380 taxpayers

00:55:36.860 money

00:55:37.360 per

00:55:37.780 kid

00:55:38.200 they

00:55:38.920 estimate

00:55:39.300 half

00:55:39.700 of young

00:55:39.940 people

00:55:40.200 experiment

00:55:40.580 with

00:55:40.760 drugs

00:55:40.980 they

00:55:41.120 can

00:55:41.240 fill

00:55:41.460 it

00:55:41.560 up

00:55:41.660 with

00:55:41.780 young

00:55:42.040 kids

00:55:42.560 on

00:55:42.720 drugs

00:55:42.940 all

00:55:43.140 day

00:55:43.300 long

00:55:43.560 it

00:55:44.080 went

00:55:44.260 to

00:55:44.380 House

00:55:44.600 of

00:55:44.740 Lords

00:55:45.000 and

00:55:45.120 Lords

00:55:45.420 said

00:55:45.740 is this

00:55:46.400 something

00:55:46.660 we're

00:55:46.880 going to be

00:55:47.120 proud of

00:55:47.500 and they

00:55:47.880 shut it

00:55:48.300 down

00:55:48.620 they

00:55:48.900 shut it

00:55:49.280 down

00:55:49.400 the

00:55:49.540 politicians

00:55:49.980 and the

00:55:50.280 corporations

00:55:50.700 are still

00:55:51.020 trying to

00:55:51.280 get it

00:55:51.480 pushed

00:55:51.680 through

00:55:51.980 so

00:55:53.220 there's

00:55:53.820 a battle

00:55:54.420 there

00:55:54.680 right

00:55:54.900 one

00:55:55.200 is

00:55:55.600 somebody

00:55:56.460 is

00:55:56.620 watching

00:55:56.900 this

00:55:57.060 they're

00:55:57.200 saying

00:55:57.420 oh

00:55:57.540 my

00:55:57.680 gosh

00:55:58.000 but

00:55:58.160 you

00:55:58.400 gave

00:55:59.740 ecstasy

00:56:00.120 to

00:56:00.320 people

00:56:00.560 you're

00:56:00.780 a

00:56:10.580 people

00:56:10.740 that

00:56:10.900 will

00:56:11.000 say

00:56:11.160 yeah

00:56:11.340 but

00:56:11.480 let's

00:56:11.640 say

00:56:11.820 a guy

00:56:12.040 that's

00:56:12.260 doing

00:56:12.420 weed

00:56:12.600 should

00:56:12.760 he

00:56:12.860 be

00:56:12.960 going

00:56:13.140 to

00:56:13.280 prison

00:56:13.540 it's

00:56:14.460 not

00:56:14.640 fair

00:56:14.820 for

00:56:14.980 him

00:56:15.040 to

00:56:15.120 go

00:56:15.220 to

00:56:15.360 prison

00:56:15.640 but

00:56:16.100 we

00:56:16.240 got

00:56:16.440 to

00:56:16.540 keep

00:56:16.680 the

00:56:16.820 drug

00:56:17.020 dealers

00:56:17.240 off

00:56:17.480 the

00:56:17.640 street

00:56:17.860 the

00:56:18.060 balance

00:56:18.460 of

00:56:18.620 it

00:56:18.740 how do

00:56:19.260 you

00:56:19.360 balance

00:56:19.720 that

00:56:19.900 up

00:56:20.020 for

00:56:20.120 somebody

00:56:20.480 that

00:56:20.680 seen

00:56:20.900 this

00:56:21.060 yourself

00:56:21.380 I

00:56:40.580 defense

00:56:41.060 I

00:56:41.580 learned

00:56:41.780 a lot

00:56:42.000 of

00:56:42.100 lessons

00:56:42.340 in

00:56:42.520 prison

00:56:42.760 I'm

00:56:43.140 actually

00:56:43.320 the

00:56:43.460 poster

00:56:43.700 child

00:56:43.940 for

00:56:44.200 it

00:56:44.300 but

00:56:44.440 Arizona

00:56:44.820 has

00:56:44.960 got

00:56:45.060 the

00:56:45.180 highest

00:56:45.400 incarceration

00:56:46.060 highest

00:56:46.740 re-offending

00:56:47.960 according to

00:56:48.400 FBI stats

00:56:49.060 some of the

00:56:49.380 highest in

00:56:49.700 the country

00:56:50.120 you're talking

00:56:50.580 about

00:56:50.700 recent

00:56:50.980 division

00:56:51.340 type

00:56:51.640 of

00:56:51.800 stats

00:56:52.340 yeah

00:56:52.700 I'm

00:56:52.800 talking

00:56:53.000 about

00:56:53.120 FBI

00:56:53.360 stats

00:56:53.840 over

00:56:54.260 the

00:56:54.440 years

00:56:54.660 that

00:56:54.780 I've

00:56:54.880 looked

00:56:55.060 at

00:56:55.260 what

00:56:55.580 is

00:56:55.780 the

00:56:55.920 purpose

00:56:56.220 of

00:56:56.440 prisons

00:56:56.700 and

00:56:56.860 the

00:56:56.980 police

00:56:57.340 the

00:56:57.780 police

00:56:58.020 was

00:56:58.160 started

00:56:58.440 out

00:56:58.620 of

00:56:58.740 London

00:56:59.120 by

00:56:59.340 Robert

00:56:59.600 Peel

00:56:59.920 if you

00:57:00.740 look

00:57:00.880 how

00:57:01.000 crime

00:57:01.300 has

00:57:01.420 been

00:57:01.540 defined

00:57:01.920 for

00:57:02.140 millennia

00:57:02.660 murder

00:57:04.680 robbery

00:57:05.360 rape

00:57:06.080 drug

00:57:06.700 traffickers

00:57:07.140 like

00:57:07.360 myself

00:57:07.760 not

00:57:08.080 excusing

00:57:08.560 that

00:57:08.840 person

00:57:10.200 A

00:57:10.660 murders

00:57:11.680 rapes

00:57:12.120 robs

00:57:12.420 person

00:57:12.940 B

00:57:13.480 there's

00:57:14.360 always

00:57:14.640 a

00:57:14.820 victim

00:57:15.140 when

00:57:16.380 they

00:57:16.560 ramped

00:57:16.900 up

00:57:17.020 the

00:57:17.140 war

00:57:17.360 on

00:57:17.540 drugs

00:57:17.860 and

00:57:18.000 said

00:57:18.200 who

00:57:18.320 are

00:57:18.420 the

00:57:18.500 easiest

00:57:18.760 people

00:57:19.000 to

00:57:19.180 arrest

00:57:19.440 kids

00:57:19.680 with

00:57:19.860 weed

00:57:20.200 when

00:57:21.780 you

00:57:21.880 arrest

00:57:22.120 a

00:57:22.240 kid

00:57:22.360 with

00:57:22.520 weed

00:57:22.820 who

00:57:23.500 is

00:57:23.600 that

00:57:23.740 person

00:57:24.120 hurting

00:57:24.520 himself

00:57:25.420 so

00:57:25.700 the

00:57:27.780 whole

00:57:28.020 purpose

00:57:28.460 of

00:57:28.660 the

00:57:28.820 police

00:57:29.360 which

00:57:29.620 was

00:57:29.780 to

00:57:29.860 take

00:57:30.040 person

00:57:30.400 A

00:57:30.840 out

00:57:31.600 of

00:57:31.720 society

00:57:32.180 that

00:57:32.380 hurts

00:57:32.620 person

00:57:33.300 B

00:57:33.740 has

00:57:34.720 been

00:57:34.920 subverted

00:57:35.440 by

00:57:35.660 the

00:57:35.820 war

00:57:36.020 on

00:57:36.200 drugs

00:57:36.540 a

00:57:37.180 kid

00:57:37.380 with

00:57:37.580 weed

00:57:37.820 is

00:57:37.980 hurting

00:57:38.180 themselves

00:57:38.800 maybe

00:57:39.440 their

00:57:39.680 family

00:57:40.140 that's

00:57:40.840 a

00:57:40.960 cry

00:57:41.160 for

00:57:41.360 help

00:57:41.680 that

00:57:42.160 kids

00:57:42.440 need

00:57:42.680 mentorship

00:57:43.220 that

00:57:44.080 kid

00:57:44.360 may

00:57:44.760 need

00:57:45.000 some

00:57:45.200 mental

00:57:45.460 health

00:57:45.760 counselling

00:57:46.280 that

00:57:46.780 kid

00:57:47.020 needs

00:57:47.300 encouragement

00:57:47.780 in

00:57:48.000 life

00:57:48.260 and

00:57:48.680 what

00:57:48.880 do

00:57:49.040 we

00:57:49.160 do

00:57:49.360 with

00:57:49.540 them

00:57:49.740 we

00:57:50.320 put

