Episode 393: Who Can Beat Trump In 2020
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Summary
In this episode, Patrick Medvee and I discuss the history of presidential election landslides and explain why Donald Trump can t beat Donald Trump in 2020. We also talk about why George H.W. Bush and George W.J. Bush are the only two candidates who have ever won a presidential election.
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30 seconds. One time for the underdog. Ignition sequence start. Let me see you put them up. Reach the sky, turn the stars up above. Cause it's one time for the underdog. One time for the underdog.
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I'm Patrick Medevi, host of IITM, and today we're going to talk about who can actually beat Donald Trump in 2020 election.
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So let's get right into it. By the way, this is going to be probably the most technically challenging election to win because the moving parts today are way more than they've ever been.
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So strategically, winning this one is like winning a war in ways no country or nation has ever had to face. Very technical to win today's election, but we'll cover that.
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Let's first go into the history books. Okay. From 1920 till today, who's won presidency and what are some events that are taking place?
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Obviously, 2020 we don't know yet. We have President Trump as a Republican nominee. If he stays this way, then we have the Democratic nominee that we'll find out who it's going to be.
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There's a lot of guys fighting for, but we'll find out who it's going to be.
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2016 Trump meets Hillary Clinton, 306 to 232. Then it's Romney, Obama. Obama wins 332 to 206. McCain-Obama. Obama wins 365 to 173.
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Kerry went against Bush Jr. in 2004. 286 to 251. Bush wins. Bush Jr. against Gore. Very close one. Nader was also competing in this one.
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You're looking at 271 to 266. One of the closest elections of all time where Florida had to come out and figure out and recount all this stuff.
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Anyways, Bush Jr. ends up winning and beats Al Gore.
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1996 Bob Dole against Clinton. Clinton wins Bill, 379 to 159, a landslide.
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And Bill Clinton also beat Bush Sr. four years prior to that, 370 to 168.
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And in that year, 1992, there's an interview done with George Bush Sr. before he passed away.
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And the interviewer asked the question about, what are your thoughts about Ross Perl?
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It was the only topic he didn't want to talk about because he got upset when the name Ross Perl was mentioned.
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Because if Ross Perl doesn't run in that election, odds are George Bush Sr. would have won again.
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He was a former director of CIA, decorated type of a resume.
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But Ross Perl helped Bill Clinton become president. Very interesting election.
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Then prior to that, I was senior against Dukakis.
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It was interesting when Dukakis tried to go around in the tank and didn't look good.
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Military kind of people started making fun of them.
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And in one of the cases during the debate, somebody asked him, what would you do if somebody, you know, was to rape your wife?
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Would you want that person to get the death penalty?
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And instead of showing any kind of emotion on what happened to his wife, he just went very illogical.
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And the American people are like, does this guy have a heart?
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He just, the person that asks you the question in the debate, that's your wife.
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And so that lost, and the other tank thing hurt him, and the next thing you know, he loses.
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By the way, he had a chance of actually beating Bush Sr., but ended up changing due to debates and a couple other things.
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And then Reagan, Carter, also a landslide, 489 to 49.
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Prior to that, Nixon went against McGovern, 520 to 17.
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Landslide, second biggest landslide, based on what we're talking about here.
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Third biggest landslide we'll talk about here in a minute.
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Why McGovern lost is a very interesting story on what some of the guys, the nominees, when it comes down to the real debate.
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This decision, one decision, hurt McGovern from the chances of beating Nixon, but it didn't happen.
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Nixon went against Humphrey, beat him out 302 to 191.
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George Wallace was also in it, but he won that one.
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In 1964, Goldwater went against Lyndon Johnson, and that one, obviously, Goldwater lost as a Republican.
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And this was a time, the reason why it's a landslide is because Goldwater didn't necessarily support civil rights.
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And prior to that, in 1960, African Americans voted 60% of African Americans voted Democrat, 40% voted Republican.