00:57:50.540 them

00:57:50.660 in

00:57:50.760 a

00:57:50.880 place

00:57:51.200 where

00:57:51.500 they're

00:57:51.960 going

00:57:52.080 to

00:57:52.160 get

00:57:52.280 indoctrinated

00:57:52.960 by a

00:57:53.360 neo-nazi

00:57:53.940 gang

00:57:54.420 who

00:57:55.280 idolize

00:57:55.960 getting

00:57:56.300 Hitler

00:57:57.060 tattoos

00:57:57.620 and

00:57:57.820 swastikas

00:57:58.460 and you

00:57:59.000 got to

00:57:59.240 murder

00:57:59.460 someone

00:57:59.760 to be

00:58:00.000 a full

00:58:00.320 member

00:58:00.720 and you're

00:58:01.260 going to

00:58:01.400 make

00:58:01.520 your

00:58:01.660 criminal

00:58:01.940 connections

00:58:02.460 and they're

00:58:03.200 going to

00:58:03.360 give you

00:58:03.600 a

00:58:03.720 swastika

00:58:04.080 on your

00:58:04.360 forehead

00:58:04.660 so when

00:58:04.980 you get

00:58:05.300 out and

00:58:05.600 go for

00:58:05.840 a job

00:58:06.080 interview

00:58:06.300 you can't

00:58:06.760 get a

00:58:07.020 job

00:58:07.220 you're

00:58:07.640 going to

00:58:07.780 come right

00:58:08.060 back to

00:58:08.380 the gang

00:58:08.720 and the

00:58:09.500 jail is

00:58:09.820 going to

00:58:10.040 say

00:58:10.280 hey

00:58:10.700 if we

00:58:11.300 educate

00:58:11.700 these

00:58:11.900 people

00:58:12.220 if we

00:58:12.720 give

00:58:12.960 them

00:58:13.180 their

00:58:13.500 high school

00:58:13.920 diplomas

00:58:14.460 when

00:58:15.000 they get

00:58:15.260 out

00:58:15.360 they're

00:58:15.500 going to

00:58:15.640 stand

00:58:15.820 a chance

00:58:16.160 in life

00:58:16.560 no

00:58:17.100 let's

00:58:17.720 allow

00:58:17.980 it to

00:58:18.200 be

00:58:18.320 drug

00:58:18.500 and

00:58:18.620 gang

00:58:18.780 infested

00:58:19.200 mayhem

00:58:19.620 because

00:58:20.000 when

00:58:20.220 they

00:58:20.400 get

00:58:20.560 out

00:58:20.840 we'll

00:58:21.160 give

00:58:21.300 them

00:58:21.380 $50

00:58:21.680 gate

00:58:22.200 money

00:58:22.740 say

00:58:23.140 have

00:58:23.340 a

00:58:23.460 nice

00:58:23.640 day

00:58:23.900 they're

00:58:24.340 going

00:58:24.440 to

00:58:24.520 go

00:58:24.620 right

00:58:24.800 back

00:58:24.940 to

00:58:25.060 crime

00:58:25.320 because

00:58:25.480 it's

00:58:25.620 drug

00:58:26.100 and

00:58:26.340 gang

00:58:26.500 infested

00:58:26.880 mayhem

00:58:27.180 and when

00:58:28.040 they get

00:58:28.320 arrested

00:58:28.680 $50,000

00:58:29.960 of taxpayers

00:58:30.580 money

00:58:30.820 per year

00:58:31.240 right

00:58:32.180 back

00:58:32.380 to

00:58:32.560 the

00:58:32.740 jail

00:58:33.360 or

00:58:33.500 prison

00:58:33.780 I think

00:58:34.360 it's up

00:58:34.560 to

00:58:34.640 $70,000

00:58:35.220 now

00:58:35.380 I'm

00:58:35.440 just

00:58:35.580 quoting

00:58:35.780 figures

00:58:36.060 when

00:58:36.220 I

00:58:36.340 got

00:58:36.480 arrested

00:58:36.860 to

00:58:37.280 rack

00:58:37.500 it

00:58:37.620 on

00:58:37.700 the

00:58:37.800 tax

00:58:38.020 pay

00:58:38.160 to

00:58:38.320 shakedown

00:58:38.780 I

00:58:39.120 see

00:58:39.700 that

00:58:39.960 so

00:58:40.200 the

00:58:40.420 percentage

00:58:41.000 that

00:58:41.240 I

00:58:41.380 saw

00:58:41.740 is

00:58:42.720 after

00:58:43.140 one

00:58:43.540 year

00:58:43.840 56%

00:58:44.880 of

00:58:47.480 prisoners

00:58:47.960 make it

00:58:48.480 back

00:58:48.780 in

00:58:49.080 three

00:58:50.020 years

00:58:50.520 is

00:58:50.800 67%

00:58:51.960 five

00:58:52.380 years

00:58:52.600 is

00:58:52.760 76%

00:58:53.600 so

00:58:53.800 once

00:58:54.040 you

00:58:54.160 go

00:58:54.340 in

00:58:54.660 there's

00:58:55.300 a

00:58:55.380 very

00:58:55.560 high

00:58:55.760 likelihood

00:58:56.060 of

00:58:56.220 you

00:58:56.320 getting

00:58:56.540 back

00:58:56.820 in

00:58:57.140 within

00:58:57.660 the

00:58:57.820 next

00:58:58.020 one

00:58:58.280 three

00:58:58.460 five

00:58:58.740 years

00:58:59.100 Corrections

00:58:59.700 Corporation

00:59:00.320 are boasting

00:59:00.940 in the

00:59:01.260 annual reports

00:59:01.960 of their

00:59:02.220 shareholders

00:59:02.700 our

00:59:03.460 profit

00:59:03.800 growth

00:59:04.100 is

00:59:04.260 guaranteed

00:59:04.680 because

00:59:04.940 they

00:59:05.100 keep

00:59:05.360 coming

00:59:05.640 back

00:59:06.080 they're

00:59:06.620 not

00:59:06.780 correcting

00:59:07.100 people

00:59:07.400 they're

00:59:07.600 breaking

00:59:07.880 them

00:59:08.200 so

00:59:08.480 Sean

00:59:08.700 let me

00:59:08.960 ask

00:59:09.240 you

00:59:09.340 two

00:59:09.560 people

00:59:09.880 if

00:59:10.080 you're

00:59:10.220 speaking

00:59:10.500 to

00:59:10.640 somebody

00:59:10.920 right

00:59:11.140 now

00:59:11.300 a

00:59:11.480 kid

00:59:11.760 who's

00:59:12.020 22

00:59:12.380 years

00:59:12.700 old

00:59:13.020 yeah

00:59:13.300 messing

00:59:13.820 around

00:59:14.060 with

00:59:14.260 stuff

00:59:14.540 selling

00:59:14.840 weed

00:59:15.020 selling

00:59:15.300 coke

00:59:15.540 selling

00:59:15.800 ecstasy

00:59:16.360 selling

00:59:16.820 whatever

00:59:17.580 it is

00:59:17.960 he's

00:59:18.140 selling

00:59:18.320 on the

00:59:18.640 streets

00:59:19.020 what

00:59:19.260 do you

00:59:19.400 tell

00:59:19.540 someone

00:59:19.780 like

00:59:19.980 that

00:59:20.160 because

00:59:20.460 when

00:59:20.940 you're

00:59:21.120 in

00:59:21.300 it

00:59:21.440 sometimes

00:59:21.880 you know

00:59:22.260 I remember

00:59:23.200 when I was

00:59:23.720 coming up

00:59:24.160 I was

00:59:24.500 doing my

00:59:24.860 own

00:59:25.120 version

00:59:25.820 of things

00:59:26.440 and you

00:59:27.200 almost feel

00:59:27.960 like you're

00:59:28.720 not infamous

00:59:29.840 untouchable

00:59:30.980 like I can

00:59:31.960 get away

00:59:32.400 I can

00:59:32.800 outsmart

00:59:33.420 the system

00:59:34.020 right

00:59:34.380 what would

00:59:35.360 you say

00:59:35.880 to somebody

00:59:36.400 that's in

00:59:36.780 that moment

00:59:37.100 saying you know

00:59:37.500 I'm going to

00:59:38.000 be able to

00:59:38.240 get away

00:59:38.500 he got

00:59:38.840 caught

00:59:39.020 but I'm

00:59:39.260 not going

00:59:39.500 to get

00:59:39.700 caught

00:59:39.940 I felt

00:59:40.600 like I was

00:59:41.040 above the

00:59:41.360 law

00:59:41.540 and the

00:59:41.740 drugs