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But after Goldwater, the next election, for what he did, it went from 64% to 92% of African Americans voting Democrat,
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because they were not happy about a Republican taking a position there.
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So it shifted the African American vote to pretty much all Democratic, because of that one single event that takes place.
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This is very interesting, because during that time, in 1950 in America, elections were being shown on TV and radio.
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So when the 1960 debate took place between Nixon and John F. Kennedy, what people didn't know is
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Nixon had just come out of the hospital, and he was sick, he was hospitalized for several days,
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he didn't shave, he had a 5 o'clock shave, he looked totally tired, and John F. Kennedy showed up tanned,
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88% of Americans had TV to watch and said, oh my gosh, John F. Kennedy won.
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But the interesting thing part, was that everybody that was listening to the radio, they said Nixon won.
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It's the greatest landslide in the last 100 years.
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And then Coolidge goes against Robert Lafollette, and he wins.
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And then last but not least, Harding goes against Coase, and he wins as well.
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So when you look at this, a couple things to think about.
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The yellows is when a president, the existing president, runs for re-election, and they lose.
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Ford didn't ever get nominated for president or vice president.
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It just so happens that it was a tricky thing that happened that he ended up becoming a president.
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And then obviously Hoover lost as well when against FDR.
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So when you're looking at this, it's important to know history and events that shift everything
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You've got to realize, a lot of things up here that shifted had to do with social media.
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A lot changed there when people started looking at this stuff.
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You hear a lot of different things that's being debated.
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What could cause an election to be won or lost?
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What are the topics that are people wanting to know about?
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Guy asked me a question saying, Pat, I'm in Yontville.
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Yontville, one of the fun factors, it's a city that has more Michelin star restaurants
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And a guy comes up and he says, hey, Pat, so what do you think is going to happen with
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More than my entire, in my generation, I've never seen so many different moving parts.
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There's so many things changing that you've got to almost pay attention to the things
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So five key geopolitical issues that are trending right now, number one is power plays by different
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U.S., Russia, we're talking about trade wars, sanctions, 5G, AI.
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And even right now, conversations of China willing to work with U.S.
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And they're willing to share the 5G technology.
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I think ended up getting two and a half, three million views.
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And one of the things that I said is, Trump's playing the card of 5G with sanctions on China
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with the hopes of China being able to give the technology of 5G for U.S. to be able to
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And they weren't going to give it to U.S. because a lot of 57 different countries apparently
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But now China's kind of starting to be open to because the whole Made in China 2025 plan
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to become the largest, most powerful empire in the world is kind of shifted just because
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So we don't still know what's going to happen here, but it's definitely one of the issues.
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The second point is global economic risk, which is the market crash.
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That could definitely hurt Trump because Trump is always using the economy card.
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So if it doesn't work for President Trump, that's going to hurt him.
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I mean, they're not sitting there saying, okay, U.S., let's find a way to negotiate.
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And the whole controversy is what just happened.
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The foreign minister, if you haven't seen the sit-down with CNN, one of the commentators
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on CNN, sit-down with the foreign minister of Iran, Mohammad Zarif, you should hear how
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He's just saying, if you want to go to war, we're ready.
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So rather than expecting them to say, let's sit down and negotiate, they're not willing to
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So that could be friction, especially during a time like this.
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Point number three, Saudi stresses and global energy market.
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Obviously, we know what happened with Saudi recently, where they're blaming Iran, Yemen,
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Then how did you get a strong drone like this to be able to attack?
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People, regular guys, can't have the kind of money to be able to have a drone like that.
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And it's, again, oil, who's going to have the power of oil in the Middle East, Iran,
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And then four is an eventful year for Latin America.
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Mexico has a new president who's somewhat like a Bernie Sanders socialist.
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Brazil has a new president that's somewhat a Donald Trump capitalist.
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He's changing the game over there with capitalism.