00:59:41.940 was telling

00:59:42.340 me

00:59:42.520 that

00:59:42.800 we were

00:59:43.540 joking

00:59:43.940 we were

00:59:44.300 above the

00:59:44.580 law

00:59:44.720 we're

00:59:44.840 living

00:59:45.000 in

00:59:45.120 a

00:59:45.240 movie

00:59:45.540 drug

00:59:46.400 scrambles

00:59:46.900 your

00:59:47.020 decision

00:59:47.300 making

00:59:47.540 processes

00:59:48.080 you're

00:59:48.340 not

00:59:48.480 thinking

00:59:48.740 normally

00:59:49.000 or

00:59:49.380 surrounding

00:59:49.800 myself

00:59:50.140 with

00:59:50.300 equally

00:59:50.540 crazy

00:59:50.820 people

00:59:51.260 reinforcing

00:59:52.480 each other's

00:59:52.900 insane

00:59:53.200 behaviour

00:59:53.600 I would

00:59:54.360 say to

00:59:54.640 those

00:59:54.820 kids

00:59:55.180 that

00:59:55.760 these

00:59:55.920 prisons

00:59:56.240 and

00:59:56.400 these

00:59:56.540 politicians

00:59:57.020 the

00:59:57.300 contracts

00:59:57.620 in the

00:59:57.880 tens

00:59:58.060 of

00:59:58.180 billions

00:59:58.380 they

00:59:58.840 want

00:59:59.120 you

00:59:59.260 out

00:59:59.440 doing

00:59:59.620 drugs

01:00:00.020 they

01:00:00.560 look

01:00:00.780 at

01:00:00.880 you

01:00:01.000 as

01:00:01.160 suckers

01:00:01.780 to

01:00:02.360 arrest

01:00:02.720 because

01:00:02.880 they

01:00:03.000 know

01:00:03.160 they're

01:00:03.320 going

01:00:03.400 to

01:00:03.440 get

01:00:03.560 you

01:00:03.660 eventually

01:00:04.000 and

01:00:04.620 make

01:00:04.820 money

01:00:05.060 off

01:00:05.240 your

01:00:05.420 back

01:00:05.780 now

01:00:06.500 what

01:00:06.860 I

01:00:07.020 didn't

01:00:07.180 understand

01:00:07.520 is

01:00:07.820 the

01:00:08.180 road

01:00:08.400 of

01:00:08.560 drug

01:00:08.780 use

01:00:08.940 is

01:00:09.060 very

01:00:09.240 long

01:00:09.600 the

01:00:10.360 pleasure

01:00:10.680 is

01:00:10.900 extremely

01:00:11.580 high

01:00:11.920 in

01:00:12.040 the

01:00:12.140 beginning

01:00:12.400 and

01:00:12.600 the

01:00:12.700 pain

01:00:12.920 is

01:00:13.080 low

01:00:13.340 you

01:00:14.060 don't

01:00:14.260 see

01:00:14.420 what's

01:00:14.620 coming

01:00:14.820 at you

01:00:15.080 down

01:00:15.240 that

01:00:15.400 road

01:00:15.580 when

01:00:15.680 a

01:00:15.760 young

01:00:15.900 person

01:00:16.320 because

01:00:17.100 the

01:00:17.260 pleasure

01:00:17.940 is

01:00:18.080 so

01:00:18.220 high

01:00:18.440 you're

01:00:18.960 always

01:00:19.240 chasing

01:00:19.620 that

01:00:19.800 early

01:00:20.020 high

01:00:20.400 but

01:00:20.980 you

01:00:21.080 never

01:00:21.260 get

01:00:21.440 it

01:00:21.560 back

01:00:21.780 so

01:00:21.940 you

01:00:22.040 mix

01:00:22.260 your

01:00:22.380 drugs

01:00:22.600 up

01:00:22.800 or

01:00:22.900 you

01:00:22.980 move

01:00:23.140 on

01:00:23.240 to

01:00:23.340 harder

01:00:23.560 drugs

01:00:23.820 over

01:00:24.000 time

01:00:24.340 in

01:00:24.860 the

01:00:24.980 background

01:00:25.300 the

01:00:25.540 pain

01:00:25.800 is

01:00:25.980 slowly

01:00:26.560 rising

01:00:27.140 and

01:00:28.020 when

01:00:28.160 it

01:00:28.300 crosses

01:00:28.680 if

01:00:29.420 you're

01:00:29.620 addicted

01:00:29.880 you

01:00:30.120 can't

01:00:30.400 stop

01:00:30.660 I

01:00:31.220 only

01:00:31.440 learnt

01:00:31.660 this

01:00:31.840 in

01:00:31.960 the

01:00:32.060 jail

01:00:32.260 it

01:00:32.380 made

01:00:32.540 me

01:00:32.660 ashamed

01:00:33.020 of

01:00:33.180 putting

01:00:33.340 people

01:00:33.540 on

01:00:33.660 that

01:00:33.780 road

01:00:34.120 I

01:00:34.880 knew

01:00:35.040 I

01:00:35.160 couldn't

01:00:35.360 change

01:00:35.580 my

01:00:35.700 past

01:00:35.940 so

01:00:36.080 my

01:00:36.840 main

01:00:37.080 thing

01:00:37.220 is

01:00:37.340 telling

01:00:38.180 school

01:00:38.820 kids

01:00:39.140 my

01:00:39.560 story

01:00:39.860 so

01:00:40.020 they

01:00:40.140 won't

01:00:40.320 do

01:00:40.460 what

01:00:40.580 I

01:00:40.760 did

01:00:40.940 but

01:00:41.400 in

01:00:41.560 the

01:00:41.680 jail

01:00:41.880 I

01:00:42.020 saw

01:00:42.340 the

01:00:42.540 horror

01:00:42.880 of

01:00:43.580 what

01:00:43.760 drug

01:00:44.020 use

01:00:44.240 led

01:00:44.460 to

01:00:44.760 90%

01:00:46.200 shooting

01:00:46.740 up

01:00:46.840 heroin

01:00:47.120 crystal

01:00:47.480 meth

01:00:47.740 two

01:00:48.220 thirds

01:00:48.520 hepatitis

01:00:49.120 C

01:00:49.380 90%

01:00:50.680 yellow

01:00:51.200 jaundice

01:00:51.700 skin

01:00:51.980 teeth

01:00:52.540 rotting

01:00:52.920 out

01:00:53.180 and I

01:00:53.880 thought

01:00:54.120 to myself

01:00:54.520 I

01:00:54.760 put

01:00:55.000 people

01:00:55.120 on

01:00:55.840 that

01:00:55.980 road

01:00:56.300 I

01:00:56.900 should

01:00:57.360 be

01:00:57.520 ashamed

01:00:57.880 now

01:00:58.480 to

01:00:59.540 treat

01:00:59.820 all

01:01:00.040 those

01:01:00.200 guys

01:01:00.460 with

01:01:00.600 hepatitis

01:01:01.120 C

01:01:01.400 interferon

01:01:02.340 30,000

01:01:03.180 a year

01:01:03.440 would

01:01:03.820 bankrupt

01:01:04.160 the

01:01:04.400 system

01:01:04.760 so

01:01:05.960 they

01:01:06.100 say

01:01:06.300 to

01:01:06.460 them

01:01:06.700 you

01:01:07.140 know

01:01:07.280 you're

01:01:07.440 not

01:01:07.540 getting

01:01:07.760 the

01:01:07.900 treatment

01:01:08.200 some

01:01:08.760 sue

01:01:09.060 in

01:01:09.220 court

01:01:09.560 they

01:01:09.940 got

01:01:10.140 money

01:01:10.640 or

01:01:10.840 legal

01:01:11.340 skills

01:01:11.760 and

01:01:12.280 it

01:01:12.400 takes

01:01:12.660 years

01:01:13.040 just

01:01:13.240 to

01:01:13.320 get

01:01:13.420 the

01:01:13.540 treatment

01:01:13.840 and

01:01:14.200 by

01:01:14.360 then

01:01:14.520 the

01:01:14.680 liver

01:01:14.880 it

01:01:15.440 might

01:01:15.600 have

01:01:15.720 advanced

01:01:16.080 and

01:01:16.240 they

01:01:16.460 can't

01:01:17.620 even

01:01:17.720 be

01:01:17.840 saved

01:01:18.020 anyway

01:01:18.280 some

01:01:19.160 of

01:01:19.320 them

01:01:19.500 would

01:01:19.920 win

01:01:20.160 the

01:01:20.320 treatment

01:01:20.640 after

01:01:20.900 this

01:01:21.080 big

01:01:21.380 court

01:01:21.660 battle

01:01:22.060 and

01:01:22.600 the

01:01:22.740 final

01:01:23.080 hurdle

01:01:23.420 was

01:01:23.960 right

01:01:24.780 congratulations

01:01:25.560 you've

01:01:25.820 won

01:01:25.920 your

01:01:26.020 treatment

01:01:26.380 treatment

01:01:26.900 doesn't

01:01:27.140 work

01:01:27.340 unless

01:01:27.540 you

01:01:27.640 stop

01:01:27.840 the

01:01:27.960 drugs

01:01:28.260 now

01:01:29.040 you

01:01:29.160 got

01:01:29.260 to

01:01:29.320 stop

01:01:29.500 the

01:01:29.620 drugs

01:01:29.900 and

01:01:30.480 some

01:01:30.680 of

01:01:30.800 those

01:01:31.060 guys

01:01:31.320 were

01:01:31.460 so

01:01:31.720 addicted

01:01:40.840 think

01:01:42.300 about

01:01:42.500 what's

01:01:42.740 going

01:01:42.860 to

01:01:42.940 come

01:01:43.080 at

01:01:43.180 you

01:01:43.280 down

01:01:43.440 that

01:01:43.600 road

01:01:43.900 I

01:01:44.540 was

01:01:44.680 given

01:01:44.900 a

01:01:45.140 front

01:01:45.900 row

01:01:46.100 seat

01:01:46.480 and

01:01:47.120 it's

01:01:47.260 an

01:01:47.380 absolute

01:01:47.700 horror

01:01:48.020 show

01:01:48.360 now

01:01:48.900 if

01:01:49.020 you've

01:01:49.140 got

01:01:49.240 an

01:01:49.340 addictive

01:01:49.480 personality

01:01:49.920 like

01:01:50.200 me

01:01:50.400 there's

01:01:50.880 nothing

01:01:51.200 wrong

01:01:51.520 with

01:01:51.740 channeling

01:01:52.420 that

01:01:52.560 energy

01:01:52.840 into

01:01:53.020 positive

01:01:53.360 addictions

01:01:53.740 so

01:01:54.300 I

01:01:54.420 do

01:01:55.300 karate

01:01:55.760 I

01:01:56.240 do

01:01:56.360 body

01:01:56.580 combat

01:01:57.020 yoga

01:01:57.740 and

01:01:57.980 meditation

01:01:58.500 really

01:01:59.260 got

01:01:59.480 my

01:01:59.660 anxiety

01:02:00.080 down

01:02:00.440 saved

01:02:00.800 my

01:02:00.960 sanity

01:02:01.320 in

01:02:02.000 interesting

01:02:02.500 yeah

01:02:02.940 when's

01:02:03.680 the last

01:02:03.940 time

01:02:04.060 you

01:02:04.200 touched

01:02:04.440 drugs

01:02:04.840 I

01:02:05.420 didn't

01:02:05.620 touch

01:02:05.840 drugs

01:02:06.220 since

01:02:07.260 I

01:02:07.480 got

01:02:07.620 arrested

01:02:07.980 yeah

01:02:08.580 oh

01:02:08.740 since

01:02:08.980 you

01:02:09.120 got

01:02:09.260 arrested

01:02:09.540 you

01:02:09.700 haven't

01:02:09.860 touched

01:02:10.060 it

01:02:10.200 yeah

01:02:10.700 wow

01:02:11.720 yeah

01:02:12.200 and so

01:02:12.600 let me

01:02:13.420 ask you

01:02:13.700 you haven't

01:02:14.120 been in

01:02:14.460 since you

01:02:14.740 got out

01:02:15.160 no

01:02:15.560 what did

01:02:16.400 you do

01:02:16.680 to make

01:02:17.040 sure you

01:02:17.300 didn't

01:02:17.440 get in

01:02:17.700 because

01:02:17.980 you

01:02:18.180 know

01:02:18.380 it's

01:02:18.560 very

01:02:18.760 easy

01:02:19.180 to

01:02:19.420 come

01:02:19.640 to

01:02:19.800 UK

01:02:20.060 and

01:02:20.460 maybe

01:02:21.040 use

01:02:21.260 some

01:02:21.440 of

01:02:21.540 those

01:02:21.700 habits

01:02:22.020 here

01:02:22.240 because

01:02:22.500 your

01:02:22.720 crime

01:02:23.020 was

01:02:23.220 in

01:02:23.460 Arizona

01:02:24.280 you

01:02:24.540 can

01:02:24.720 start

01:02:25.000 a

01:02:25.120 new

01:02:25.240 thing

01:02:25.420 over

01:02:25.600 here

01:02:25.760 how

01:02:25.860 come

01:02:26.020 you

01:02:26.160 didn't

01:02:26.460 do

01:02:26.580 various

01:02:27.000 factors

01:02:27.440 stopped

01:02:27.840 me

01:02:28.040 going

01:02:28.220 back

01:02:28.600 I

01:02:29.040 read

01:02:29.200 over

01:02:29.340 a

01:02:29.460 thousand

01:02:29.740 books

01:02:30.040 in

01:02:30.200 just

01:02:30.380 under

01:02:30.540 six

01:02:30.800 years

01:02:31.000 a lot

01:02:31.260 of

01:02:31.380 philosophy

01:02:31.720 and

01:02:31.920 psychology

01:02:32.480 and

01:02:33.060 they

01:02:33.240 enabled

01:02:33.580 me

01:02:33.700 to

01:02:33.800 go

01:02:33.920 deep

01:02:34.160 inside

01:02:34.520 myself

01:02:34.840 and

01:02:34.980 address

01:02:35.300 the

01:02:35.500 root

01:02:35.680 causes

01:02:36.100 and

01:02:36.720 not

01:02:36.920 to

01:02:37.040 go

01:02:37.140 back

01:02:37.340 to

01:02:37.540 it

01:02:37.740 the

01:02:38.180 therapist

01:02:38.480 said

01:02:38.680 if

01:02:38.800 you

01:02:38.920 give

01:02:39.140 something

01:02:39.480 up

01:02:39.720 an

01:02:39.840 addiction

01:02:40.220 even

01:02:41.160 if it's

01:02:41.340 a

01:02:41.420 negative

01:02:41.660 one

01:02:41.960 there's

01:02:42.220 a

01:02:42.300 space

01:02:42.560 inside

01:02:42.980 you

01:02:43.200 and

01:02:43.580 you

01:02:43.660 got

01:02:43.800 to

01:02:43.900 replace

01:02:45.620 it

01:02:45.920 karate

01:02:46.400 body

01:02:46.980 combat

01:02:47.320 exercise

01:02:47.760 yoga

01:02:48.260 these

01:02:48.800 things

01:02:49.200 they

01:02:49.680 keep

01:02:49.960 me

01:02:50.200 level

01:02:50.840 headed

01:02:51.200 I

01:02:51.600 still

01:02:51.780 go

01:02:51.940 out

01:02:52.080 and

01:02:52.200 dance

01:02:52.400 my

01:02:52.560 ass

01:02:52.740 all

01:02:53.000 night

01:02:53.200 at

01:02:53.300 some

01:02:53.420 of

01:02:53.520 these

01:02:53.640 clothes

01:02:53.900 like

01:02:54.080 ministry

01:02:54.440 you should

01:02:54.700 check

01:02:54.880 ministry

01:02:55.200 out

01:02:55.360 while

01:02:55.520 you're

01:02:55.680 here

01:02:55.920 or

01:02:56.560 some

01:02:56.740 of

01:02:56.840 the

01:02:56.920 gay

01:02:57.120 bars

01:02:57.420 of

01:02:57.580 Clapham

01:02:57.880 Common

01:02:58.160 where they've

01:02:58.440 got the

01:02:58.640 hands

01:02:58.860 in the

01:02:59.100 air

01:02:59.240 dance

01:02:59.520 I

01:03:00.160 just

01:03:00.640 close

01:03:00.960 my

01:03:01.140 eyes

01:03:01.640 get

01:03:02.360 into

01:03:02.520 the

01:03:02.680 vibe

01:03:02.960 and

01:03:03.120 dance

01:03:03.400 and

01:03:03.520 feel

01:03:03.780 those

01:03:04.040 endorphins

01:03:04.920 cascading

01:03:05.640 physical

01:03:06.600 movement

01:03:07.080 causes

01:03:07.600 the

01:03:07.940 brain

01:03:08.480 to

01:03:08.680 release

01:03:09.020 the

01:03:09.220 chemicals

01:03:09.680 the

01:03:10.100 endorphins

01:03:10.580 to

01:03:10.740 cascade

01:03:11.200 you

01:03:12.080 don't

01:03:12.380 have

01:03:12.620 to

01:03:12.740 be

01:03:12.880 doing

01:03:13.200 these

01:03:14.200 other

01:03:14.380 things

01:03:14.660 it's

01:03:14.840 just

01:03:15.020 a

01:03:15.460 shortcut

01:03:15.860 physical