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Venezuela going through what they're going through with Maduro, and there's still friction
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So Latin America has a lot to do with the election.
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An impending war that any time anything could take place.
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President Trump is obviously saying that he is very hesitant to go to war.
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A lot of people are saying, we've got to go attack, we've got to go attack, we've got
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He's kind of holding back because he's never been for war.
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If there's one thing about him the last 30 years, he's never been for war, and he's trying
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to avoid it from going, but we'll see what's going to be taking place.
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What are we going to do with crimes and ICE and the kids?
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All these things are topics that these candidates are going to talk about.
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Elizabeth Warren is talking about the fact that she wants to help the 42 million students
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But Bernie Sanders is going to a whole different level saying, I want to wipe out $1.6 trillion
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So, you know, it sounds noble, but can we afford it to say $1.6 trillion?
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Because is the issue the debt that we write off, or is the issue colleges, why are they
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Maybe it's a price issue that colleges need to change their pricing.
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You hear a lot of people saying, who raise your hand if you're Medicare for all?
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They raise their hands automatically during the category when they do that.
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Then you got the Green New Deal, marijuana legalization.
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It's not as big as it was before because it's pretty much being accepted by a lot of states.
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It's one of the reasons why Andrew Yang came up because at least he came up saying, this
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He went from no one knowing who he is a day before, and then all of a sudden everyone
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is saying Andrew Yang, Yang gang, created a ton of momentum, passed up by a lot of people.
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I think he's number four right now as one of the candidates.
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Then it's criminal justice, cyber security, electoral college.
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Guns, medication, military, a lot of these that will come up.
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Now, here's my ideas when it's coming down to 2020 election.
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If I'm looking at who's winning today, there's 10 things I'm going to be thinking about.
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If I'm on the Democratic side, obviously I know who I'm facing off.
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And the easiest way to try to beat them is maybe the impeachment thing.
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But this whole campaign of impeaching can backfire so much because it backfired on Republicans
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So if they do this, this whole impeachment process of needing two-thirds of Senate while
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the Senate majority is Republican, to be able to beat the Senate majority at a time like
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this, you've got to be able to control the House.
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And it's just not as easy as they're making it out to be.
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So I'm surprised, quite frankly, myself that Anansi Pelosi is going out there being that
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public about being able to do something like this.
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Knowing the results are you've got to convince the Senate two-thirds.
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You may be able to have it in place, but you can't finalize it.
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So it's a move that the only time it makes sense to go and propose impeachment is if you
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In sports, basketball, if I am the best team in the NBA and I have a great center and I'm
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facing you, if you don't have somebody to match up with me and I'm the best player, you're
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going to have a hard time competing against me if I'm the most dominant team in the league
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and it's because of a big man and you don't have nobody to face off against me.
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There's got to be some kind of a matchup there, right?
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So the matchup's going to be Obama goes against McCain, young, McCain has a bigger resume,
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but people are like, I don't know, I just, McCain doesn't excite me.
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Nice, man, good resume, see the video, POW, respect.
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But Obama gets up there and talks and smiles and wife smart and both and man, I just feel
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Boy senior, you know, he's the typical guy that's, you know, been in politics for so much
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and been in CIA and man, he's so like part of the institution and he's part of the swamp.
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Or maybe you bring somebody like a Bill Clinton who's young and vibrant and at the time Hillary
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was like also pretty powerful with the matchup, right?
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And the matchup was in, there was also Ross Pro that kind of helped out.
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Reagan, Carter, oh my gosh, Reagan, dream America's the greatest country in the world
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and Carter's like, well, we are not the best nation, we got some work to do.
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Meaning, far left, liberal, far right, Republican.
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Ted Cruz is pretty much conservative in every policy you can think about, far right conservative.
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Prior to that is Reagan, right in the middle of him and Trump.
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I see Trump more as an independent, leaning right.
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It's like certain issues that many Republicans are like, what are you talking about?