01:03:16.540 activity

01:03:16.980 can

01:03:17.220 get

01:03:17.420 you

01:03:17.540 sports

01:03:18.100 is

01:03:18.260 a

01:03:18.360 great

01:03:18.540 one

01:03:18.700 for

01:03:18.820 young

01:03:19.000 people

01:03:19.260 I

01:03:19.540 advocate

01:03:19.980 yeah

01:03:20.340 so

01:03:20.840 you

01:03:21.080 replaced

01:03:22.220 a

01:03:22.420 bad

01:03:22.620 habit

01:03:22.960 with

01:03:23.360 something

01:03:23.740 else

01:03:24.040 so

01:03:25.940 you

01:03:26.920 know

01:03:27.060 and I

01:03:27.320 know

01:03:27.420 you

01:03:27.560 give

01:03:27.720 away

01:03:27.900 a lot

01:03:28.120 of

01:03:28.240 books

01:03:28.440 nowadays

01:03:28.800 you

01:03:29.140 you

01:03:29.420 in

01:03:30.020 the

01:03:30.160 business

01:03:30.420 of

01:03:30.560 giving

01:03:30.700 away

01:03:30.920 books

01:03:31.260 I

01:03:31.460 do

01:03:37.080 hard

01:03:37.420 time

01:03:37.840 prison

01:03:38.280 time

01:03:38.800 and

01:03:39.900 from

01:03:40.260 the

01:03:40.620 profits

01:03:41.000 from

01:03:41.180 my

01:03:41.380 sales

01:03:41.600 at

01:03:41.720 my

01:03:41.800 public

01:03:42.000 events

01:03:42.380 I

01:03:42.760 donate

01:03:43.100 books

01:03:43.560 to

01:03:43.780 kids

01:03:44.040 in

01:03:44.220 state

01:03:44.440 schools

01:03:44.860 and

01:03:45.460 to

01:03:45.620 prisoners

01:03:45.980 and

01:03:46.480 in

01:03:46.580 the

01:03:46.680 last

01:03:46.880 three

01:03:47.100 years

01:03:47.360 now

01:03:47.640 I've

01:03:47.900 managed

01:03:48.160 to

01:03:48.300 donate

01:03:48.480 20,000

01:03:49.140 books

01:03:49.520 do

01:03:50.240 yoga

01:03:50.620 believe

01:03:51.040 in

01:03:51.200 karma

01:03:51.580 all

01:03:52.260 these

01:03:52.500 kind

01:03:52.840 blog

01:03:53.200 readers

01:03:53.780 sent

01:03:54.760 me

01:03:54.920 books

01:03:55.240 from

01:03:55.420 all

01:03:55.560 over

01:03:55.720 the

01:03:55.840 world

01:03:56.020 because

01:03:56.180 my

01:03:56.340 writing

01:03:56.680 was

01:03:56.840 smuggled

01:03:57.140 out

01:03:57.260 the

01:03:57.360 jail

01:03:57.560 it

01:03:57.680 went

01:03:57.860 on

01:03:58.020 to

01:03:58.120 attract

01:03:58.380 international

01:03:58.840 attention

01:03:59.100 attention

01:03:59.540 all

01:04:00.880 these

01:04:01.080 kind

01:04:01.340 people

01:04:01.580 it was

01:04:01.740 like

01:04:01.820 a

01:04:01.960 real

01:04:02.160 Shawshank

01:04:02.660 redemption

01:04:03.000 moment

01:04:03.360 were

01:04:03.540 filling

01:04:03.760 the

01:04:03.940 prison

01:04:04.160 library

01:04:04.500 up

01:04:04.780 so

01:04:05.300 I

01:04:05.540 give

01:04:05.760 back

01:04:06.020 now

01:04:06.220 to

01:04:06.380 these

01:04:06.600 kids

01:04:06.860 and

01:04:06.980 these

01:04:07.140 prisoners

01:04:07.560 in

01:04:08.160 the

01:04:08.320 hope

01:04:08.540 that

01:04:08.880 reading

01:04:09.680 will

01:04:09.880 help

01:04:10.100 them

01:04:10.320 in

01:04:10.440 their

01:04:10.600 journey

01:04:10.980 and

01:04:11.780 in

01:04:11.900 the

01:04:12.040 last

01:04:12.300 question

01:04:12.740 I'll

01:04:13.220 ask

01:04:14.000 you

01:04:14.160 as

01:04:14.260 we

01:04:14.400 address

01:04:14.660 it

01:04:14.820 a

01:04:14.900 little

01:04:15.040 bit

01:04:15.220 I'm

01:04:15.360 curious

01:04:15.640 what

01:04:15.920 you

01:04:16.000 can

01:04:16.120 say

01:04:16.260 obviously

01:04:16.480 you've

01:04:16.760 thought

01:04:17.600 about

01:04:17.860 this

01:04:18.020 I'm

01:04:18.200 in

01:04:18.260 the

01:04:18.360 financial

01:04:18.680 industry

01:04:19.120 so

01:04:19.380 for

01:04:19.560 me

01:04:19.740 everything

01:04:20.260 within

01:04:20.560 the

01:04:20.760 industry

01:04:21.060 I

01:04:21.260 have

01:04:21.420 to

01:04:21.540 study

01:04:21.800 because

01:04:22.060 I'm

01:04:22.240 in

01:04:22.320 that

01:04:22.460 space

01:04:22.820 I'm

01:04:23.000 in

01:04:23.060 the

01:04:23.160 insurance

01:04:23.380 space

01:04:23.680 the

01:04:24.300 good

01:04:24.540 bad

01:04:24.700 and

01:04:24.840 the

01:04:24.960 ugly

01:04:25.220 what

01:04:26.160 would

01:04:26.560 be

01:04:26.760 the

01:04:26.940 solution

01:04:27.460 like

01:04:28.080 what

01:04:28.400 would

01:04:28.640 really

01:04:28.960 be

01:04:29.160 the

01:04:29.340 solution

01:04:29.760 to

01:04:30.020 not

01:04:30.300 have

01:04:30.760 some

01:04:31.360 of

01:04:31.480 these

01:04:31.660 petty

01:04:32.100 crimes

01:04:33.540 that

01:04:33.760 people

01:04:34.040 are

01:04:34.220 doing

01:04:34.460 to

01:04:34.600 put

01:04:34.760 them

01:04:34.840 in

01:04:34.980 prison

01:04:35.240 do

01:04:35.440 you

01:04:35.600 separate

01:04:36.000 petty

01:04:36.340 crime

01:04:36.780 you

01:04:37.420 know

01:04:37.560 petty

01:04:37.800 criminals

01:04:38.340 in

01:04:38.700 different

01:04:39.020 prisons

01:04:39.420 do

01:04:39.620 you

01:04:39.740 put

01:04:40.380 them

01:04:40.500 through

01:04:40.740 90

01:04:41.520 day

01:04:42.020 probationary

01:04:43.380 school

01:04:43.880 kind

01:04:44.200 of

01:04:44.340 system

01:04:44.680 where

01:04:44.920 you're

01:04:45.120 on

01:04:45.280 lockdown

01:04:45.720 what

01:04:46.360 would

01:04:46.580 your

01:04:46.760 suggestion

01:04:47.220 be

01:04:47.540 I

01:04:47.820 say

01:04:48.120 this

01:04:48.420 in

01:04:48.840 the

01:04:49.380 UK

01:04:49.740 to

01:04:50.020 people

01:04:50.420 we

01:04:51.000 shouldn't

01:04:51.260 be

01:04:51.400 following

01:04:51.640 the

01:04:51.820 American

01:04:52.120 model

01:04:52.540 we

01:04:53.100 should

01:04:53.320 be

01:04:53.500 following

01:04:53.860 the

01:04:54.400 countries

01:04:54.720 that

01:04:54.860 are

01:04:54.980 closing

01:04:55.360 prisons

01:04:55.780 down

01:04:56.100 right

01:04:56.340 now

01:04:56.560 because

01:04:56.860 they

01:04:57.020 got

01:04:57.180 spare

01:04:57.440 capacity

01:04:57.960 so

01:04:58.600 petty

01:04:58.900 crime

01:04:59.320 like

01:04:59.740 I

01:04:59.860 said

01:05:00.060 it's

01:05:00.260 low

01:05:00.540 level

01:05:00.820 drug

01:05:01.120 use

01:05:01.560 should

01:05:02.040 that

01:05:02.220 even

01:05:02.480 be

01:05:02.660 a

01:05:02.800 crime

01:05:03.120 these

01:05:03.840 people

01:05:04.160 need

01:05:04.420 help

01:05:04.760 Portugal

01:05:05.920 had

01:05:06.300 over

01:05:06.500 100,000

01:05:07.200 heroin