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So if we put Trump here and we put Bill Clinton somewhat left, okay, when he became a president,
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This is why he was good, where a lot of people liked him, minus Monica Lewinsky.
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And I know some people always comment and say, how could you say he was a good president?
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He was willing to go across the aisle and say, Newt, what do we want to do about this?
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And then boom, the economy was doing really good.
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Obama's probably, people thought Obama was way more socialist.
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He's probably a little bit left-hand bill because he came out with the Obamacare.
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So when you look at this and say the Democratic chairman or campaign manager or whoever it
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is that's watching this, DNC chairman's watching this, he likes far left.
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But today, far left is going to lose the people in the middle.
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Trump won because a lot of the people in the middle said, okay, I can go this way.
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If they really want to have somebody that can have a real matchup about him, with him,
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So we have to keep up with the matchup to see what's going to take place there.
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Now again, they're going to choose whoever they're going to choose because it's going
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Do you remember here when I explained the story about Nixon and McGovern, why he lost 520-17?
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He calls all these guys to be his vice president.
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He makes the phone call to Senator Eagleton, who says yes, and he becomes his VP, right?
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He says, I'll agree to do it because McGovern wanted to win the Catholic vote, so he brings
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him in, but he doesn't vet the VP to find out what his background is.
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August 1st, they announced that this guy's going to be the VP.
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18 days later, he drops out because three times he was hospitalized for depression, and
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two times he went through electroshock therapy.
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And once they came out, they're like, if you can't choose the right VP, how can you make
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So whoever becomes the nominee on the Democratic side, who are they going to choose as a VP?
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They've got to do the proper background and betting from now.
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Now, if I'm working for Warren, Sanders, Biden, any of the main names, I'm already vetting
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everybody's background right now to see what they have and what they don't have.
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I'm not waiting until then, and I'm kind of starting to do the matchup to see what's
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You've seen a lot of people saying, all I know is when it comes down to the day of voting
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for a new president, as long as Trump's not president, that's what matters.
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It may sound exciting, but that campaign doesn't win.
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Because anti doesn't necessarily mean we know your plans.
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O'Rourke is all anti-Trump, anti-Trump, white supremacist, all this stuff.
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And he goes and jeans picture and vanity fair and look at me, I'm so cool, people are going
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My name is Beto, I'm white, but I can talk Spanish, and I'm trying to connect with them.
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If you only campaign around anti-Trump, you will not win.
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You're seeing some people doing that with their campaigns.
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Joe Biden, you somewhat know what he wants to do.
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But if they go to a whole anti-Trump thing, it's going to backfire on them.
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Because typically, history tells us you don't win when you go anti-Trump.
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So if you try to go against the economy, you don't have a really good argument.
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People are going to say, economy's already doing good.
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What are you going to do to the economy that's not already happening right now?
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So, but they have to be ready that if one of these things hits and economy shifts, they
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You got to have all that stuff prepared before it happens.
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So they got to be prepared in case Dow drops 3,000, 4,000, 5,000 points, what is your argument
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So number five is focusing on areas of weakness.
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So if you took all these policies of Trump, see where his weak go there that matters to
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For instance, if you go to marijuana, and that's what you're going to focus on, but American
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people are already saying, listen, man, I got it.
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It's not really going to get that kind of traction.
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It's got to be one of these issues that matters the most to the people that's going to get
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traction, or you create one, like Andrew Yang created UBI.
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We're going to lose trillions of dollars of jobs.
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We need to give everybody $1,000, and people are like, remember the first time you heard
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Then everybody started doing research that brought a lot of publicity to him.
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And now he's being interviewed all over the place because his topic resonated with a certain
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He says, hey, Senator Obama, you've been accused of plagiarizing and using other lines of other
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In this state, this person used these lines, and you used it.
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What do you think about the people that are saying you are plagiarizing your message, and
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And Obama got up there and says, look, there's really two lines that I used.
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My campaign manager, whom I trust, told me the language of what we want to do is this
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is what we want to do, and these are some of the things that we may want to talk about.
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I hope this debate is not going to get petty, and we're going to talk about lines rather
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I'd much rather spend time on policies than he starts going through listing his policies.
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He went to what matters to the American people and says, because American people want to
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be able to figure out pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, right?
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Then, Hillary, you know, what do you think about this?
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And she says, well, you know, Barack, I can appreciate that you have a very good way
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You're a great speaker, but look, if you're going to go out there and plagiarize, it's
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Then Obama says, that's not what that is, Hillary.
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So that moment, people are like, she went for a shot, and he went for policies.
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So if you're going to go a direction and get away from weaknesses, you have to be able to
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We'll see who's going to be able to do that this time.
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You know, people like, what do you call it, Reagan.
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Now, Trump, his audience likes him because he's tough.
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It's not like, because Trump's the guy that's not, you know, you don't just like Trump.
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He still has a high likability score with the people in his party.
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And it's increasing in certain areas and decreasing in certain areas.
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So when you look at the candidates, who's likable?
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Like, if people try to play the game against Trump, the way Trump is playing it, and you
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say, I'm going to go after him the way he goes after people.
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But if it's not naturally part of your approach, you're going to fail.
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Because Trump has been Trump for 70-something years.
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He didn't take a book on Masterclass or go watch a video on YouTube saying, 20 steps to
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So if you try to go at him with being witty, you're going to lose.
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They couldn't do it, because it doesn't work if you go at it with him that way.
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You've got to go, look, I understand you want to go this direction.
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But look, in reality, look what's happened in these three areas that you haven't paid
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So if I'm competing against him, I'm saying, let's focus here.
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He's going to be confused, but he's playing your game.
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Like in sports, if you're going against somebody, you want them to play your game.
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They've been playing their game longer than you.
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Whichever candidate has got a strong social media team, it's going to matter.
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Trump has an incredibly strong social media team.
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Quick videos, quick edits, creative ideas, videos.
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You know, video that gets six million views, two million views, eight million views, three
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The moment you have a line, boom, put that up there.
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The moment you have another one, put that up there.
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Social media team is going to be very, very critical because, you know, when we're talking
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at 88, Nixon went against JFK and there was, not 88, 88% of TVs, people had TVs in America
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Oh my gosh, did you hear what Elizabeth Warren just said to Trump?
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You can't compete with 132 rallies if you're only going to do 63.
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Every time you saw President Trump, another Facebook Live, another Facebook Live, another
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Another Facebook Live, another Facebook Live, another Facebook Live, one Hillary.
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You know how people say, well, everybody on the left, and the media's on the left.
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The only TV station that's on the right is Fox News.
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So one time I'm listening to this guy, Morning Joe.
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And he grew up conservative, but he went to a very liberal school.
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Every time I brought up a point to debate, and I was against the teacher, 20 students would
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attack me, and the teacher always defended the 20 students.
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And everybody else in class is pretty much liberal.
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Every time the teacher agreed with the students, the students didn't need to go do research
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to make their arguments stronger because the teacher already agreed.
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But every time they disagreed with me, I had to go make my arguments stronger.
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All the guys in the media, they get up and say, if Biden went against today, they would
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What they don't realize is, when you put as if Biden or Warren or Sanders already has an
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edge against Trump, you know what you're doing.
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Let me explain to you what this media is doing.
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And conservatives watch this on CNN or MSNBC or ABC.
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So what media doesn't know is, even though they're going to be pro-whoever on the left,
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they're going to hurt the left because all they do is defend the left and voters don't
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If I'm the chairman of either one of those political sides, I'm calling media saying,
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Because the person that's going to win the 2020 election is the underdog.
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If the media wants to help seeing who wins the next election, you better produce an underdog
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If you don't, your next president in 2020 is going to be Donald Trump again.
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