01:05:07.560 addicts

01:05:08.220 they

01:05:08.780 were

01:05:08.900 following

01:05:09.180 the

01:05:09.320 American

01:05:09.640 model

01:05:09.880 they

01:05:10.020 said

01:05:10.120 this

01:05:10.280 is

01:05:10.420 not

01:05:10.580 working

01:05:10.880 anymore

01:05:11.300 let's

01:05:12.140 legalize

01:05:12.680 let's

01:05:12.880 decriminalize

01:05:13.420 let's

01:05:13.640 see

01:05:13.780 what

01:05:13.940 happens

01:05:14.380 the

01:05:14.920 police

01:05:15.140 said

01:05:15.300 if

01:05:15.420 you

01:05:15.520 do

01:05:15.680 that

01:05:15.880 what

01:05:16.100 kind

01:05:16.360 of

01:05:16.460 an

01:05:16.560 example

01:05:16.900 does

01:05:17.080 it

01:05:17.160 set

01:05:17.320 to

01:05:17.440 young

01:05:17.640 people

01:05:18.080 decriminalizing

01:05:19.920 heroin

01:05:20.400 there'll

01:05:20.920 be

01:05:21.040 people

01:05:21.360 doing

01:05:21.600 this

01:05:21.760 all

01:05:21.920 over

01:05:22.140 the

01:05:22.320 streets

01:05:22.720 what

01:05:23.320 actually

01:05:23.640 happened

01:05:24.040 was

01:05:24.520 the

01:05:25.080 addicts

01:05:25.500 were

01:05:25.560 no

01:05:25.800 longer

01:05:26.160 afraid

01:05:26.520 of

01:05:26.680 getting

01:05:26.880 arrested

01:05:27.280 they

01:05:28.440 talked

01:05:28.800 to

01:05:28.940 the

01:05:29.060 health

01:05:29.260 teams

01:05:29.660 who

01:05:29.840 counsel

01:05:30.220 them

01:05:30.600 and

01:05:31.160 Portugal

01:05:31.700 more

01:05:32.320 than

01:05:32.500 halved

01:05:33.240 their

01:05:33.720 heroin

01:05:34.080 addicts

01:05:34.820 of

01:05:36.220 all

01:05:36.460 of

01:05:36.600 the

01:05:36.720 types

01:05:36.980 of

01:05:37.120 drug

01:05:37.320 users

01:05:37.760 heroin

01:05:38.420 is

01:05:39.160 a

01:05:39.300 minuscule

01:05:39.780 amount

01:05:40.180 of

01:05:40.860 drug

01:05:41.380 use

01:05:41.800 but

01:05:42.460 disproportionately

01:05:43.500 it

01:05:44.020 causes

01:05:44.380 the

01:05:44.600 most

01:05:44.840 petty

01:05:45.360 crime

01:05:45.880 shoplifting

01:05:47.400 burglaries

01:05:49.080 which

01:05:49.300 isn't

01:05:49.500 petty

01:05:49.660 crime

01:05:49.840 it's

01:05:49.960 more

01:05:50.100 serious

01:05:50.380 and

01:05:50.780 acquisitive

01:05:51.960 crime

01:05:52.280 it

01:05:52.460 causes

01:05:52.740 the

01:05:52.960 majority

01:05:53.460 of

01:05:53.780 it

01:05:53.960 when

01:05:54.800 you

01:05:55.040 legalize

01:05:55.880 and

01:05:56.000 decriminalize

01:05:56.680 because

01:05:57.760 it

01:05:57.840 doesn't

01:05:58.020 cost

01:05:58.800 it

01:05:59.900 doesn't

01:06:03.760 cost

01:06:03.920 the

01:06:04.020 taxpayer

01:06:04.340 much

01:06:04.740 then

01:06:05.460 they

01:06:05.600 don't

01:06:05.780 have

01:06:06.020 to

01:06:06.220 go

01:06:06.540 out

01:06:06.700 stealing

01:06:06.980 all

01:06:07.200 day

01:06:07.380 so

01:06:07.700 the

01:06:07.880 petty

01:06:08.360 crime

01:06:08.700 around

01:06:08.980 it

01:06:09.160 collapsed

01:06:09.520 as

01:06:09.700 well

01:06:09.860 and

01:06:10.460 the

01:06:10.840 transmission

01:06:11.500 of

01:06:12.100 diseases

01:06:12.600 from

01:06:12.860 sharing

01:06:13.140 dirty

01:06:13.480 needles

01:06:13.880 it

01:06:14.300 would

01:06:14.500 be

01:06:14.760 interesting

01:06:15.340 because

01:06:15.560 you

01:06:15.700 know

01:06:15.780 when

01:06:15.940 you

01:06:16.040 go

01:06:16.160 to

01:06:16.280 Alcatraz

01:06:16.820 the

01:06:17.040 first

01:06:17.240 thing

01:06:17.360 they

01:06:17.460 do

01:06:17.600 when

01:06:17.700 you

01:06:17.760 go

01:06:17.860 to

01:06:17.980 San

01:06:18.320 Francisco

01:06:18.640 I

01:06:18.800 don't

01:06:18.880 know

01:06:18.960 if

01:06:19.060 you

01:06:19.140 been

01:06:19.340 they

01:06:19.500 show

01:06:19.720 you

01:06:19.820 the

01:06:19.920 stats

01:06:20.220 here's

01:06:20.440 how

01:06:20.520 many

01:06:20.660 people

01:06:28.800 Russia

01:06:29.100 and

01:06:29.240 then

01:06:29.360 you

01:06:29.480 see

01:06:29.680 the

01:06:30.320 stats

01:06:30.580 going

01:06:30.880 down

01:06:31.220 I

01:06:31.680 don't

01:06:31.980 know

01:06:32.380 if

01:06:32.820 America

01:06:33.340 has

01:06:33.560 figured

01:06:33.860 out

01:06:34.160 the

01:06:34.420 perfect

01:06:34.900 solution

01:06:35.420 on

01:06:35.720 how

01:06:35.940 to

01:06:36.300 do

01:06:37.140 this

01:06:37.480 I

01:06:37.640 saw

01:06:37.820 there's

01:06:38.060 a

01:06:38.240 76

01:06:38.820 billion

01:06:39.340 dollar

01:06:39.780 a

01:06:40.000 year

01:06:40.140 number

01:06:40.520 that

01:06:40.740 we

01:06:40.880 spend

01:06:41.260 for

01:06:42.060 prisons

01:06:42.660 and

01:06:42.980 this

01:06:43.140 is

01:06:43.260 a

01:06:43.400 2011

01:06:44.000 stat

01:06:44.660 is

01:06:44.880 what

01:06:45.020 I

01:06:45.180 saw

01:06:45.440 I

01:06:46.000 don't

01:06:46.140 know

01:06:46.260 if

01:06:46.400 we

01:06:46.540 figured

01:06:46.900 out

01:06:47.100 the

01:06:47.260 way

01:06:47.520 but

01:06:48.420 I

01:06:48.580 do

01:06:48.840 believe

01:06:49.220 that

01:06:49.420 there

01:06:49.580 needs

01:06:49.820 to

01:06:49.980 be

01:06:50.120 major

01:06:50.480 adjustments

01:06:50.980 being

01:06:51.300 made

01:06:51.680 because

01:06:58.800 1

01:06:59.680 in

01:06:59.840 20

01:07:00.180 that's

01:07:00.660 a

01:07:00.760 pretty

01:07:00.920 big

01:07:01.160 number

01:07:01.380 to

01:07:01.520 have

01:07:01.640 1

01:07:01.800 in

01:07:01.900 20

01:07:02.080 go

01:07:02.260 to

01:07:02.380 prison

01:07:02.660 so

01:07:03.360 either

01:07:03.800 it

01:07:05.320 doesn't

01:07:05.700 need

01:07:05.920 to

01:07:06.060 be

01:07:06.200 that

01:07:06.420 many

01:07:06.660 going

01:07:07.020 or

01:07:07.720 there

01:07:07.920 needs

01:07:08.140 to

01:07:08.260 be

01:07:08.400 a

01:07:08.540 better

01:07:08.820 step

01:07:09.560 process

01:07:10.160 1

01:07:10.620 2

01:07:10.820 3

01:07:11.140 on

01:07:11.320 what

01:07:11.480 happens

01:07:11.840 and

01:07:11.980 how

01:07:12.100 you

01:07:12.240 go

01:07:12.400 to

01:07:12.640 it

01:07:12.800 what

01:07:13.160 are

01:07:13.220 your

01:07:13.320 thoughts

01:07:13.600 on

01:07:13.780 that

01:07:13.960 America

01:07:14.560 does

01:07:14.900 have

01:07:15.200 it

01:07:15.380 figured

01:07:15.740 out

01:07:15.960 exactly

01:07:16.420 where

01:07:16.680 it

01:07:16.800 wants

01:07:17.100 it

01:07:17.280 this

01:07:17.760 is

01:07:17.900 old

01:07:18.160 school

01:07:18.420 money

01:07:18.740 they

01:07:19.440 don't

01:07:19.600 want

01:07:19.780 any

01:07:28.800 there's

01:07:32.880 like

01:07:33.040 a

01:07:33.180 pipeline

01:07:33.700 to

01:07:33.880 prison

01:07:34.300 program

01:07:35.140 in

01:07:35.300 America

01:07:35.580 now

01:07:35.960 to

01:07:36.440 enhance

01:07:36.920 this

01:07:37.280 cash

01:07:38.420 to

01:07:38.600 kids

01:07:38.860 judges

01:07:39.360 the

01:07:40.020 old

01:07:40.280 money

01:07:40.640 wants

01:07:41.840 to

01:07:42.000 maintain

01:07:42.440 this

01:07:42.840 US

01:07:43.400 federal

01:07:43.700 government

01:07:44.100 has

01:07:44.280 got

01:07:44.460 weed

01:07:44.700 as

01:07:44.840 a

01:07:44.980 schedule

01:07:45.260 one

01:07:45.520 substance

01:07:46.080 more

01:07:46.660 harmful

01:07:47.000 than

01:07:47.180 crystal

01:07:47.480 meth

01:07:47.700 and

01:07:47.860 cocaine

01:07:48.300 with

01:07:48.780 no

01:07:49.000 medicinal

01:07:49.380 value

01:07:49.760 whatsoever

01:07:50.160 because

01:07:50.640 that's

01:07:50.880 what

01:07:51.020 maximizes

01:07:51.620 corporate

01:07:52.000 profits

01:07:52.520 they're

01:07:53.180 not

01:07:53.300 interested

01:07:53.660 in

01:07:53.800 the

01:07:53.880 welfare

01:07:54.120 of

01:07:54.320 these

01:07:54.440 young

01:07:54.600 people

01:07:54.820 getting

01:07:55.040 tossed

01:07:55.300 into

01:07:55.560 these

01:07:56.040 prisons

01:07:56.420 there's

01:07:56.820 people

01:07:57.040 doing

01:07:57.240 25

01:07:57.900 to

01:07:58.100 life

01:07:58.480 for

01:07:58.980 joints

01:07:59.260 of

01:07:59.380 weed

01:07:59.520 on

01:07:59.640 the

01:07:59.740 three

01:07:59.880 strikes

01:08:00.260 laws

01:08:00.680 there's

01:08:01.540 people

01:08:01.740 doing

01:08:01.960 it

01:08:02.160 for

01:08:02.520 stealing

01:08:03.040 pizzas

01:08:03.600 25

01:08:04.560 to

01:08:04.800 life

01:08:05.020 in

01:08:05.180 California

01:08:05.620 they

01:08:06.160 tried

01:08:06.420 to

01:08:06.580 repeal

01:08:06.920 the

01:08:07.060 three

01:08:07.240 strikes

01:08:07.560 law

01:08:07.760 in

01:08:07.880 California

01:08:08.240 25

01:08:09.080 to

01:08:09.320 life

01:08:09.540 for

01:08:09.660 stealing

01:08:09.900 a

01:08:10.060 pizza

01:08:10.280 guy

01:08:10.500 was

01:08:10.660 doing

01:08:10.940 $50,000

01:08:12.080 a

01:08:12.220 year

01:08:12.460 $1.25

01:08:13.340 million

01:08:13.760 for

01:08:14.180 $10

01:08:14.420 pizza

01:08:14.940 why

01:08:15.480 are we

01:08:15.720 the

01:08:15.880 taxpayers

01:08:16.280 of

01:08:16.540 California

01:08:17.000 paying

01:08:17.520 for

01:08:17.680 this

01:08:18.000 when

01:08:18.680 it

01:08:18.780 went

01:08:18.940 to

01:08:19.080 get

01:08:19.200 repealed

01:08:19.640 people

01:08:20.520 who

01:08:20.720 put

01:08:20.840 money

01:08:21.080 up

01:08:21.320 put

01:08:21.700 money

01:08:21.920 up

01:08:22.120 to

01:08:22.280 get

01:08:22.520 introduced

01:08:23.000 stopped

01:08:23.540 it

01:08:23.660 getting

01:08:23.820 repealed

01:08:24.260 prison

01:08:24.860 guards

01:08:25.220 union

01:08:25.460 of

01:08:25.640 California

01:08:26.260 broadcom

01:08:27.360 exclusive

01:08:28.180 provider

01:08:28.740 of

01:08:28.920 telephone

01:08:29.360 services

01:08:29.860 to

01:08:30.040 the

01:08:30.160 California

01:08:30.640 state

01:08:30.960 prison

01:08:31.200 system

01:08:31.620 the

01:08:32.200 taxpayers

01:08:32.660 money

01:08:33.240 is a

01:08:34.120 feeding

01:08:34.720 trough

01:08:35.540 to

01:08:36.300 the

01:08:36.460 corporations

01:08:37.040 to

01:08:37.540 these

01:08:37.740 parasites

01:08:38.360 the

01:08:39.340 political

01:08:40.300 contributions

01:08:40.900 to the

01:08:41.200 legislators

01:08:41.600 and the

01:08:41.840 politicians

01:08:42.140 coming

01:08:42.420 down

01:08:42.800 are

01:08:43.240 in

01:08:43.320 the

01:08:43.440 tens

01:08:43.660 of

01:08:43.800 millions

01:08:44.080 why

01:08:44.920 change

01:08:45.360 that

01:08:45.620 it's

01:08:46.020 just

01:08:46.160 one

01:08:46.340 big

01:08:46.540 money

01:08:46.760 go

01:08:46.960 around

01:08:47.300 by

01:08:47.820 a

01:08:47.960 select

01:08:48.180 group

01:08:48.380 of

01:08:48.520 people

01:08:48.760 but

01:08:49.160 what's

01:08:49.360 happened

01:08:49.560 is

01:08:49.820 the

01:08:50.160 American

01:08:50.500 people

01:08:50.820 are

01:08:50.980 sick

01:08:51.180 of

01:08:51.340 it

01:08:51.540 at

01:08:52.400 the

01:08:52.520 state

01:08:52.800 level

01:08:53.100 you

01:08:53.300 guys

01:08:53.520 are

01:08:53.620 now

01:08:53.780 voting

01:08:54.080 to

01:08:54.280 legalize

01:08:54.820 and

01:08:54.960 decriminalize

01:08:55.680 weed

01:08:56.240 that's

01:08:56.780 not the

01:08:57.040 US

01:08:57.220 federal

01:08:57.740 government

01:08:58.040 that's

01:08:58.380 the

01:08:58.500 people

01:08:58.820 the

01:08:59.380 people

01:08:59.620 over

01:08:59.800 there

01:08:59.960 are

01:09:00.080 sick

01:09:00.380 of

01:09:00.720 their

01:09:00.880 kids

01:09:01.180 getting

01:09:01.400 thrown

01:09:01.640 in

01:09:01.760 these

01:09:01.860 prisons

01:09:02.180 where

01:09:02.380 they

01:09:02.500 just

01:09:02.660 graduate

01:09:03.160 to

01:09:03.640 harder

01:09:03.880 crime

01:09:04.340 the

01:09:04.900 sick

01:09:05.200 of

01:09:05.400 their

01:09:05.560 kids

01:09:05.900 who

01:09:06.020 are

01:09:06.100 having

01:09:06.300 the

01:09:06.500 seizures

01:09:06.900 can't

01:09:07.460 get

01:09:07.560 the

01:09:07.700 cannabis

01:09:08.020 oil

01:09:08.340 going

01:09:08.820 into

01:09:09.060 comas

01:09:09.440 and

01:09:09.620 dying

01:09:09.980 all

01:09:10.840 these

01:09:11.060 evil

01:09:11.500 politicians

01:09:12.220 who

01:09:12.820 have

01:09:12.960 maintained

01:09:13.400 this

01:09:13.620 for years

01:09:13.880 have

01:09:14.020 caused

01:09:14.220 all

01:09:14.560 these

01:09:14.760 kids

01:09:15.020 to

01:09:15.200 die

01:09:15.400 over

01:09:15.580 the

01:09:15.740 years

01:09:15.900 who

01:09:16.020 couldn't

01:09:16.240 get

01:09:16.400 their

01:09:16.580 medicine

01:09:16.920 but

01:09:17.600 when

01:09:17.760 you

01:09:17.880 now

01:09:18.100 produce

01:09:18.580 a

01:09:18.760 kid

01:09:19.020 on

01:09:19.560 the

01:09:19.680 internet

01:09:20.020 and

01:09:20.420 technology

01:09:20.920 is

01:09:21.120 making

01:09:21.340 all

01:09:21.600 this

01:09:21.740 word

01:09:21.980 spread

01:09:22.400 so

01:09:22.660 fast

01:09:23.140 these

01:09:24.000 evil

01:09:24.280 politicians

01:09:24.680 can't

01:09:25.040 go up

01:09:25.240 against

01:09:25.460 these

01:09:25.700 dying

01:09:25.960 kids

01:09:26.280 and

01:09:26.680 that's

01:09:26.860 how

01:09:26.960 it's

01:09:27.140 fallen

01:09:27.480 at the

01:09:28.500 state

01:09:28.700 level

01:09:28.960 and

01:09:29.260 that's

01:09:29.460 the

01:09:29.560 hope

01:09:29.740 I

01:09:29.920 think

01:09:30.100 the

01:09:39.060 what

01:09:39.620 are

01:09:39.680 your

01:09:39.780 final

01:09:40.000 thoughts

01:09:40.300 you

01:09:40.440 have

01:09:40.720 if

01:09:40.880 you

01:09:40.960 were

01:09:41.060 to

01:09:41.160 say

01:09:41.320 here's

01:09:41.580 my

01:09:41.720 experiences

01:09:42.120 here's

01:09:42.400 what

01:09:42.540 I've

01:09:42.700 learned

01:09:42.900 here's

01:09:43.140 what

01:09:43.240 I

01:09:43.360 suggest

01:09:43.660 what

01:09:43.800 would

01:09:43.920 you

01:09:44.020 say

01:09:44.260 I'd

01:09:44.580 like

01:09:44.680 to

01:09:44.780 say

01:09:44.920 to

01:09:45.080 the

01:09:45.440 fellas

01:09:45.860 in

01:09:46.520 prison

01:09:46.780 especially

01:09:47.280 and

01:09:47.720 entrepreneurs

01:09:48.160 outside

01:09:48.680 I've

01:09:49.880 seen

01:09:50.060 parallels

01:09:50.520 in

01:09:50.800 both

01:09:51.020 worlds

01:09:51.460 as a

01:09:53.320 best

01:09:53.480 selling

01:09:53.680 author

01:09:53.880 now

01:09:54.060 on

01:09:54.180 Amazon

01:09:54.480 I've

01:09:55.300 got to

01:09:55.540 have

01:09:55.660 a

01:09:55.760 good

01:09:55.920 product

01:09:56.420 I've

01:09:56.880 got

01:09:56.980 to

01:09:57.100 market

01:09:57.660 my

01:09:57.880 product

01:09:58.300 I've

01:09:58.640 got

01:09:58.720 to

01:09:58.820 have

01:09:58.840 relationships

01:09:59.200 with

01:09:59.400 the

01:09:59.500 right

01:09:59.640 people

01:10:00.060 if

01:10:00.960 you're

01:10:01.180 in

01:10:01.320 prison

01:10:01.860 because

01:10:02.360 you

01:10:02.480 were

01:10:02.580 running

01:10:02.740 a

01:10:02.900 drug

01:10:03.060 business

01:10:03.540 you've

01:10:04.400 got

01:10:04.540 all

01:10:04.720 those

01:10:04.900 skills

01:10:05.260 plus

01:10:06.140 you're

01:10:06.820 watching

01:10:07.140 your

01:10:07.360 back

01:10:07.640 avoiding

01:10:08.060 the

01:10:08.280 police

01:10:08.580 doing

01:10:08.880 all

01:10:09.060 this

01:10:09.180 other

01:10:09.360 stuff

01:10:09.580 as

01:10:09.720 well

01:10:09.900 your

01:10:10.300 skill

01:10:10.620 set

01:10:10.860 is

01:10:11.000 enhanced

01:10:11.520 so

01:10:12.260 I

01:10:12.440 hope

01:10:12.720 that

01:10:12.880 people

01:10:13.120 who

01:10:13.280 see

01:10:13.580 me

01:10:13.960 I've

01:10:14.420 got

01:10:14.580 out

01:10:14.740 of

01:10:14.840 prison

01:10:15.120 become

01:10:15.720 a

01:10:16.100 success

01:10:16.460 story

01:10:17.220 I hope

01:10:18.080 that

01:10:18.320 inspires

01:10:18.860 them

01:10:19.160 to do

01:10:19.720 well

01:10:19.900 in

01:10:20.000 the

01:10:20.100 world

01:10:20.320 as

01:10:20.520 well

01:10:20.780 what

01:10:21.140 book

01:10:21.480 would

01:10:21.700 you

01:10:29.200 my

01:10:29.940 years

01:10:30.260 before

01:10:30.540 I

01:10:30.660 got

01:10:30.780 arrested

01:10:31.120 and

01:10:31.540 my

01:10:31.740 jail

01:10:32.000 time

01:10:32.440 so

01:10:32.860 that

01:10:32.980 party

01:10:33.440 time

01:10:33.880 is

01:10:34.240 everything

01:10:34.540 when I

01:10:34.920 got

01:10:35.020 arrested

01:10:35.360 my

01:10:35.580 dealings

01:10:35.900 with

01:10:35.980 the

01:10:36.100 mafia

01:10:36.380 rising

01:10:37.140 up

01:10:37.260 the

01:10:37.360 ranks

01:10:37.560 in

01:10:37.720 the

01:10:37.820 ecstasy

01:10:38.080 world

01:10:38.440 and

01:10:39.160 then

01:10:39.540 hard

01:10:40.140 time

01:10:40.600 is

01:10:41.240 first

01:10:42.080 going

01:10:42.340 into

01:10:42.540 the

01:10:42.700 jail

01:10:42.920 that

01:10:43.120 was

01:10:43.440 the

01:10:43.640 deadliest

01:10:44.280 period

01:10:45.040 of

01:10:45.200 time

01:10:45.400 for

01:10:45.560 me

01:10:45.700 I've

01:10:46.220 also

01:10:46.460 got

01:10:46.700 hundreds

01:10:47.140 of

01:10:47.340 questions

01:10:47.800 answered

01:10:48.180 on my

01:10:48.620 YouTube

01:10:49.060 prison

01:10:49.520 questions

01:10:49.960 playlist

01:10:50.320 as

01:10:50.620 well

01:10:50.800 yeah

01:10:51.060 by the

01:10:52.020 way

01:10:52.140 he

01:10:52.300 has

01:10:52.540 stuff

01:10:52.820 that

01:10:52.980 he

01:10:53.100 talks

01:10:53.300 about

01:10:53.480 Pablo

01:10:53.780 Escobar

01:10:54.400 you

01:10:54.960 talk

01:10:55.280 about

01:10:55.740 how

01:10:56.320 the

01:10:56.560 Kali

01:10:57.040 worked

01:10:58.160 with

01:10:58.700 you

01:10:59.200 know

01:10:59.480 the

01:10:59.800 DEA

01:11:00.620 to help

01:11:01.200 take out

01:11:01.880 Pablo

01:11:02.260 it's a

01:11:02.540 real

01:11:02.720 interesting

01:11:03.140 things

01:11:03.380 you

01:11:03.520 talk

01:11:03.780 about

01:11:04.060 on

01:11:04.800 your

01:11:04.940 channel

01:11:05.300 but

01:11:05.540 if

01:11:05.660 you

01:11:05.740 got

01:11:05.900 anything

01:11:06.300 you

01:11:06.560 took

01:11:06.780 away

01:11:06.980 you

01:11:07.100 got

01:11:07.240 questions

01:11:07.660 for

01:11:07.880 Sean

01:11:08.180 he's

01:11:09.000 on

01:11:09.200 Twitter

01:11:09.580 I

01:11:09.860 know

01:11:09.960 you

01:11:10.100 and

01:11:10.200 I

01:11:10.300 were

01:11:10.460 going

01:11:10.680 back

01:11:10.900 and

01:11:11.080 forward

01:11:11.260 yesterday

01:11:11.520 on

01:11:11.720 Twitter

01:11:12.020 send

01:11:12.720 him

01:11:12.920 a

01:11:13.100 tweet

01:11:13.420 or

01:11:13.680 send

01:11:13.960 me

01:11:14.140 a

01:11:14.280 tweet

01:11:14.500 based

01:11:14.760 on

01:11:22.820 thanks

01:11:24.040 for

01:11:24.220 coming

01:11:24.420 out

01:11:24.560 thanks

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Valuetainment - April 26, 2019

Episode 290： Ecstasy Kingpin Reveals His Experience with Mexican Mafia & Sammy The Bull

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